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UNCUT - The House of Quark (DS9 S3E3) | Star Trek Journey 331 (Patreon)

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2026-01-10 21:00:09
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2026-01-11 16:07:51
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Because the response to us starting DS9 Season 3 has been so great from you all, we are releasing this reaction 1 day early! Thank you!

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Colby

Come on ride the train, it's a choo-choo, ride it!

Elizabeth N

Literally just watched your trailer and was getting excited for the reaction then this dropped. I love this episode! Thank you for releasing early!

misti-step

i think i was suprised by how emotional i was over these rubber faced big eared gremlins 😅 thanks for the early ep!

Todd “Canuck” Schmuck

I dunno…All reactors are a bit rubber faced, but Josh and Alex’s ears aren’t THAT big. 😏 In seriousness though, awesome surprise. 🥳🎉 I almost raced to click it, thinking it might have been an accidental early posting that might vanish. Happy to be wrong. 😁👍

MadScientist

Thank you guys. This is like a Christmas present. 💝

Summer

So glad you guys liked it, it has grown on me

Summer

I solemnly vow not to give you hints. I agree about the Miles and Keiko thing

tyranusfan

The names of the Klingon blades are pronounced "DAK-tang." I forget how to spell it.

Ryan

It's a snowy Saturday, and I have no idea what to do with my lazy self, and you drop this reaction a day early? I feel like it's the '90s and the internet is a hopeful and promising place again. Thank you! Interesting that you mentioned Family in your opening comments. This episode isn't that, but it's that same instinct of "let's slow down and take off some pressure after a big story arc." I like that the Dominion stuff continues in the background without being the focus. I also love how they work in Quark's affection for his brother without ever mentioning it by name. The "tell me the story" scene at the end got me a bit.

THE LORE!!!

I think if you do a rewatch, you'll notice both the housekeeper and D'Ghor are entirely capable of speaking without a growl. Glad you guys dug this one, it's a lot of fun.

Actuarial Lurker

"Will it be harder to see say a Quark episode?"- 3 minutes later a Quark episode...!

Robert Edelmann

Just gets better! Even the Ferengi episodes!

tyranusfan

I know not all the TOS movies are your favorites, but I do think the Klingon hairstyles from the movies (specifically 3 and 6) were better than the hair in the TNG era, which too often felt like a giant wig. I know, TV schedules are more rushed and they were churning out Klingon makeups here, but still.

Shawn Indigo

Awesome! An early birthday present.

Actuarial Lurker

Synopsis: Quark teaches Klingon Council advanced EXCEL spreadsheet skills, next week Powerpoint...great episode and shows that Ferengi DO have morals

harrypothead42024

I don't agree with Ken R, but I do know what he's talking about. That is always a good place to start a discussion. Difference of opinion is good.

Sam Langanke

The predictions go rampant lately. Keep them up! This is so much fun watching you hit or miss.

Brent Morris

Quark can out logic a Vulcan and out honor a Klingon

River Acheron

Horror Connection: Grilka (Mary Kay Adams) played Fran in Satan's Little Helper. Okay, it's a horror-comedy but it's the only guest star that I can think of with a connection to anything horror. :P I may make the horror connection a regular comment feature. :)

Wizardling

It was Worf's ancestor that was in Star Trek 6. Not TNG's Worf.

Scribe31oz

The expressions on the High Council’s face trying to understand the accounts was worth the episode alone.

River Acheron

A Worf is a Worf of Course of Course

River Acheron

Also, it was only his grandfather. I dunno if that counts as an ancestor. Ancestor implies WAY down the line. :)

Purple

This is one of those I rewatch over the years and is always fun :)

Joe Concepts

I see Josh's point about disagreeing with Bashir, but Keiko was willing to give it up for Chief, as they agreed. Plus, the school was her way of finding something else to do besides her "passion" career, and now she has lost that, too. But would say, it's okay if someone decides the opposite.

Joe Concepts

I always love how Quark is always seen as a competent businessman, even if he is often comic relief.

Joe Concepts

As I've said before, Quark is my favorite character!

Joe Concepts

Yes, the show can be darker and more serious than TNG at times. But as you see here, they still have some fun.

Keith S

I like it when someone who has appeared on TOS turns up in a later edition of Star Trek.

Joe Concepts

Yes, Josh is right! I am really tired of apparently every good moment in movie or TV being made up on the spot. It's most annoying because even when true, it is usually just not in the ORIGINAL script, and was kind of written during filming. That is NOT the same as improvising while acting in the scene.

Worf and Riker Ride Again

Nice one guys, I was especially looking forward to this one! It always cracks me up how Gowron just sits there in astonishment at Quark becoming a member of a powerful Klingon house. Does this mean Quark was temporarily a member of the high council?

Joe Concepts

By the way, did anyone hear Viggo Mortenson actually broke his toe...?

Tim Nikiforovs

And the way Gowron tossed the datapad in frustration

Matt Hansen

Josh & Alex: "Stop spoiling the guest actors in the opening credits." Star Trek: "Okay, okay, fine." Josh & Alex: "Gowron should have his own credit by now!" Star Trek: "WHY MUST YOU GIVE ME MIXED SIGNALS? CAN'T YOU JUST BE HAPPY?!" Lol. Just kidding you guys. I'm so happy you liked the episode, this is one of my comfort episodes. Just good to put on for a lark. Not to spoil anything, but I noticed you picked up on a different tone of this episode versus your standard TNG ones. All I'll say is that when DS9 experiments with other tones/genres, it commits to the bit. You are in for some future treats.

Actuarial Lurker

I'm an actuary- it's how everyone at work reacts to coworkers who are accountants or actuaries trying to explain the Company Financial statements and ledger accounts to them....

Summer

Now for something completely off topic, Josh your cat is always welcome on screen if he comes in the room. I like that slice of life with these videos

paultardspambot .

