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UNCUT - Star Trek: Generations (1994) | Star Trek Journey 337 (Patreon)

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Jonathon Tsagris

oh wow, is this a day earlier than normal even for early access!? what a treat.

Summer

Not liking Trek as a movie and not being a movie person most of the Trek movies get a B, Voyage Home gets an A, this can have a B. Maybe I will like it better after this. I hope the YouTube moderators had a good break, next month YouTube will be insane with 75% spoilers. I can accept Kirk dying I guess, but Picard’s family being killed is wrong and the movie feels long. But I do like several moments especially the first twenty minutes.

Marcus BlueSky

It's finally here. Thank you, guys. Looking forward to it! Wonder what the warning is about !?! Anyway thank you in advance for caring about our well-being.

Jonathon Tsagris

I'm a bit of an outlier when it comes to this movie. So many people don't like it 'Because it feels like just a high budget 2 part episode of the show' but to me this is precisely why it's so great. That being said I actually don't think I've rewatched this since the 90s so I'm actually excited to see if it has actually held up or if it's just childhood nostalgia. I know as an Adult I like TMP a lot more than I did when I first saw it; and I like 2-6 less to varying degrees (even 10 year old me knew that V was hot garbage though). You guys got me to change my opinion on VI.

Trekkie74205

I have always liked Generations. Maybe more than a lot of people. I could list major issues (why didn't Picard choose to come out of the Nexus at an earlier point in time when Soran would be easier to apprehend and do less damage?). I could list ways to vastly improve the movie (it should have been Edith Keeler as Kirk's fantasy instead of "Antoniya"). I could say it wasn't the best death for Kirk. None of it changes the fact that I like this movie. Ron and Brannon did the best they could under studio mandated restrictions. Any original cast members could only appear in the first 15 min, with Kirk allowed to return at the end. The Klingons had to be used. There had to be some sort of time travel element. Leonard Nimoy was offered to direct but said the script needed a major overhaul. He was told they didn't have time and were happy with what they had. So, he declined to be in the movie, which probably influenced DeForest Kelley declining as well. Undiscovered Country represent! The Bird of Prey explosion was lifted out of Star Trek 6. You can't keep a good movie down. lol LLAP

Ramen Nudels

Just blame everything you dont like on rick berman cause it was probably his idea. If ever a movie deserves a b its this

The Ninth Doctor

Growing up in a broken home, this ship and crew were my family. 11 year old me seeing this film was heartbreaking, but it taught me that change is life. Even if its hard. Without change, we can't grow beyond ourselves. Picard losing his brother and nephew, losing Kirk, losing the Enterprise-D, Data becoming more human and the crew losing their home... and yet, change drives us to be better. The film may not be perfect, but it's lesson to me on change is one I keep with me always.

Collin Freeman

Teeing up the special edition DVD. Looking forward to what you guys think of this film.

Biggysteve

Whoopie Goldberg was an Oscar winner by this time and chose not to have billing in the credits so the rest of the cast could shine in their first movie outing.

Brendon Waldron

Ya know, I never noticed how slow as shit some of these movies are until I watch somebody else watch them...

Vina

I was an 80s kid so the movie store had VHS only, and I don't really recall any posters or standees but some videotape cover art which always popped out to me was for the movies Repo Man and Ghoulies

Sir, This is A Quark's.

1 hour 15 minutes and 31 years later... Alex nails the assignment. 😆🤣🥰🖖

Yannik M.

Captain on the bridge... I mean: Bridge on the Captain

Darren

A laundry list movie that never quite comes together nonetheless I can’t help but love it.

Chris Nunnally

I love this movie. I'll be turning 47 this year and the theme of mortality hits me harder each year, especially Picard's regretting his choice of not marrying or having children. So much loss and grief throughout the movie, but Data finding Spot alive and well at the end was a life-affirming moment the movie needed. The score is one of the best in any Star Trek movie, especially after the "wallpaper music" of the later seasons. The movie is a visual feast and the crash of the saucer section is one of the last great practical effects sequences in movies. I'll never forget seeing this in the theater opening weekend the silence in the room when the saucer settled and then everyone breaking out in applause. I don't care about the plot holes, I just love this movie.

Call ‘Em Greg

I hear that’s a big hit at the conventions. IYKYK

Dark Kronis

something i found funny is at the end where Picard is getting his family book, he pick up the Kurlan artifact from the chase that he fanboy over and said was super rare then he dump it back on the ground and leave it in the wreckage,for shame Picard for shame

Brendon Waldron

No, you have to understand, now that we've got past this one, the movies REALLY start!

Terminaldogma01

The reuse of Star Trek VI bird of prey sequences(especially its destruction) was really distracting to me. The movie was okay. It definitely could be tightened up as far as pacing.

Collin Freeman

The concept and writing of this movie started 2 years before it came out. They had only a few weeks to write All Good Things from start to finish.

Collin Freeman

You hit the nail on the head Josh and many of us agree: the whole Nexus ribbon thing was confusing, not interesting, and All Good Things was more interesting than this story.

Keith S

The writers and directors were doing this movie and the All Good Things episode at the same time. Was really quite an effor for them. Turns out they liked how the series finale came outn better than the movie.

Collin Freeman

Fun fact: the cast had 10 days between finishing filming All Good Things and starting filming on Generations.

Vina

This isn't my favorite Trek or even TNG movie in terms of plot, but I think it has for me the best moments and most emotional impact in it of any Trek movie, from Picard's loss and getting at least a little slice of joy in the nexus, to Kirk's death, Data finding Spot, and basically the whole Enterprise-B scene just getting one last visit with our old friends.

Tim Nikiforovs

So I know this has been up for a couple days on the bridge crew server and I could have watched it, but it's been a busy week so I didn't have time till now. Guys, loved the reaction. This made my Saturday morning. The double "oh shit" had to be the best moment. Just a fun time all around. This movie really is the definition of "mixed reactions". Kirk's death, Picard not going back to an earlier point to stop Soran, and the Enterprise getting taken out the way it was are pretty much universal complaints, but people weight them very differently in comparison to the rest of the film. If nothing else, I think you gotta admit the cinematography is stunning most of the time. Loved all the close up shots of the 1701-D, and in fact the one shot you pointed out that was lifted straight from the show stands out like a sore thumb with how brightly the ship is lit and also lower resolution, but all the original shots are gorgeous. Even the darker interior lighting works for me. I love the orange glow of Amargosa on the hull and shining through the ready room window. But then I'm a dark mode kind of guy through and through, so I'd probably have my ship lit like that if I were captain. It's funny that the reason they killed off the D was because they felt it wasn't properly suited to the big screen, and frankly I think this movie shows how wrong they were about that. I also like seeing the uniforms in transition, but having Frakes borrow Avery's uniform and LeVar borrow Colm's when clearly neither fit properly wasn't the best choice. Could probably have got away with Gates borrowing Terry's costume. Still, while I do like the DS9 uniforms and I think they look very comfortable, I do think the TNG uniforms are a better look on the big screen. The opening sequence is a fun time. It's so confusing at first why this random bottle of champagne is just floating through space, and as soon as you see that NCC-1701-B it just clicks. I get the criticisms that Chekov and Scotty's lines were(with some exceptions like Chekov spouting off some Russian) clearly written as Spock and McCoy's, and it would have elevated Kirk's "death" so much if the whole TOS cast had been there for the Ent-B sequence. Nice seeing Sulu had a family though, adding that bit of continuity to the original cast. Though the older I get, and never having been one of the "cool kids", the more Chekov's "I was never that young" line hits. As for how Harriman got command of an Enterprise? Like, cmon, is that even a question? Obviously his mom or dad is an admiral. Guys, you know how starfleet works at this point, I shouldn't have to explain this😆. But seriously I do think Harriman is a bit overly maligned. This was just supposed to be a ceremonial engine test, the ship has a skeleton crew and half the systems aren't installed yet, and he's got a dozen reporters shoving cameras into his face while he's in the presence of living legends and childhood heroes. And yet, when nobody else can respond, he still steps up, and when he realizes he's out of his depth, he defers to Kirk's experience. Yeah, he's green, but I think he has potential. Clearly Kirk did as well when he offered to take care of the deflector. Worf's promotion was a fun sequence. There's never really any indication on the show that this ceremony was a thing, and Thine Own Self sells it more as "congrats, here's your pip". I love how serious and judgmental Riker sounds reading off the "charges" though. You know he got a kick out of that, especially with how tight he and Worf are. I get that it feels a bit cheap or expedient to just kill off Picard's brother and nephew like that, but I do love the exploration of mortality and family and legacy that it led to. Likewise I agree that in and of itself I find the nexus plot to be fairly uninteresting, but as a tool to explore Picard and to an extent Kirk's characters it serves it's purpose. Yes we can talk about how Antonia should have been Edith or Carol, or how Picard's wife should have been Nella(I even made a take about that). I guess you could say Crusher as well, but Nella would be more appropriate given they were in an actual relationship. But I think the Nexus segment, while perhaps a bit short, is effective in exploring what tempts both Kirk and Picard, and why despite Guinan's warning, they are both able to reject it. Kirk dreaming about being able to hop on a horse and just ride across the countryside, far from civilization speaks to the same hunger for rugged independence Picard expressed to Riker in regards to the age of sail. Not weighed down by schedules and orders and obligations. Kirk's quiet life in the mountains with Antonia and his dog Butler is clearly looking back in a nostalgic way(can't help but think if Merritt Butrick had still been alive he would have imagined David showing up, though I know that would have ruined the movie for you guys😄). Meanwhile Picard's fantasy of having a family is looking forward, with the exception of Rene being there. Both however on some level clearly desire something beyond being "captain of the Enterprise". That at some point they've done enough and should be able to settle down. But Picard seeing the supernova in the Christmas ornaments, remembering that his crew died along with an entire civilization, he knows he can't let that stand. When he tells his "son" to go on without him, I believe it's because he knows if he goes into that room, he may not be able to tear himself away from the fantasy. His sense of duty and responsibility is too strong. With Kirk, he's always been a man that needed to live on the edge. He got too restless in retirement and gave up a relationship to go back to starfleet. For a moment he's tempted to undo that decision, but when he realizes none of it matters, that there's no chance of getting it wrong, it all seems hollow. His line to Harriman that "risk is part of the game if you wanna sit in that chair" harkens back to IMHO Kirk's best speech. If he's not risking it all to make a difference, is he really living? Could Picard have put up more of a fight? Could Kirk's death have been more epic? Could a few klingon henchmen for them to overcome have helped sell the sequence? Sure, I guess, but that's fairly nitpicky stuff to me. Patton was one of the most renowned generals of WW2, and he died in a car accident. Kirk helped save an entire civilization of 230 million people, and the crew he referred to in a meta way in the closing log entry of ST6. He damn well made a difference. Even though Shatner admits it didn't quite come out as he imagined, his intention in his death scene was not to portray any kind of fear, but rather, being the eternal explorer, to convey a sense of wonder and curiosity at what awaited him beyond death. The true "final frontier" if you will. And yes, Picard could and should have gone back quite a bit earlier. I wrote a whole answer on Quora years back where Picard went back a couple days before Worf's promotion, arranged for a modern fire suppression system to be installed at his brother's house(like we saw in Up the Long Ladder), and got the Enterprise to Amargosa before the Romulans could attack and arrested Soran before he could destroy the star. But I get it, the movie has to happen. I'm fine with the Duras sisters being the baddies, but they should have given them something bigger and meaner than a bird of prey so the Enterprise didn't go down like a bitch. Give then a Vor'cha from Redemption. You can pull the same cloaking trick. Even without shields I think of all the times the Enterprise really let loose like against the Husnock, and even without shields it should have folded that POS bird of prey like the garbage it was. Also for some reason I never made the connection that since Worf fired the torpedo, he basically wiped out the house of Duras all by himself. Good for him. Regardless of how much of a disservice to the Enterprise it is to have it go down like that, the shots during the battle and the crash landing sequence are chef's kiss. Just beautiful cinematography. Also, while watching this BoP pounding the Enterprise feels like watching getting beat by a 2 bit villain while they're duct taped to a chair, gradually using a piece of glass to cut themselves free, IMO that torturous sequence makes the destruction of the Duras sisters' ship all the more satisfying. It's like "our turn now, F**K YOU!!!". As for Data's arc, I get that the constant 14 year old humor gets old fast, but it's much more forgivable when it transitions into guild after Geordi is abducted, and as any cat owner can attest, none of us would be any different if we were reunited with our feline friend after a crash like that. Also the "oh shit" was perfectly valid in that situation. Finally, I gotta say, Jerry Goldsmith may be the GOAT, but Dennis McCarthy cooked with this soundtrack. The music in deflector control, or during the battle and crash sequence were properly cinematic, the Generations Overture is very uplifting, and the music hit all the right emotional beats when it needed to. Great soundtrack. Overall, Generations I would put on the lower side of B tier. I understand the criticisms, and I have some of my own, but I do think the positives outweigh the negatives. It's not my favourite Trek film by any means, but it's still a fun watch every now and then. And even if it's not what most fans would have asked for, I'm glad we got to see Picard and Kirk team up.

