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Xavier P.O.V.

“What do you think he’s going to show us?” my cousin asks, she’s been excited for the entire family to take a trip. 

When Ajax invited the royal family to see something impressive without even giving a hint of what it might be, dad was already carefully optimistic but decided to trust Ajax so he was bringing the entire royal family for the event.

Not only that but we were going to arrive a few days earlier, with me, Anna and Benedict returning from Sylvanthal being the last they were waiting on and all of us were heading towards the Hearthbound duchy. 

“Nobody knows.” I answered, according to the royal spymaster, that was a fact. All anyone knew was that it had something to do with their new city built at the edge of the massive lake between the Empire and Gryndor. “Aurexion’s apparently been flying around and making sure nobody got too close.” 

“Honestly I was expecting him to have gained Space Mana.” my uncle joked as he tried to get a rise out of dad. “After taking that hammer I had assumed it wouldn’t take him all that long.” 

“Good chance he’s working on doing just that but I doubt he already learnt it.” Grandpa joined in, in the months since he passed the throne to father he’s had a lot more time to spend with me and my cousin, not to mention that he’s relaxed attitude took a while for us to get used to. “Even for him, getting a Legendary Mana type would take a while. Not to mention Manashaper would be shouting it from the rooftops if he even had a lead on a chance to gain Space Mana.” 

Anna just smiled as we all could imagine Duke Manashaper and how dedicated he was to his spell research. She gently stroked her bond’s golden fur, a pulse of Mana flashing as it pulled half a cupcake from thin air and started eating. I knew it was Space Mana but my [Sense Mana] couldn’t recognise it. Despite all the effort in my training I still had issues recognising different Mana types, not being able to do so could become a problem for me in the future since my style relied so heavily on predicting my opponent’s next move.

THUNK THUNK 

A small shake was the only sound and suddenly the carriage ride became smoother, with all the amenities the royal carriage had I could barely feel it but I now had enough Perception to feel us picking up speed. We had entered the Hearthbound duchy and we were on their roads.

From there it was only another few hours until we reached Lessis but we didn’t stop in the city. It was already evening so we made directly for House Hearthbound’s estate knowing that would be our accommodation for our stay. 

After so much time in the carriage I couldn’t wait to stretch my legs so once we stopped I was out the door in an instant with everyone else moving after me. Between the royal family, our escort, my friends and the few people their family sent there were easily fifty of us. 

“You made it.” The words didn’t come from the group of people waiting to receive us but instead they came from my left where I could see Ajax and Duke Manashaper approaching from. The sheen of sweat on Ajax’s forehead let me know they had been training, most likely with the hammer my uncle had mentioned on the way here. 

“What my intended means to say is that you honor us with your presence , Your Majesty.” Lexi interrupted Ajax with a polite bow. “And you are welcome to our hospitality.” 

My father answered the bow with a dip of his head but when he turned to Ajax both of the only exchanged a nod. It was Ajax’s prerogative as a pinnacle, he would soon be a king in his own right on equal footing with my father, at least in private in terms of standing. 

“Ajax it’s been far too long.” My uncle instantly made his way towards Ajax and Duke Manashaper eager to question them on their research and training. Anna, Benedict and myself trailing him as we were all interested in hearing about the same topic. “Where is Aurexion?” 

“He’s in the vault.” Ajax answered. “He’s still working on learning to shapeshift.” 

“Has he learned to do anything else besides changing his color?” I asked. 

“He had a breakthrough a few days ago and he can now change his size.” Ajax answered the pride and excitement for his bond’s success easy to hear in his voice. I knew Ajax was a little worried about how well Aurexion would be able to adapt to living in humanoid lands considering he was fully sapient unlike the other bonds but his draconic size made it an issue any time he even approached a city. 

For the next few minutes Ajax bragged about Aurexion’s ability to shrink himself to half his usual size, a real feat that allowed him to move through the halls much easier. One thing Ajax just about glossed over however was that he could also grow a third again as big if he wanted to. Considering that he couldn’t do that and change his color at the same time yet meant it probably took focus so it couldn’t be used in combat but the idea of Aurexion being able to enlarge himself was scary considering how powerful his body already was.

Ajax and his House led all of us inside where a feast was waiting for us. The atmosphere was festive but at the same time there was a tense undercurrent nobody could change. House Hearthbound had just about as good a relationship with the crown as it was possible and while Ajax and Lexi were both fine with the king sitting at their dinner table the rest of his family still had a way to go. 

Ajax’s brother, sister and parents were more a little stiff but nothing compared to his grandparents whose anxiousness could be felt. None of us blamed them until a decade ago they were middle level merchants in the capital and now they were having dinner with the king, not only that but it wasn’t an official dinner but a private one where a lot of the formality was being put to the side. 

“So what is it you wanted to show us?” Anna asked, she tried to slip in the question but we could all tell she was very interested.

“That’s a surprise.” Ajax answered with a smile. “You’ll have to wait until tomorrow at least when you can get a small peek at what you’ll see in a few days.” 

With that the topic of the surprise was left alone but there were plenty of other things to talk about. The integration of the former slaves from the Empire was the main one my father was interested in. 

With the Empire slowly working to release all of their slaves it was expected that the majority of them would go in one of two directions. They would either go and settle new territories as we expanded into the Wild Lands and another large portion of them would move to Gryndor. Moving to Gryndor and escaping the Empire had been a dream for many slaves and was the reason the border was so heavily watched by the Empire despite the good relation between the two countries in recent times. 

Silvia and Tom were more than happy to share their experiences with the integration of former slaves into their duchy. Tom even excused himself for a moment before he brought in reports that examined the issue deeply. They had information on the almost exclusively former slave city that had built itself around the quarry, about the small former slave villages that sprung up around Lessis as well as how the former slaves integrated when they chose to settle in already existing villages and cities.

The discussion covered all the topics but it was only a small overview of the situation, though father did ask that copies of those documents be made. Silvia promised him that copies would be made after any sensitive information regarding House Hearthbound was removed. This was the first time someone other than Ajax straight up refused a request from my father, a good show that the rest of Ajax’s family was settling in as a ducal House. 

