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The Expanse 2x5 (Patreon)

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2023-06-09 04:32:52
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I’ll never forgive any of you for letting me watch this show 😭

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The Expanse 2x5

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Tanner Hatch

Ah, I've been waiting for this. I maintain this as one of the best sci-fi episodes of all time. Everything is firing on all cylinders, but the writing particularly had me enthralled the first time I watched it. Using the nuke as a narrative device as a constant reminder of the grand stakes while we follow Miller on this deeply personal journey culminating in the scene with Julie. Gah, so good.

Blunderbutts

Avasarala's call in her office is the bit of this episode that hits me the most. Everyone else has already evacuated, she's got a shuttle that could take her off to Luna to be safe with all the other government officials, and she chooses to stay there with Earth. She's been the consummate politician all through this, and to choose to stay there facing almost certain death is just so her. Not to mention her loving and supportive husband, he's already safe and he knows she's not going to leave. That scene just hammers my emotions like nothing else.

Zachery Gaskins

Now that you're done with Leviathan Wakes, here's how the rest of the series shakes out mapping content-wise to the books in case you feel the urge to read-along more: The short story "The Butcher of Anderson Station" has already been covered by S1E5. The short story "Drive" will be featured in S2E6 (the next one in your sequence). Caliban's War: S2E6 - S3E6 Abaddon's Gate: S3E7 - S3E13 Cibola Burn (+ the novella Gods of Risk): S4 Nemesis Games (+ elements of The Churn and The Vital Abyss): S5 Babylon's Ashes (+ the novella Strange Dogs): S6 The Vital Abyss and The Churn cover the backstories of Dr. Cortazar and Amos, respectively. You should definitely wait to read either until the end of the seasons in which they are featured (though The Churn might actually be a good read before S5E2, it's up to you!). "Last Flight of the Cassandra" is a short story that accompanies the Expanse RPG core rulebook that takes place shortly after the destruction of the Canterbury, but is otherwise unrelated to the main plot of The Expanse, merely in-universe. The remaining novels (Persepolis Rising, Tiamat's Wrath, Leviathan Falls) and novellas (Auberon, Sins of our Fathers) are yet to be produced in visual format, but we're all hoping it will happen (and there's multiple reasons why it might be a bit that are spoilerish to explain). There is a Kickstarter'd comic book series titled "Dragon Tooth" being released right now that was developed after the TV series ended (some believe "paused") that is supposed to connect the end of S6 to Persepolis Rising (and the possible resumption of the TV series).

Tony Camas

I forget who it was -- it was either Naren Shankar (show runner) or one of Mark Fergus & Hawk Ostby (the team that initially developed The Expanse for TV) -- but I remember in the "inside the show" video for this episode (which I can't find anywhere now) someone saying that the final bit with Julie and Miller at the Blue Falcon (in the books) was the scene that motivated them to want to film this story. This person had a pretty clear vision of how they wanted to do this back then, and turned it into one of the most memorable scenes in this show's (and, one might argue, TV's) history. And don't be embarrassed about the crying, Meg, that's how we know you're one of us. :) I think anybody who can watch this episode and not be emotionally devastated is clearly some kind of freak of nature. Or maybe they had that magnet-to-the brain procedure to wipe out their empathy. In any case, you passed with flying colors. We knew you would!

Deana DeWall

There was no "love story" in the book. Miller loved the idea of Julie and what she stood for. The kiss wasn't in the script or the book. The actors decided to improvise, and turned it into something it never was (against the book writers objections). They didn't even want to do the show without Thomas Jane, but he wasn't interested. They finally convinced him by explaining it was more of a redemption thing and not being just another hero who gets the girl (which he didn't like playing).

Tony Camas

Yeah, I know all about the controversy over the kiss, I agree that wasn't necessary and would have preferred it without it. I don't have a problem with terming it a "love story," though - Miller's final actions in that room, his self-sacrifice for the good of humanity and for the residents of a planet where he had never even been, came from a place of love. It was a love for what Julie represented more than her personally or bodily, but nevertheless, Miller saw goodness and love and empathy in Julie and was inspired to find the same qualities, long since buried under a layer of cynicism, in himself. And I'm okay with calling that a love story. The kiss, though, although portrayed as something tender rather than sexual, did seem to send a confusing message that I don't think was intended. I've been able, over the years, to wrap my head around it by considering it a trick of sorts, a manipulation of both Miller and Julie by the protomolecule, which was motivated to entice Miller to become a part of whatever it was doing there. But yes, it wasn't in the books, and we know Ty, for one, hated it. But it is what it is. All of this, in my opinion, does not take away from the emotional weight and sheer beauty of that final scene. When I say the creative people behind the show envisioned this way back when they first read it in the books, I think they were speaking more of the mood, the art design, the music, and the emotional beats of the scene. I don't think they were thinking about kisses or anything that specific. And I still think they did a great job.