I don't think so. You can be a house leader without being a council member.

paultardspambot .

Talking about directors, it kind of annoys me how directors get all the credit for movies. I understand some times directors both direct and write the screenplay. But if a director makes a movie from a screenplay they didn't write, the writer naver seems to get any credit. Sure, a good story can be botched by bad execution. But it seems harder to "save" a bad script with good direction. It just seems to me like directors get the lion share of the credit but for movies where there was a separate or multiple script writers, you almost never hear about them. Maybe you guys do cause you pay attention to this sort of thing, but generally how many non director writers do you know of when it comes to movies? Always seemed unfair to me. When I briefly went to Pratt University (or whatever the name for it is, the Pratt Institute I think) I had an elective that was photography and she showed us a movie and spoiled it. People asked "Doesn't spoling the movie affect how we'll see it?" And she said "For me, I'm less interested in the story as how it's shown." While that might be true for some people who are really into film and photography, I think for most people, a movie is a medium to tell a story, and knowing what happens ahead of time is not the way they want to expereince it, because they see it as a form of story telling. I mention this because I feel it relates to the general point I'm making, that directors get too much credit if they didn't write the screenplay. This isn't really pertinent to DS9 or your commentary, it's something I thought about when you were talking about the directer of photography (I honestly don't know what hat is or how it differs from a director. I would guess it's someone who is responsible for managing the promotiona stills for an episode but it sounds like they are more invovled in the production then that.)

paultardspambot .

Looked it up, apparently the "D" in Ronald D. Moore stands for "Dowl."

Trent Bowles

Regarding the O'Briens, it is worth remembering what he said about her working on Bajor: he's only three hours away by shuttle. Like, while it'll change their marriage and their parenting a bit, that sort of distance is more of an inconvenience than anything. It's not like shipping Alexander off to Earth, where you're essentially saying to your kid "Okay, see you in six months!" He can basically visit on a whim. He can spend every weekend there if he wants (assuming a Chief on a space station gets weekends off). So it's not THAT big of a deal. I've known people with longer daily commutes to work lol

Randy Watson

Interesting points! Just wanted to give you my take as an avid cinephile and tv fan- in film, director is king. In television, the main showrunner (usually head writer) is king. This means on a film set, the director has complete power to change whatever the hell they want- they are the final word on every creative decision. On a tv show, a director is more like a hired gun that is brought in and whose sole job is to stick to the show’s script and stay on schedule. Usually that means they rely on the DP to tell them what’s typical for the show in terms of framing and shots but also have the freedom to collaborate and give their own ideas on how to capture the script. The DP on a tv show is very important! In many ways it is the main person in charge of everything typical with operating the camera- some directors may be more or less technical with how to set up shots and can very well just rely on their DP to translate their vision.

paultardspambot .

I don't think Gowron's forehead is actually bigger.

paultardspambot .

What Josh is saying may be true for alot of people, but Keiko was a civilian scientist who made it aboard the Federation flagship before she met O'Brien (by the way, how funny is it she became a major character from her first appearance as a minor character in Data's Day?). I feel like you have to be pretty hardcore to get on the flagship as a civilian scientist, they let families on board but not girlfriends so I don't think it was like she came onboard just because she was dating Chief. She agreed to go with him to DS9 when she was reassigned but Molly was younger then and she had the experience of the school. For someone like that (also, who knows in the future, but Japanese culture is pretty heavy on the work aspect of the work-life balance) it does seem like the prospect of sitting around all day raising a kid on a station that has seen a significant portion of its population leave would be depressing. And O'Brien is hella busy. You're right in that he recognized she wasn't happy and I think Bashir's right in that creating and tending to an arboretum wouldn't be a long term solution. It's not like they are breaking up, she's just going on an expedition to NBajor where it sounds like it's not a big deal for Chief to visit her. For two people who have chosen starfleet/federation careers, it seems like there would be an expectation that they'd have to spend sometime apart. In the TOS days, having a family was basically impossible. Allowing families on ships solved the problem partially of having to limit starship assignments to five year missions, but maybe that was a policy put in place by the gillworms. It seems foolish to have spouses and children aboard as Starfleet does serve as the Federation's primary military in addition to other things A person would almost certainly be influenced by the fate of their family, a lessom Picard learned all too well and his choice of not having a family to be a Starfleet captain is a major one. Kirk was married to his ship and that was part of the problem with being a father role to David (that was his son's name right?) Jennifer was a scientist I think, but we see how Sisko having his family aboard affected him. The idea of regularly seperating the saucer section was originally an idea that made some sense in terms of accomodating this, but they didn't wind up actually doing this, and the danger a ship faces may not be predictable. Every time there was some major crisis on the Enterprise-D I thought about it would affect the civilians and the children. In Genesis, they devolved and saw their parents devolved. They went nuts and saw theit parents go nuts in Night Terrors. Presumably they were all addicted to a mind control game that there parents would have ignored them for in The Game. They would have seen their imaginations coming to life in Where No One Has Gone Before. And how many times did they expereince battles where the Enterprise was at risk or ship wide disasters like in "Disaster." And I'm sure there are many other examples. I would like to see an episode where kids growing up on that ship deal with all the trauma they experienced. No wonder Alexander was such a mess. Of course the alternative is that no one in Starfleet, at least who serves aboard a starship, can have a family. I mean, I guess maybe other ships besides the flagships don't face the same level of danger consistently. But being aboard a starship is definitely not safe. Alex said he'd love to live aboard the Enterprise. I would find the first passage back to Earth (or Risa or Betazed). Sorry, got a little off track here. I understand what Josh is saying, and yes, couples have to be compatible on a number of levels, particularly when they have children. Like as Dan Savage said, if a couple isn't sexually compatible, it's not going to work. But for this couple, who met as part of their hardcore commitment to their careers, I think this makes sense. It's also looking at this from the lens of not wanting the woman to have to be the one who sacrifices her career for her husband's and stays home and takes care of the kid. And we've seen the quarters on DS9 and the station in general, it's really not the same as living at home with a kid on Earth. (yes, that far in the future, there would probably be direct brain interfaces for all kinds of entertainment, but that might be irresponsible if you have a kid.) On a different note, Keiko is taking Molly with her, I guess Molly was babysat by the neighbors I think they mentioned once when Keiko was doing the school. Ships have facilities for parents who are both working, which was part of the idea behind the school. But it is interesting two heavily career minded people decided to have a kid while on a ship. I guess that's just part of the way things operate when you're involved in starfleet.

