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The Expanse 3x3 (Patreon)

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2023-10-15 03:20:50
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Phil Rademacher

That "Cry me a river, if you could appreciate what one is" is such a not so nice, but strong burn towards a Belter person. Good that you noticed that Errinwright wasn't the cause of the malfunction of the rail gun platform... for some reason, a bunch of reactors think Errinwright had something to do with it to make a point towards the Secretary General. And yeah, Sci-Fi often still addresses a bunch of topics, just in a future setting. Actually, Ty and Daniel mentioned that the future setting is more of a vessel, while the political decisions and other implications are the main points of the books/shows. The recent events just once again reiterate that the stories in the show are unfortunately continually happening. Oh and correct, Avasarala was never off Earth before, so she didn't meet a Belter... in freedom... but just go back to S1E1, and she did meet a Belter there, though she wasn't nice to him.

Mage Reacts

Oh my god. That flew over my head. GIRL…….

Tony Camas

Like all well-written stories, The Expanse succeeds because of its accurate representation of human nature. There are several through lines you can trace from the beginning of the story through to the end that exemplify this: The first is that no character is 100% good or 100% evil. They exist on a continuum and even when they are doing "evil" things, they are generally doing them for reasons. Some people are thinking about the greater good, others just convince themselves they are. I think we know what category JP Mao is in, but still, in his mind, he's doing what he's doing for a reason. No one would mistake Mao for a noble character, but he is funding all of this research because he sees the Protomolecule as a powerful force that must be tamed, and because of his narcissism, he believes he's the only person who can harness this powerful force and not fuck it up. Of course he's delusional, but in his own head, it makes perfect sense. And still, even he has a conscience, particularly when he meets a kid who doubtless reminds him of his own daughter, whom, in his quieter moments, he probably regrets abandoning. So in his way, he thinks maybe if he stops another kid's suffering, he might somehow make up for what happened to Julie. Of course it doesn't work that way, but at least for the moment, he's convinced he's a man of principle. Unfortunately, he's also a man of tremendous hubris, so it's not very hard to guess where this will eventually go. But it's nice to see him try to do something right, anyway. The second thing they do with characters in this story is they let them evolve. Virtually nobody is static in this show (or in the books). They start in one place and, after exposure to the realities of the world, slowly change, usually for the better. Fred Johnson did it, Chrisjen Avasarala is starting to do it, so is Bobbie Draper. Holden is changing in both good and bad ways. Amos and Prax are both changing; in fact, you could argue that they're changing each other, which is a good thing for Amos but maybe not so good for Prax. And Naomi is changing too, much to the chagrin of a certain element of the fandom. The changes in Naomi are profound and very different from the book version of Naomi, which I think is part of why some people find it so jarring. But I appreciate them. And there are reasons behind Naomi's less popular actions as well, but at this point they're sort of spoilers, so I won't say any more. The last thing the writing of this story does (as part of accurately representing the human condition) is to show how tribal we all are, and how that leads to conflict after conflict after conflict. Ironically, in The Expanse's version of the future, we've gotten past a lot of the things that now divide us -- race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. -- but because we are human beings, we've found other things to divide us instead. And so history repeats itself, and we see things happening on this show that remind us a lot of current events. And not in a good way. But people are people, and so this is probably a lot more realistic view of where we're headed than, say, the Gene Roddenberry view of the future. Okay. End of essay. :) This show sure gives you stuff to think about, though, don't it?

Tony Camas

Oh, I've been racking my brain, trying to figure out why the next two episodes should be watched together. I can't think of why people would be saying that, honestly. Other than just, you know, they're so good you're going to want to keep going. So don't let me stop you, but I'm not sure why people told you that. For whatever it's worth.

T. Arnold Ferguson

Yeah. Actually it's episodes 5&6. They were originally aired a week apart. As one who has watched the show since then, I'll just say that the one-week wait was painful...but that's how it is with a lot of the show's cliffhangers. I'll also just menyion that the two episodes together represent the end of book 2.