Much to my chagrin the next day was mostly spent traveling towards the duchy's newest city. After days in a carriage I could handle one more, what made it harder however was the joyful screams of Ajax’s nephew as well as the two former slaves that Ajax handpicked from the Empire as they traveled in a small box carried by Aurexion. 

My first thoughts upon seeing the city in the distance was how different it was from any other city. The wall didn’t have the usual rock grid but instead it was one smooth surface and for a new city it was much too large. 

“We’re not going to the city?” Father asked as we turned away from the gate. 

“We still have a few hours of sunlight left so you can get a quick show of what we have to show you.” Lexi said as the carriage took a different road and approached the shore of the lake a few miles away from the city and towards the forest.

As we got a little deeper into the woods we saw the entrance to a building that seemed to have been built underground similar to the dwarven style and a few boats on the shore of the lake. So far nothing seemed out of the ordinary except perhaps the missing fishing roads on the boats.

“What are those?” my grandfather asked as he pointed towards the lake. 

Comments

userunfriendly

TFTC! 🐉🐲🪓🔨 When Ajax invited the royal family to see something impressive without even giving a hint of what…but decided to trust Ajax so he was bringing the entire royal family for the event. This is either gonna turn out great, or go badly wrong…knowing Ajax, BOTH. 🙄🙄 All anyone knew was that it had something to do with their new city built at the edge of the massive lake between the Empire and Gryndor. It’s sorta like…cultural blindness. Humanoid nations are locked into the middle of the forbidding Wild Lands, without a major body of water, (except of course this lake) so because they’re not aware waterborne commerce is possible, they just don’t think of it. 🤔🤔 “Good chance he’s working on doing just that but I doubt he already learnt it.” First of all, Aurexion really loves the idea of a Dragon Breath attack that ignores armor and can appear out of nowhere, behind the tanks that are shielding the squishy mages. Second, they really want to return the hammer to the Beastkin King, to give him the ultimate “OH SH1T!!!” moment, as he realizes Ajax and Aurexion have Space mana. 😈😈 Not to mention Manashaper would be shouting it from the rooftops if he even had a lead on a chance to gain Space Mana.” Even WORSE, by lending the hammer to Manashaper and others, they could write a nice Thank You note to the Beastkin King signed by everyone who managed to get Space mana from that hammer…😈😈 I knew it was Space Mana but my [Sense Mana] couldn’t recognise it. Despite all the effort in my training I still had issues recognising different Mana types That’s the immense advantage conferred by the hammer…a bigger “mana signature” easier to get the affinity. Sorry, Grubby. 🥹🥹 The sheen of sweat on Ajax’s forehead let me know they had been training, most likely with the hammer my uncle had mentioned on the way here. Ajax the Training Maniac. 🙄🙄 It was Ajax’s prerogative as a pinnacle, he would soon be a king in his own right on equal footing with my father, at least in private in terms of standing. It would actually be useful…for Lexi. As the spouse of a Pinnacle, she’d get the sane titles, right? 😈😈 but his draconic size made it an issue any time he even approached a city. Small pets dropping dead of fright, crying children, (though not the Hearthbound children 🙄🙄) it’s a mess. 🐉🐲 One thing Ajax just about glossed over however was that he could also grow a third again as big if he wanted to. I’m betting Aurexion is very pleased about that too. Looking more intimidating?! Yes, please! 🐉🐲😈😈 House Hearthbound had just about as good a relationship with the crown as it was possible and while Ajax and Lexi were both fine with the king sitting at their dinner table the rest of his family still had a way to go. Ajax has pulled them out of several “Clenched Sphincter” situations. 😈😈 “That’s a surprise.” Ajax answered with a smile. “You’ll have to wait until tomorrow at least when you can get a small peek at what you’ll see in a few days.” I think I just Called It again. I’ve predicted before that the catastrophic financial overextension of Hearthbound resources (that Corwin and I have been discussing in this forum) in this project could be alleviated by forming a Cartel…and obviously the first partner to be recruited should be the Gryndor Royal Family. 😉😉 They would either go and settle new territories as we expanded into the Wild Lands and another large portion of them would move to Gryndor. Resulting obviously in rising unemployment, as every job in Gryndor will be contested… 😞😞 information regarding House Hearthbound was removed. This was the first time someone other than Ajax straight up refused a request from my father, a good show that the rest of Ajax’s family was settling in as a ducal House. The family is becoming used to their status. 🫡🫡 what made it harder however was the joyful screams of Ajax’s nephew as well as the two former slaves that Ajax handpicked from the Empire as they traveled in a small box carried by Aurexion. Jake: Loop the loop, Aurexion! 🤩🤩 Jarl: Oh dear gods…🤢🤮 “What are those?” my grandfather asked as he pointed towards the lake. Cheap, bulk carriers for trading with the Empire. 😈😈 So the takeaway from this chapter is that the Empire is gradually being absorbed into Gryndor. This seems to be progressing well, despite a lot of us (including myself) predicting it would be a nightmare. My hunch is that at various times in the history of the Human Nations, one side has managed to absorb the other, and it’s seen as transitional, preserving the power and wealth of the most powerful noble families. That makes it palatable, because it just means that the most fit family has won the contests, and deserve to hold the reins. 🤔🤔 And nobody loses their heads and money. Except, of course, that stupid former Ducal family, that deserved it for being idiots. 🙄🙄

Kai

I feel like we read this already

Arrogant Savant

I have to wonder if Auxerion can just straight up make his normal dragon body bigger. The dungeon scaling things to truly gigantic proportions at higher levels has been hinted at a few times.

Corwin

I think you meant fishing rods not roads

Corwin

Not sure how Aurexion could stop anyone from getting too close. The four ships are all different sizes and dimensions. And since the masts had to be raised outside of the drydock on a few cases, it would be difficult to hide them. A Forest would have different tree heights, putting them between 60 to 150 feet, and depending on the size of the Masts you would have to move trees to hide them, which Ajax cant really do. Also the branches would be problematic near the Masts, since they can tear the shrouds. Even with that being glossed over the other problem is the port city needs people and goods. Which means spies and gossip would flow in and out. Maybe wildly inaccurate and maybe close to the truth. But not something that no one hears nothing. A prime example is Area 51. While it is a testing facility, there is rumors and speculation about it.

