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The West Wing, Season 7, Episode 8 (Patreon)

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Undecideds

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Yannick, from Montréal

Wow... How crazy that when there was an interview with a bystander saying the kid was trying to put his arms up without corroboration, "Doesn't matter... It's on The News, so it's true" is soooo far gone nowadays!

Pam Nail

- Kate giving Will a "do he got a booty" will never not be funny to me. The camera is so clearly on his ass, Kate is so clearly staring, and CJ so clearly noticed. - So glad for the Josh and Toby scenes, especially Josh coming back. Donna said it years ago, Josh doesn't leave people. And I'm also so glad you remembered that Bartlet had to be talked into running. It's the classic "are people born great or do they have greatness thrust upon them" question. - The writers room was famously split on Vinick and Santos. Lawrence O'Donnell (among others) was Team Vinick and whenever he wrote an episode, Vinick always had the edge. Eli Attie (among others) was Team Santos, and whenever he wrote an episode Santos came out on top. (This episode was written by Deborah Cahn, who tended to write for episodes more centered on Santos.)

trenton gragg

It is interesting to watch The Wire and The West Wing both do election storylines at the same time set in the mid-2000’s era of politics. Plus the Santos and Carcetti campaigns dealing with courting the black vote in the last two episodes.

Joy M

The actor who plays Vic (the groom) also played Skipper on Sex and the City. Skipper was even more pathetic.

Michael Bennett

This is an incredible episode, with high demands on all of the actors, and everyone gave an incredible performance. I get shivers every time I hear Oyaheya. And I hear "I got nothin!" from Jimmy Smits when I'm incredibly frustrated. The narratives for the show are always so beautifully laid out. Santos explodes in frustration because he can't do the impossible. Toby says he's not fit to be President because he needs to believe he can do the impossible. And then he has to rise to the occasion.

Cristy

I'm so happy to have Will back in The West Wing, he was hilarious this episode. We definitely needed that lightness because of the other heavy storylines. I hated them going to the deceased child's house it did feel gross and opportunistic as you said (even though we know how bad Santos felt about it). I am always so impressed that people can write such moving stuff like that speech in the church, it was brilliant and it made me love Santos that much more.

MrRuss50
>>176753168

I think the guys missed the "in service of your country son" line while laughing at Will holding the dresses.

Weird Magic

This episode was written by Deborah Cahn - the showrunner for The Diplomat on Netflix right now. You'll probably want to do other dramas before that one so it can settle in/finish (The Newsroom for example) but eventually it should be on your watch list as it is very much up your alley. Originally airing on December 4, 2005, 'Undecideds' is Episode 8 of Season 7 of The West Wing. It is the 141st episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.0, placing it as the #13 ranked episode of this season and #78 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Paul T Hewes
>>176806488

The Diplomat is FANTASTIC. I hope they consider watching it. Kerri Russel is SO good in there.

Youtalkingtome
>>176741225

I wouldn't mind Kate and Will having a little bit of a thing! Interesting that the writers split on both candidates.

Danielle

I think we already know how Vinnick would answer this question; it's so rote that you already said it. He would do the thoughts and prayers but the cop was doing his job. I think it's beyond that Santos is Latino and Vinnick is white; Santos is a Democrat and as they said before you really can't win in Democratic politics without the Black vote and the fact that Santos is Latino already compromises that black vote because there is historic and longstanding tensions in the black-brown communities (particularly on the coasts) for decades. So Vinnick really didn't need to respond to this at the same level because a.) he's courting the white vote and loses nothing on standing with the side of the cops but acknowledging the tragedy and b.) he's a Republican and he stands to gain or lose nothing in his response. Santos, on the other hand, does since a.) he needs the black vote B.) he's Latino and so was the cop and c.) he's a minority, who while running on a Democratic campaign and will appeal to some liberal white voters, has to win undecideds more so than Vinnick because he's already different. This is true for Santos and was true for Obama; although I always wonder the rationale for an interracial marriage (with a white partner) while not touching on it because in some ways, it makes Santos more appealing to certain kinds of voters and less appealing to others than Obama was with a wife of his same race. I think we get more time with Santos because of the core characters; Josh is his campaign manager and Leo is his running mate and Annabeth is his coordinator and Donna is on the staff. I don't think there's a real bias in the writing but I think there's some lopsidedness to who we spend time with at least initially since for wide swaths of Santos' storyline was and is actually Josh's storyline.