THE LORE!!!

There are parts that I like, there are parts that I would do differently. But one thing I have to give props to is the cinematography. It is an objectively great-looking film.

Phenomenon (Doo - Dooo - Dah - Doo - Doo)

Despite its numerous problems, I can't help but enjoy this movie. Too much "Mr. Tricorder" and not nearly enough Beverly, too much timey-whimey silliness & inconsistencies and not enough character focus, etc., etc. However, I still find myself enjoying this romp with the 1701-D crew. BTW - There was a fan-made short film (2 minutes and change) you may enjoy watching now since it will no longer be a spoiler for you. Hope you like it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0ZHukgfl4

Joshua Gudiso

David Carson directed the first episode of Deep Space Nine, Emissary.

Revman333

First-time commenter. Long-time lurker (back to The Man Trap). Read an interview with Whoopi Goldberg once, in which she said that she didn't take a credit in the film out of deference to the full-time cast. She didn't want it to become "A Whoopi Goldberg Film" or "Starring Oscar-Winner Whoopi Goldberg," She wanted it to be a Stewart-Frakes-Spiner-Burton-Dorn-McFadden-Sirtis Film.

Tim Nikiforovs

Damn, I can't judge paultardspambot anymore

BeefNugs

i actually have that poster. got it from a friend who worked at the theatre when they took it down.

John Rose

I’ve been waiting for you guys to watch this movie just so I could finally drop this story on you! My stepmother was an animal trainer for movies and TV with a company called Critters of the Cinema, and they did a ton of work for the show—including providing Data's cat, Spot. My stepmom and sister were actually extras in the your favorite episode "Up the Long Ladder," and while I’d seen the Original Series movies, watching them on screen was what officially turned me into a TNG fanatic. When the show was wrapping up, my stepmother told me she was doing a scene for the first feature film and asked if I wanted to tag along. It was easily one of the best days of my life! I spent the day lounging on set and raiding craft services, which felt like a high-end buffet to my 13-year-old self. The highlights were legendary: at one point, Michael Dorn walked up in full, intimidating Worf makeup. There was another little child nearby who took one look at him and immediately burst into tears, and Dorn just looked at me and gave me this hilarious, knowing smirk that I’ll never forget. Then, while waiting between takes, Gates McFadden sat right down next to us to chat with my stepmother about animals, leaving me just sitting there vibrating because I was parked right next to Dr. Crusher! I also got to watch them film the scene where Data finds his cat in the wreckage, and as a teenage boy, I couldn’t help but notice Marina Sirtis unzipping the back of her uniform between takes to stay cool—seeing Counselor Troi’s bra strap was definitely a "core memory" moment for a young fan. I even went on a solo mission to explore the Enterprise. I walked through Engineering and noticed the colors were different than they appeared on TV, I’m pretty sure they did a custom paint job just for the big screen. I passed Ten Forward, saw the massive star backdrop, and even found the door to the Bridge, though I didn't go in because the set had already been "destroyed" and was just a pile of rubble. To top it all off, as we were heading back to our minivan, I saw a heap of discarded set pieces they were tearing down. I managed to snag an authentic access panel with a serial number tag on it and smuggled it home! There typed on it were the lyrics to "The Joker" by the Steve Miller Band. I’m honestly kicking myself for losing it over the years, but man, what a day!

startrekiborg

If you guys have the behind the scenes "making of" featurette, I think you'll enjoy it.

Sam Langanke

"We know the ship will not blow up!" Guess it's time to find another running gag guys.

Jonathan Llyr

I remember walking out of the theatre on opening night feeling good and having enjoyed the movie. Only time and re-watches changed my view which is now basically a bunch of good moments in search of a good story. It’s not a bad film and I don’t dislike it but I think it could have easily been more if they hadn’t rushed into making it so soon after the series ended. And like many others I would have liked to see a better ending for Kirk. Actually I would have preferred no ending for Kirk at all! That said I enjoyed watching with you guys and I’m really glad you liked it.

Mara

No matter the times I see it, this still leaves me a wet crying mess. Kirk and Picard's interactions, the star trek messages throughout, Data's little revelations of humanity and the death of the D? Just, so good.

Some Guy

The wreck of the Enterprise D is to my mind the peak of the artform of scifi starship model work. Nothing like it has been done before or since. I was about 6 years old when I saw this in theatres. I remember sitting there during the epic space battle, horribly confused by the Duras sisters saying to fire at Will (Riker). I always loved this one and never got what people didnt like. I'm not sure if I can forgive killing off Picard's young nephew tho...

Ryan

All right, I'll go this far: Ron Moore does his considerable best to give us great character moments, and he often succeeds. The problem is that none of those moments seem connected to each other or to the broader Star Trek canon. It's like a buffet of, I don't know, sushi and cheesecake -- I love both those things, but not *together.* Ugh, 31 years and I still want this movie to be so much better. BE BETTER, GENERATIONS. But the double "oh shit" was hilarious and I forgot that Geordi got his *best* dive-roll out of Engineering in this movie, so it does win some points back.

Colby

Way to spoil No Way Home, guys! 😉

Collin Freeman

Agreed. I remember seeing this in the theater for the first time and clearly noticed how the lighting and cinematography were ratcheted up in budget and quality compared to the series.

Collin Freeman

Agreed. My special edition dvd has many special features., including the original ending for Kirk. I like it better. Would be worth a reaction from Alex and Josh to see what they think.

Mark Magana

Whoopi is uncredited in Star Trek Generations. She appeared just for love of the franchise and was paid scale. (scale = Hollywood minimum wage)

Bantha Fodder

I enjoy this movie as a fun ride. The problem I have with it is if you think about almost any plot point for more than 5 seconds they all fall apart. But it’s definitely a good time. Here’s my random nitpick that has always bothered me way more than it should. When the saucer section crash lands it never turns at all. I know it’s huge and heavy, but still. There’s no way it should end up exactly straight forward. No clue why that bothers me so much!!

Mark Magana

Jack in the Box had marketing merch with the movie. There were collector's cups with main characters on them and a cool poster with Kirk, Picard, the Enterprise D, and the a small Jack in the Box logo along the bottom. I still have that poster. It's framed and hanging in the spare bedroom. =)

John M.

While I agree now, at the time they were far apart enough that I did not notice.

Doctor Pulaski

I knew you guys would like this. That's because it is a good movie, and you like things that are good. Crazy how that works. I remember in the 1980s when some yahoo writer in starlog magazine or something started this stupid meme about only the even numbered movies are good, and everyone just fucking kept parroting it for the next 40 years.

Ryan

Also gotta shout out Brian Thompson, who comes back as a yelling Klingon again! And I'm pretty sure the red-haired guy next to Demora on the Enterprise-B is the "bye-bye, Hathaway" guy from Peak Performance.

Forbidden Donut

The way I've often thought back on this film when I re-watch it is that it's one of those instances in Star Trek where, on paper, or taken in isolation, there are many things I like about it, but that gets counterbalanced by other bad elements that drag it down, and I think in this case it also suffers from how some of those good things are executed or mixed together that drag this movie down to mediocre for me. Also, I decided to go ahead and pay the $10 for early access on this one; thanks for all of the good times and discussions, guys.

tyranusfan

Even ILM didn't like that decision. They complained that Paramount was too worried about saving a few thousand dollars by using the stock footage. They didn't like have to upscale that TV show flyby of Enterprise either, rather than just re-filming it so it would look good.

tyranusfan

The TOS movies separated the cast into "Main Cast," "Starfleet," "Aliens" and so forth starting with Star Trek 3 and going forward.

Some Guy

To be fair I think that this is the first one that breaks the pattern

Some Guy

I paid extra so I would get it before the ice storm stomps my city flat

tyranusfan

Sybok was Spock's brother's name, btw.

ScotchBeard78

Say what you will about any aspect of the story, but one thing Generations does right is the lighting. It's gorgeous and moody and the colors are really rich and saturated. I know it was done purposefully to "hide" the shabbiness of the television sets on the big screen and to help make it look more cinematic. Well... it worked. The scenes in Ten Forward with the "sunset" lighting from the Amagosa star is so beautiful. The stellar cartography room still looks crisp and futuristic. And I think the CGI on the Nexus itself really holds up.

Forbidden Donut

Also, it was funny to me that you joined me in not being the biggest fans of all the 'who turned out the lights?' shots on the Enterprise sets. I thought back when you were at Yesterday's Enterprise, when they go to the alt timeline and it's dark, you both loved that and wished it always looked like that?

Elizabeth N

This is the first time I've ever seen this. I knew about the character deaths , the destruction of the Enterprise and the bad reputation it has and was always put off watching it for that reason. But I really enjoyed it!! Not a perfect movie, yes, but there were so many parts of it that I just loved. The scene with Data and Spot at the end had me almost tearing up. Thanks for such a great reaction. Enjoyed experiencing it for the first time along with you!

Forbidden Donut

Yeah, I tend to focus on what I don't like about this movie when I have an opportunity to discuss it, but despite its issues and me thinking of it overall as mediocre, I still do like it more than hate it or anything like that. I just with it had been better.

Forbidden Donut

That's a great way of describing it, as a buffet of moments. A lot of good stuff in isolation, but as one story it's a mess.

Forbidden Donut

That's crazy to me. I already knew they were close together, but not realizing it was THAT close. One wonders what might have been different if the studio (or whomever) had decided to let things breathe a little bit and maybe ramp up for a 1995 release, giving everyone, particularly the writers, more time.

Target Audience

The look of Yesterday’s Enterprise was much more polished than “turn off all the lights”

Steven Linden

Glad you enjoyed it! I have somewhat mixed feelings about this movie, but on the whole I agree with you. It's been probably 10+ years since I last watched it, so it was fun to experience it again along with you. A tiny bit of background info now that you know who wrote this movie: The writing process actually started around the same time that they production of TNG season 7 was starting. Braga and Moore blame the fact that they were both so busy working on Generations for the weaker quality of some of the stuff in the first half of season 7 ("Liaisons", "Interface", "Force of Nature").

Collin Freeman

Yes, I had similar thoughts. It may also be that having so short a turnaround time allowed the actors to keep their creativity going instead of letting it drop off due to too long a break. It's also interesting that the script they took 2 years to write (Generations) is generally not as highly regarded as the 1 they took 2 weeks to write (All Good Things). Did having more time create a lot of second guessing, and the shorter deadline result in keeping the creative juices flowing with a better result?

