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The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, Season 3, Episode 8 (Patreon)

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A Jewish Girl Walks Into the Apollo...

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The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, Season 3, Episode 8

A Jewish Girl Walks Into the Apollo...

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Mithroch

Two of Midges jokes were over the line IMO. The man for everything bit and the Judy Garland bit. Everything else could be played off as effeminate... but those were both pretty clearly insinuating a that Shy is gay.

Aaron

I think Midge crossed the line on a personal level. You have to remember that he opened up to her, and shared his secret. I can tell you from my own experience, that coming out to someone you consider a friend, and then they make a joke about that secret to other people, even if it was more in code or the audience thought it was about being a diva, that shit feels like a personal betrayal of friendship and trust. Besides the jokes, you’ve gotta understand, The first state to decriminalize homosexuality was Illinois in 1962. Stonewall didn’t even happen till 1969. He was a gay, black man, one wrong move and his whole career could’ve been done. I don’t think it was an overreaction whatsoever. I would’ve fired her too.

Brian Harris

I’m probably in the minority here, but Midge deserved to be fired. What she did was dumb … but also 100% in character. We love Midge because she’s funny and smart and takes risks, but she’s also privileged as hell. She did not once stop to think about how hinting around Shy’s homosexuality might impact his career or his life. You guys brought up Liberace, but Liberace wasn’t Black. That’s a massive difference. Shy is a Black entertainer living right on the cusp of the civil rights movement. There are many Americans who will resent his existence in popular culture at all just on that score. Add in his homosexuality, and his life becomes twice as dangerous as it already is. Midge doesn’t understand this. She grew up thirty blocks and still a world away from Harlem, let alone the places where Shy can be beaten to death for being who he is. Maybe her intellect knows it, but your intellect isn’t working when you’re onstage, everything is coming from the gut. Midge’s greatest advantage is she can’t hide who she is onstage, and she showed us that at the Apollo too: she’s a rich, sheltered white girl from Midtown. That’s not all she is, but it’s who she was that night. There’s also the thorny issue of homophobia in the Black community, the community that Shy relies on not just for ticket sales but for authentic spiritual support. To be honest, I think that’s REALLY why Shy is so pissed. My brother can make fun of me and he’s still my brother, and you can make fun of me and you’re still my friend, but if you make fun of me TO my brother? That’s another story. It’s one of the best plot twists I’ve ever seen on TV because it sort of effortlessly tangles all these complex, inarticulate fault lines: race, sexual orientation, wealth, hubris, image, ambition, power, the boundaries of an artist’s work, it all explodes in Midge’s face in a twenty-minute set at the Apollo. And she doesn’t even really realize why. For my money, Season 4 is the weakest season, although it’s still pretty great by any reasonable metric. Season 5 is terrific, and takes some pretty risky swings narratively that end up landing. Another unpopular sentiment, but I think the finale is perfect.

Weird Magic

A) J&K know this better than I do - how did they do the scene in the barber shop with all the mirrors? I was fully expecting to see a steady cam as they panned thru there - maybe green screen mirrors? B) Original watch - was stumped by Shy's actions, but I'm not a gay black man in the early 60's so accepted it as plausible. Now that I'm rewatching, I have a different take (still not a gay black man in the 60's :) ). The talk with Midge and Benjamin (I think) foreshadowed the ending - Midge talking about how she talks about her life, everything, that's how she works. I think Shy recognized that not only did she get close to the line, but if he keeps her on she will continue to talk about her life, which for the next few months is....Shy...and he for his own career he couldn't let her continue to be on the inside with a mouthpiece to the outside. Maybe I'm stretching and giving Shy more credit than a reactionary firing, but these are characters and not real people so I'm making my own narrative :) Originally airing on December 6, 2019, 'A Jewish Girl Walks Into the Apollo…' is Episode 8 of Season 3 of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. It is the 26th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.8, placing it as the #1 ranked episode of this season and #5 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Weird Magic

2020 Primetime Emmy Awards - 2nd most nominations (20) Watchmen had 26 WINS Schitt's Creek won E V E R Y T H I N G :) NOMINATIONS (Winner) Comedy Series (Schitt's Creek) Lead Actress - Rachel Brosnahan (Catherine O'Hara) Supporting Actor - Sterling K. Brown (Dan Levy) Supporting Actor - Tony Shalhoub (Dan Levy) Supporting Actress - Alex Borstein (Annie Murphy) Supporting Actress - Marin Hinkle (Annie Murphy) Directing - Amy Sherman-Palladino "It's Comedy or Cabbage" (Schitt's Creek "Happy Ending") Directing - Daniel Palladino "Marvelous Radio" (Schitt's Creek "Happy Ending")

Roland Cooke

I don't think Midge crossed a line content-wise. Of course Shy wears Judy Garland shoes, he wears them onstage in front of thousands of people every night. Susie thought Midge crossed a line, but she wasn't there at the performance. I don't think Reggie thought that Midge crossed a line, content-wise either. But none of that matters. Shy opened up to Midge on the yacht, she's maybe one of a half-dozen people in the world to be within that inner circle of trust. "Judy Garland shoes" was more than enough to break that trust. From what I could tell, Reggie wasn't angry (as he would have been if Midge had risked the commercial damage of Shy getting outed), instead I think that Reggie was _sad_, but understood what had to happen, which is why he spent time consoling Susie.