Fedora The Explorar

I absolutely disagree with people who say DS9 is dark and gloom. There are more dark moments but it has a lot of really great levity and comedy and pure star trek moments.

Summer

I am glad Bashir like in the wire sees Keiko as his scientific peer as much as his friend’s wife

Worf and Riker Ride Again

Yeah I think the issue was that in TNG, Keiko was a top botanist on the flagship of the Federation. She would have been one of the top in her field. She then follows Chief to DS9 - a banged up old Cardassian station in a contentious area, and settles as a schoolteacher, and then even that is taken away from her. I never understood why so many in the fandom think Keiko was nothing but a nagging wife, Rosalind Chao does a truly excellent job at understanding and portraying the character.

Ryan Roach

It’s the funniest Trek show, imo. Especially in the later seasons

Ashley Sigmon

Yes, wouldn't it be nice if there were some really great Jake/Ben Sisko family episodes coming up? But who knows what the future might hold in this, the Year of Our Lord 1994.

paultardspambot .

:nothing like this in TNG" The Robin Hood Episode? Or the hated Captain's Holiday? Data's day? or the one where Data has a girlfriend?

paultardspambot .

I don't think it's JUST the plot stuff that makes season 3 better. It just.. is better. Like in all facets, what they do, they do it better, regardless of what type of episode it is. Season 2 was an upgrade over season 1 and season 3, like TNG, it just hits a groove it maintains throughout. Ron Moore coming over and the increased freedom from the higher ups losing interest are certainly factors. Like TNG, I think people generally agree season 6 is the best. Your point comparing this to Rivals is apt. Not that there aren't a few "meh" episodes. But even the few "meh" ones are better then the "meh" ones from the first 2 seasons. It isn't "boring." And probably, the reason many people appreciate the first 2 seasons after seeing the whole thing is falling in love with the characters and getting a chance to go back and see their early development. Its comparable to TNG quite a bit with its first two seasons vs the rest of the show in terms of quality. But I personally actually believe DS9 is the peak, though it benefits from the prior world building. We can appreciate the culture clash between the Klingons and the Ferengi because we have grown to understand those cultures. That's the kind of depth, not just the intergalactic politics, that fans are talking about. As Moore said, it was really a chance to take Trek and push it to the limits. I also share Moore's opinion about Voyager however, not just that it's bad but WHY it's bad. When the time comes I'll post his interview on that or a link to it. I'm not as down on later era trek as some, particularly Picard, but I do think this show is the peak.

Tim Nikiforovs

Sub Rosa is quite possibly the most soap opera Trek ever got

paultardspambot .

Recall Worf didn't grow up with Klingons. His version of Klingon culture is like someone who didnt grow up in the US and there exposure to Americs was Captain Americ comics (not my analogy) DS9 does a good job of exploring these cultures and their contradictions, including the Federation

paultardspambot .

Apparently Stephen Hawking visited the set of this episode. The invoking of the TNG episodes you mention was apparently deliberate; they had in mind the Karl Marx quote about history repeating itself as a farce. The actress who played Grilka was intimidated by the makeup process but Shimmerman helped her through it and the two had genuine chemstry. There is a deleted scene with Quark talking to Rom about running the bar while he's gone and staying away from the Dabo girls, after they cut from the conversation we see Rom with two Dabo girls on his arms where afterwards Quark shares his conerns about his bar with Grilka and she reminds him not to say anything when they are in the Great Hall and let her handle it which explains her frustration and easperation when he starts talking.