Ryan

I’m not a big fan of this movie, but I fully agree on the model work. All the ships and ship-related events look better than they ever did before.

Jon1701

I love Generations. It’s a little bit too much of this, and not quite enough of that but overall - given the amount of boxes they had to tick - they made a good fist of it. Fits perfectly into where Star Trek was in 94 and it might be my favourite TNG movie. Low A / High B

Duncan McDonald

A very mercurial film for me. Great action...when it happened. Great character moments...when they happened. But I'm not totally taken on the idea that the story knitted it all together very effectively. The story could have been a great two or three part in the series, though having Kirk elevated it past that. A good film, but not a great one.

Philbot

There was going to be a scene where they and the Duras sisters crashed on the planet and they send data to go open negotiations. He comes back with his hair tousled and an arm ripped off. And he’s like I believe I have successfully opened negotiations with the Duras sisters. 😻😂

Philbot

Glen Morshower

Jon1701

Bob Blackman created new uniforms for this movie but the producers pulled them at the last minute and went with the DS9 ones instead. Apparently it didn’t look too good on camera. They shot one scene with Geordi wearing the uniform on the Bird of Prey which was never reshot.

John A

I was looking forward to both of your reactions when Guinan showed up, since I knew she was not credited in the movie, which I know you both love surprises. From what I heard Whoopi preferred not to be credited, she appeared because of her personal passion for the character and show, not for a paycheck. I like this movie, not the best, but I enjoyed it, to me it was about our love for the character's, the interactions and the two best captains meeting. The treat was not really the main plot in my mind, but if you think about the treat, which was not really there until the last 3rd, I can see why most did not like this one. Funny story to keep short, I had my laserdisc of this movie signed by William Shatner, then years later had Malcolm McDowell sign it, and he signed under Shatner and wrote, 'The One I Got Rid Of".

Better Watch Trek

After the rewatch (last time was 20 years ago, at least): I'm glad that this movie has been made in the early 90s. Because if it were a 2025 movie t would be like: "The Captains meet because Kirk has been frozen for emergency occasions, ah and he has a split personality, and the crew has to search for McGuffin-A which leads to McGuffin-B, then they talk to the head of bones in a water tank, since somehow the fans love futurama and it would be a great shot for the trailer, and in the end there is a energy beam in the sky over New York and Kirk sacrifices himself, but in the first post credit scene we reveal that he is abducted by the romulans and kept alive and in the last scene we hint the ST-CU where Q tries to recruit Sisko or Picard for the Alien-Vangers!" Ok, I did get carried away here ... What I really wanted to say: No way that someone would greenlight such a movie nowadays. And I'm glad we got Generations! I also love the look and feel of this movie. The scenes that seems to be with "light off" are interesting. I think the crew of the enterprise wanted to enjoy the real sunlight. They were quite close to the star. And We see the light of the sun-explosion directly shine on Picard

Ryan Roach

I haven’t seen this movie since it came out. It’s better than what I remember, though still gets pretty draggy towards the end. I give it a B.

Goddess of Empathy

When Josh said "oh shit" right before Data did I was cackling

Just another Red Shirt

More X-files please Also, this movie is OK, but I object to the way they gave the Picard family, Captain Kirk and the Enterprise D a cheap death. The Enterprise B was cool though. Excelsior class ships are always awesome to look at. Also, we know from the Borg episodes that they can modulate the shield frequency…….and the windows are not glass they are transparent aluminum.

startrekiborg

Despite your legendary dislike of Star Trek VI, you can't honestly say it didn't have character development (aka Kirk).

Worf and Riker Ride Again

Make sure you take a moment and enjoy this time guys, for me this was the best era of Star Trek - the transition between TNG, DS9 and Voyager. There was so much good stuff coming out, overlapping and building the whole Trek universe. Reminds me of being a kid again.

Philbot

Wasn’t that how it was supposed to land albeit under more control..

startrekiborg

I think it's time they watch some episodes from OTOY. Not the last one.

Ryan

The first 20 minutes are exceptional. Comparing that pacing to the rest of the movie goes a long way toward explaining what went wrong with it.

Philbot

They were only good for fridging at least Ron earned the drama.

Philbot

My D died a long time ago. 😂 🥒

JRandolph

Glad for you guys that you like it, but the number of basic mistakes and the amount of sheer nonsense in this movie means it was, and always will be, a D (for Disappointment) for me. I had high hopes for it with the TNG history of Berman, Moore and Carson, but the writing and directing looked like they forgot everything that went into the series, or worse, willingly chose to ignore it for some reason. The number of unforced errors was just inexcusable. And that doesn't even include subjective things, like the way they chose to end Kirk.

Target Audience

If by development you mean giving the character a random flaw that was invented for him to overcome in the film, sure.

Michael Nemo

I love this film. Assault opening night in the theater that was packed. There was a great audience that was very very reactive. This is my favorite of the Next Generation films. do I think that it's the best film from the Next Generation? No. But they do so much in it. The vibe in the theater and even the vibe leading up to the film, was so intense if you were a Trekk fan. Such a great memory walking out of the theater and hearing people's enjoyment talking about the film. This was so much fun in the theater!

Marko

1:23:37 not a bad B'Etor impression Alex!

Doctor Pulaski

No, TMP and Search for Spock are great movies!! Only 5 is bad!!

Toban Allison

This film has many faults obviously but I will say the willingness on the part of the creative team to have the film's star/hero cry that openly that quickly into the film is pretty ballsy, especially for the first outing

startrekiborg

Well, there arguments on both sides. It’s logical for Kirk to have deep hatred and distrust of Klingons with all the BS he’s gone through, and the murder of his son. But, they dropped the ball by having it not be a big issue in Star Trek V. My only defense of that is they didn’t write VI before V, and movie character growths are usually contained solely in that movie. It’s the same thing in Relics. That’s why Scotty doesn’t mention Kirk’s death. They hadn’t written it yet.

Skyfox Bricks

Always loved this one. It's not my favourite of the Next Gen movies, but it easily bucks the trend of odd numbered Trek movies = bad. Picard showing some genuine emotion and growth, Kirk getting to ham it up one last time. Brent Spiner finally getting that much closer to being human. So many wonderful character moments, the cinematic shots of the ships (that gorgeous Bird of Prey sliding into position...) Glad you guys enjoyed it! Looking forward to your thoughts on the next one!

Nate Terry

William Shatner appeared on the Jimmy Kimmel show back in March of 2024. He actually talked about his death scene and what he thought about it and how he'd do it differently...it's actually pretty good I think...maybe you guys should react to that...just a 10 or 11 min clip on youtube. no spoilers about anything star trekkie. it covers other topics too, like his 93rd Bday and going into outer space...but his death scene I thought was interesting.

Matthew Rudolph

I've watched this movie 7 to 8 times. I just realized that the woman in Picard's nexus life was his sister in law, I assumed she was a off brand Crusher.

SetsunaYuki

I knew you guys would like it! I still remember being a small child when it first came to the HBO channel years ago, parents recorded and I watched the shit out out it. Its amazing that you guys made it your 3rd movie.

Walt Vita

Great flick.. viridian 3 scenes were filmed where I live.. just outside vegas.. the valley of fire.. there are is still a set piece you can visit.. the walkway platform where picard and kirk are on either side of Soren.. it's awesome

Greg Latta

Probably in the coments here (or a DS9 video) already and not any spoiler... ~ Malcolm McDowell is the real life uncle of 'Dr. Julian Bashir', Alexander Siddig (Mothers Brother) ~ Also... Siddig's other uncle was the deposed ruler of his birth country Sudan, before he moved to and was raised in England.

Schnabley

Saw this in the theater the day it was released. Was working on an ambulance back then and we could go to the Drive-in for free while on duty. So a couple of weeks later my partner and I were at the drive in watching it when the Enterprise blows up on the planet we got a call. Told my partner, who I had zero idea what as a huge Trekkie that’s it as we were leaving to run our call. He looked at me and said “they are a DEAD” told him, yup that’s it. Couple of weeks later he saw it in the theater and I was the MF’er of all MF’er’s 😂 but he forgave me and we started watching Voyager at work every week after that. Thanks guys had not thought of that in years.

Evan Guthrie

I loved the Data comedy. Surprised it fell flat for so many.

Trent Bowles

I'd love to get into the reasons I don't really like this film, but a lot of it ties into future spoilers so I'll decline. I'll just say this: I liked it fine at the time, but I dislike it more as the years go on. We'll see as you continue your journey whether you wind up agreeing.

JoeCensored

You now have to head cannon Scotty's comment in Relics about betting that Kirk got the Enterprise out of mothballs to find him. Maybe he never believed Kirk died. Maybe spending 70+ years in a transporter messed with his memory. Maybe they learned the truth about the energy ribbon in his time.

Ryan

Now I wish we could have seen Laurence Luckinbill as the great Vulcan religious leader Salmon.

Some Guy

I never thought it was strange. He gets rescued by the enterprise, after everything that's happened in his life and after rescuing Spock? The irony and appropriateness. "I shoulda known. I bet Jim Kirk himself hauled the old gal out of mothballs to come looking for me"

Brian

What bothers me about this movie (in universe) is the moment shields are breached, hey Worf rotate the shield frequencies........but in real life the Enterprise D was made for a 4:3 screen not the big screen.

Couch Captain

His Picard is really good as well!

Zenlike Creature

I've already given my views on this film so I won't repeat them here, but I will give you a fun fact instead: Malcolm McDowell is Alexander Siddig's (Doctor Bashir) uncle :)

River Acheron

I liked it okay. Fantastic art? Nah! But not boring or soulless or anything that turns me off. I'll say it's a solid B.

River Acheron

Horror movie connection. Malcolm McDowell of course! Rob Zombie's Halloween movies. I'm not considering all of his many thrillers "horror" per se. Some people in my horror circle have tried to convince me that Caligula is a horror movie. It is not. :P

Numinous2019

The D will live on.....in the rating for this movie. The production process was difficult and everyone involved worked extremely hard. It does rival The Final Frontier as the worst of the 7 films. The special effects are very good for the budget. Alonzo is an expert cameraman. Frakes is very likeable. Everything else is sub par, to near-botched. McCarthy's music is interesting, but lacks the weight to carry the film.

Gary Willig

This movie commits the cardinal sin of storytelling: The entire plot is dependent on all of the characters being complete idiots. The film goes out of its way to establish that the villain can just fly into the nexus and that it does not matter if the ship he's on is destroyed - because the only way anyone even knows what the nexus is is by being on a ship as the nexus destroys it, which the villain is aware of from the opening scene until the end. The entire fight with the bird of prey requires the crew to be morons who don't think to do basic things like check the visor of the guy who was just held prisoner, remodulate the shields, or even fight back until they find some BS technobabble. Picard is too stupid to use time travel to do anything other than go back to the time he was at the greatest disadvantage rather than go back to a time when he could have stopped Sauron easily. And there are 0 stakes in the film because 1: Picard and Kirk could just keep repeating their fight with Sauron until they get it right by the movie's rules, so there was no reason for Kirk to die, and 2: the fight is over a planet we never see populated by people we never see. There's no reason to care about anything that happens. It's a travesty that this is how they killed Kirk and destroyed the D. This is by far the worst Star Trek movie for those reasons. The only redeeming thing in the whole movie is that the crash of the saucer section is a neat special effect scene. That's it. This movie feels like it was written by an especially primitive AI, or an AI that was instructed to write the worst possible Star Trek film.

Loot Narsbaar

The writers destroyed the Galaxy Class Enterprise-D to show the audience that not even Captain Keogh on the USS Odyssey would have survived in the same situation.