Jachin Nelson

Aurexion would probably just fly around and scare the crap out of anyone that got to close

Gigition

Since Lexi is going to take part in the skirmish perhaps Anna should take part against her. I don’t think there is anyone else in house hearthbound that can even stall Lexi( not counting Ajax of course). Perhaps having bendict and Xavier take part as a sort of champion for each side would be a good idea. Assuming 5 trailblazer skills if 3 go to house hearthbound and 2 to the other nobles I think that would be a good distribution. You could have two archduke houses and/ or the royal family owing you a big favor, which will help mitigate any interference from other nobles. Even xavier’s cousin could take part, she should be about 20 years old: and I’m guessing around level 32 with a combat power of around a level 45. Her strength is probably around the same as Theron’s, so she can even out a side.

Gigition

It would be interesting if Xavier’s cousin fights in the skirmish, she could use the steam punk gear from book 4. I don’t know how many of you remember, but the eldest prince said that she might be interested in the full body steampunk suit. She should also be a mage so with that gear she will be like a hybrid chant fighter, aka like xavier. Although if I remember right the potential physical power of that suit is around level 60, so if she takes part she probably can’t use its full power.

userunfriendly

Giant. Flying. Flamethrower. 🐉🐉😈😈

Sam F

Can't believe we're weekend cliffhung on the ship reaction after all that filler 😩 heinous!

Bunny

Tftc

Corwin

But that takes time from learning how to shape shift, and any other skills he is training, plus he has travel time, sleep schedule and eating. Even if you were to push that to the max, one person or dragon cant cover the entire perimeter. Aurexion doesn't have anything to detect stealth skill users or enhanced perception. His ability to use a draconic roar would work to a degree but it also has adverse effects in constant exposure and how it effects the wildlife

Corwin

Chances are good the show is going to go good before it goes bad. And when it goes Bad it will be legendary in proportions. Keep in mind that Ajax has zero clue about most of the issues regarding his ships. And his Retainers, family and Lexi don't have any reference points about the problems. Making the issue(s) that pop up are going to be a shock to everyone. Except Ajax, who will curse himself for not being more involved. That is a lie. Cities are too big. You have too much material and people working to not have rumors and speculation running rampant in the streets and elsewhere about what it is going to be or used for. Area 51 is a prime example. Everyone knows about the testing. But the rumors and speculation on what else goes on, has been on going since it was built. Its not cultural blindness. The Former King noticed the boats, but didn't see the fishing rods, or the fishing nets. The largeness of the ships is probably unfamiliar. But bear in mind they have no way to navigate on water, and they don't know how to build a ship that is water tight for long voyages. Even if they did, why would they, they know about Mana Beasts, and fighting an aquatic beast in the water when you are land bound and incapable of breathing underwater is sensible. Having a ship lost is 1 in 7 without Mana Beasts, but say it only makes it 3 in 14, thats a lot of loss product and people. No one would take those losses long term. This will probably be the thing that Ajax will kick himself for later on. His time on Space Mana, means that he lost critical time in his ships. The levers vs the wheels being number one. Setting up navigation being second. The Blige pumps are number three, and the fourth is the quarter deck. Each of those things will compound since his retainers and family don't know about them. The Blige pumps are a necessity when water gets in the ship during high seas. The navigation is necessity for traveling without seeing land. The quarter deck is also to help the poor helmsman see where he is going. All of which will make Ajax and Aurexion need to fly and do search and rescue, assuming they poor sailors, officers and passengers arent dead and sunk after all of this. 😂😂😂Actually with the merger with Gryndor its unlikely they would move to Gryndor. If they choose to move the more likely scenario would be the former slaves going to the Republic, Sylenthal and Brightshore. They will either stay in the Empire or move into the Wild Lands, moving anywhere else means they wont be staying in the Empire or Empire Adjacent at all.

userunfriendly

Yeah, Ajax not following up on improving his ships was a boner move. Seriously, R U an idiot?! Hopefully Ajax fixed what he could before inviting the Royals. 🙄🙄. Actually, it’s perfectly reasonable that Ajax fixed all he could do before screwing around with Space mana. I think we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt. 🤔🤔 With mages included in the regular crew, I think overall, loss of ships due to weather and shoals should be down. Hopefully, as you’ve proposed, Ajax and Aurexion have treaties with the Awakened monsters living in the lake. Fixing the equipment, adding mages to crews, and securing lake monsters (if they exist) would be what I consider minimum necessary for successful completion of the Pilot Project. 🫡🫡

Corwin

Anna wouldn't be a good fit. Wooden ships are too flammable and with her legendary skill her flames don't stop with being doused with Water. But there should be a lot more than 5 trailblazer titles. Assuming you had them fighting for awhile, you would have multiple types of engagements. 1) Some of the engagements, should be when the ships are trying to get more water. Ships have casks or tanks filled with water. Limiting how much they can hold and forcing them to collect it would be a reasonable part of the exercise. And would force the groups to manage resources and collections. 2) A night time excursion to trap the crew below decks while you subdue the ones on watch, and pilot it to your crews base for the mock battle. 3) Have the ships perform a cutting out operation. Having the opposing side hold up in a fort while the others attempt to take the ship that is under the fort and the forts weapons to your base. 4) Storming a fort from the water. 5) Having a 2 v 2 ship battle. All of those types of engagements should unlock a trailblazer title or two. Especially since you would have multiple people having to do different things. Doing quick repairs using an untested formula, like we had with cement. Unlocking a skill for boarding an enemy ship quietly. Unlocking a skill for stealth on the water. I can think of others but you get the idea. There should honestly be about 50 of them. Since you have carpenters having to make patches and do other work on unstable footing. Archers swaying in the rigging while firing arrows. Guards cutting off ropes with accuracy to stop others from tying their ships together. And so forth

