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Andor, Season 2, Episode 8 - Uncut Version (Patreon)

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2026-09-04 22:22:01
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Yannick, from Montréal

Ouhhhhhh This is the beginning of the roller coaster that is the end of Andor Season 2. Just get your seatbelts well strapped, and enjoy!

Yannick, from Montréal

Loved your "Neutral Good" call for Syril. But I would say he's almost more "Lawful Neutral", meaning he's much more attracted to a structure to follow, but can lean Good or Evil depending on the events. ;-)

Neill Shaughness

My favorite character arc in all of SW is Syril Karn's. I love that he was lowering his blaster just when he gets shot in the head. The tragic story of a man who figures out he is on the wrong side seconds too late.

Neill Shaughness

As the force is concerned, I think they learned their lesson with the midichlorians in episode 1 and avoid clinical specificity in favor of more vague, spiritual rules that are much more subject to interpretation

Kristi Govertsen

This three episode arc happened to drop the week our own military had been deployed to LA. After this episode, I threw up and then sobbed for hours. It was several days before I could finally sit down and watch the third episode in the arc. It’s a horrific but important episode—they did not pull their punches on the evil of fascism with this one.

trenton gragg

The “Who are you?” scene, with Cassian and Syril, has always reminded me of the Don and Ginsberg “I think about you at all” elevator scene from Mad Men.

Suzanne Whyte

I’m not defending Dedra, she’s a terrible person who is willing to do evil things but I do think part of her freak out at the end was due to her role in the massacre in addition to her upset about Cyril. It’s one thing for her to come up with the plan to kill the Ghormans, it’s another thing entirely to be the person on the ground ordering soldiers to open fire on civilians. She is tough to read but she did seem more hesitant than the psychopathic head soldier. I’m viewing her actions compared to when she was in Ferrix torturing Bix and she took a certain amount of pleasure and satisfaction in it. In Ghorman I didn’t see that.

Mathilde

I also think she was shaken by Syril grabbing her by the throat and by realizing that she's just a puppet there to relay orders for the massacre. Both strip her of agency and power, and she's faced with the fact that she no longer has allies, she is losing her usefulness and she's much more vulnerable than she thought.

Chris

I think this is right--I've seen Gilroy describe Syril as a Romantic--in that he's a guy who dreams of giving himself fully over to a cause. Tragically, he grew up in a house with a domineering mother who has space Fox News on all day, so the cause he grew up with was the Empire. Not that it excuses him--but it does help illustrate how contingent things can be.

Michael Bennett

Yeah, there was a strong connection with current events with this episode, and the writers didn't plan it that way, it's just what was happening. I was fully in tears for the second half of the episode and just broke down and ugly cried when the credits music started.

Michael Bennett

I thought I'd have more to say about this one, but... the episode speaks for itself. I guess the one thing I can address is the weight of everything finally falling on Dedra. She's pleading with Syril to try to justify things... as much to herself, as to him, I think. "They're doing this, no matter what" -- but this was *your* plan, Dedra. They did it in this particular way because of you. Fitting that there was a personal loss for her, at least as personal as she's capable of.

Kevin Biever

This is a phenomenal episode, one of the best in a show filled with great episodes. It still makes me emotional every time I rewatch it. I really hope you rewatch Rogue One at the end of this, it truly is the finale of this show.

Neill Shaughness

I think Dedra always existed in a theoretical world before this episode. The Rebellion was simply data, and she embraced Partagaz' clinical attitude until she came face to face with the carnage she wrought.

D Gyre

I hard disagree about Syril. He's an authoritarian to his core. He doesn't like order or rules to try to do good things for people. Yes the faithful should be rewarded, but part of the 'good guys' being good is defined by othering some group of people as that danger he is valiant protecting from. Remember, Syril DID NOT CARE about the details of how the corpos were murdered, or any bad things they were doing. The fact that corpo authority was challenged by two corpo security officers being killed was all that mattered, their corruption was irrelevant. It is something that they aren't excplicit about, but there are multiple times where he shows the only reason he cares about law and order is for imposing it, not to empower the populace. Even here, in the middle of all of this, as soon as he sees Andor he doesn't stop to think of he was wrong, if this means he should rethink his assumptions. No, instead of owning up he pins all his rage and blame on Andor to make sense of it all. without fundamentally breaking Cyril to his core so he is a completely different person, he will always want to use the Law to Rule, not Rule by the Law.

D Gyre

Jedi actively wield the force at times. Chirrut gives himself over to it and is wielded by the force. He's definitely sensitive, but its more he just surrenders himself and follow a natural flow....

Neill Shaughness

Luthen isn't really a leader. Remember in the last episode the guys at Yavin didn't approve of Cassian running off to pull mission for Luthen. Even Vel says "we're not Luthen's puppets running around Aldani anymore". Cassian's loyalty to Luthen is unusual. Luthen is more of a link than a leader, getting leaders of different rebel cells to talk to one another.