Roland Cooke
>>126379711

So @ Kevin & Joe - since you have watched both of these shows very recently - do you agree that Schitt's Creek was worthier? P.S. Watchmen was brilliant

Michelle Taylor

Northern Exposure was just released on prime. It was a great show. I think it would make a great show to react to. It is the first time streaming since it was first on TV IN 1990, so you would be the first to react to the show. Also Midnight Mass or The Haunting of Hill would be great reactions.

Henrique Jambu

yeah when i first watched this one i couldn't believe what midge was doing on stage! i cringed so hard it took me a while to finish the scene. to me it really wasn't about the audience picking up on it or not, it was personal to shy. from what i've seen online people in the 50s were obsessed with outing gay singers and actors and ruining their careers. i think it'd be even worse for shy as a black guy. so for him to see someone he considered enough to tell his secret, being so insensitive and reckless about something so important was the last straw for him. idk what happens in the next seasons but i really don't think shy's coming out, i really think this would ruin his career, it being the 60s!

TouchTheGarlic

Fun fact! Darius de Haas, the singing voice for Shy Baldwin, has a cameo in this episode as one of the gamblers in the Harlem barber shop - he's the bald guy with the mustache who has a couple of lines.

TouchTheGarlic

Another fun fact! As previously mentioned, show creator Amy Sherman-Palladino's father, Don Sherman, was a standup comic in New York in the 1960s. His biggest success came when he opened for Dinah Washington on tour... including at The Apollo! This season in general was inspired in large part by Amy's second-hand experience of that tour through her father.

TouchTheGarlic

A not-so-fun fact: the tap-dancing twins who we see on-stage at The Apollo are supposed to be real historical figures Gregory and Maurice Hines, the latter of whom passed away just over a week ago, on December 29, 2023.

TouchTheGarlic

I've never loved the decision to end this season on such a depressing note, especially given how long the gap wound up being. However, I do think that the set at The Apollo was pitch-perfect character writing. I 100% buy Midge doing that set and not thinking twice about it, and I 100% buy Shy thinking it was way over the line. I tend to side way more with Shy, given the historical context and my own life experiences, but I appreciate how it was designed to be morally gray to an extent.

Youtalkingtome
>>126363831

It was a huge oversight by her. She's so smart, how can she not realize she wasn't supposed to talk about that?

Youtalkingtome
>>126379243

That's a really good read. It's interesting that as she progresses through the show she becomes more conceded. It makes sense because she's a standup and she's literally selling herself on stage. Maybe that's why Rose compares it to prostitution? As far as the shot with all the mirrors. It's likely that it's CG, Otherwise it's a huge set and they are much farther away than they appear. Wild angles and good old fashioned movie magic.

Youtalkingtome
>>126379711

I don't know, I love them both so much. I think Maisel should have won. Schitt's Creek, is amazing though. I can't decide!

Youtalkingtome
>>126423845

It is morally ambiguous and it's just fantastic screenwriting and filmmaking. You understand Shy and why he is upset but also you know where Midge is coming from and you know she isn't a bad person.

Roland Cooke

There's a whole Amazon video about this episode, it's excellent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L17urNKitwk > Shooting at the iconic Apollo Theater made The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel Season 3 even more spectacular! We’ve partnered with Harlem's World Famous Apollo Theater for a three-part conversation piece, covering Comedy, Music and Dance. Directed by Leigh Silverman, participating talent include: Comedy conversation: Amy Sherman-Palladino, Daniel Palladino, Rachel Brosnahan (Midge Maisel), Wanda Sykes (Moms Mabley) Music conversation: Amy Sherman-Palladino, Daniel Palladino, Sterling K. Brown (Reggie), LeRoy McClain (Shy Baldwin), Darius de Haas (Shy Baldwin vocals) Dance conversation: Amy Sherman-Palladino, Daniel Palladino, Maisel choreographer Marguerite Derricks, legendary dancer Savion Glover and dancers Jaden and Ellis Foreman Brothers (Hines Brothers) <

Madison Dickson

I can’t wait for you both to get into season 4!! it’s a ride 😁

b

I think the reaction is due in equal parts to the precariousness of Shy's success as a Black and queer man whose image rests heavily on seeming available to women and to his choice to really, really trust Midge with his secrets (he hadn't told anyone his real name even, remember). Her talking about him at all was taken as a major breach in trust. I do feel really bad for Midge because I don't think it would've occurred to her to do it if Susie had been there/Reggie hadn't suggested it.

Youtalkingtome
>>130635317

That's so true. We can't be mad for him being upset but it was an extreme response. We do see where he was coming from though.