Corwin

Why would you think that? Ajax has spent more time sparring, playing with Space Mana, working on his weapon skills, and ignoring his biggest cash investment and people investment for awhile. That's not really looking and working on ship improvements. The Blige water system, navigation, and quarterdeck. Isn't something you figure out you missed without spending days on board. The quarterdeck and navigation system requires you to be somewhere you cant see land and are trying to navigate. Theron might or might not have noticed it in a short jaunt of a trip. And without a frame of reference no one would know what the problems were. Though to be fair I just remembered that we don't have the system set up to figure out speed of the ship as well. Something that would be very important if you were trying to figure out distance and travel time. What mages? 🤔🧐🙄🫣...Ajax has himself, Lexi, Nelly and Tristan. Tristan, and Nelly arent capable of being on a ship for months on end since Ajax needs the Collectors getting stronger and pulling material out of the dungeon. Lexi and Ajax arent good fits either. And what is the draw for getting independent and others to come to Hearthbound? He doesn't have anything to draw them into the fold. Which makes his ships purely at the mercy of mother nature. Not the worst thing. But it certainly isnt ideal. Currently how do you figure Ajax and Aurexion can make a treaty or any kind of deal with any Awakened in the Lake? Aurexion has spent how many days blasting his Roar into the Lake...so why would they make a deal with Ajax and Aurexion? They have a big safety net, Aurexion and Ajax cant stay underwater for long, and their speed is cut in a quarter as it is on land. Why would you think that they can secure the Lake monsters? Aurexion is forced to use his roar which is ineffective in that regard. And neither Ajax or Aurexion has spent time trying to fix that. The biggest hope, I have is that any Awakened or Mana Beast, has minimal desire to come to the surface. Which would force Ajax to change how he operates and force him to find someone who is willing to make a huge build adjustment to make a treaty later on.

Corwin

Yes...while surrounded by trees and wooden boats🤪🫣

userunfriendly

That’s actually a thought…due to the pressure differential, depLake dwellers are unable to get to the surface?! 🤔🤔 Could that be how Keleros is going to defuse the threat of Lske monsters? Of course they could make a treaty with the Awakened. They’re Ascended. Ajax and Aurexion need only unleash their combined Ascended Aura, and they’d be fine. Really, why would the Lake monsters attack ships on the surface anyway? 🤔🤔 Food, territorial violation, insult or injury. As long as Hearthbound ships are forbidden from harvesting fish in large quantities, that should be ok. They’re on the surface, not actually encroaching on deep lake habitat. They’ll be carefully instructed to not give offense, and if neither side starts anything, peace is preferable. Hearthbound could hire commercial mages who are not interested in combat roles. There should be a lot, who are just interested in raising skill levels. They’d be crew, controlling wind and waves. My thinking was that before the Royals showed up, Ajax had time to fix all the issues. This wasn’t covered in the chapter. We’ll see. 🙄🙄

Corwin

You arent a big water nerd i see. Most air breathing mammals like Whales and Dolphins have zero issues diving down a few hundred feet and coming back up. Same with certain breeds of fish. So while Ajax and Aurexion would have issues dealing with pressure and building up nitrogen in their blood with diving and coming up for air. The same wouldn't be true in reverse. They may not be able to stay on land for long periods of time, but Ajax and Aurexion would be screwed fighting them in the water. If we have Awakened in the Lake, they choose the area we'll and probably enjoy the less issues other Ascended can give them. While everyone has low mana density, we have no clue if the density is higher the deeper they go in the water. And with Leviathans being the top aquatic Ascended race, they probably wouldn't care too much for land bound Ascended or Awakened. You are assuming it will only be Fish. It could also be certain sections of the Lake are scared to them. They could also have other areas they use for harvesting or grazing their beasts of burden, or pets. And keep in mind the ecosystem in water is 3d more than most. So its entirely possible that the treaty will require extensive back and forth, with Aurexion and Ajax having to face the problem of fighting a fight where the other people can flee or fight no matter what they do. Mages are 15% of the population in your basic Human population. Of which the Mages skewed towards Rich and Nobility. Its definitely possible for their to be a few who would be more mercenary about it. But they all have Ajax over a barrel. Since he has no chants, he is over extended in money and solvency. Right...Ajax fixed all the issues, the Bilge pumps would require a whole new ship basically to be built, since you need to set up the pipes, pumps, and pitch for them to work. The quarter deck would require more ripping up of the ship, but luckily the quarter deck would open up the weaveto get at the levers and switch to the wheel. As for navigation, that again would require Ajax to use old earth knowledge and using it to build a basic compass.

userunfriendly

I have zero knowledge of boats. I get seasick easily. 🤢🤮. Let’s see how Keleros writes himself out of this. I’m also thinking that EA might allow Ajax to fight effectively underwater…there’s no problem with Nitrogen Narcosis if he’s made of water. What I'm now beginning to wonder is what is Ajax’s endgame?! It’s obvious that this venture is doomed…unless he’s planning to hand over everything to the Crown, he’s going to lose money and lives. That’s not a viable strategy. Unless he can get the Crown to underwrite the huge financial and human burdens…he could even conceivably just hand over everything to the Crown and the former Empire, content with a smaller percentage of taxing the traffic. That’s like one of the few methods to avoiding the huge disaster we can both foresee. I’m just puzzled at this point.

Buck

Damn! Have to wait until Monday to get the royal family’s reaction.

Biggie_smells

i think that the beast in the lake is going to show up and ajax is gonna do something to get space mana. To many hints for it to not involve at least one of those things.

Parko

Remember the 20k plus slaves that are already living in Ajax’s territory. The word must have already been spread by Ajax's and the Crown's spies, traders etc. I believe a number will try to go to the Beast kingdom, or the very least, the Republic but slaves with next to no money for food, shelter or clothes do need somewhere to live, even temporarily so while some will leave due to their hatred of humans, most will settle somewhere in Gryndor. Including any expanded territory. Navigation will be an issue until Keleros makes some madness up for us to believe. I'm surprised he hasn't had a 50 story light house built to help the ships find home. 😂 (a lighthouse yes, that tall? No 😆) The ships now all should have wheels for direction, assume that the quarter decks are done (benefit of the doubt here Keleros) Bilge pumps - I don't remember these not being constructed during the build? Given what it needed with the wheel, instead of the rudder systen, the ships would need a massive refit so it is possible. (Again, benefit of the doubt Keleros) But if not, with the wealth they have Aurexion's horde, their very profitable trading company and what they can pull out is the dungeons, their financial situation could easily push into Goldmancer territory, especially with Ajax's potions and the rest he can do, the number of mages they can and will hire, the need for a bilge pump system isn't needed. Safer? Gods yes, especially with Ajax around but as basic traders? A decent water mage and you're all set but without one, and you've got sunk ships. Given their money, getting them shouldn't be too hard. Unless they get sea sick and want to kiss land when they go ashore. 😂