T. Arnold Ferguson

The story of the Amos’ wrench actually goes back to S1.E2, “The Big Empty.” Ty has said one of the biggest errors they committed on the show was depicting how the wrench flew off into space when Holden lost his grip. After the episode was completed, everyone realized an object would never have flown off in the manner they showed. As a way of reminding themselves how much they screwed up, they resolved to have a wrench make an appearance in each season. Keeping an eye out for it has almost become a drinking game. 😀

Aldo Cassola

Yes, the show is always so relevant to current events. In interviews people always ask them that: how they did it so well. I love their answer: they take inspiration in history-ancient history. The fall of empires, the plight of the oppressed, the hubris of the powerful, the pushback violence it spawns. Humans have been making the same mistakes for thousands of years, we will still make those same mistakes 300 years from now. Chef's kiss.

Aldo Cassola

I always thought the wrench floating in the background in the next episode was it, and there is another one later on after the thing happens. You know the thing. The one this episode looks like a real prop.

Frankie H

Meg I don't know if you remember Admiral Souther but he was in season 1 a little and got some screen time in the first 2 episodes of season 2. In episode 2 season 2 he objected to the UN plan to bomb a Martian moon and resigned as Fleet Admiral. This allowed that snake Admiral Nguyen to get the job of Fleet admiral, Nguyen becoming the highest ranking admiral essentially. Later in that episode he curses out Avasarala in a bar. Now Souther in charge of the UN Jupiter Fleet, which operates in the outer solar system, so now he's in the thick of the war. Also I like how UN equipment never works properly. The Agatha King, flagship of the UN navy (A "Flagship" is usually the most powerful ship in a fleet) keeps having electrical problems because it's old. Then the UN's orbital rail guns has a power failure. Earth has a large military but it's old and janky.

Mage Reacts

OMG. YES! I'm going to rewatch that scene. Thank you!!

DrEEsky

This is just a little thing: Theo the electrician that Cotyar kills, is an Earther, not a Martian (at least I infer that from the fact that he works on JP Mao's ship and Mao is an Earther). As to your commentary, once again it is masterful and insightful. Naomi is protecting her people and has very good reasons to be doing those things. But she is also able to see the situation from all or at least many sides as she is a critical thinker as you point out. Holden as we have heard Dawes describe him is an idealist and wants all sides to learn to work together, however he is fighting eons of human nature! The Roci is and was always intended to be a place where people of all backgrounds come together and become a family. Families fight, some families (like mine!) are not all blood related but are thrown together due to circumstances. We learn to love and understand one another in spite of it. And that is always what helps reduce conflict in the end, understanding one another and having compassion for one another. Lets hope we can learn to do that in real time as well. The Expanse teaches us how important it is to keep trying and keep going, even when things look hopeless!

Varun Laks

Errinwright is probably most analogous to Lex Luthor on the DC-front. It's not 1:1, but I think it's fairly close lol. Much in the same way Lex's actions are always influenced by his belief that Superman is a danger to Earth, Errinwright's actions are influenced by his baseline belief that Mars is a danger to Earth. A belief that was instilled in him by none other than Avasarala, who was his mentor. While Errinwright's strategy and actions are pretty extreme and evil quite frankly, they also make a lot of sense if we accept his belief that Mars is a danger to Earth (which is debatable of course, but it is a common belief amongst Earthers). If Mars gets the Protomolecule first, Errinwright thinks Earth is done, And in his mind, Mars will eventually utilize their Watchtowers to fire at Earth first. So to prevent that, Earth has to fire first. It's very game-theory, and because both sides assume the other will escalate matters they end up escalating it themselves. I think in his mind, Errinwright ultimately want to protect the people of Earth, but in doing so millions of Earthers ended up dying. So on that note, I don't really think Errinwright was at all worried about shifting blame away from himself when the missile hit. I think he was genuinely in pain for all those people dying (which is what makes him so interesting as a character). However, he was angry at the Secretary-General's constant wavering. Errinwright's strategy requires full commitment, and that's something the Secretary-General seems unable to do. And in Errinwright's eyes, that constant wavering cost millions of lives this time.