Tim Nikiforovs

I was saying on the discord that I think this episode is generally underrated, but if it's got over 8/10 on IMDB, I guess it's better liked than I thought. I agree it's not an S tier, but it really doesn't do anything of consequence wrong, and Grilka and Quark make a fun pair. Plus we get the O'Briens demonstrating marriage goals all over the place. Easy A. In regards to what you were saying about marriage/relationships taking precedence, I do agree. If you decide to spend your life with someone, everything else should be a means to an end to enrich your family and relationship. Like what's the point in working 90 hours a week to be a billionaire if your marriage falls apart and you wake up one day to realize your kids are adults and you missed their entire childhood? I saw this story years back where this young couple in their 20s essentially hit the lottery. The dude developed an app and sold it for like $26 million or something. They invested the money and just live off the returns, never touching the principal, just traveling all over the world with their kid on permanent vacation. No career, no achievement, no worrying about status, just putting 100% of their time and effort into their lives together. That's the dream. Now that said, If DS9 was orbiting Bajor still, I could absolutely see the O'Briens getting a house on the surface. Molly would have plenty of kids to make friends with, Keiko could work in her field and be home every night, and even if she wasn't going on expeditions, she at least have space to set up a garden or greenhouse to keep busy during the day and socialize with the neighbors. On the station, you've just got these drab cardassian quarters and very few civilians around. The only holosuites on the station have to be paid for, and even household chores likely only take a few minutes with 24th century conveniences. Sitting around with NOTHING to do and not even being able to go take a walk in the park and get some fresh air, that's going to get boring fast, which will in turn get depressing fast. Add to that Miles seems to work pretty long hours. Clearly she's happy for the effort he puts in, and it's not like she was blaming him or trying to upend his career. Do I think Keiko is so career focused that she couldn't do the stay at home wife deal? No, she's clearly committed enough to their marriage and family to make that work, but that's a big ask on DS9 with no community, no particularly family friendly entertainment, no nature, and nothing to keep her busy. Just sterile corridors and boredom. At least on the Enterprise there's a bunch of holodecks where she could take Molly to see any of a million tourist destinations, and other families onboard, and the ship would constantly be picking up botany samples from new planets. There's not a ton of that on the station. As for the A plot, not a ton to say except it's a fun story. Gowron cameos are always welcome, and I like that more and more we see klingons that demonstrate a little composure(Grilka and Tumek) as opposed to the typical drunken brawler types. Even with K'Ehleyr being half human, the table smashing scene was pushing this stereotype that every klingon just has this uncontrollable temper boiling below the surface. Even Worf going feral during the training session with Riker. Even in the scene where Quark wants to bail, she doesn't get angry, she doesn't threaten him, she's just disappointed. I prefer that portrayal of klingons, that they can be just as calm and rational as humans or vulcans, and it's more that they're just motivated by different values. That said, I don't think the kiss at the end was some flippant reward for Quark's help or to apologize for smacking him. I think he genuinely earned her respect by literally putting his neck on the line to save her house. Compared to the drunken gambler of a fool she was married to before, she probably saw Quark as more of a man in that moment than her former husband had been. Who knows, Quark might one day look back with regret that he asked for that divorce in the same way he regrets letting Natima go. But you know who doesn't have any regrets? Morn, that's who. There's a man who lives in the moment, and always has something interesting to say.

The Ninth Doctor

This one is a whole lotta fun. And a 'sitcom' concept that, I doubt, TNG could have done nearly as well as DS9. Love a good DS9 Ferengi ep!

Scarpad’s Domain

wow just finished part 2 of the search nice suprise, but because its a long wait till thursday i may sit on this for a bit

Target Audience

Great analysis. Best argument I’ve heard for Keiko going to Bajor. Still, selfishly as an audience member, I’m upset that this better situation for her will most likely be entirely off screen. We shall see.

Matchstick Jose

Rosalind Chao was on a DS9 podcast last week and dropped some info I had never heard, that she was actually offered a role as a regular on DS9 as the series was forming and she turned it down. Rick Berman was kind of stunned, pointing out to her how much money she was giving up, but she had just started a family and wasn’t willing to spend that much time away from them. Fascinating to think just how different the series might be if it had had to carve out an every-week role for Keiko. I wonder if that is what would have happened, or it would have been more like Jake Sisko, listed as a regular in the credits, but more like a recurring character in practice.

Kade Corwyn

This is such a fun episode. It also starts to paint Ferengi and Quark in question in more than just a one dimensional shade. Strange bedfellows is the name of this outing, and personally this is when Quark really started to grow on me. He's true to himself always as a Ferengi, but he's also got a heart of gold pressed latinum!

Forbidden Donut

This episode is a good example of why I appreciate Deep Space Nine for occasionally building on things that we already knew from TOS or TNG. You don't need to know it, but it's more satisfying and layered if you do.

Forbidden Donut

Ever since I was made aware of this, I now appreciate the 'this character only had one scene this episode' stuff because apparently that was often done to give the actor another residual check. Either that, or it just happens to be a sweet week for that actor, to get a bit of a break but still get some $.

NotlobParrot

Wish I'd seen your sensible idea before I immediately watched S3E3 lol. Now I must wait an eternity until Thursday,.

Forbidden Donut

So, if I'm understanding correctly, we should feel no shame for liking Masks, but we should, however, feel shame if we like the Defiant. Lol

DthDisguise

This is it! THIS is the episode I point to as the moment they reformed the Ferengi. This episode put Quark up against the Klingons, the most diametrically opposed culture to the Ferengi, and it shows how Ferengi can fight be brave just as much as the "warrior" race.

Zenlike Creature

Thanks for spoiling us with an earlier than planned episode! This is a great episode which I thoroughly enjoy. It's great to focus on a couple of the supporting characters for a change and the main plot line is good fun. It's nice to flesh out some of the other cultures in Star Trek beyond what TNG has already done, with a touch of humour as well. Watching Quark trying to take Gowron through financial dealings is brilliant. Good to see you both enjoyed this episode, too. Look forward to the next instalment with you guys.

Who North America

It remains one of my favorite episodes of all Star Trek episodes BECAUSE it is so UNEXPECTED. This is NOT the story you expect, but when you're done, this is the story you always wanted!

Ryan Caulfield

I don't recall having seen this episode before, but what a fun ride! Quark and Grilka had real good chemistry together, and the ending with Rom wanting to hear Quark's story again was a touching moment. I also liked the O'Briens subplot more than I thought I would as well. I really appreciate that giving Keiko an arboretum was not the solution, the episode went a bit deeper than that. Turning a profession into a hobby might work in the short-term, but that would be too self-contained, too insular. I think you need outward impact and meaning as well. Going on that expedition will allow her to put her expertise to practical use, to be valued in that way, and it was very heartening for the Chief to recognize that. Also, Keiko has always respected his career and it was nice to see him do the same for her. Kind of a nice bookend to the scene of Quark getting respect from Rom. Definitely an unexpected A of an episode for me.

Jeff McCoy

I just now thought about this, but in the pilot when they moved the station to the wormhole away from Bajor, it took about a minute. So, why is a trip back to Bajor from the station now taking 3 hours? The Bajoran TSA must be painfully thorough.

Laura Thornley

Love this episode for all the lore about Klingon culture sprinkled in with the fun plot.

