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Mad Men, Season 3, Episode 12 (Patreon)

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The Grown-Ups

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Mad Men, Season 3, Episode 12

The Grown-Ups

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Actuarial Lurker

You are finally hitting the meat of this series...JFK's death is shown for how it disrupted American society and tears off the veneer. The people are acting like children and the episode is called The Grown Ups since the country "grew up" after being confronted with ugly reality

Actuarial Lurker

So I am watching you react to watching a bunch of fictional characters who are watching an event in our world that was in theirs...brilliant writing where the TV News acts as a large portion of the script and we get to see a multifaceted reaction to what was a world-view shattering event

Actuarial Lurker

Yes- the writing is done to make us hate Duck, The actor is Mark Moses. He was Capt. Henry Archer's father in the Start Trek Enterprise series, He was in Platoon, Born on the 4th of July,

Ben Clifford

She was pregnant with Gene when she met Henry.

Actuarial Lurker

When Betty and Henry had apple pie with cheese on it Henry said he had a college job moving furniture similar to the fainting couch implying he had a blue-collar background. He dd say he was an attorney as well in some of the exchanges- so is self-made like Don and Roger would know him for being part of the Rockefeller Republican political machine

Actuarial Lurker

From the timeline, Baby Gene was conceived on the day that Betty and Don had sex for that one day while visiting her father while they were still separated

heheheheheh

Gene is definitely Don's son. He was conceived at Betty's father's house. I feel like you guys are being a bit too harsh on Betty. Don literally lied about who he is. He was emotionally unavailable, sometimes borderline violent, dismissive, and had multiple affairs, probably more than we saw on the screen. Betty is a lot of things, but I think there is no way that they are equal in this and I thonk she has the right to look for a way out - getting a divorce and remarrying is her only exit. I'm a woman btw so maybe I empathize with her more. And I agree, this is the best written show ever (maybe The Wire also comes close?).

heheheheheh

I don't think Betty and Don had the emotional maturity to talk about these things in that way like you guys are describing. This was different times after all. I don't think couples therapy as a concept even existed.

Actuarial Lurker
>>115502356

I'm male and agree that there is a bit of misogyny (to say the least) in The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, and Mad Men where Carmella, Betty and Skyler are all portrayed as being "bitchy" when they were married to philanderers who in the case of two of these were also violent sociopaths

Chris
>>115500413

Yes, and she finds out she’s pregnant at the start of the season 2 finale, before she has sex with that guy in the bar and before she meets Henry.

Weird Magic

Joe - "How do you follow this up?" Matthew Weiner - "Hold my beer" Originally airing on November 1, 2009, 'The Grown-Ups' is Episode 12 of Season 3 of Mad Men. It is the 38th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.9, placing it as the #4 ranked episode of this season and #5 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Brian Harris

Mad Men is #3 all time for me, behind The Sopranos and The Wire. I think those three shows, with now twenty years of retrospect, are not just great television, they’re pantheon filmmaking. And I don’t think anything, even Breaking Bad, gets close to them. I think you guys have said before you haven’t watched either The Sopranos or The Wire. I would definitely put them on your prestige list for this channel. Not to be missed.

agiron3

i think you are so hard on betty this is a comment from youtube fyi not mine from @eduardarcc but is totally true I watched the show many times and have so much to say about Betty, but it can be done without spoiling the whole thing, so for now I would just say this: since the begining of the show she's clearly depressed, mourning her mother recent death, trapped at home "outnumbered" by her children and being the only parent entirely responsible for her children - the few times she leaves the kids with Don he either dumps them with Francine or something happens to them (Bob gets hurt in the stove and Sally gets drunk in the office). After being told about Don´s infidelity, Betty stayed in her mariage mostly for her kids and because she got preagneant unexpectedly and was talked off having an abortion. On top of that, she lost her father and now has a newborn, so I don't think is fair to say the nanny is raising their children. Karla does take care of the house and the kids day to day activities, which seems normal for rich people at the time, but Betty is still very much involved in the kids life and is the only one disciplining them. As a feminist, i would say that instead of comparing her to other mothers (mostlikely in other stories, since there isn't really another one we could compare her to in the show), we should compare her to Don, who has no responsibilites with anything regarding the house or his family, no emotional responsibilite (to Betty or the other women) and does none of the emotional labor in the relationship - but is the one you praise on his parenting "when he is home", even though betty is the one always there - "must be nice, needing time and just taking it, all on your onw terms, not wondering what anybody thinks, me, the children..."

