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YOUTUBE - Did Star Trek: Generations RUIN the Franchise? | PATRON TAKES (Patreon)

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2026-02-22 05:39:15
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David White

Life is school in which we learn that time is the fire in which we burn. - A line from a great poem.

International Man of Leisure

I think Picard's view on having a family changed after Inner Light. I think there were some slight hints I picked up throughout subsequent episodes that after Inner Light, he saw what he had been missing (family life) and subconsciously missed it. Of course, he is no comparison to Sisko, who is a family man, without question.

Ja Dav

It takes LIGHT over eight minutes to get from Sol to Earth, but somehow a simple rocket took mere seconds to get from Veridian III to the star. If our Sun suddenly ceased to function it would take eight minutes for us to even notice.

Laura Thornley

Micro warp drive equivalent is the only explanation.

Numinous2019

Does Picard KNOW who Kirk is? I mean Kirk's reputation. The only suggestion he does is the line "He's James T. Kirk." That line always struck me as aimed at the audience, not that Picard realises who exactly he has teamed up with. If Picard doesn't know Kirk's entire career then are all Starfleet captains and crews regularly saving the Earth and large sectors of the galaxy?

Ja Dav

Must be the same one as the probe in the TNG episode The Emissary that K'Ehleyr was travelling Warp 9 in that was the size of a twin bed.

Ryan Roach

I think it’s pretty clear he knows who he is.

Numinous2019

With only one line suggesting this, I disagree. At no other time does Picard indicate any familiarity at all. This is just another Starfleet captain to him.

Zerocooleo

Generations is my least favorite by far of the 4 TNG motion pictures!

Schnabley

Kirk’s death on Enterprise B is in an effort to save the ship, noble. Kirk’s death on the planet saved the Sun and several planets including the Enterprise D crew, noble. Kirk could have just gone back to before the Enterprise B launch party and make them reschedule the day to Wednesday, after the torpedos, tractor beam, and medical staff arrive. The ship wouldn’t be in the area and the people would all go into the Nexus, no harm no foul. Would make for a worse plot, but makes more sense.

Drake

Generations is so much better then the last 2 movies, I love it and it's awesome. People can say what they want this is top3 star trek movies for me after "voyage home" and " first contact" . The last 2 movies killed the franchise they are so bad

Cranky Grandma

I’m in full agreement with Kirk’s death being an afterthought and how he needed a better one. There should have been a set up where there was something only Kirk could do. Knowledge only he had. That would have been satisfying. Better even if it tied in to something we saw him do to save the ship the first time, something only he and the viewers knew. As it was it felt like they tossed him in to have a “watch the movie. Kirk dies” marketing moment (we all knew he died before the film).

Cranky Grandma

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Badmiral Burgess

Generations is a solid good trek film for being TNG first one! Of course you can pick apart every little detail if you want, but you’re being too critical if you are. In my opinion, watch any trek made after 2013 and that is what ruined Star trek Not this!

Hat

In the opening 15 minutes of this movie, it is established they are traveling from Earth to Pluto and back to Earth. The movie claims they are the only ship within a 2 week radius of a distress call. Really? There is a recent interview with Ron Moore about writing this movie. He said, everytime he wrote a script, he'd get a list longer than the script of Producer notes he was required to fit in. Each time, he'd rewrite the movie from scratch to make their notes seem rational... and they'd respond with a bigger list. After 6 months, he just gave up and put everything they asked into the script, verbatim, and they signed off and he moved on with his life. I think it shows.

Collin Freeman

I think the originally shot death of Captain Kirk by Soran is better, but still not great. I like Josh's thought that Kirk's real death occurred when he saved the Enterprise B. The reason I like the original ending better (having seen it in rough cut) is it shows that in order to beat or kill Kirk, his adversary would have had to cheat or fight dirty. You were never going to beat Kirk in a fair fist-fight; the only way to have beat him was for Soran to shoot him when he wasn't looking. And there is more to the scene than just Kirk being shot. Better (to me) than dying after falling down a cliff with a metal bridge.

Loot Narsbaar

That part made no sense to me even as a child. The whole probe sequence is maybe the stupidest thing in TNG

Loot Narsbaar

It makes sense if the B is out near Pluto. Depending on its orbit Pluto is 20-30 hours from Earth at impulse. ST1 and BoBW establish that going to warp in a solar system is beyond reckless. Pluto has a strange orbit that puts it above the plain of most of the rest of the solar system. The idea the Enterprise (at the edge of the solar system) is the only ship that can be there like in 15 minutes to save these ships from blowing up isn’t that crazy. Did the writers think this through when they wrote this scene? Probably not. They probably just got lucky.

Hat

Hah, I like that explaination. Although I believe they said the closest ship is 2 weeks away. At impulse, I don't think it takes more than 2 weeks to get from Earth to Pluto. Is Earth defenseless?

Loot Narsbaar

I only reason I knew he died before I saw the film was that I walked into the wrong theatre literally at the moment he died. That was back in the olden days where a movie would be playing on multiple screens in the same complex.

Loot Narsbaar

It hurts me enough to defend this film for the sake of discussing in good faith. Please don't make me rewatch it

Loot Narsbaar

In BobW they have turrets (not literal, but automated weapons) around Jupiter and Mars, I imagine they have Super Turrets around Earth and a bunch of ships, even if it's not established as so... but even if a bunch of ships are protecting Earth they are a day away from the edge of the solar system. Essentially I am arguing it's not crazy that the B was the only ship 15 mins away, not the only ship guarding Earth.