Laura Thornley

I think it has something to do with safety regulation on travel within a populated star system. DS9's movement was an emergency manoeuvre done at unsafe speeds (especially considering its a space station!) at warp equivalent speeds. Normally ships restrict themselves to impulse inside star systems to avoid striking objects that are more numerous then in intergalactic space (especially other ships), with warp travel being reserved for emergencies. That's the only reason I can think of.

Ken R

You don't have to build and build a character to then put them into a serious situation. "Charlie X" and "Naked Time" was what, the third and fourth episodes of TOS? If they write a good serious episode you just are invested.

Numinous2019

Maybe ST characters should have the stardate of their birth added to their names. Civilisations occupying significant parts of the galaxy would have every name equivalent to our own John Smith.

Nolan

I mean, I've posted about ad-libs not being in the scripts because I listen to commentaries and read up about the things I watch and they specifically point that out. Edward James Olmos pulls that kinda stuff all the time.

Nolan

Alex and Josh walking out of this episode with "Man, all these Klingons look alike" rhetoric. 🙃

Nolan

... fuck

Laura Thornley

With Klingons its hard to tell how old they can live until, since culturally they glorify dying as a warrior and being infirm is seen as a fate worse then death. But for sure Kor and the other Dehar Masters we see made it until their 120's while still physically fit so its not hard to assume they live a bit longer then Humans (and based on what we were told by Worf's adoptive parents and with Alexander, Klingons also grow up a bit faster then humans). Vulcans seem to have a similar growing up phase to Humans but seemingly can live until around 300 in some cases. Based on what I can gather Humans are about average in the grand scheme of things, with most species having a similar life cycle (with some extreme exceptions like with the Q).

Summer

I predict major spoilers when this goes to YouTube

Jonathan Llyr

"Qapla' to you too" may be my favourite line of Season 3. God I love Quark!

beanKounter

As an accountant, seeing spreadsheets existing into the future leaves me with all the feels.

Nolan

Worf the 2nd. Unless it's a Worf, son of Mogh, Son of Worf, Son of Mogh, son of Worf, son of Mogh, thing. ... Could they have gotten away with Dorn playing Mogh in ST6?

Target Audience

Wasn’t talking about comments here, but about in general on the internet

Back Flip Bet

Oldest documents found are Babylonian spreadsheets about cow and wheat sales

Back Flip Bet

I wonder if they are fit because they are Klingons or are they still strong because they are combat masters. Is a 120 year old Klingon ship builder walk around with a limp?@

Jeff McCoy

They should have just changed the gravitational constant of the universe.

Loot Narsbaar

What if Colonel Worf 's father was also named Mogh

BN13

I actually like thet they didn't make a big deal about Gowron being in this episode. Part of the fun of this episode is the whole thing is Gowron's 10:45. Up until now we've only seen Gowron when major Klingon stuff is going down. I can see him being featured if we were getting another major Klingon episode, but in something like this, I think it's fun that he's just kind of there when he's not the main focus and is just doing a day in the life of his job.

Philbot

I think this is one of Gowrons more honorable moments! He tends to be less than honorable.. In unification after the Klingon civil war they said he was rewriting history to downplay the federations assistance and glorify himself. In redemption Worf tried to break up a fight between Gowron and a dissenter and Gowron took the moment to kill the guy. He would have gladly killed the fake Khaless who as a shitty clone wasn’t as good a fighter he almost lost to Worf. Worf had to step in and save the clone.

Philbot

Klingons are weird.. Couldn’t Grilka have beat her brother in laws ass? The women are warriors, Worf said Klingons appreciated strong women, yet they can be sexist, women can’t sit on the council..

Nolan

Oh, I know. I just am ALSO one of those commenters on the internet. 😅🤣

BN13

With that last take, 1) I'm pretty sure Kahy'Lar didn't belong to any Klingon house. 2) If she did have a house and Worf killed her husband, Worf's dishonor would still follow him. It would either become the house of Worf, or they might not even let him head a house due to his discommendation.

HeatheЯ

Really excited you liked this one. I love how DS9 can pull off fun episodes and tragedy eps as well. Love this show.

Malamute

Solid A. Thats all i got without spoilers. Glad ya'll enjoyed it. Even all these years later, i always remember this episode. So thats a solid A.

Philbot

With Alexander’s growth I think Klingons grow like puppies? 🐕

Philbot

I feel like almost every Klingon ever is like Biscuits! Even Kenton some extent maybe the most nuanced take was from Brian Thompson.

Jill Barker

I adore this episode. Love Quark explaining finances to the Klingons. Superb.

Tim Nikiforovs

Given this is over 100 years after TOS, I'd say 140-150 at least

Jay Field

I think the big disconnect you guys are having on Keiko and her work vs Keiko and her marriage is a matter of setting/worldbuilding perspective: 1) Keiko was a civilian botanist who was awarded a special science position on the USS Enterprise. Think about that for a second: she was such a good and respected and passionate private sector scientist that Starfleet allowed her to go on a deep space exploratory mission on their FLAGSHIP. And THEN she met Miles O'Brien, fell in love, got married, and followed him in his military career. Prior to that point though, botany MUST have been more than a hobby or just a job, it was her LIFE, or she never would have been assigned such a prestigious posting. And, more to the point . . . . 2) From everything they've said, numerous times in previous Trek episodes and even noted in a movie here and there, it's the 24th century: people don't HAVE "jobs" because Federation life is "perfect," and there is no "money," there are no civilian economics (in spite of the continued use of latinum by non-Federation entities). Humans don't work for money or material possessions or survival anymore, they work because they WANT to. It's portrayed as an entirely shifted societal perception, humans are raised to value themselves and their interests and betterment and the betterment of all. So when someone goes out to become a botanist, they didn't do it as a job, as a way to make money, and mostly not as a matter of status and influence, everyone is supposedly doing what they love purely because that IS their whole identity and passion and spirit, they ARE actually working for their central core meaning and purpose. Now, whether you think that's a realistic take on future humans (and yeah, it probably ISN'T), that's a fair point, but at least in-universe, it actually DOES make sense that Keiko has a much stronger connection to being a botanist than it just being a job, and it might just rival her devotion to her marriage, because in the Star Trek setting, we are at least told that IS the evolved sensibility humans have developed, putting personal/intellectual/professional development and advancement for both self and community as first and foremost.