Youtalkingtome
>>115551609

We get that. However, when we do see Betty with the kids it's mostly her being angry with them or scolding them. Don is caring to the kids. Is he an absent father? Absolutely. We try to hold Don to the fire as well. Just because we are rooting for him doesn't mean we condone his actions. These are two unhappy people who should be divorced. Betty is not Don. For her to act like him isn't right either. Two wrongs do not make a right. She did get even with him and yes he was terrible to her. The self righteous attitude she carries is frankly just annoying. I feel like the show has gone out of its way to show you that she is not likable nor is she supposed to be. You can have empathy for her like any other character, but she's not the good guy here.

CB

Betty may be the neglected, cheated on, long suffering wife, but she is also a poor mother with very few maternal instincts and an immature, spoiled and childish person. Both things can be true; she is a victim, but she is not sympathetic. Fair or not, Betty has been made into an unlikable character at this point. She doesn't have Don's charisma to balance out her shortcomings. Also, Betty had recently found out she was pregnant when she had the revenge sex with the guy at the bar, so Don is definitely Gene's father.

sam bristow

I’m currently on roughly my 10th viewing of this series. It’s definitely my GOAT. After repeat viewings I’ve definitely gotten more sympathetic towards Betty. I know you guys mentioned it before but I definitely compare the audience attitude towards her to Skyler White. (Skyler was a much nicer person though) Betty cheating on Don is like comparing Michael Jordan to a YMCA regular. I guess she hypocritical, but I get it. I also feel like her mothering skills deteriorated as a side effect of her relationship with Don crumbling. Love the reactions FYI, I’ve joined because of this show. ❤️

sam bristow

Mad Men , True Detective (season 1 of course , and Breaking Bad are my top 3. I’d love you guys to react to TD season 1)

Youtalkingtome
>>115613596

Gotcha, thanks to everyone clearing up the pregnancy for us. You're right. Also we didn't think that our opinion on Betty would be so controversial. We recognize that misogyny is very common on the internet and especially in toxic fandom. We do not want to come off that way when we criticize her character so thank you for helping us point out her flaws.

Youtalkingtome
>>115617350

Thanks for joining! We are glad you're here. This is our first watch through and it's already our favorite show!

ChloeGameDev

Betty's justifications for divorcing Don go way beyond infidelity: his callousness toward her after her mother died and her subsequent mental health problems, shaming her for being desirable to other men (Roger coming onto her, then again after she buys the bikini at the auction that Don bailed on to try and sleep with Bobbi), domestic violence (3 instances in "Three Sundays"), getting drunk and disappearing on Sally's birthday, and of course, hiding his identity from her and presumably making her an accessory after the fact to his desertion and identity theft. But ultimately, I think it really comes down to what Betty said previously: "You lied to me every day." If you look back at the events of season 3, it's basically just one long barrage of disillusionment for Betty, despite her various efforts to rekindle her love for Don (like deciding to go to Rome with him). After not just her dad but also the president dies, I think it finally clicks for her that nothing is sacred, and to your point about her not being a grownup, it's these destabilizing events that spur her to grow somewhat as a person (don't hold your breath for Don's growth, lol). Maybe she should've acted earlier but as you'll see, getting divorced was a massive pain in the ass, logistically and socially, so it's reasonable that she, as a woman in the '60s, held out until someone like Henry came along ("when you have no power, you have to delay things").

Youtalkingtome
>>115653431

This is a brilliant take. It finally all clicks for her. She has every single right to leave his ass! That makes that line so much more brilliant!

Yannick Denis-Trudel

Love that you're loving this show.... and (no spoilers!), the NEXT episode is top 3 (if not the best) episode of the Series! Hold on to your socks, fellas!

Paul T Hewes

Duck is to be hated for what he did to Chauncy. Anything else he did is just childs play.

Youtalkingtome
>>115942135

That was the moment I wanted his character dead. Chauncy had the sweetest face. As a dog dad, I live for Duck Phillips downfall.