Avaria

I think Generations is fine. Is it my favorite? No. Are there good and/or interesting elements in it? Yes, of course. Would it have helped to leave in the story elements that were filmed but cut? Probably. Does it help to be in the right frame of mind for it? Sure. Overall I think they did pretty well for their first time out with what they had and in the condition everybody was in at the time. I also think it's important to remember that, while it's ridiculously commonplace today, before the TOS crew did it, it was all but unheard of for a TV show to do a big theatrical movie, and that even in the 90s, film & television were much more segregated communities than they are now. So, at the time this was like hopping on a familiar bike and noticing it suddenly has several more gears. It's going to be a little wobbly the first time.

DG

I had many issues with the movie on first release, but still loved it. Over the years, I've come just to love it.

Avaria

Also, as a proud Washingtonian, I invite everybody to please take a moment to admire our beautiful ship! In this movie the HMS Enterprise (Holodeck Edition) is portrayed by the Lady Washington, a historic replica of the first U.S. registry ship to sail to China (gotta get your tea from somewhere after telling off the British), and the official state vessel of Washington State (built for our centennial in 1989). You may know her from such roles as the HMS Intercepter in PotC: Curse of the Black Pearl and the Jolly Roger in the TV series Once Upon a Time. If you're ever in the Puget Sound area, especially July to Sept, look into taking a tour or a sail.

Lyric

I’m glad u like it

Lyric

The destruction of the Enterprise still holds up. I loved it in the theatres. But honestly the movie dropped for me after the Enterprise Crash then the rest of the movie I usually end.

jon bolton

I'm glad you really liked this one, it's fair to say that i love it even more, my second favourite of the films after TUC, and my third favourite movie of 1994 after Pulp Fiction, and Speed. I knew you'd be excited seeing Guinan, and love Data's 'Oh shit!'.

Robert Edelmann

Vasquez from Aliens is the Enterprise B communications officer. Also John Connor's step mom in Terminator 2.

Naglfarius

Right to the moment Picard enters the Nexus, this Movie makes everything right for me. Character development, great Interactions, a good farewell to the Duras Sisters. But i wished for anything else as the Scene we got for Picards Nexus. Not from the Idea what he wishes, but the execution. Nothing worked there for me. The soulles children and Wife, and the Idea that Picards wishes nothing more than to be on Christmas as location. I just cannot buy into that Idea. And of course you have the opportunity to jump to any Time to save the Day. Surely you don't take a Time where People where not killed from the Klingon Ambush, and you can just Arrest the Doc on the Enterprise.... *sigh* Besides these 2 Parts which really upset me, the Rest of the Movie is great. But it did not stick the landing. Not the best Movie ( Star Trek 2 with amazing Uniforms by the way ) but als not the worst. It's okay. *edit: nah the Wrath of Khan Battle is better ^^ But it was a cool Scene here, really enjoyed it*

tyranusfan

Soran. Sauron is Lord of the Rings. Though, now you have me imagining the fight between him, Picard, and Kirk over the volcano ledge in LotRs, which would be EPIC. Thanks for that idea! :)

Matthew Ganz

Malcolm Mcdowell is actually Alexander Siddig's Uncle in real life. He was married to the sister of Siddig's mother. Just another cool Star Trek connection.

Rich Loga

22 year old me was upset with this movie when I first saw it opening night in 1994. At the time it felt like its sole purpose was to kill off my hero, Captain James T. Kirk. Saw it a second time a month or two later after made its way to a budget theater and my buddy and I stood up on our chairs and flipped off the screen when Kirk died. Now in my 50’s I understand the regret that both Kirk and Picard are feeling. Kirk’s empty house line, Picard’s fewer days ahead than behind line, have meaning to me now that I couldn’t comprehend at 22. Kirk’s death stings less now too, he essentially died twice in this film, saving lives both times. A true hero to the end. This ending that is here in the finished film was not the original ending. In the original ending Soran shot Kirk in the back killing him. Paramount had test screenings of the film with this ending and the test audiences really hated it. Paramount felt the whole franchise was riding on this movie being successful and ordered a new ending and Moore and Braga reworked the ending so Kirk dies more heroically, and Stewart , Shatner, and McDowell returned to the Nevada location to re-shoot. Patrick Stewart had totally shaved his head for another role beforehand so he has hair glued to the sides of his head in the re-shoots.

Numinous2019

I am also extremely critical of the script's plotting. It appears that this was essentially a first draft, due to the limited time available during TNG season 7 to Moore & Braga. Paramount have always treated ST cinema as a cash cow that they can just pump out quickly. In addition to all of the points you made, the Nexus is not a channel to the real universe. Picard & Kirk can't leave it to materialise at any real location. They could only move to another dream within the Nexus. So the Soran they then confront in the fabricated version of the earlier scene may not even be the real Soran (now in the Nexus), but just Picard's dream version. The script is plain broken.

tyranusfan

When we first saw this in the theater, there was long pause after the planet is destroyed by the shockwave (before the Nexus scene starts). I don't know if the film reel was switching in the projector or what, but it was so long that some people in the audience went "uh...".

Drake

if i have to rank my favorite star trek movies, i would say its 4 7 and 8 are in my top3. i love this movie, i love the next one, such a good time in star trek

ijp8834

I put this in the takes, but I want to put it here as well. Some background production info. Industrial Light & Magic found the Enterprise D model was not well suited to filming on the big screen. The 6 foot practical model was detailed enough, but it's proportions were not well suited for 21:9 Widescreen. Notice how we only got one "TV Show" style shot of the Enterprise in this movie during the Captain's Log. They did some magic to make sure it looked great in every scene they could, but it was hard to film with. The production crew also found that the sets did not hold up well in the big screen format. They were designed for a TV show that you watched on you 20 inch low resolution CRT TV in your living room, not a 50 foot wide high definition projector screen. There were flaws in the sets you can actually see in the HD Remaster of the show. There were nonsense easter eggs on the displays. Part of the reason why the lighting was so weird in this movie was to hide all of that. It's also why the bridge was slightly redesigned with consoles on the side. It's a skinny set, and needed to be wider for the widescreen cameras. These 2 factors combined led to the decision to destroy the Enterprise D's engineering section, and strand a nearly destroyed saucer section on Veridian III. Basically, The Enterprise D was incredibly difficult to make movies with, it was better from a production standpoint to destroy it.

Naglfarius

you're first Sentence got me. lol ^^

Comrade of Chaos

Honest question because I'm autistic and literal: Are we allowed to call him Alexander Siddig yet?

Loot Narsbaar

All those flaws like the reflections, the construction paper, the bolts... I never noticed them and I am an embarrassing TNG/DS9 nerd who's seen every episode a hundred times. I think they were overthinking that. They could have just refitted the bridge a bit like the jump from Star Trek V to (the excellent) Star Trek VI

Loot Narsbaar

I like the way the bridge is lit, I like how 10 forward was lit particularly because they were in front of a star, but it's comical to me that everyone we see in their own room has now decided to sit around with the lights turned out.

ijp8834

Oh no I agree, there was a lot that could have been done. I think the producers really wanted to make a TNG movie beyond all else and did everything they could to do it. Refitting the sets would require changes to actually adapt them to widescreen that would really skew proportions and such. Then you still have issues with the ship model itself which ILM really did not like working with. It would require a TMP style refit of the Enterprise. Something I'm not sure they were comfortable doing with this moving happening in timeline so close to the end of the series, unlike The Motion Picture.

Sanchi

If the movie didn't have some of those emotional punches it can deliver it would be much worse but it does have em. I find myself tearing up when Picard talks about his family and seeing Kirk figure out he's in the past + his death both hit me pretty hard, even Data and Spot has some kick to it.

Loot Narsbaar

I guess I'm so used to the D I can't be objective. I thought the extra computer stations on the sides were adequate to widen the visual perspective. I think it gets a little silly if a bridge is as wide as a school gymnasium. How is anyone even supposed to hear from that far away during crunch time? The Enterprises and the Defiant get it right.

Forbidden Donut

Also, if the Enterprise B was the only available ship to respond to that distress call, and they were just taking the ship from Earth to Pluto or whatever, wouldn't that suggest that Starfleet had literally ZERO starships defending the home solar system of the entire Federation? That seems ludicrous.

MJBull

Kirk: "Wait, we are playing on God Mode in the Nexus? I hate God Mode. I need my pain. Let's get out of here." Picard: "Robert, I know you hated technology, but why did you not upgrade the Chateau to 24th Century Fire Code standards?"

MJBull

And that the El Aurians are coming from escaping their home world being assimilated by the Borg.

Loot Narsbaar

eh, Captain Useless said they'd be out near Pluto while the other ships are closer to earth. At impulse that's 20-30 hours travel. (Both ST1 and BoBW establish going to warp in a solar system is whacky-doodle). Considering it seems like it takes them 10-20 minutes to get to the refugees I'll give this one a pass.

MJBull

From what I remember, they claimed that lighting for movies is different than lighting for TV (especially when almost all TVs were tube technology. The TNG sets were made to be very brightly lit which would not work for a movie. It was supposedly one of the reasons the Big "D" is lost here.

tyranusfan

When Berman approached Nimoy to direct, he said it needed a page 1 rewrite, but the studio refused. Nimoy walked away after that, and they just shifted all his lines to Scotty.

TC Green

There is another streamer I watch who is a little further along and she actually did notice it.

Forbidden Donut

You'd still think either a fully functional ship would be nearby, and/or that warp would be allowed for an emergency rescue.

TC Green

If not for this movie I might never have watched TNG so most of the issues with this movie get a pass from me. The only exception was killing Picard’s family. I don’t think it was necessary to the plot at all.

Mark Chrisco

Its an ok movie. Later, Moore and Braga both admitted they were perhaps too young to properly express the angst of growing older with regrets.

Loot Narsbaar

If they didn't go to warp chasing the Borg cube to earth they're never going to go to warp. I'm willing to suspend my disbelief that they're the only ship that can intercept before the transports blow up.

Loot Narsbaar

Kirk did call them "Klingon Bastards" in Star Trek V

Scarpad’s Domain

Well after the game while we are getting snowed in I’ll be watching this. Generational falls into guilty pleasure with Star Trek V for me

Saucy

I don't care how many plot holes there are or weird lighting or whatever I will always love this movie. It's not in my top 3 but I still love it.

Dr. Paul Stubbs

If you look closely, when Picard and Kirk exit the Nexus, you can see that they *literally* ride off into the sunset...

Doug

I noticed that transition of your background while the Enterprise was crashing, nicely done

Avaria

Yeah, I think the movie in and of itself is fine. A lot of the flack comes from the two or three moments people decided to get mad about -- Kirk's thread being the big one. But, like Josh said, in context all of those moments are not unreasonable.

Drake

whoopie is a huge fan of star trek and a good friend of patrick steward, as an recent oscar winner few years prior she didnt wanted her name overshadow them and not wanted to be in the credits when she did it as a "fan" basicly. i mean the whole reason she was in the tv show was because ... well she wanted to be in star trek xD its not like she was cast or something , she was an oscar winning superstar who said "hey can i be in star trek" and they werent stupid enough to say no xD BTW she still got nominated as best supporting acctress for a saturn award for this xD

Drake

to be fair, its always hard to make a movie that most people like. for the "general" puplic when it comes to TOS movies, the odd ones are bad and the even ones are the really amazing ones, so 2 and 4. but you like 1 and 3 the most :) so they cant please the general audience and you at the same time as its always very subjectiv whats good or bad you say "its not as intresting objectivly" but no man its very subjectivly i rly liked what you disliked and not rly cared about what you loved xD

Prof Moff

THE RETURN of the sex scoreboard. We have a TOS TNG combined board today. As usual we include all crew members that show up in the Ep/movie. Riker 15 Kirk 12 Troi 7 Picard 4 Dr. Bev 4 Chekov 4 Data 2 Geordi 2 Worf 2 Scottie 2 The scoreboard gave no new horizontal dancin'. Kirk and Picard almost get credit but again as the rules state it must be during the Ep/movie not previous banging even if there is multiple kids as proof.