Alex von Hochtritt

I agree - before this very day, her whole job was very sanitized and clinical and cold and DISTANT. And suddenly, the weight of her absolute fanatical loyalty to the Empire falls on her head. Not just Syril's fury at her, or his death - but she *gave the order* that started the massacre, and I think she was unprepared for what that would actually mean. She's absolutely a bad person - but this was a horrifying shocking wake-up event for her.

Alex von Hochtritt

Go back and listen to the music in every episode on Ghor. The anthem is a leitmotif that plays frequently - slowly, or faintly, but ever-present. Watching your reaction to this episode is the only other time I've been able to watch it. It's too real, too close, extremely triggering for me. Tony Gilroy built the whole plaza, hired hundreds of extras, and then managed that entire enormous horror. It's brilliant, and almost unbearable.

Pam Nail

"Who are you?" Damn. The Ghorman rebel leader may have delivered the kill shot, but Cassian straight up murdered Syril without even realizing it.

D Gyre

It certainly could be because of his upbringing, but I also think for him the very *nature* of the cause is one that requires the enemy to be inherently bad and his side inherently righteous (which is why he does get affected here). We never get to hear him talk about the republic or democracy to truly get his feelings, but I don't get the sense that, even in needing a cause to fight for, he would fight for peoples democratic rights, that he thinks a government of the people would bring the order and justice required. Its not that he's fighting for a cause he thinks is just and ooops, his birth means he thinks the wrong cause is just. Its that his very perception, his understanding of what is just, is warped. My guess is he would see those as foolish and naive, that in the "real" world there are evils like Andor around every corner, and so you need an empire, you need an authoritarian power structure, to fight that cause. So lean more lawful evil for him, because at the end of the day I believe he'd always fight to prevent civil liberties and democratic institutions. But that absolutely could be because of how he was raised.

Paul T Hewes

-Syril was a simp for power. A simp for authority. -This was based on a number of massacres, with the radio broadcasts paralleling Eastern Europeans crying for help when the Soviets took over by force after WW2. -in the fight between Cassian and Syril, once Cassian got past the shock of the attack, he kicked the crap out of Syril. He had him down before the grenade blast.

D Gyre

Exactly. ultimately not for justice, not for an ideal, but for power and authority.

Roland

I want to see Wilmon's actor and the concierge's actor in everything from now on, two amazingly nuanced performances.

Neill Shaughness

My read on Syril is that (because of his upbringing) he never questioned why authority exists in the first place. He's so determined to win the favor of the people in power that it never occurred to him that they may not deserve that power. He just goes along with the program and doesn't think twice. He believes in following the rules without question because on some level he can't imagine the rules could be wrong. I do think the Ghorman massacre was breaking through this outlook. He is a bad person who did bad things and deserves what happens to him, but it is interesting to imagine where he might have ended up had he survived the Ghorman showdown. I've rewatched this episode many times and he is definitely lowering the blaster right before he does. What is going through his head at that moment we will never know, but I don't think it's impossible that he was experiencing a moment of clarity. The reason I feel these specifics are important is that I think the world is full of people who believe they are good people, who even want to be good people, but they are really just rule followers that never question the rules. It's the banality of fascism personified. The lesson is lost if we dismiss Syril's choices as ones made out of hate. The point is if your morality is only based in following the directives of those in more powerful positions (something many people do and don't realize) then your morality isn't worth much. I do think Syril desired on some level to be a good person. He just had a completely fucked barometer and because of it he hurt people and got himself killed. As opposed to Dedra who saw the world in hyper darwinistic terms and justified every choice she made as survival of the most ruthless.

dys

I think Syril is someone who strongly believed in *justice*, but his understanding of what justice is hewed too closely to what the law says. He takes it as an axiom that the laws of the Empire are correct and just and when he sees his superiors sweep things under the rug he has righteous outrage, but he also could not ignore abuses like what happened on Ghorman that were beyond the letter of the law. As you guys said, he is not a villain... but tragically, his realization of what was really happening on Ghorman didn't just make him forget his vendetta towards Cassian. Dedra, on the other hand, I think is all about *effectiveness*, in her first few episodes I found her relatively likeable because she was effective surrounded by layers of bureaucratic incompetence, you guys picked up on her being actually evil before I did, it was really only the episode in season 1 where she tortures Bix that switched my take from "the Empire is evil but she just wants things to be efficient" to "she wants things to be efficient and she has no ceiling on how evil she can be to make that happen".

micah

captain kaido: an evil evil man...brilliantly acted lol

Carl Wilson

What an episode. You guys are a little too sweetly optimistic about the fallout from this massacre. Empires do a lot of massacres. America unfortunately included sometimes. It does not automatically lead to their fall. They do coverups and keep the truth from getting out - the story that Ghorman insurgents and outside agitators murdered soldiers who unfortunately had to defend themselves, that's a pretty well-constructed coverup. It takes a long process for everyone to stop believing in the power structure, and even after that - as in the Soviet Union after the Stalin revelations in 1956, for instance - it can take years, decades, more for that power structure to weaken enough to fall.