Corwin

I was thinking more in line with with different aquatic animals. Knowledge of ships, is way to vast to know enough to make someone too sure of anything without doing research into it. Since sailing spans from BC to today. EA wouldn't be a good fit for fighting in water, but a water elemnental wouldn't be a really a bad choice since it would be the most elemental magic anyone in it would have. Ice or Wind would be better but really terrible choices still. Honestly I think Ajax didn't think of the way things could go wrong or what he missed. The venture isnt doomed. It just requires more time and effort than what Ajax gave it. The navigation, bilge water pumps, and levers all highlighted that he was really not a sailor in anyway from earth. The quarterdeck and figuring out speed on the ship, can be laid at the fact that he didn't spend time on the ships. The scenarios we have talked about are the common and uncommon ones that happen with watercraft, but that isnt helpful if you haven't a clue about sailing. A different scenario that is unique is when the wind becomes too much and snaps the Mast from the ships. A fix to that is to trim the sails so you show less canvas...not exactly something you would think of. And to be honest a scenario thats more likely to happen with Magic. Giving everything to the Crown is certainly an option. But also forces the Crown to give out the information to everyone who has access to a large body of water. Sitting on the information isnt a good choice or even viable at that point. It also would force them to give the information to the Empire at the same time. Which would force more ports being created as well as ships. This way would also spread the information the fastest. With no way to control it afterwards. Taxes from traffic or building wouldn't be something Ajax could ask for or get. Why does it have to avoid the disaster? This venture would cement Ajax's value and the cost of not further planning. This also would make expansion into the Wild Lands not as dire. As we have discussed, there is a ton of land already here that isnt being utilized at all. It also will have the benefit of starting a Naval College from the disaster(s). Having sailors and officers go through a few years of training on land and around a bay and close to the Port are all good things. It also sets Ajax up to revamping how to make his Zeppelin project less of a disaster and other future projects.

Corwin

True. That large of an amount of slaves could counteract some of the issue. But you also have Gryndor and the Empire merging. Which will counter part of that. But how much money do you really need? With Slave Armies who are trained, you have access to Mana and the ability to have skills in forging of the land. Would they be stripping the land of everything...oh yes. But would they care. Not so much. A lighthouse would be workable to a degree. A 400 foot lighthouse would allow someone to know where the shore was from about 20 miles away. A rudder system can be done with levers or a wheel. The wheel system is more common and without machines powering equipment makes it difficult to use. A high enough strength stat could compensate for that. But would get ridiculous fast. A bilge pump would be necessary. Unless you have a big rotation of water mages. All wooden ships leak and take on water. The question is how badly lol. Somewhere between inches to feet in an hour. Worse with storms or heavy winds. A water Mage could probably handle everything in perfect condition.

userunfriendly

Lighthouses…hmmm. That COULD work…but the investment and maintenance costs for enough lighthouses would be enormous, if you’re using them for navigation. Besides, they’re only good at night, and you might as well steer the ships using celestial navigation. 🙄🙄 Good points on the slaves…one of the sociological implications of freed slaves is that the economy better be robust enough to employ them…or you get revolutions. 😱😱 Aurexion’s hoard, and the gold statue aren’t enough to sustain the irresponsible growth of Hearthbound’s financial commitments. It’s ridiculous how overextended Hearthbound is right now. 🙄🙄. That’s why my assessment is that Ajax will have to partner with other ducal houses, and the royals of both Gryndor and the Empire to actually get this project workable. 😳😳. Both Corwin and I can only see a potential disaster with this project, unless Keleros changes a basic assumption about risks and potential consequences. 😱😱. We’re basically waiting to see what happens.

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That’s actually…so Keleros could be setting Ajax up to fail catastrophically?! 😳😳. Actually plausible, given that every project Ajax has embarked on has succeeded. I’d actually buy that…realistically, this whole project, due to the massive scale involved, was doomed from the beginning. And yes, there would be copycats… What if Ajax is relying on copycats?! He controls the cement road to the harbor, and we can assume as an architect he’s locked in the best possible location for shipping significant amount of goods to the Empire and back…cement piers, big, sturdy roads…so even if others copy the ships, in order to haul significant and profitable cargo to and from the Empire, they have to use Ajax’s facilities. 😈😈. He could tax that, and charge fees. 😈😈 The real moneymaker is the ports! 🤑🤑. Copycats see the vast revenue generated, build ships of their own, BUT unless they have access to Hearthbound cement in massive quantities, to build their own ports (😂🤣😂🤣😈😈) they have to use Ajax’s port city. 😳😳 That strategic control, and sharing the profits and RISKS with Archducal families and the Crowns, could make this viable…🤔🤔

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As I relied, lighthouses only really work at night. You might as well use Celestial navigation. Now, building navigation aids…like an old fashioned semaphore station, to aid in daylight navigation and communications between Gryndor and empire coukd be realistic. 🤔🤔 All ships LEAK. That’s why every ship has a pump. It’s irresponsible to set sail without one. We were both laughing at the bags of cement that those crew were holding. 🙄🙄. Fortunately, every wooden ship is comparatively easier to retrofit pumps. 🙄🙄😂🤣 The implication of the Empire releasing slaves could mean that the Emperor could realistically kickstart his expansions into the Wild Lands…they’d find employment setting up settlements in the Wild Lands, communities they’d call their own. The demand for Hearthbound cement would be immense…best hauled over water. 😈😈 Well, I’m curious to see what Monday brings. 🫡🫡