David Kirk

Some things to look at next time you watch it that are messed up continuity: 1. Picard at end rummaging through his personal stuff in his ready room, picking up his big treasured ceramic given by Prof. Galen, then sets it down and beams up with only his photo album. Picard would have taken that plus the ceramic plus the FLUTE and could have held all of them! 2. The emotion chip in the movie being 100x the size of the one shown in Descent 2 (look it up). 3. The glass in the bridge window breaking (it's transparent aluminum!). 4. Picard coming onto the bridge from his ready room through the wrong door that is supposed to go to the conference room! The three writers should have gotten that stuff better. I think a lot of fans (and myself) hate these things about the movie: Picard stupidly choosing to go back only a few mins in time instead of further back to when he first met Sauron on the Enterprise to arrest him then so wouldn't need anyone else to help him in the Nexus, the choice to kill Kirk by having a bridge fall on him instead of him dying on the bridge (ha!), and Riker and Worf completely forgetting to change shield frequencies right away. Troi finally gets to lead and is too slow to go to Impulse which leads to the crash (Sirtis made fun of that in an interview). Also, look back on the destruction of the bird of prey in ST6. It's the exact same clip in this movie! Talk about being cheap and reusing! Overall, the character development, action and direction were okay but some plot choices were terrible.

Doug

I think a lot of people give this movie a bad rap but I love it. I've seen it probably like 10 times now and I still tear up at Picard and Kirk talking on the horses, and when Kirk dies.

Sony

While filming his death scene, William Shatner comically yelled "Bridge on the captain!" 😭💀

David Brown

McDowell wasn't married to Siddig's mother's sister, he's Siddig's mother's brother. Siddig's mother Gloria came first, then Malcolm, then their younger sister Judy.

MJBull

"If I don't like it then this movie is not canon." You say that, but that is not how this is going to work. Many people did not like how Kirk dies at the end. To me, the script feels bit half baked and why things happen in the story could be thought through better.

David Brown

For Whoopi to be credited at all, her name would *have* to be included in the opening credits (as per the rules for an Academy Award winner). And because of her status as an Academy Award winner she would get top-billing over Patrick Stewart, and she didn't want to take that away from him.

David Kirk

No-one noticed that the explosion video of the bird of prey was wholly taken from ST6? Exact footage! CHEAP!

David Kirk

I was expecting a bigger reaction when it was destroyed and each time Kirk died to be honest.

Doug

I need someone to make a clip of Josh saying "oh shit" and then Data saying it 5 seconds later

Numinous2019

I'd forgotten about Nimoy requesting that rewrite. Paramount's cost / benefit analysis is always to Just Churn Out ST Movies and they'll make US $ 70,000,000 within America and maybe half that overseas.

Erik L Jerks

We always knew, Kirk would die on the bridge.

Jason Aud

No TOS Set but if you noticed on the observatory some of it's computer controls/displays ala TOS style computer as well as the TOS Enterprise painting on the wall in Kirk's house. Also like you say this one seems widely varied but I remember back in the day it being on alot, I remember in school our teacher randomly put it on during a lull day. Looking, looking.....a whole week!?!?! Until the next DS9 React....long week lol.

Jason Aud

Haha that was great, got a kick out of that knowing what was coming immediately after lol.

Back Flip Bet

One of worst movies of all time. Shout out red letter Media

Aaron Wells

Eh. Pragmatically, I'm going to just keep pretending that things that got inflicted on us by Nu Trek aren't canon.

Ken R

This is the 6th best of the 7 movies so far

Darren

Generations has enough holes in the plot to drive a starship through and feels very much like a collection of great scenes that don’t quite gel. But it’s a movie that I can go back to time and time again. I think the cinematography in this one is pretty great and it’s probably the best looking movie so far. (Yes some scenes are too dark tho). Best Trek film? Nah far from it. But I enjoy it

Aaron Wells

I know it's a minor point, amongst all the fuckery in this movie, but even as a child I remember being disgusted by watching that rocket launch from the ground and hit the sun a few seconds later like it's just hanging there a couple thousand feet in the air... So stupid! It drop kicks you completely out of the movie. I'm sure it's already been mentioned...but goddamn that kind of thing should not happen in a science fiction film.

Aaron Wells

It's fun for people with a foreknowledge of the characters and universe. Without that, it's probably pretty rough. Like if you had never seen Star Trek and then saw this... What would you make of it?

Aaron Wells

The lighting was actually a high point for me. So refreshing for Trek not to be lit like Jerry Seinfeld's apartment.

Some Guy

Wasn't chip damaged? They probably had to approximate the damaged parts

reactive1

From the stardate in the captain’s log (48650) the movie takes place in-universe after episode 21 of DS9 season 3.

Nolan

I'll say this for the movie: as average as it might be, I teared up several times, even when the overlay got trashed, lol.

Nolan

Also, if you wanna blame *anyone* for actor credit placements, blame the ACTORS. They're the one with the ultimate decision on whether or not they take their credit when it's due.

Target Audience

A Star Trek actor has never said no to removing the credit from the beginning and putting it at the end like DeForest Kelley in Encounter at Farpoint, because I guarantee they’ve never been asked.

Greg Quinn

Agreed. Especially for anyone who ever was even slightly interested in real space science/tech.

reactive1

I tend to think that Scotty’s memory was scrambled a bit after spending 75 years in the transporter buffer.

reactive1

William Shatner actually did most of his horse riding scenes. He’s an accomplished rider and owned a horse farm here in Kentucky where I live for many years.

reactive1

Besides Nurse Ogawa, Lt. Jae was the other recurring crew member from the series I noticed. She’s the dark-haired conn officer with the short haircut.

brian

After watching this with you, I am thrilled that I am wrong. I thought you guys might hate it. There are parts I hate but loved this movie as a kid. It's a very nostalgic watch for me

Nolan

Well, that's what happened here in Generations. Whoopi asked to go uncredited.

Nolan

Eh, it was a warp capable probe.

Target Audience

I meant the actor has never been asked by the crew making the show and said no

Aaron Wells

Is that apocrypha? Because I just did a search through the script and I couldn't find it anywhere... I mean it sure looked like a chemical rocket. Left an exhaust plume and everything. No visual indication of a reactor or nacells or whatever...

David Kirk

It wasn’t damaged. Data put it away until he would be ready for it.

Back Flip Bet

Very hard to watch this episode after Mr plinketts review. "Beam to the surface?" 😭😚

Nolan

I went to check the wiki article on billing rules. And saw spoilers for Treks you have yet to see, lol. It is long and complicated, involving union rules, actor egos and payment disputes. I don't blame producers for not wanting to rock that boat on top of everything else involved in running a show. 🤣

Nico

at the end of the discussion you were talking about the enterprise captains, I think Captain Garret was a boss and she was badass in yesterdays enterprise. she was the first to want to get back in the fight and save those in danger in the past so she could make a difference even tho she knew she would die. she was just like kirk or picard to me, Plus its so cool the C had a kickass female Captain

Gerald Conde

I didn't like this one. It's like a very mediocre episode with a really big budget.

Nolan

The big question with this film is: if you can leave the Nexus and go anytime, anywhere, why tf did Picard not go back to BEFORE his Brother and Nephew burned to death?! Still plenty of time to stop Soren.

Nolan

No, it's just me pulling an excuse outta my butt. 😅

Nolan

Also, kinda sucks for McCoy, Scotty and Spock, who all made it to the 24th Century, but have spent the last number of years thinking their friend died, only to find out he WASN'T dead, but stuck in a temporal Nexus, until he was brought forward to their present just to die anyways.

Slugology

A promising start for the redemption sequel to Star Trek 6...and then Generations starts.

Aaron Wells

Oh well... That's what we all do after all. :)

Skye Maidstone

I enjoyed it less than I remember. It's just a meandering mess. The score is dull as is most of the movie. Data is just annoying for most of it and Soren and dull villain. Picard's dream is to be in victorian England? Urgh. It's just a slog with a few good scenes. Picard crying in a dark room kinda sums it up.

Skye Maidstone

She's a horrendous person so I'm more than happy if she's never credited.

Adin

Glad you like it. It’s just a fun movie

Sense Departed

If your unimpressed by the ribbon, Reflect on q's last conversation with Picard in "all good things"

Scarpad’s Domain

This does invalidate relics somewhat as Future scotty thought Kirk came to rescue him, but obviously knew Kirk was dead.

Scarpad’s Domain

Kirk's death I think because he dies when the bridge falls on him, litterally and Shatners Improvised Oh My really hit me, that was a biggie to a teenager who grew up with TOS

Scarpad’s Domain

im sure they were just grabbing stuff quick and starfleet will get the ret of the salvage

paultardspambot .

So this is a repost from the trailer. This may not be a popular take, but my thoughts on the movie. So I can finally talk about this movie. I may be in the minority, but I found this really disappointing. I get what they were going for, but even Moore admitted they didn't pull it off. Seeing it was a lot like seeing Star Wars, The Phantom Menace. At first you just think its awesome there is a new star wars, then its like "wait a minute." I'll probably rewrite this on the reaction, but- 1. What a terrible ending for Kirk. As a final reward, he gets to live in a sort of Heaven. Till Picard pulls him out to help him win a fist fight against the next iteration of "Wrath of Khan was popular, so we need an iconic vilian". Not realizing what made Khan such an iconic cilian. 2. The development of Data and him finally getting emotions, which is a huge character arc throughout TNG, is basically thrown away for a cheap recurring gag. 3. They basically reuse a TNG plot of Geordi's viser being used to spy on the Enterprise, AND a Wrath of Khan element with the shields 4. The super corny forced "emotional shots" of the evacuation to the saucer section. 5. Having Ursula and Betor be in love with this guy for no real reason then to have some villians from the show and I guess because they wanted revenge on the Enterprise. 6. A general problem with these movies, that they want something that's not just for trekkies but has "cliched" movie action sequences that are suppose to appeal to a broader audience but just cheapens the movie. 7. The destruction of the Enterprise D without the glamor shots we got in Trek the Motion Picture beforer it's destruction in The Search for Spock. 8. When Picard goes back in time, there isn't a second Picard already there. This means he can go back in time and essentially replace himself. There was no need to get Kirk and travel back to the last minute. He could have gone back earlier and prevented the whole thing from getting that close, AND save the Enterprise in the process without having to pull Kirk out of "heaven" to die in an old man fist fight. One nice thing- resolving that Guinan's weird "sixth sense" about timelines and such comes from her exposure to the Nexus, not an inherent category of her species. People get confused about the Timeline, but she meets Picard here BEFORE she met him the 19th century, but from her perspective in the Nexus, she is there :longer" then Picard or Kirk so she sees all of time and her important role in relation to Picard. From there, she travles back in time to be in the 19th century and sees Picard again and "sort of" remembers it but can't tell him. This clarifies the time line and suggests that she may have actually "met him" multiple times when he was at different ages (it's compiicated) and after all this then seeks him out as a young man at Starfleet Academt and strikes a bond with him because she already knows a lot about his future.

paultardspambot .

Well, they were going for something deeper, but didnt pull it off. The next movie Is a "fun" movie. Not deep, but at least entertaining, which this one- once you get over the "cool, a TNG movie!"- not so much.

paultardspambot .

Picard's "dream" is the alternate way he could have gone with a life, having a family, something that he has sacrificed for his career and suppossedly is contemplatingly as he releazies his "time is running out" which is supposed to be the theme of the movie that connects the thrreads but I don't blame you for not getting it because its not executed well.

startrekiborg

They are referring to Kirk's character flaw of racism in Star Trek VI.

