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The West Wing, Season 2, Episode 14 (Patreon)

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The War At Home

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The West Wing, Season 2, Episode 14

The War At Home

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EVKK15

Hi! Is more Succession coming soon?

Martin Nicholls

I think you're going to find as you get deeper into this show it's predictive of quite a few pretty wild things. It's kinda funny, you listen to Bartlet and Leo talking about Vietnam and how that's aged, you *know* that if he's seen this Putin didn't get the object lesson of that discussion.

Pam Nail

"I'm in some hellish hold world of holding" is something I regularly say when I'm on hold. That scene with Abby and Jed where they finally have it out is maybe my favorite scene between them in the whole show. Because at the end of the day, she isn't just the First Lady; she's his wife, and she's scared to death for him and what the job could do to him. I also really love that last scene with the caskets coming off the plane, especially that the Asst. Sec. of State is there with the President -- even though he disagreed with the action taken (or at least that it was taken so soon).

Jeff

I love your reactions and discussions of West Wing, because you're both noticing things I missed when I first watched it twenty years ago. Without spoiling anything, I want to suggest that when you're watching episode 17, pay very close attention to every detail. There's so much information thrown at you in that one hour, so you'll need to stay focused on all the political issues to really follow where it leads into the following episode. You might even want to watch episodes 17 and 18 in one sitting. You two already grasp this show far better than I ever did, but I wanted to give you a heads up.

Martin Nicholls
>>109774550

The Mickey Troop thing at the end could be taken several different ways, but I like to think he's being professional. There's some great face acting from Martin Sheen in that scene - he doesn't really do or say anything but you absolutely feel what he's going through.. It'd be so easy to completely overact, but he absolutely nails it.

Skinny_Obelix

The Belgian government just did a trade with Iran where a they traded an Iranian terrorist for a human aid worker Iran imprisoned and tortured. And all I can say is that I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make these decisions. I know it's probably not a good thing to do for the safety of anyone in the future, but man, knowing you're leaving someone innocent (not even a soldier or informant) to die must be impossible to deal with, yet I still feel you have to do it. We can only hope that Belgium being such a small country doesn't open up that can of worms for other countries.

Balazs Foldes

I agree with you SO MUCH about your observations and analysis, thank you, I enjoy your remarks very much. I think this episode was full of wonderful acting, incredible directing and photography (framing, light&shadow, when to focus on frames, everything). And, of course, it's written brilliantly, both in macro terms (story lines, plot twists, main events) and micro terms (dialogues, wordings). The whole Columbia-plot was very well crafted, showing so many sides of this horribly, multi-headed hydra of an issue. As you said, having the writing discipline of showing the political aspects only, and not showing action scenes - exceptional. One of my favorite smaller things: when Bartlet hears about the death of the deltas, and he runs out to the portico (is that a portico?), and has his very emotional monologue. It's played brilliantly. But: the idea of Bartlet using a joke when crying out in desperation! (something like 'a trick so sophisticated it's a whole generation beyond "look, your shoe laces are untied"'). It makes it realistic, and so few writers would think about it. But it's real for someone like him, someone used to public speaking: he would use black humour and allegories even when totally stressed out. It shows how upset he is, how outraged he is, and works. If I ever had to write anything like that, I'm sure I wouldn't think of using a joke, or anything like that. Well, I'm no Sorkin, for sure.

jimmy2k4o .

You said a lesser show would cut to the action in the jungle etc How right you are. When Sorkin submitted his script for the pilot to WB, they gave him notes like “it’s all just people talking, nobody is doing anything, we don’t see anything”. The pilot had a subplot about Cubans coming to Florida, And sorkin really says that he felt NBC wouldn’t be satisfied until the episode ended with Toby and Josh in a skiff trying to save refugees. He might even have said an exec suggested it….

jimmy2k4o .

Actually it was common practice not to record coffins of soldiers being returned home, out of respect, like why you don’t take photos at funerals, until Vietnam. Ironically the reason it started was the same reason it ended, to manipulate public opinion. I learned that from the west wing! Though I agree they should be shown because people who support war should see the real consequences, and soldiers who have given their lives deserve their sacrifice to be publicized.

Weird Magic
>>109800064

Darned if you do, darned if you don't. One of those issues that doesn't have a right answer.

Weird Magic

Originally airing on February 14, 2001, 'The War at Home' is Episode 14 of Season 2 of The West Wing. It is the 36th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.4, placing it as the #13 ranked episode of this season and #19 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Devon Cooper

I just love how you guys really evaluate the episodes. As a huge WW fan, I appreciate it and your journey is JUST beginning!!!

Taylor

I’ve worked on multiple political campaigns and within government (a lot of that was due to this show’s influence), and I’ve used that quote Joey says about leaders following their people - instead of actually leading - multiple times. Today’s political process is so strongly centered around who is yelling the loudest that it can be easy to forget that every great progressive movement in this country began as the minority opinion. While this show is often an idealized version of the political process, I can tell you those conversations about what priorities to throw your weight behind really do occur. It can be hard to fight for something that does not yet have full support, but if you feel strongly about it, it’s almost always worth the initial defeat.

Sarah P

Curious — when you guys do your Schitt’s Creek/West Wing recording day, which do you watch first? Is it fixed, or does it depend on the individual episode, like if it’s a finale of one of them?

Youtalkingtome
>>109794973

Sorkin really is a genius. So much so that whatever project he has, I have nothing but faith that it is going to be amazing. Only a genius can craft a show this brilliant.

Youtalkingtome
>>109799513

See that's what i'm saying. Executives are not filmmakers. They are great with numbers and putting people together but with a trusted filmmaker who has a vision, that's when you're cooking with gas.

Youtalkingtome
>>109825169

Very well said. Mudslinging is more common now than it ever has been and honestly I love that this show is so idealized it gives me hope and distracts me from the real world.

Michele B.

Next is Ellie - my all time favorite. And its a little lighter, more laughs.

Luca Siracusa (Bob)

This episode is beyond logic: it's such an incredible and superb work of acting from Martin Sheen and we could say that for every episode, but this one is really one of its finest acting in the show The whole monologue outside or the image of him tearing up seeing the soldiers being brought back. Him struggling with his relationship with Abbey, his incredible way of putting jokes or very angry ideas not because he wants to change the mood but because he is SO uncomfortable to work around military Two episodes in this series of ten and we could all call it a wrap and be happy, but we don't. It's time to move forward again