Hat

I guess, given Earth is a major hub, and there are space stations and trade routes, and people commuting from Mars, and military bases, that the entire solar system would be flooded with ships. However, I will acknowledge that 15 minutes away is believable. The movie said 2 weeks is what made me chuckle. I think 2 weeks is ridiculous. Not a big deal... just kinda sloppy.

Loot Narsbaar

Dramatically it feels like they are 15 minutes away

Strekonline.com

As for the Enterprise not adjusting its shield frequencies. How do we know they didn't? Remember that the Klingons could see everything Geordi sees, so they'd see the adjusted frequencies just the same.

Deliximus

Separate the ship. Deploy two shield frequencies. Fire at will. Ugh

Deliximus

But they already established in Descent Part 2 that warp inside a system is doable.

Loot Narsbaar

I think it's one of those rules that is sometimes forgotten for plot convivence. Otherwise a roundabout could get to Bajor in literally one second instead of three hours.

Michael Metrick

If you're picking apart the scientific and technical "errors" of this film, you're missing the entire point.

Hat

The movie says the only other closest ship that could help, is 2 weeks away, not an hour, not a day, not 2 days, it says 2 weeks. That is dumb. If you want to head cannon it, that they really meant a day, or , that is fine, I do that too. But I don't really have a comment on 15 minutes, because the movie doesn't say that, it says 2 weeks.

WEB

Quite the title lol

giuseppe scigliano

It’s a fine movie/story …. But it felt more like a long episode on tv

Scott Woodward

I don't see how that solves the problem at all. Then you have the Saucer Section and the Klingons attacking the rest of the enterprise. Why would you want to fire at Will in the first place? What did Riker even do to deserve that?

Harry Broos

In Relics, Scotty say I bet Jim Kirk himself brought the old girl out of moth balls, BUUUT he saw him die on the B. Trek fans hate continuity issues

Lovok

Full admission: I'm a big "ship" guy. I think the effort, care, and consistency the creators put into the gorgeous Ships of Trek are one of the (many) reasons Trek stands out as a franchise so much. The Enterprise-D is my favorite Trek ship (Refit 1701 a close second). It's a ship I grew up with as a kid. Braga & Moore did the D dirty in "Generations." An old Bird of Prey, even going through the shields, would have been destroyed by the D in under 10 seconds on the show. Instead of that nonsense technobabble about using "ionic coils" or whatever to force it to cloak, they could of just cycled the shield frequency (remember the BORG anyone!?!?) and unloaded a volley of phasers and torpedoes at the old ship and blew it up before it got more than 3-4 shots off. Soooo lame and unbelievable. The crash was quite epic and super cool though, so I'll give it that. Just loathe how easily the D went down to a vastly inferior opponent. If the Duras sisters had 2-3 modern Bird of Preys going through the shields, I could buy it. But one super old one? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr "Generations" suffers from a lot of these type of problems, where the writers were obviously rushed and didn't really think through the details well. The uniform problems (going back-and-forth between scenes), Picard's choice of when to come out of the Nexus and how easy it was for him to bust out of "paradise," the ridiculousness of Soren's little rockets being able to take out entire stars and the D not being able to shoot them down in time (please...). Also not a fan of "introducing" Picard on the big screen with off-screen traumatic news. The movie frustrates me in so many ways, but I will concede it has a lot of to offer too. The themes are excellent, the cinematography and effects are top-notch, acting is very good, and it has some truly excellent character beats (Picard/Data in stellar cartography being a standout). Very mixed feeling on this film. C+ for me.

Lovok

As flawed as the last two TNG films are, I never found them to be "that bad." Just very flawed. Still plenty to like about both of those films imho.

Loot Narsbaar

Ok I rewatched the part I'm thinking of (Ent-B era, so it doesn't hurt so much), and surprise surprise I'm wrong again. Capt. Useless says they "cleared the asteroid belt" when the distress call comes in. Then after that they say the refugee ships are three light years away. Then yes, if they're not out by Pluto this really makes no goddamn sense. That's a bit of a journey in Kirk's time. Any like so many problems in the movie the logic could be fixed by letting Loot cross the Is and dot the Ts and it would not have cost them a dime more.

Loot Narsbaar

I bought the first 10 trek movies in 4K HDR from apple for a combined bundle of $20 don't judge

jon bolton

Generations is in my favourite 50 movies, the only film i love more is Star Trek 6. It had everything i want in a Star Trek film. I love it.

Major Daniel H

Surprised it hasn’t been mentioned, but there are a whole series of non-Cannon books written by William Shatner along with somebody else who continues Kirk’s adventures into the next generation era. Where he’s resurrected by the Romulans using borg tech somehow. He has to break free. He teamed up with Picard and Riker. He has adventures with old man bones, and Spock. I think Scotty shows up it’s been a long time since I read them, but non-Cannon so there you go.

Gelondil

It would take far, far more than even a Star Trek Holiday Special to RUIN the franchise. 😀

Michael Collins

It would be weird for the chief engineer to be calmly looking at their shield frequencies during a ship emergency. Geordi would be running around engineering putting out fires.