Scarpad’s Domain

Alex does hit the nail on the head when he says Trek Works Best as a tv series, the rest of the movies and some of the previous one really prove out that point

Oz

When it came out the movie was marketed as sort of "Avangers" type movie, where the two "generations" come together and have a joint adventure. Heavily focusing on the scenes with the TOS characters and of course, captain Kirk. The marketing department did a good job of hiding the fact that it's mostly a TNG movie with about 8 minutes of captain Kirk returning only to punch Soran and die by falling off a bridge. At least that was the biggest problem for me when I saw it in theaters, it's all about expectations and I felt disappointed. However at the same time I never really hated the movie, it has good moments and I can see why some people like it, some don't and some think it's just ok - it has moments in it that fit any of that. Anyhow, seeing this now with you, approaching it with fresh eyes and no expectations, made me appreciate it even more than before (and it's not the first time that happened).

paultardspambot .

Also (in my opinion) this review kind of shows why I feel like the lens they view DS9 through is affected by TNG no longer being a show they get to review. This is a mediocre movie at best, but I feel they just like TNG and its characters more, and are prone to be harsher on DS9 especially because just as it raps up season 2, TNG was ending, and for them that meant their primary reason for doing this channel, watching TNG, was over, I think that probably colored the emotions a bit (as it did for some fans at the time.) I'm sure they wll say this wasn't the case, and of course all of it is inherently subjective, it just seems, especially when looking back at the the reveiws of seasons 1 and 2 of TNG, like DS9 automatically has a higher bar set for it, because its not TNG, not trying to be TNG, and that will have a subjective effect on the enjoyment of the show. I think DS9 benefits from all the world building of the previous two, but it also very much is trying to be something different and taking the universe built by the previous shows and having that "universe" matter more then the concept of individual stand alone planet of thr week episodes, though DS9 still does some of that. There was the stated preference of seeing episodic TV again with eveything these days so serialized, but at the time (yes, at the time) seeing a more serialized trek that took all those elements and built more of a world with longer recurring interveaving plots was very novel and probably an aspect that msot fans liked about it, whereas a preference against that sort of thing colors how a show will be reviewed as a concept. I can't help but wonder how it would have affected things, not just in the long run but in the shirt term, had they taken a breakn after "All Good Things" to kind of process that journey, and then restarted with fresh eyes to let DS9 be its own thing. Of course since DS9 was running simultaneously, that wasnt the way its going to go down. People probably feel like I'm flossing a dead horse here- it's just that I guess I had hoped they would enjoy it in the same way and for the same reasons I enjoyed it- especially since they actually give their honest opinions instead of just being "wowed" by everything like some reviewers (like this girl whose thing is that she can cry on command). That of course is a tradeoff they addressed in a bit in a recent reveiw. Looking at something crtiically vs looking at something from trying to get maximal enjoyment. I've definitely noticed things I hadnt noticed before like directing and camera angles., and whereas before something like "Imaginary Friend" I just viewd in the light of not one of my favorites, but all trek is good- (and my personal experience of seeing it before all these tropes were familiar) I se it now as"how would someone from an outside perspective view this?" At the end of the day there is always a mix when it comes to reactions. Its like when people ask you what you honestlty think- and add, no really, what do you REALLY think. i used to get in trouble with this, as people want to know what you really think, but they also want you to really be impressed by their work. Thats also a thing with a more serialized format- if you don't buy in when it begins, you can be won back, but you can never experience quite in the same way as someone whose bought in from the beggining. Anyway, I feel this movie is kind of an example for me, where I have the take that I sort of see what they were going for, but it was poorly executed. Sort of wish I could see a redo where they had more time and didnt have the pressure of "its a big franchise movie" to really have the creative freedom to fully explore this idea without all the goofy stuff that brings it down.

Target Audience

Yeah, that marketing definitely would’ve made me more sour on the film for sure

Target Audience

Bro came out of a transporter 75 years in the future. Thinking it may have been Kirk who was actually alive honestly not that crazy in this universe lol

Some Guy

He's basically referencing Search for Spock - wouldn't be the first time someone hauled the enterprise out to rescue someone OR came back from the dead.

Some Guy

I mean I would assume warp in an armosphere would be an issue.

Athos Count de la Fère

As far as i'm concerned, Kirk dies saving the crew of the Enterprise B. In my head cannon, that's how one of the most famous sci-fi characters in history goes out.

Nolan

Even more crazy is that Ronald D. Moore wrote both. And knew.

Anthony Hernandez

Indeed noticed her too. She was in a LOT of episodes. No lines I think

Paul

I think this film features one of the best acted scenes in all of Trek, with Picard and Troi. I felt so enveloped by Picard's melancholy, his unbearable sorrow when he finally lets his walls down around her. He has no kids. No wife. His family name and his own personal legacy, a flame dwindling away. I'd have to agree with Josh, it's my favorite scene in the movie, or tied with the Enterprise crashing into the planet. Riker continues his "Mr. Worf... " legacy. Love to see it. I find the nexus plot interesting, so the setup for it is unavoidable if a sci-fi plot is to exist at all. But that's neither good nor bad, it really is just preference at the end of the day. The idea of, in a sense, heaven floating out in space, divorced from time, a creation entirely of your own idealized desires, fascinates me. I wonder what mine would look like? Though, as Kirk said, it ultimately would feel meaningless if you're aware of it being an illusion of sorts (how real is it really, say compared to the Holodeck, hmm..) Overall, I'd give the movie a solid B+

Forbidden Donut

I was just starting to re-watch that today, and I was hoping there would be nothing in it that TA hasn't seen, but unfortunately there is. They'll have to wait a while to watch the Plinkett review.

David Kirk

Plinkett was so great.

Narnman

the most important of scoreboards

David Kirk

It was just funny to see him pick it up then put it down. Pretty trustful allowing someone else to handle that fragile object.

Back Flip Bet

Ruined this movie for me. Used to be a fun time. Now it's just, 'that makes no sense"

Narnman

maybe if done in smaller doses

Narnman

Did anyone notice Worf seems to be sitting down on a chair at his tactical station on the bridge???

Matt Everkoul

Regarding the transition from TNG to DS9 uniforms… keep in mind it took them an entire year (TNG S3) to phase out the old season 1-2 uniforms with the shoulder piping. The main cast wore the new uniforms but background extras didn’t get the new uniforms until season 4. So in-universe, there’s definitely an overlap period.

BN13

I like this movie more and more every time I watch it. I'm at the point now where my reaction to it is pretty similar to TAs's. And even when I had the same problems with it that a lot of fans do, it was still my favorite TNG movie. This watch through is the first time that i didn't find Data's humor to be absolute cringe. I used to think that it was extremely out of character for data, but I finally realized that of course he'd act that way if he's experiencing emotions for the first time. He'd be experiencing them the way a child would. So naturally, he'd be handling them in a very immature way at first. His arc is to learn how to mature and handle them like an adult.

Matt Everkoul

That’s Lieutenant Jae played by Tracee Lee Cocco. She in about the same number of episodes as Ensign Gates, although she hasn’t caught the attention of the Target Audience in quite the same way, unfortunately.

Todd

The Shatner scenes really get me emotional in this movie. I think the whole thing with the stellar cartography as it was never seen before on TNG. On the big screen, it was kinda cool at the time. I know you are annoyed at the Duras sisters biting the dust, but you have to temper that with the larger Star Trek universe now because DS9 is ongoing. Maybe Ronald D Moore was done with them but wanted to give them a battle as a character send off? I think the familiarity with Picard and the sisters works here as opposed to it being random Klingons, or taking the Klingons out altogether and putting the Romulans in or some completely new faction.

Avaria

I spotted the chair! :) Maybe the new-ish spine needs extra support? Or maybe Riker just needed one more chair to potentially dominate via the Riker Maneuver.

Avaria

There's a book about our geriatric TOS friends in the 24th century. It's called "Crossover," by Michael Jan Friedman. I haven't personally read it, but it was originally published in 1995, so the events of Generations might get a mention. Beyond that there's always the Shatnerverse... a very strange parallel dimension indeed.

Avaria

Butler was also his actual dog.

Avaria

Sometimes movie just has to movie; not always ideal, but such is movie.

Avaria

Re: Picard's Stuff. The flute and other mementos, such as the Mintakan cloth, were likely in his quarters, not the Ready Room and probably picked up while we weren't looking. As for the Kurlan Naiskos, we only see him pick up the lid, not the entire piece, so given that it's all the way by the entrance, things might not have gone well for the bottom half. Who knows? Re: The Emotion Chip. It's bigger because they wanted to do a medium shot and make it easy for the audience to see it. That's why it's underlit and spinning, too. All the shots in the show, where it is indeed tiny, are done pretty close up. Re: The Skylight. Transparent Aluminum is not unbreakable. They smacked the planet pretty hard.

Avaria

I did like that they took advantage of being parked right next to a star (visiting a solar array, after all) to show off some dynamic lighting.

Ca$hWednesday

I had an inclining that you guys would like this one. So much of the fandom has a hate boner for this movie. While it's not amazing, and has the one giant plot issue that affects many time travel movies that you mentioned, with a couple extra lines of dialogue, they could have handwaved away why Picard and Kirk couldn't go back earlier than they did. Overall, it's not a bad movie and has some memorable scenes.

Matchstick Jose

Got to be the most momentous day in the history of the Enterprise lineage, right? The D is destroyed and Kirk dies within like a 10-minute time span.

paultardspambot .

normally I dont mind that if theres an easy solution you could come at using your imagination,. but here its pretty blatant. I dont think it would fix the movie though, to me its the least of the issues

penoyer79

felt like my prediction was spot on about this one. Generations dropped after the 8th episode of DS9 season 3 the next movie dropped after the 8th episode of DS9 season 5 almost exactly 2 years apart.

penoyer79

If Star Trek 6 was the most overrated Star Trek movie, then this one, IMO, is the most underrated Star Trek movie

Back Flip Bet

You don't like vultures eating his body after finding him in an above ground rock mound 😭

Back Flip Bet

He could have arrested Soren in 10 Forward lol

Athos Count de la Fère

Not my childhood hero. No I don't. When I saw this movie in the theater, I was pissed and heartbroken. All these years later, it has faded to annoyance and melancholy. His death is so anticlimactic.

Total Random Reviews

So glad you guys liked the movie, I too personally like this movie as well. The main issue I always hear from people hating this film is how they killed off Kirk in the end. That's it, they don't seem to care about all the other great things that happen in this movie that thankfully both of you caught and appreciated!

Paul

I love two of the following movies. I kind of disagree. I think Trek can work in any format. Just depends on what flavor you're looking for.

Paul

I just assumed it goes into warp after it leaves the atmosphere.

Laura Thornley

Every time I watch this movie I have to wonder about the uniform switches. Some characters switch multiple times. If I had to guess its due to things being filmed out of order and the uniforms weren't always available. I do know Riker's DS9 style uniform is actually the same one Sisko uses (hence it not fitting perfectly, especially with the arms). 47 yet again is a recurring number. "Bridge on the Captain!" was a meme before memes were really a thing. I like this movie. Its not my favourite, but its a solid A rating from me. A great 'real ending' to TNG with the Enterprise D's swansong.

E Parhas

47 is a recurring number? Never picked up on this. Where else previously?