Todd

You guys always say things in your after episode discussion that make it really tough to keep our mouths shut. Alex mentioned a Quark episode and here we are.

SetsunaYuki

I forgot how funny this episode was. Also as to the music, the main DS9 composer had another obligation to the studio.

Loot Narsbaar

In addition to that Bajor could be on the other side of the solar system rn

Loot Narsbaar

The best season is season 3 through 7

Miranda

Keiko being a botanist isn't just a "job". She undoubtedly has a PhD in Botany. She went through years and years of training. She's probably published a dissertation on it. This is a career. She had a prestigious career as a botanist on the flagship of the Federation. Bashir is exactly the correct character to be delivering this bit of wisdom because he is a doctor. That isn't a "job". He did years of extra training on top of the regular Starfleet Academy training. He's told us in the past that his relationship with his ballerina girlfriend ended because he wanted this post on DS9. And Miles can easily understand this, because he's an engineer who was willing to uproot his family in order to pursue a greater opportunity in his career. (Keep in mind, he knew Keiko would lose her prestigious botany post, but he prioritized his career.)

Target Audience

I understand it isn’t a “job” but even in this future universe of the show, I would hold the opinion that your marriage is more important. However, Timothy made a compelling argument below about how it actually could be better for her marriage to go to Bajor than remain on the station.

Target Audience

I understand it isn’t a “job” but even in this future universe of the show, I would hold the opinion that your marriage is more important. However, Timothy made a compelling argument below about how it actually could be better for her marriage to go to Bajor than remain on the station.

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

What you have to understand is that at the time... (yeah I know) ...we were approaching the height of the progressive ideal of a woman being the pursuit of her career, and to define herself by that career (in the same way men were). And you can see that in every single female character, be it Picard's piano crush, to Troi and Beverley who never even considered a relationship that would in any way require any change in their career or its trajectory; either a relationship had to be fully compatible with nothing changing in their life (like with Worf), or they would be open to radical change only as a literary device to portray them as being out of their mind (ie Sub Rosa, Man of the People, etc) The writers realized that Keiko was an outlier and decided to 'correct' that 'mistake'. You can't have a woman sacrificing her career to choose to be a stay at home mom in the 90s. In their minds, if this was 'realistic' Keiko would actually be silently miserable, and the Chief being deaf to that would make him a bad husband, so they needed to correct asap by having Miles solve the 'problem' by sacrificing home life and them being together so she can have a career again. It's kinda nuts. Imagine deciding you'd rather not see your spouse for a week at a time so you can un-pause a career. Crazy priorities. Let's just have Molly never see her father for a week at a time so mom can have a career too. Wild. Keiko could have turned the promenade into green space by filling it with planters and exotic forms of Alpha and Gamma Quadrant fauna for everyone to enjoy. But nah.

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

It shows why Gowron is the head of the Klingon Empire - he's a politician. And a good one. He let things go back and forth in a way that wasn't objectionable until he saw a moment that he could exploit with complete consensus and played those cards. Had Quark never shown up he would have ruled the opposite. Truth doesn't matter, manufacturing consent does. Pure politics.

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

If you look at column 'J' F***ing Excel following me home to haunt my weekend leisure

Miranda

Yes, I read Timothy's comment and he's absolutely correct. Whilst DS9 is technically a civilian station, it is essentially a military base. It isn't a functional city where she would have options. She'd just be sitting around. Molly doesn't even have other children around. But I'm also saying that no one has a problem with Miles choosing to prioritize advancing his career, and trading his wife's career for that. Because it is his CAREER. But apparently there is an expectation that women should just be fine with being stay at home mothers.

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

Yup, we have had hints, but this depicts a proper 'Ferengi' solution to a 'Klingon' problem for a 'Human' audience. Ferengi culture has arrived; they have their own approaches and it is just as valid. (I think Quark's speech to the Vulcan in Maquis probably counts as the first good example though)

Miranda

Anyway, I quite like this episode. I like how it shows how Ferengi beliefs and Klingon beliefs, which seem diametrically opposed, can actually work together. I think Quark is a fantastic character in this. The writing lets us see several different parts of his personality. I think Shimmerman and Mary Kay Adams have great chemistry. I love the scenes with Gowron and the Council. It is very hard for Star Trek to pull off a comedy episode, but I think this one really works.

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

"no nature, and nothing to keep her busy. Just sterile corridors and boredom" Drove me nuts that Keiko arrives on day one and her first thought is a school, and not that she'll line the Promenade with planters filled with beautiful and exotic flora from all over the quadrant, which she will meticulously care for like a Boothby in space.

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

One of the original comedic gags of the Jettsons (in their idyllic future life filled with ease and leisure) was about how taken aback they were at any inconvenience that to normal day would feel like luxury - "Boss is making me work TWO days this week! In addition to the extra 30 minutes on my two hour shift!!" I imagine a three hour commute to them is akin to hearing how your great great grandmother regularly spent a week in transit across the atlantic every other summer to bring her children to visit her family (which was considered an enormous privilege she was grateful for), yet you can't be bothered to hop on a plane for a two hour flight to visit the inlaws because any time you have to go the airport it turns into an 'all day affair'. 3 hours?? Listen if I can't just transport up and down you might as well be in the Gamma Quadrant with a collapsed wormhole buddy

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

By the comments, it feels like 99% of patrons are unmarried They don't get it

Summer

That is part of the reason but even then when starting DS9 I would have crafted something for her that would have nade Rosalind Chao interested in being there every day

Summer

😉😹😹😹

Target Audience

Idk if chief had any choice in his assignment, but if he did, then yes, they should have also put their marriage first and made that decision together. Unfortunately, that happened basically off screen and there wasn’t an episode plot about it to prompt a discussion, but my opinion would be the same regardless of it’s the man or woman.