Corwin

Actually lighthouses are tall enough, that someone could see them during the day with a spy glass. But would they be good choices for day and night. Not really. Without the dimensions of the Lake its really difficult to determine how close or far off we would be able to make a lighthouse on both ends capable of working. But the one thing we are not discussing is how the current is effecting movement. A ship could be moving forward but tide and current are shifting them left or right. Which is why a compass and headings are necessary when going over open water without land in sight. But Monday will determine much of what happens or doesnt. Ajax cant partner up with Ducal or Royal houses on shipping. Sure he has a few ships. But let's be realistic there isnt a big financial package awaiting for anyone to swoop in. Building additional port cities are a necessity. The supply and demand chain cant and wont be tied to Hearthbound. Its just to massive for anyone to allow it. The Lake's shape will determine who also can be approached and worked with. The major problem is navigating. A set of skills that a number of trackers have, and with the right Milestone chosen they could be the premier Helmsman, Guide, or Pilot. The disaster and risks are the same for everyone. The biggest thing is that Ajax has access to a wide range of knowledge that they don't have. Also those who lose ships and cargo, will have an effect on both sides of the trade. A 1 in 7 loss in ship and crew is going to hurt everyone. Currently we lose less ships now globally. But we still lose 1500 shipping containers a year. How do we drop down to that? Taking sound(depth) readings. Weather Skills (not to change the weather but forecast it). Training. Not overloading ships. I get that you want a win, but let's be honest. Port Nassau, isnt the Alpha here. A port up closer to the border with the Empire, where goods can be shipped by someone else up to the Empire side and returned is more likely. Would it limit some goods, sure. But that location could cut down a week worth of travel. And once the goods in Gryndor the goods will have the ability to move quiet freely. And that assumes that Slyvanthal doesn't have the ability to grab some of that trade as well, since they also but up against the Empire. Making Ajax's big money maker smaller. And before you say Sylenthal doesn't have cement...it has the recipe. Making Ajax's "Trump card" a not. Nor would Slyvanthal wouldn't be interested in building a port, and using it to trade with the Empire...making it less strategic then you think. Plus with access to more mages, the Sylventhal kingdom has a reason to make a huge river to connect them to the Empire. With Strategic Islands for Fortress Trees, and outposts, so they can move goods a lot more easily with Canals and barges. The Empire releasing slaves, doesn't mean they would expand under the Empire's Flag. They could be moving to the Beastkin Kingdom, the Dwarves, Elves, or the Republic. Though I am sure a few of them might strike out on their own and make their own kingdom. And a different percentage who will stay in Gryndor or the Empire.

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Currents need to be charted. Reefs need to be discovered and charted. Underwater hazards need to be charted. I still think Hearthbound could dominate waterborne trade, because Ajax controls the Toads. A rival port city is almost useless without cement roads capable of taking on big wagons. (unless they’re using giant worms… 🤔🤔 BUT those are controlled by Hearthbound. 😈😂🤣😂🤣) My biggest point is that any rival port city, or rival shipping corporation would be working with a leg chained to a weight. Hearthbound controls cement, roads, port city and ships. For centuries, Ajax’s cartel could make it prohibitively expensive to go against him. 😱😱 Better and cheaper than light houses would be a simple tower, flying a mast with a flag. They’d burn light in bad weather, but the flag shows wind, location, and any hidden reefs. Simple, and relatively cheap. 🫡🫡 ‘yes, the downsides of Ajax’s new venture are significant. But as a LONG TERM investment, it has the long term revenues to become truly significant. If Sjax is following people’s advice, and planning for centuries, a navy is a good idea. 🤔🤔

Corwin

He really doesn't though. Cement is traded and is known by a rival kingdom. So he doesn't control as much as you think. And we still have canals and barges... As for the worms those can be sold by any Empire currently noble house or merchant. Like I said Ajax isn't the alpha or the only game in town. It's not a bad thing. But it is something to bear in mind. A Tower with a flag wouldn't be able to say that much. Denoting wind on land is not the same as on the water. Making that information not as useful as you think. As for Flags for signals, requires more than you think. Everyone would be required to agree on the design, color, shape, and orientation. That's a big ask and difficult. The Empire and Gryndor would have to agree. I dont disagree with a navy being a good investment. But you have lots of things that Ajax is pushing off on learning and doing. Many of them, would be easier to recognize if he actually got on board and worked on them. His retainers, family have no knowledge and take what he gives them as gospel. It worked on Bees, and Schools, and Roads. But again without him working on the ship, writing down the SOPs that make sense to him, as well as planning out different scenarios, he basically made it more difficult to get the venture off the ground. The problems will compound because Ajax isn't looking at the long term, or trying to understand what he has going for him.

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True…but fortunately, bulk cargo trading while it is a steady revenue stream, the profit margins make it unattractive to any merchant or merchant group wealthy enough to own those giant worms. Setting up semaphore towers isn’t that bad. The ability to relay information rapidly makes it worthwhile in and of itself, rather than relying on couriers. In fact, that’s what Ajax should have done. Setup semaphore towers. Just the ability to relay information rapidly, across hundreds of kilometers per hour, would have fully justified it. Those ridiculously expensive magi tech devices are only accessible to royalty, so there’s a serious demand for something cheaper. 🙄🙄 Yep, Ajax is playing King Log instead of King Stork. Our enjoyment of this arc is based on the fact we can’t figure out how Keleros will justify such an ill advised venture. 🙄🙄. You’re completely right, Ajax needs to get more involved. 🙄🙄

Corwin

It actually is. And its why Home Depot and others have bought ships to transport their goods and have fleets of semitrucks as well. Do they use others, yes. But they also keep things inhouse as well. Your nobles and wealthy merchants will definitely have a number following that same model and becoming successful. Semaphores arent bad, but there are factors that make it unattractive. You have lots of training that is required to make it workable, and their is little chance of you being able to gain Trailblazer titles without someone copying without them before you have more than one. The communication devices we don't know the cost of them, Royals and Nobles have them, but they haven't gone down to the commoners, which is because of the lack of need. Each device is only connected to one device. Which makes it a expensive toy thats not useful for mass production. And since most families are within 20 miles of their relatives that makes the device even less desired for commoners. Merchants probably wouldn't mind having multiple ones, but trading companies would need to be uniform which they arent. Case in point is when Judy and Alanna were trying to expand, and they had other merchants in their own company disrupting that. Playing the Father of the Navy isnt a bad thing. Its not so much ill advised, so much as less planned out. Ajax taking a back seat isnt really possible in a project that only he knows the final end result. And ships are a huge tech sink, and the possibilities of merging enchanting, tech, and shipping has a lot of possibilities. But when you are the only one who knows what possible its difficult to be hands off.