E Parhas

That got probably the biggest "pop" out of me from any of their reactions

Russell Williams

I have fond memories of Generations, as I was 10 years old when it came out. I'd only discovered Trek a couple of years earlier, and Picard and the TNG were MY crew. In all honesty, they still hold a special place in my heart. I'd seen a couple of the TOS movies; The Undiscovered Country was the first Trek thing I'd ever seen, so I had some knowledge of Kirk going in. I remember the trailers being misleading, making us think that Kirk would actually be on the Enterprise-D. They specifically edited a scene of Kirk in the deflector room on the Enterprise-B to make it appear as if the Enterprise-D was warping away from the Amargosa Observatory, which heightened my excitement. Generations was one of my first memories of going to the cinema. Sure, it didn't match the hype, but I remember being more in tears at the loss of the Enterprise than over Kirk's death. Without the burden of knowledge, the old man finds himself pinned beneath a bridge. Meh. I watched the uncut version with you guys last night, probably for the first time in over 20 years. Wow. The character stuff really leapt out. The scene with Picard and Troi with the album made me weep, doubling down when Picard sees Rene in the Nexus. Kirk's death stung a little, but his final words got me. It also reminded me of those prophetic words from The Final Frontier when he's around the campfire with Spock and Bones: "I knew I wouldn't die because the two of you were with me." He always knew he'd die alone. And he did, canonically in the Enterprise-B deflector room, and he died without his brothers by his side on Veridian III. But he did die, with the captain of the Enterprise with him. How fitting. Sorry for the rambling post, but watching with you guys has really given me a new appreciation for Generations.

Laura Thornley

"47 Project" on Memory Alpha. Spoilers beware for those who haven't seen every Trek. "Shields at 47%!" 47 survivors of the Laku. The Nexus was 47 minutes away from the system. Lots of background numbers on screens and signs have 47 on them (sometimes hidden in a longer serial number like 0047) or are the end of a decimal number. And apparently it was an intentional in-joke with production that some producers liked and others didn't.

Laura Thornley

And oh yeah, Whoopie Goldberg isn't credited in this movie at all. And nobody knows why.

paultardspambot .

huh. I thought it was that the shoulder lining was for crewmen and the new uniforms for officers then they made the new ones for everyone

paultardspambot .

going to check memory alpha at some point, but didnt they originally plan on it being more of a crossover movie and then were limited for some reason? I have the same recollection as you, of people being exicted this was the official long awaited crossover between TNG and TOS, and then being disappointed it was a TNG movie that sort of wedged in Kirk in (what seemed to me) in in a lame way by having him help beat Soran in a fist fight where he dies. I would have preferred the ending with a more TOS fight without kirk getting shot in the back. But yes, absolutely, the promotions at the time made it seem like it was a true crossover and people were palpably disappointed when it felt like they had sort of been cheated, almost like they just stuck KIk in so they could make those misleading promos.

paultardspambot .

This didnt have to be te case though. Its was a noticeable problem that the TNG movies felt like they were trying to go for a "bigger audience" then just the regular trek audience and the things they incliuded that were for "regular people" were just corny tropes like hallway star warsesque pahser fights (I know this only happened in like one of the movies but it feels like every movie had Rikr fighting some secondary bad guy, beating him and then saying :"see you in hell" Plus the attempt to have an "iconic villian" because Wrath of Khan had one and everyone liked that, not getting why that particular iconic villian worked. Or just so many things that screamed "this is a movie for people who dont regularly watch trek" I feel like if they just let it be a movie for people who were into trek they could have had better resutls.

paultardspambot .

I dont think Moofre wrote all of Generations, it was a combined effort.

paultardspambot .

Read it a long time ago, but I actually liked the Shatnerverse

paultardspambot .

unfortunately, there have been way too many books utilizing this concept. There have been some really good ones, including one with a central idea that was re-used in a worse way by later trek that explained why our heroes were al3ways so lucky. But it will be a lloooong wait to be able to talk about that book.

John

It's not like I don't like Generations... there are just better Star Trek movies available. Where I can sit down for 40-50 minutes for a Star Trek episode, a movie is a larger commitment, generally longer than a two-parter or a two-hour premiere since those run about 90 minutes, and Generations isn't bad... but Star Trek VIII (leaving the name out) is better, and Star Trek II and IV are both better. I've turned around a bit on Star Trek III, especially now that I know the behind the scenes stuff about how Lenoard Nimoy only signed on to Star Trek II on the condition that they killed Spock (Like Harrison Ford in Force Awakens) but then Nimoy (unlike Ford) changed his mind and they were able to bring him back. I always felt like bringing him back was cheating, but... and the movie itself isn't terrible, except for killing David the way they did. Anyway, Generations isn't a terrible movie... but it's not a great movie, and there are better watches. I didn't see it in theaters. I was only 6 years old when the movie came out. The first one I saw in theaters was Star Trek X. More on that later.

Rj Simas

I always just assumed they had to travel along the path of the ribbon in time and space. Which makes a lot of sense why they went there.

Rj Simas

I mean, he died saving millions of people from being destroyed by a star...

Athos Count de la Fère

Somehow I would have rewritten the movie, so that the character just saves the Enterprise B crew. I just don't care about some not important planet no one ever heard of, before the movie or since the movie.

Malamute

Why is Kirk Better than Picard? Kirk can block a punch. :-) Always liked this movie.

Mr Moxie

Pour one out for the Kurlan Naiskos, fellas...

Boggle

Generations is a boring movie. It is not an outright bad movie. There's some cool stuff. But to me it has always felt like five different TNG episodes shoehorned into one mediocre plodding story. There are too many moving parts with no real depth to any of them, and the middle third of the movie just drags so much. I always found the way Kirk died to be laughably lackluster, and Data's emotion chip arc both moronic and out of place. Although the bit where he is singing the 'lifeforms' song does always make me laugh. Picard losing his brother and nephew is a bit WTF and out of nowhere. But it's too integral to the movie to remove. I would have loved it if they had removed Data's subplot about emotions and just focused on Picard working through it more. Star Trek uses the "shield frequency" Dues Ex Machina too much, and this is one of the worst uses of it imo because it's shallow and obviously just there because they wanted to crash the Enterprise into a planet. Which was also entirely unneeded. You could have just left the ship crippled in orbit around one of the planets and everything would have been the same. I suppose it's a cool visual to watch the ship crash, but it was wasted time that I would rather have seen used to buff up the actual plot points that mattered. I give Generations a C- today. As an 18yr kid watching it, I think I enjoyed it a little more than I do now, although I do remember wishing it had been better at the time. I Probably would have given it a B-.

Mark Chrisco

I remember that question being asked when the film was first released.

Kristina Weber

I'll try to keep it short as many others have already given their takes and mine probably reiterate all of those. The movie has a cinematic feel and several good set pieces. Most of the characters feel in-character. I understand that there were a lot of limitations behind the scenes that probably tied their hands. However, this movie has a lot of problems that limit my enjoyment of it: 1) Kirk's death does not feel fitting his character. He deserved to die as he lived, on the bridge of the Enterprise or at least another starship. I just don't buy that his paradise is a mountain cabin, although maybe it's William Shatner's paradise (he looks like he's having fun). He deserved a funeral fitting his place in history. 2) This ties into (1) but the Nexus doesn't match its promises. Neither 'paradise' we see seems good enough to really tempt either character. Picard also had a Christmas Carol story where he learned to love his choices (Tapestry). Even in Family, Picard eventually decides that he doesn't want to live on Earth, he wants to be exploring the universe. Paradise for both Captains would look very different. 3) It's a weak story in general - the Nexus is just a macguffin. 4) So many nitpicky details (costuming, sets, etc) are weird/wrong. Anyway TLDR the whole thing is just an excuse to get Picard and Kirk together on that mountain at the end. What are the themes of this story anyway? So it's not a travesty of a film but it's meh. I'm glad the cast had fun but I wish it was a lot better and esp that Kirk got a fitting end.

River Acheron

An interesting debate and one I see from the videogame community all the time. (especially with Return to Silent Hill just coming out) Should a reviewer of an adaptation or sequel or remake be valid if they are unfamiliar with the source material? I'm not so sure. In short, this movie was made for fans of The Next Generation. this pops up in videogame adaptations all the time where fans of an IP like the adaptation and the "regular" popcorn audience did not. They have a right to their opinion of course but the movie wasn't made for them. Now I wasn't around when Generations was in theaters, and I assume this debate was all over the newsgroups and chatrooms. It's almost as if we would benefit from having two review categories for media: those who have seen the O.G. and those that have not. And sometimes the opposite happens: The popcorn-muching seat-warming civilians love something and the fandom hates it (maybe a bad adaptation or inconsistencies etc) I will go this far: If I had never seen Generations but I watched all of TNG, I would NOT listen to a movie-goer who said it sucked if he was not a Star Trek fan. Simply because his opinion isn't relevant to fans of the series. That's the nicest way I can phrase it. lol. Again, my Silent Hill communties are going through this exact thing right now.

Derek Orr

We where so close to seeing Kirk see the 1701-D Horrible disgusting dark lighting …hate the weird “cinematic” fetish ….full proper bright lighting is best. It so easy to see how Scotty’s lines where meant for Spock and Chekhov’s where meant for Bones

David Brown

That's the kind of thing that truly makes one a hero. Your way of thinking does a disservice to your namesake.

tyranusfan

Even 5 is more disappointing than bad. There’s a lot to like in it, they just fumbled the execution

Loot Narsbaar

The story has been that after VI was an unexpectedly big hit commercially and critically the studio got cold feet about their plans to move on to TNG movies and were like oh shit we retired the old crew and we're not so sure if people will come to see a movie with the new cast and made them shoehorn Kirk into the next movie to pass the torch.

Loot Narsbaar

@TA literally the same explanation Ron Moore gave

Loot Narsbaar

It's one of those things even as a 10 year old I knew was too stupid to be in Star Trek

Loot Narsbaar

Even if it somehow it was warp capable, the effects should take several minutes to ripple back to the planet. They should only be able to see any effects on sensors until the shockwave arrives. It's so incredibly stupid. Don't even get me started on how the ribbon travels at warp and then slows to thrusters when the script demands (although if the movie was good I could handwave that one)

Loot Narsbaar

No way man. I keep my sanity be de-canonizing turds like this. That it's a movie makes it easy. Hell the people who made Trek de-canonized ST:V.

Loot Narsbaar

What we found out in the movie is that Picard was only trying to be being nice to Prof. Galen and the Kerwin Nescar wasn't a gift he liked

Loot Narsbaar

Why didn't they just shoot down the Enterprise with the trilithum weapon of "unlimited power." At least I could accept that in story terms. They didn't shoot Chekov's gun. I guess it made too much sense.

Aaron Wells

Eh. I dig the lighting. I mean, they were at a solar observatory... right next to a star. Of course a bunch of light is going to be flooding in through every window. They didn't need to shut off every other light, of course. It might have been a little over the top to have it either the local sunlight or darkness. But I like how it sets the scene. Establishes the location. There's a shot I believe early on in season 2 with Wesley standing there in 10 forward as the ship maneuvers to a new heading and jumps to warp... They took the time to have the lighting moving around the room as the ship changes orientation relative to the local sun... I've always loved that detail. I don't think they ever did it again.

Aaron Wells

This exactly. I mean just for the light to make it back to the planet from the Star after it exploded so they could see it would take several minutes... I mean for light to make it from the Sun to the Earth takes the better part of 10 minutes if I remember correctly... I mean it's just a movie...but still. That sort of thing is annoying 😂

Doctor Pulaski

Yeah, it’s like a wacky TOS episode. Nothing that happens is any weirder than Abraham Lincoln floating in space.

Loot Narsbaar

Yeah and that type of stupidity with the probe was shocking for ST in 94

David Kirk

Transparent aluminum would have shattered with the sound of glass?

David Kirk

Totally wrong. Picard cherished Galen’s gift and it is prominently shown in the Picard series in his Chateau Picard home.

Boggle

They didn't have any of them I thought, but I understand your point. Why would the shield frequency just be there for all to see? What is honestly the point having it broadcast in public like that? TBH, The Enterprise should have just been blown up in the movie. How many proton torpedoes made it through the shields again? At least 3 or 4 iirc. At least one of them directly hit the bridge. The ship would have been blown to pieces if not for the plot armor. But whatever. It's a minor gripe compared to other things I dislike about the movie. Honestly, I think the Data subplot is the worst thing about the entire movie. They could have removed it completely and nothing at all in the movie would have changed assuming tiny minimal rewrites.