Target Audience

Do you mean The Game or the season 1 one with the speech? I could see an argument for The Game, but that episode was bad so maybe a bad sitcom lol

Target Audience

His name should’ve been Michael Dorn. I mean why not, it could happen!

Miranda

Did Miles prioritize his marriage over his career when he took the post on DS9, a place where he knew Keiko would have no work? Why is it okay for him to prioritize his career, but Keiko is supposed to prioritize her marriage by being a stay at home mom? And if your answer is "she's a woman" then I have nothing left to say to you.

Some Guy

As someone pursuing a science career who is currently letting that delay him joining his partner in a long distance relationship... These things happen.

Jay Field

Oh, don't get my commentary wrong, I don't inherently AGREE that either the showrunners'/Bashir's perspective on the situation is accurate, and that she was totally right to put her job first and the marriage on the side-burner. I'm just saying, it does fall into the canonical mindset the Star Trek universe has generally set up for human social norms. Hell, it ESPECIALLY falls in line with the canonical mindset of most Starfleet personnel. (See also: Riker/Deanna, Picard/Beverly or Picard/Cmdr Nella Darren, Spock/T'Pring, Kirk/too many women to count . . . . *LOL* ) That said, while I'm SURE it's not for most people, I have known couples who were self-aware, stable, trusting, and confident enough in their marriage that they did live and work semi-long distance, and just cohabitated on weekends. Granted, I'll totally acknowledge they also didn't have kids like Keiko and Miles (which would definitely be MY personal objection to such an arrangement), but I've seen distance marriages work just fine. Definitely not for everyone, though. Just saying, in the Trek universe (or, at the very least, in Starfleet), prioritizing career over relationship/marriage tends to be the norm rather than the outlier. So I'm just not surprised Julian suggested it, O'Brien totally agreed with it, and Keiko accepted it. It just seems to be a common mindset that we lowly 21st century humans just don't connect with. **chuckle**

Summer

Yes the writers could have done better with Keiko

cricketlenny

To your point of “You aren’t your Job” on not aligning with Bashir’s point, you’re not wrong in the context of today, but in the context of the Federation, you don’t have to work since money doesn’t exist and they are post scarcity. That being said, a job is essentially an advanced hobby, so there’s a bit more to the fulfillment aspect here than if it were just a way to make ends meet.

Briz Braz the Wiz Waz

Excellent points, I'd never considered that the O'briens expected the station to be in orbit of Bajor when they signed up to move there. Keiko might have imagined being part of getting Bajor's ecosystem back online post occupation.

Miranda

In Season 1, "A Man Alone" Keiko and Miles discuss this. They're actually arguing about it on the Promenade. O'BRIEN: We made the decision together. KEIKO: Not true. That's not true. You decided and asked me to agree with it. Later in that episode: O'BRIEN: Look, I'm willing to ask for a transfer if that'll make you happy. KEIKO: That's not fair either. You'd have to give up your promotion. O'BRIEN: Not necessarily. KEIKO: I wish I knew the right thing to do. I'm just lost here. Starfleet doesn't need a botanist on this station. O'BRIEN: Keiko, there's a whole new quadrant on the other side of the wormhole, full of new plant life to explore. KEIKO: And ships going to explore it and I'm not on any of them.

MJBull

For in universe reasons, it would seem there should be enough for a botanist to do with integrating Bajoran scientific findings in botany with the Federation's. That Keiko has nothing to work on makes little sense.

MJBull

O'Brien must suffer...in mundane ways this time. Kudos to Gowron respecting Quark's mode of honor and courage. Speaking of "game", Quark has it.

MJBull

It is something of a plot hole that Rom and Quark did not want Nog to learn to read. How do you keep a ledger without being able to read? It is speculated the ancient Sumerians developed their writing specifically to keep warehouse records.

MJBull

Kor , Kang & Koloth were old men in a species where men die young.

Matchstick Jose

Fun scene from the script that didn’t make the episode (no doubt cut for run time) that addresses whether anyone noticed Quark was gone. ROM Oh... hello, brother. QUARK That's it? "Hello, Brother"? I've been gone for three days, and that's all you have to say? ROM I was... worried. Then I remembered what you said about not prying into your private matters. So I didn't tell anyone about your... sudden absence. QUARK (irritated) Well, I'm on the Klingon homeworld. (beat) And I'm married. Rom doesn't even blink at this news. ROM Congratulations. (continuing, hopeful) So... does this mean you won't be coming back? QUARK I am definitely coming back... (glances at Grilka) It may take some time, that's all. Now listen to me: stay away from the dabo girls. ROM Absolutely. QUARK I mean it. They'll promise you anything, Rom... they'll say they love you... that you're the most handsome Ferengi since Daimon Orok... but they only want one thing: your latinum. ROM Don't worry about a thing, Brother. I won't even look at them. (quickly) Well, you're probably eager to begin your married life, so I won't keep you. Give my best to your bride and stay in touch. Rom turns away from the monitor with a smile on his face as two gorgeous DABO GIRLS slip into his two outstretched arms. ROM (to girls) Now, where were we?

Dark Kronis

nice to see Klingon justice being used honorably for once

MJBull

So that says Rosalind Chao gave up a plum career opportunity in order to be with her family instead of on DS9 as a regular, so the showrunners excuse her lack of appearances to Keiko choosing career over family. If that is true, it seems a bit of passive-aggressive dickery on their part.