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The “excursion” was a disaster. King Xandor almost drowned, and Xavier was being treated for concussion. Then Ajax felt a truly immense aura coming from underneath the surface of the Lake, and he looked in horror at the starboard side of the ship, as an inexplicably familiar head rose out of the water. Godzilla roared, and opening his mouth, Ajax could see the dorsal fins atop his head glowing as it prepared to unleash radioactive breath…😱😱 “GaH!!!” Ajax woke up, next to Lexi, as the nightmare released its grasp on him…🥹🥹 As completely bullsh1t and asinine a dream ending for this arc would be, I’d accept that if it meant that Ajax didn’t build his ships. 🥵🥵 The City is fine as a way to “encourage” the Empire to be absorbed, but if he puts off building his ships for a full decade, after smaller pilot craft are built for testing (in the cover of darkness, under great security) and to figure out the complexities of setting up a trading route… Oh…😳😳😳😳 could this whole arc be just Ajax figuring out what he needs to improve, to set up trade with the Empire, and to give his family and retainers, and the invited Royals, some nifty Trailblazers?! That he intends to only build a trading route a few decades after the Ceasefire?! That explains the tight security. Corwin, i now think this whole arc is just a pilot project, to test out things, and for developing the technology. The Royals got invited so they could punish any noble family trying to poach Ajax’s inventions. There’s no way that Ajax plans to set up commercial trade between Empire and Gryndor, he’s not that stupid, he’s investing (more than he was happy with, but whatever) just enough to experiment and work out the kinks. The Royal family was invited in case another noble family tries to poach Ajax’s tech, and he’s sharing Trailblazers. Now doesn’t that make the Most sense? 🤔🤔🥹🥹😉😉

Corwin

The ships arent bad. Yes they need work, and their is missing infrastructure but the idea is still good. But piloting in the dark is a terrible idea. There is a reason why most training is done during the day before there is any training done at night. There is definitely improvements needed. But there is not really a way to put it back in the bottle after showing it off. It will take decades to build a trading route regardless if it was done now or later. As for it being a pilot project...most of his projects are pilot projects. He doesn't work on them mostly after he starts them. Which is a shame. Commercial trade will happen and Hearthbound will be part of it. But leading the charge or gaining all the Trailblazers is definitely not happening. But there is no chance Gryndor will be able to stop the poaching of ship building. The biggest thing will be the rush of who gains the most Trailblazers.

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Ajax just doesn’t carry things through…which, in the end turns out to be a good thing…because if he came up with capstans, lateen sails, rudder wheels, winged keels, and all the other developed technologies for his ships, there’s going to be a lot of people saying… BULLSH1T!!! There’s absolutely no WAY Ajax came up with all that developed, MATURE technology on his own!!! Just like he got lucky with those mana farmered plants, Ajax’s incomplete knowledge is helping to keep his secret. He invents the basic tech, which from the viewpoint of the people in his life are jaw dropping revolutionary, and lets others develop it. He’s seen as an eccentric genius, like Tesla, who sold AC power distribution to Westinghouse for a pittance. But as his family locks ranks, to develop and execute his “genius” ideas, the rest of the world has no idea. Aurexion and Lexi know, but that’s ok, because they understand realistically that Ajax was an architect. 😓😓 Overall, I think with a bit of work, this arc could work out. And I while I don’t dispute that Gryndor can’t stop the ship building Trailblazers, Gryndor can absolutely secure the incredibly lucrative trade to the Empire. Any attempt to build another harbor, and dock are going to be obvious. 🙄🙄 So if Ajax can grab the lions share of the Trailblazers, and share a few with the Royals, he can slowly develop ship building tech, and once everything is worked out, start trading. There will be some truly PISSED nobles, but screw em. 😈😈😈😈😈

Corwin

The past 200 years in Ship building would require lots of degrees to make. But most of that wouldn't be something he should be putting out. But as for the 1500-1800 ship design with a wheel and other things wouldn't be out of the ordinary. Keep in mind that a number of those things also have other uses outside of sailing. He isn't really inventing anything. Nor is it helping in keeping his secret. Farming, Shipping, Schooling, and we haven't stopped yet. All of these areas of study from what can basically be described as a Battle Junkie.. he hasn't done anything to show that he studies or does much of anything but fight and brew alchemy. And none of those really dovetail into all of those fields. Does his family understand...not really. Does it change things yes. To hide his previous life one could do a number of things to hide it. This is flaunting and while no one is pressing the issue. It's not exactly subtle. Actually Gryndor can't secure it. Sylventhal has the Cement recipe, and you haven't factored in the anger and resentment from the Empire and Deep Wood. A connection that both kingdoms can use to their advantage. Swiftleaf and the Imperial family could grab the ship blue prints and have an arranged marriage to screw over Sylventhal and Gryndor. Since neither the Empire or Deep Wood want to be the absorbed nation. Making a marriage and merging together to screw over Gryndor and Sylventhal makes sense. Especially since Gryndor and Slyventhal are thinking they have all the cards. Ajax wouldn't be able to. Think of the time needed and the magical requirements to season wood for ship building...the Empire, Deep Wood, Sylventhal and the Republic all have more Mages than Ajax. Same with every noble house in Gryndor

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The Empire CAN’T screw him over. The revenue will flow into both the Empire’s coffers and Gryndor’s coffers due to the ease and volume of trade across the lake, correct? Then they can’t screw over each other, because the revenue depends on a matching Empire port city, which requires Ajax’s design and the more expensive cement, in large quantities. While pirates could exist, this is doubtful, as the small volume portable wealth that would make piracy profitable wouldn’t be carried on bulk transport. Pirates back in the sailing days counted on high value cargo…cacao, sugar, silver, gold bullion, (because ships were the ONLY transportation between the new world and old) and slaves. Now in this world, fast riders using spatial storage rings and body guards would quickly and easily transport high value, low bulk goods. Such couriers would have the advantage of irregular routes, making ambushes difficult. Pirates don’t want to board a huge ships full of beans. Kidnapping and ransoming the crew does work, but with decent guards, more difficult. My point is that the benefits of waterborne trading is in low value, high bulk goods. There’s too much of an investment necessary to get that profitable, as well as necessity of securing the cooperation of the local rulers.