Laura Thornley

The only explanation I have for the lighting is the higher resolution of movie filming. The TNG set looks a LOT worse in higher definition, you can see some of the set is made of duct tape in some behind the scenes images. The darker lighting could have been purely to hide the things you couldn't see in the lower resolution 'fuzzy' TV film work.

Laura Thornley

Well it wasn't a conventional weapon - it was referred to being of 'unlimited power' because it was a star killer and would result in mass destruction of a star system. The weapon itself was just a solar probe with a nuclear inhibitor payload (aka, stops nuclear reactions). Firing it at the Enterprise would probably just result in it bouncing off the hull and shattering.

Oz

As far as I know, the studio pushed to make a crossover and there were story ideas that included the entire TOS crew. Then it was the same studio who made the TOS part smaller and smaller (which one may suspect, was their plan all along) until what was left is mostly cameos by Spock, Mccoy and Kirk. At that point Leonard Nimoy and Deforest Kelley said "no thanks" so their roles were replaced by Chekov and Scotty. My interpretation is they saw TNG movies as the future of the franchise and believed the TOS era is gone yet at the same time they got scared to go all the way and tried to do a "soft reboot" style of a movie. From a business perspective I'm not sure they were wrong - making a full crossover means the franchise would still be in a position were it relies on the TOS crew and on the next movie this crew wouldn't be there anymore. But from purely creative and entertainment point of view obviously I would prefer to see both crews and both Enterprises appear together on the same movie (a fact that, as mentioned, the marketing department knew perfectly well).

Loot Narsbaar

The reason why the Duras Sisters are ferrying him around is in exchange for the trilitium weapon that will supposedly let them reconquer the empire. Soran gives them the access to his blueprints once he is transported down to Verdian 3. It takes one pen stroke by a writer to change that blueprint to an access code, or the final piece of the puzzle to the physical completed weapon. Soran is willing to activate it rn in this moment because he needs the Enterprise eliminated so he can launch his star killer.

Loot Narsbaar

I'm in the minority I know, but I don't give a crap about Kirk meeting Picard or the Ent-D crew. We've done it with Spock, McCoy, AND Scotty already. Having everyone meet everyone makes the universe feel a bit small.

Chris Mickelson

Only one plot hole or incongruity introduced is that Scotty believes Kirk died saving the Enterprise-B, but later when he is heading for retirement and gets stuck in the 24th century during Relics, he says "I bet Jim Kirk himself hauled..." thinking that the Enterprise Riker mentioned was the -A? Anyway, if Scotty believed Kirk died during the events in this movie, why would he assumed Kirk was involved in beinging the "Enterprise" to come save them from the Jenolan later on? I head-canon this by assuming that Soran's efforts with the Nexus somehow shifted the timeline a bit so that the Enterprise-B intercepts the Nexus ribbon instead of an uneventful maiden voyage. Or at least something like that.

Joe Concepts

I do think there was one "giant sin" for me, which is the death of Picard's brother and nephew. But I talked more about that in a Patron Take I hope you read! :)

Tim Nikiforovs

Riker and Kirk are often compared, but thanks to your efforts, we can now definitively say, Riker is Star Trek's biggest whore

Tim Nikiforovs

I don't see it, I don't see it.....I see it.

captveg

I always just head canon that being in a transporter for 75 years has Scotty's memory a bit confused when he first materializes.

Jill Barker

I love this film . Brings back so many great memories from the opening night in the cinema ( ( in the U.K) Everyone turned up in ST uniforms and we shouted, screamed and generally had a ball. Just to be back with our beloved Next Gen crew was fantastic though they hadn’t been gone long! And to see Kirk, Scotty and Chekhov again ! So many wonderful moments . The death of Kirk twice was difficult, but his last scene still makes me cry every single time. We were told by Kirk that he knew he would die alone, yet when that moment came it was so fitting that he had Picard at his side. It was the final passing of the torch between TOS and TNG. How can something I first watched over 30 years ago still upset me ? That is the power of this franchise. Love the cinematography , the character development and scenes between Picard, Troi, Guinan and Data. We all howled with laughter when Data shouted “Oh shit” . So memorable. Yes, there are plot line faults but I didn’t care. For me “Generations” was such a fun ride. It will always hold a very special place in my heart. ❤️

Utterlee

I feel like the lighting looks more extreme on the 4K disc than it did originally. Overall I like it though, it's very dramatic, and other's have said, hides the flaws in the TV sets.

V G (Zay)

I love this movie! I agree with y'all that the tv shows are what Star Trek IS to me, but I enjoy the movies as a fun popcorn time and this one has some really great and iconic moments.

David Kirk

Things many didn't notice or realize: Jonathan Frakes wore Avery Brook's DS9 costume and LeVar Burton wore Colm Meaney's DS9 costume. Frakes instructed Worf to fire a spread of photon torpedoes at the Klingon ship but Worf only fired one.

Gelondil

New sub, first time posting! I've never been a fan of this movie compared to others. It's right around the midpoint for Trek movies. My biggest gripe that pulls this down is that both of Kirk's "deaths" feel hollow. The first was over and done with inside minutes. The second one happened with not a single one of his friends around or even aware that it had happened. That's downright tragic. :( One can hope the rest of his crew are still alive and kicking, and can have a remembrance, but who knows.

Cranky Grandma

C- for me too. I agree with your take.

arojay

First time commenter. I noted Alex's look of confusion at Soren's line "I guess his heart just wasn't in it" when Lursa and B'etor ask if he had gotten any intel out of Geordi. The line is so oddly out of place. This is because there was supposed to be a scene where Soren was torturing Geordi by messing with his heart using "nanoprobes". That scene was filmed, then removed, but the references to it were kept in. Including where you can still hear Crusher telling Geordi in sickbay that she had removed the nanoprobes.

Bammer

Remember what Kirk said to Spock and Bones in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier: "I knew I wouldn't die because the two of you were with me. I've always known I'll die alone."

Brett O

Ultimately the lighting choices in Generations had a lot to do with hiding the imperfections of sets that were made for the small screen in SD and didn't really stand up on the big screen. They made some upgrades to the bridge set, but all the other Enterprise D sets were used as is as. Some of the lighting they used worked - Ten Forward being bathed in yellow light from the Amargosa star made sense as well as Picard being in his quarters with only the light from star through the windows, but other scenes came across as unnecessarily dark, like Picard's ready room or sickbay.

Chris M

One things for sure, Picard was right never to have kids.

Kleayeth

Also a new sub... You mentioned some of the stunt performers. Pat Tallman was generally Crushers double, she was also in Starship Mine alongside Tim Russ, and was also Lyta Alexander in Babylon 5. Great reactions to all of the surprises. Can't wait for you to star Voyager

TalynOne

I don't know if you noticed, but the shot of the Duras sister's Klingon BIrd of Prey blowing up, was EXCACTLY the same shot as from Star Trek 6 when's General's Chang's ship was blown up. Complete with exact same Klingons being blown apart right before the explosion. It's literally the same shot recycled. Also Picard is an idiot, he didn't need Kirk. He could return to any point in time, he could have returned to when Soran was in Ten Forward and easily detainable, or even better yet before the fire that burned his family and warn them. I didn't like this movie at all, everyone was out of character, especially Picard. Movie Picard and TV Picard are completely different people. The only consistent thing is they gave Troi and Crusher nothing to do.

TalynOne

Time is the fire in which Picard's family burns.

Derek Orr

That would explain it for that movie using those sets. But it’s become this weird thing with so many tv shows now …including newer Star Trek shows with bridges that look like no one paid the lighting bill

Derek Orr

Sure. But it’s become a weird thing in so many newer tv shows….super dark scenes. Game of thrones and handmaids tale and newer Star Trek bridges and so many others …I miss seeing things fully lit up to make them feel more believable…..rather than your workplace like a bridge being all about people living in the shadows

Andy Catton

Something I love about this film is that, even though this is Moore and Bragga writing Kirk for the first time, they carried his Star Trek: The Motion Picture arc through. Kirk retook command of the Enterprise from Decker in the first film because he was hollow without it, and here, given command of the Enterprise-B, he willingly reminds Captain Harriman that he belongs on the bridge and gives up the chair for him. It’s a full, self-aware transformation for him — AND we see that he had regrets life choices like any person would. He’d grown and struggled in his relationship with Starfleet, and he came out making the right decision in his own time and in the Nexus. That was long winded, but it’s just well done character work. *Also* The Enterprise-D sets were lit funny in the Armagosa scenes because of the ship’s proximity to the star - it cast that bright golden light in through the windows.

Andy Catton

I headcanon that Picard, with all if his duty and obligation thinking, knew he couldn’t violate the Temporal Prime Directive and so returned to the point that would cause the least amount of changes to history that had already occurred.

TalynOne

I'd say reversing the destruction of an entire solar system, including the enterprise crew, is way bigger temporal event change than returning back a little further in time. I'd say in for a pound, in for a penny.

Sherpa Jones

I wanted to comment on Guinan's wisdom in offering Data another drink. She deduced he was experiencing emotions for the first time and encouraged him to explore and understand unpleasant ones, not to avoid them. That scene was more than just a throwaway gag.

Geoffrey Walker

What are your talking about? The scene talks about how Picard NEVER felt the pressure of carrying on the line and NOW that Robert is dead he feels the pressure.

Geoffrey Walker

Yes, but he can rationalize it by saying “ from what I know of the nexus it is a timeless realm, therefore anything that hypothetically happened after I entered the nexus is exactly that hypothetical”. So from his perspective the ribbon hits him and soran then an instant later it's a few minutes to hours earlier. Now yes can Picard simply extrapolate that because soran succeeded then varidian 4 was destroyed and millions died, sure, however he only knows definitely that soran’s missile fired, the star blew, and the ribbon carried himself and soran into the nexus! Even if you want to say he is not naive he KNOWS that viridian 4 blew up he is the kind of man who will “bend” the rules to save lives and so retconing a few minutes to a few hours of time to save millions is an ends justify moment but changing possibly days or even weeks of time is not. Therefore as a responsible star fleet officer he chose to limit his tampering with the TPD!

TalynOne

Or he could go back in time and retrieve data's head. He interacts extensively with historical figures (Samuel Clemens/Mark Twain) and Guinan’s younger self. There's a bunch more examples that tows the line. Lets not even mention Kirk or Janeway who straight up ignore it.

SGHollywood

I recommend checking out the video the Roddenberry museum released for Apple Vision VR .... 765874 Unification. It's a nice cherry on top for Kirk's death, because it connects to his last words "Oh My".

Highlander Reactions

I remember my heart literally breaking when the Enterprise exploded. It was like my childhood had come to an end abruptly. Then I tuned into DS9, and all was well with the world again.

Highlander Reactions

I'm pretty sure I heard crickets when Josh mentioned Star Trek VI haha

Stuart Arbury

This is just a theory: Whoopi Goldberg was such a big deal by the time this movie came out (Oscar winner, headlining Sister Act) that she/her reps may not have wanted this Star Trek movie to be marketed as a “Whoopi Goldberg movie”. She shows up in the trailer for a snippet but by not crediting her, it means that Star Trek Generations wouldn’t detract from any “Whoopi movies” out at the same time. Why would a star care about this? Look up the situation with Robin Williams in Aladdin. He recorded the VO for peanuts and didn’t want Disney to heavily push him in the marketing because he thought it would suck the oxygen out of his parallel release, TOYS. He was right, and he was pissed at Disney that they really pushed Aladdin as a “Robin Williams movie”.

Jim Hawk

I’ve always wondered if Guinan’s ability to feel timeline related disruptions comes from her being in the Nexus and having an “echo” of herself there. And if so, does Picard acquire that ability after being there.

tasty_coffee85

Generations has always been a good preparation for the best movie of all times. First Contact. In my opinion very "overhated".