MJBull

Worf, growing up, had a "world of cardboard" incident playing sports on Earth with human children. That explains a lot about how restrained he is compared to other Klingons.

Nolan

My cousin is a pilot with a wife and 3 kids. He's often not home for stretches at a time. They're fine. Just last week I read about how in Japan it's quite normal for fathers ti work overseas for most of the year to provide for their family. Personally if I were married and not worried about providing, I'd be around all the time, but it seems views on Marriage are both shaped by personal outlook and societal norms.

Erik L Jerks

I think a big thing is that when Chief signed off for the job, the station was in orbit of Bajor and could be beamed down to. Keiko could have easily worked on the planet. Then with the wormhole and the station moving, there were potential exobiology expeditions through the wormhole. Now the hostilities, and there's nothing left.

Erik L Jerks

I think you guys have Klingon face blindness.

Avaria

Also, Bajor is 3-5 hours away from the station, so the equivalent in the US is working in the next county over not another country or continent. If it felt too distant, they probably could have easily made adjustments. They were probably talking on comms most days; not the same, but not the far side of the moon, either.

Avaria

I suspect Nog could read Ferengi, but probably not anything else (maybe a bit of Cardassian). Which is all you'd need if your uncle thought the highest position you'd ever hold would be stock-boy.

Target Audience

No one is saying "she's a woman." You are the only one saying that, lol. If Keiko didn't want Miles to take the job, then he shouldn't have taken the job. Again assuming that Miles did have a choice. He is in Starfleet so I am not sure how exactly those things go.

Carlisle Richards

Never. EVER buy into the DS9 vs. TNG BS. Just be refreshed that it went in a different direction.

Joe Concepts

Gowron is one of those character who seems to vary depending on the writer. He seemed pretty accepting of the Kahless situation, for example. But he was being pragmatic in that case.

Joe Concepts

It helps to have lots of context and history of Klingons to see just how disrespectful it was of Quark to say "Son of whatever." I also like how proudly he says his own father's name, which is also the first time we hear it, I assume. It reminds me of the little moment in Star Trek 3 when Bones calls himself "son of David," when in the middle of the Vulcan ceremony.

Callum Roberts

I’m glad you guys liked this one. It’s rightfully considered a classic. An A is a completely fair assessment.

Back Flip Bet

They should make transporter relay stations between Bajor and DS9 so your pattern is passed along so the journey is seconds not 3 hours.

jon bolton

I predict during your Christmas break your Season 3 predictions Quark marrying a Klingon, or seeing crazy eyes Gowron weren't on your bingo card😂

jon bolton

This gets A from me!

jon bolton

I'm surprised during the credits you didn't immediately recognise the name of the actor who plays Gowron, but obviously i'm glad you didn't so it was a surprise to the point of wondering if it was him ...until you got a look at the eyes😂

jon bolton

You referenced again your dislike of Rivals, which i personally like, even though i much prefer this one, i don't know if other people mentioned this, i forgot to at the time, the actor who played Quark's rival in that starred in 2 famous 80s horrors, the main vampire in Fright Night, and the main cop in Child's Play. I know that's irrelevant to you liking the episode, but just saying who you might have seen the actor as a few years earlier.

jon bolton

I actually agree with both of you regarding what Julian said to Chief. While i completely understand his point of view and Chief's, and Keiko's. I'm entirely like you, and it completely mirrors something crazy i'm in the middle of doing now, in leaving behind everything i know to move to a new country to be with the woman i love to start a brand new life and start a family (don't worry it's moving from England to America so i'll still be subscribed lol).

Paul Rymer

I’m glad you like Keiko as much as i do.

Paul

The House of Chad O'Brien. Also, for whatever reason, I find the scene of Gowron trying to make sense of financial data and tossing the tablet to the side with his eyes transfixed on Quark to be stupendously hilarious every time I see it lol. I always forget it on rewatches, almost choked on my Dr. pepper this time. Great fun episodic break from a more serialized run the past few episodes, easy A tier.

Paul

Good luck to you on your love adventure Jon

jon bolton

Thanks, i think i'll need it. Though i got a nice surprise earlier when my fiancee said she was going to visit for Valentine's weekend

Martin Bohnet

Fun fact: "Quark" is German for "curd cheese". "House of curd cheese" - what a title...

Martin Bohnet

I think the mistake you make when comparing your jobs to Keiko being a botanist is, that in the Federation society you don't have to work to make a living - you do what you're passionate about, that's a whole different motivation - I'm thinking about switching to another job (if I get it), paying likely half as much financially, but so much more in purpose. My partner actually supports me in the attempt, despite me bringing in the main income of the household.

Martin Bohnet

As books are non-canon I guess it's safe to say there's a book called "The lives of Dax", providing a chapter closed in itself for every host, and many tie into other stories and characters we know. don't touch it before DS9 is through though.

Gary Willig

Considering that Kai Winn was behind the bombing of Keiko's school in the season 1 finale, the Chief and Keiko would have a pretty big problem with her. Gowron seemingly not having anyone on staff who could look at the financial records Quark provided to verify them makes you wonder how the Klingon Empire functions at all.

Skye Maidstone

I forgot about this episode completely. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Man, Star Trek used to be so good. sigh.

Comrade of Chaos

The people on Gowron's staff have people on their staffs

Prof Moff

DS9 sex scoreboard catch up version Puke...... but someone had to bom-a-bom. And that is …. The chick that doinked quark. Issue is Quark is the kirk/Riker of DS9. I realized why I HATED DS9 is I HATE Feringi. BUT whatever…..good choice…. That F as the sex god. Good luck DS9 The sex score board Quark 5 +1 Jadzia 2 Chief 1 Keiko 1 Odo 1 Kira 1 Bashir 1 GUEST: Whoever klingonchick +1