Lola Lirola

Syril got sent to catch external agitators, only to realize the external agitators were themselves.

Lola Lirola

I don't think they ever met face to face, right? (maybe, I don't remember if they did in the first season) Like, this was all one-sided for Syril, right? He just got the identification that it was Andor, and followed that like a stubborn terrier, but Andor just knew that "they" were after him, but never got to even know Syril as the antagonist, did he? So ironic, in that Alanis Morrisette way.

Lola Lirola

I know they said they're for sure going to rewatch it, I hope they *upload* it so we can join in the fun! I haven't rewatched Rogue One since Andor came out either, and I'd love to see it with this new perspective, because holy shit, this show is the best thing Star Wars has ever done since 1983

Suzanne Whyte

Do we ever see Cyril treat anyone with kindness or do a good act in the entire show? When he was looking for Cassian in Ferrix he threatened Marva and B2. When he was confronted by the older Ghorman guy he manhandled him and pushed him to the ground. When he finally realised the Ghormans were being slaughtered did he try to actually help anyone? He might not have been on board with what happened on Ghorman but he wasn’t a good guy.

Lola Lirola

Syril, you will be missed. Just think, if his planet had had a Musical Theater program for kids where he could have discovered himself, all of this could have been avoided. Joking aside, what an impactful episode. And how horrific it all is. I am from the first generation of babies born in democracy in my country (we had a fascist dictatorship here in Spain until 1975, my parents got married and had me right after Franco died), and I grew up with my whole family having stories from the Civil War. It gets so messy. That's why I think Syril's character is so impactful. As many others have already commented, his exceeding sense of "justice" and "lawfulness" just got channeled into evil by the circumstances of his life. And, in a parallel way, so is Cassian, who is now a Rebel leader because he kept looking for his sister after the Empire fucked up his home planet. And that's how it goes. Someone in my family joined the side he fought for simply because the other side killed his brother in battle. Someone else in my family got seized just because a neighbour heard him talk shit about the regime at the local café. An entire branch of my family lives in America now, because a cousin fled immediately. The Nativity figures we have at home were passed on by a relative who had to escape her convent getting burned and grabbed what she could carry. People joined sides based on ideology, definitely, but a not-insignificant part of it was this: territorial pissings, family feuds, feelings of fairness and revenge getting out of hand, and public opinion getting manipulated and escalated deliberately. It's tough. This show is so realistic, even with the droids and the flying spaceships, it's all so real.

GDF

Very tough episode to watch. I love that the "Rebellions are built on hope" through line through Rogue One came from Cassian never forgetting that one small Hotel concierge from Ghorman who decided to take a stand all the way until the end. "We are the Ghor!"

Roland

Well she certainly found her ceiling.

Roland

Why wasn't his determination to investigate the murder of two colleagues a 'good' act? (I mean, his Inspector laid out all the reasons the victims made life riskier for themselves, but he was nonetheless advocating a cover-up).

Kristi Govertsen

And the end credits of this episode with the lone child singing a sad and haunting version of the Ghor anthem. It’s heart shattering.😢

Suzanne Whyte

When the Ghormans start singing in the plaza i get chills every time. It makes me think about how powerful music can be.

D Gyre

Because he wasn't investigating the truth, he was investigating who they could punish. We don't fully see that until later, yes. But it is still made clear he isn't trying to find out what happened (especially after being presented with the possibility the corpos could be at fault), he just wants to punish.

Suzanne Whyte

Cassian put a gun to Cyril’s head when Cyril tried to arrest him on Ferrix but Cassian was stood behind him and didn’t really see his face. It was only a brief encounter though.

Paul T Hewes

Also, Joe and Kevin, its important before you watch the next episode that you burn into your memory that Lonni's last name is Jung (Pronounced "young"). Lonni Jung.

Jesse

Syril is lawful evil or lawful neutral at best, I think saying he was good anything is a stretch.

Youtalkingtome

I mean really! It's really sad and the "who are you?" is actually quite funny in a very dark way

Youtalkingtome

Absolutely. It really is the perfect show for what's happening today

Youtalkingtome

I'm glad that we got that moment with her. I do think that was regarding Cyril but the fact that this monster can break is a very good moment

Youtalkingtome

I'm just going off of what we know in the universe of Star Wars. I know we are approaching the end of the series and by the time the film starts the empire is just openly evil