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Astrid and Walter melt me! Now that's out of the way, Peter the Observer is TERRIFYING! He plays it so well though. I'm very impressed. It's amazing seeing Nina again and the scene between her and Olivia was so touching too! I love the dynamics of this group so bloomin' much guys!!!

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DB

No, Peter, not the hair! The buzzcut trauma was bad enough lol I love how his speech becomes progressively more monotone and flat, how his movements get more and more stiff and sharp. This is I think the 3rd and the most direct reference to Bowie on this show. If i remember correctly he said he wrote The Man Who Sold the World because he was searching for a missing piece of himself. It was a song about finding one's true self. I might be misremembering that. Generation wise I was way more familiar with Nirvana's cover. But this episode is a perfect placement for a song about identity crisis for sure. BTW Dakara, slightly unrelated but did you see the news on Josh and Katie Holmes reuniting for a movie project? My PJo loving heart soared!

David Herron

Someone may have already said this but it’s nice that Peter (Joshua) can play a different version of his character , since he was the only version of himself the whole show and everyone else got to play a different version so he was left out, almost different Peter entirely heh

SaltyInternetPirate

William Bell truly was something else. First he fakes his death so he can go start a terrorist organization, then he tries to end the world three times, then he betrays Walter and our crew once again when the Observers invade, but his most monstrous act was stealing Walter's favourite music records!

Don

The real question (and I would love to hear other people's perspective) is if William Bell in the original timeline was also evil.

Will Sofer

@Don At least by the time the show starts, he seemed to be genuinely trying to save his universe. I’ve always thought that prior to this, he probably was doing things at least partly for his own self-interest. While he ostensibly designed the Redverse Department of Defense’s firearms, explosives, and the shapeshifters in order to infiltrate their Fringe Division (as he claimed), it’s equally likely that he also did this for the admiration (which Walter says he was almost addicted to), and to access other advanced technologies they had in development (for profit back home, as he had done earlier with the multiverse window). However, he was also passing information onto Nina, he was genuinely trying to help Olivia (remember Walternate was monitoring him, and tried to prevent their initial meeting), he sacrificed any standing he had left (and turned himself into a fugitive) to help them when they travelled there, and obviously, he sacrificed his own life to get them home. He didn’t really have to do any of that. Even at the end, he probably could’ve worked out some sort of deal with Walternate for his life and his freedom, while selling the others out. He genuinely seemed to be helping, and in the end, a hero. That being said, Yellowverse/alternate timeline Bell was a real piece of work, and a shit human being all around. Peter existing in the Blueverse timeline seemed to somehow set up a series of events in his life that swayed him away from his megalomania, and tamped down his worst tendencies. But that was likely a process that took many years.

SaltyInternetPirate

@Don This aspect of him was always there, but in the original timeline he didn't have the ideas on how to achieve it, but with Peter dead twice, Walter must have given or inspired something different in him. We see this season Walter is becoming the same. Arrogant of his brilliance, thinking himself not just intellectually, but morally superior to others. This is who they became without Peter to tether Walter to the world.

Don

Good responses. Who do you think was ultimately beind the ZFT experiments in the original timeline then? A few characters (the doctor who died from a spinal tap and the guy who died in the hospital by imagining his throat being slit) said Bell was behind it all. And to what purpose?

Thadman

We saw Skidmark (Windmark) at the end, getting into the elevator and we see Peter writing "Elevator" on the board under his picture.

christian chirico

My headcanon for ZFT was always that Bell started it to test the technology he was stealing from the other side but then it got corrupted (like the manifesto), either by Jones or in general for profit by its members, but i don’t believe it was Bell’s original design.

christian chirico

Yeah i think the two main changes that twisted him were Walter’s idea after both Peter’s died and then his involvement with Jones those are the key factors for me, we still don’t know what would have happened in the og timeline if Jones had managed to cross over (fully at least 😝) and find Bell, maybe they would have started collaborating in that timeline too but overall based on the fact he pulls Olivia over to warn her about the shapeshifters i do think he was mostly good in that timeline.

christian chirico

Yes totally agree on this, so happy that he got to stretch his legs more this season and he is so good.

Leonardo

A consistent part of Fringe throughout the show, but more so towards the end, is the depth of the characters and their internal struggles with existential questions regarding themselves, their relationship to each other, and to the world around them. We're one episode away from 2 of my favorite episodes of this season. 9 and 10. Such character arcs! and strong messages! Very important to pay attentions to every word they say!

christian chirico

God there’s nothing like this show is there? Even after so many rewatches i still find myself surprised by just how much character work they do this season and how willing they are to push those characters to their absolute limits to show us how they will behave, that is such a bold move for a final season and really appreciate it. Peter observer is in full swing, Josh really went for it in this episode and in this arc in general, the mannerisms, speech patterns and thought process are all consistent with the observer that we have experienced throughout the show, what a fantastic performance. I like that you can see as the episode progress that he is becoming colder and colder and because of it his excuses to Olivia become gradually worse until he doesn’t even bother hiding at the end. And once again while i realize how dangerous what Peter is doing to himself is i just can’t help finding everything he does so freaking cool, they way they are showcasing his new powers is amazing. The parallel journey of Walter is also in full swing now, both of them are losing themselves in different ways and Olivia as always is in the middle to pick the pieces while trying to keep this family from imploding again, god the patience that woman has is astounding 😭. Nina the mvp for real this season and we haven’t even gotten to her best moment yet, her relationships with Both Walter and Bell were always fascinating to me and i’m glad that they put them at the center of this episode, she is pretty much the only person alive that ha seen all of the version and Walter and that gives a very unique perspective. And that last scene well… it kind of speaks for itself, it’s crazy thar even though this season is the shortest it’s actually the one that allowed the characters to really sit on their thoughts and ponder what is happening to them, it doesn’t rush things in any ways even though the stakes are the highest in the whole show, i really don’t know how they did it.