Corwin

Actually the revenue isn't a singular stream. Taking the ships and using then to open up trade between Deep Wood and the Empire would be a much greater stream than the one with Gryndor. With the added benefit of more access to large trees from Deep Wood. The Cement is actually cheap. The more expensive Cement is still in the process and research phase. Yes it's possible to make the Building Cement but it's not useful for the Empire and Deep Wood. Pirating unfortunately is never actually about gold, silver, and jewels. If you look over historical records. Pirates took more trade goods than anything else. Yes Chocolate, sugar, gold and silver was taken. But the other things...more sail cloth was stolen than anything else. Same with food supplies. The precious cargo was indeed valuable, but if you are a Pirate, you don't exactly have access to the materials to repair your ship and feed your crew. The things you are talking about is exactly what they would want and need. Gold, silver, and jewels were more in line with privateers. Legal for private citizens to steal from a countries enemies. Those were the ones who stole only high value items. Everyone else went after the goods they needed to survive

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Well, my prediction is that the current shipbuilding is a pure pilot project, to get the technology right, and workable, and possibly to investigate the lake for monsters, so Ajax and Aurexion get to kill something. 🙄🙄. We shall see in a few hours. 🕰️

Corwin

But the technology isnt right, at least not yet. And currently its half workable. Currently any ship in port when the weather is bad is going to have costly repairs. And they cant go out in bad weather due to lack of navigation equipment and abilities. I do see something being in the Lake. But I doubt Ajax and Aurexion will be able to kill it currently. Any aquatic race or beast is going to have lots of water to hide in and maneuver in. The best case is that they find out with minimal loss of life and ships.

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This may be why they’re starting to develop the tech this early. Because of mana, a lot of the things will need new technology different from Earth’s to work. Grabbing the Trailblazers, sharing them with the Royals, and getting a monopoly on waterborne transportation is to be the priority right now. Actually getting it working will take time. But I’m guessing that’s why the Royals are here…Ajax showing them the potential, revealing his plan to partner with other ducal houses (remember Friday’s chapter on RR was on the likely consequences for Ajax’s continuing successes…) and offering Trailblazers as a unique gift/bribe. 😈😈

Corwin

Not really. The technology is Enchanting based. The aspect that Ajax needs is the one thing currently he doesn't have. Nor would the Royals from any kingdom have those things on hand. The Trailblazer Titles would be the legendary or epic variety. But sonar and radar isnt something you can realistically work towards without having an actual understanding of them and knowing the method of how to reverse engineer it. Radios would be probably the easiest to manufacture. At least the Crystal Radios. Which would plug into radio waves and get enchanters how to figure out radar. Sonar works off of sound waves, which is vibration Mana but again putting that on an enchantment is way different. And we currently don't have sound enchantments. Or radio enchantments. And those are the low hanging fruit. Unfortunately their isnt a way to get the Trailblazer Titles monopoly as you are thinking. Since you have Manashaper already way ahead in the magnetic mana research. Which will make sure that Ajax has access to some of that research but a Premier Research Magic Research Nobke House isnt going to give up any Trailblazer Titles they already got from that to anyone. Plus no Ducal House is going to partner on this. No Royal would either. Ajax has 4 ships, and maybe another 8 in some design part of the phase. The potential design phase for every Noble Carpenter is going to give them those Titles with no collaboration. And remember this is a Lake, a broad flatbottom boat is a viable vessel. Keels are only necessary for ocean travel. As well as the opportunity to expand and build ports and new cities will make the population expand into new areas. Will the docks be as fine as Ajax's? Nope. But is that a necessity? No. Laborers are going to do what we did before. Load the ships by hand. And with an incoming population of people who are tossing more into vitality its not a losing proposition for them. Will Ajax get some support...sure. but will it be as good as you think no. Smithmade(???) doesn't have a good relationship with Ajax. But they have a huge base of crafters. Making them ideal for building ships, and building a port by themselves. Goldmancer will also be forced to go into ship building and a port by himself. Mostly to help Anna build up the skills necessary to be his heir. Benedict family might collaborate but I doubt it. They might choose to do that with the Royal Family to work on specific military aspects. Silvertongue might venture token support to work on their spy network. The Royals will need to work on their own port and ships, to be specifically made to utilize their own Griffins. A design that will only be closely parallel to Ajax's need for a ship that fits Aurexion. Sylventhal, or the Empire cant join up with Ajax for various political reasons...which leaves what? Nobles Ajax doesn't know. And vetting them is more problematic than not. It expands the land usage in the Kingdoms and makes it less necessary for them to expand outwards. Even after the next war, the land usage and availability will make expansion less necessary than not.

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You’re right, the possibility of Smithmade successfully poaching into the trade with the Empire is certainly not to be underestimated. This is just such a bad idea in so many ways..,what was Ajax THINKING?! 🙄🙄

Corwin

Eh. If the Empire truly dissolves into Gryndor a number of Noble houses will have the ability to expand rapidly there. Currently Ajax's only ally is the Imperial family. So its difficult to see the expansion happening with Hearthbound not taking a huge plunge in the finances when or if it happens. As I have said Ships and Naval are a good idea and project. It just wasnt fleshed out to make it prime for Hearthbound. If a magnetic compass works, it would have been a great step in changing the Ship building arc. If Ajax had set up his Domain, and helped Tristan, Nelly and Lexi get a more beneficial domain. It would allow for a more targeted base to build off of. Since 4 domain users would give them the advantage of training and knowledge in building them for the arc. With the modifications for the ships which we have discussed. And nailing down an enchanter teacher or two. The Arc would be interesting and perfect. And would set up the Zeppelin building with minimal changing. Making Ajax capable of supplying and supporting his Troops in the war next time and allowing the arc to flow better. Ajax just needed to be part of the process and actually invest in the project and be more involved. This and other more technical information and skills from Earth require him to be more involved to be successful is all

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I’m extremely curious to see how Keleros will continue this arc without either of us calling “bullsh!t!!!”. 🙄🙄 We’re far more interested in PLAUSIBILITY than in shiny new toys. Hopefully we can ground Keleros, and keep him from dumping way too much Plot Armor on Ajax. 🙄🙄