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okay karen!! | One Tree Hill 3x5 'A Multitude of Casualties' First Reaction! (Patreon)

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2026-09-28 03:37:42
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I have zero hope and faith that Karen is going to win and while this does fill me with immense rage, the fact that I'm already processing that will make it hurt less. I do love that she never makes dan's life easy though. Brooke in that last scene telling Lucas what she wanted. yeah, I felt that. sorry for the long rant about it. boys are dumb 🤣 but omg, new character alert!? 👀

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Yasemin

Hey Ry, I need my GG fix :). And do you think we can get the double ep we talked about, some time? Thank you!

TheLoungingPotato

Unfortunately, Dan Scott is exactly the kind of man I think of when I think of a politician This episode also showcases a bit of the ugly side of Brooke that I can't ever *really* defend. A part of me wants to chalk it up as men in the writers' room trying to write conflict between teenage girls in the mid 2000's. But it would be biased of me to ignore her slut-shaming and jealous outbursts directed at innocent women when those women have an interest in Lucas As far as I can remember, I don't *think* she ever really acted that way until Lucas cheated on her, so it could very likely be a result of the trauma that caused. But I'm also not sure if that's just me trying to find deeper meaning where there isn't any lol THAT BEING SAID, Rachel retaliating against Brooke's initial attitude towards her since the moment they met by undermining Brooke in every aspect of her life was a craaaaaaazy form of retaliation lmao. God, but she did it so effectively. I'd be impressed if I wasn't so confused on how it worked SO quickly lol. After Rachel really started to fuck with her life, I don't blame Brooke for becoming so aggressive in getting Single White Femaled out of nowhere

Mandz

I feel like Lucas’s anger with Nathan in the beginning of the episode stemmed from him and Haley being under the impression that it was Nathan who kissed her at the party last episode (but we know it was really Chris), and Nathan obviously knows nothing about the kiss incident since it was never mentioned. So Lucas likely thinks that was “Nathan” toying with her by kissing her and brushing off the “moment” she thought they had (I believe this episode had a deleted scene with Lucas and Haley discussing their dilemmas with Nathan and Brooke). That and as you mentioned, the parallels between Brucus and Naley’s relationships going through like “trials of trust”, so Lucas was probably projecting his frustrations with his relationship struggles. Also, Lucas and Nathan have been cold to each other since the end of last season, which was shown in practice). Just wish they could get back to being close as brothers again.

Ryann Rodkey

Wait omg you’re so right!! I lowkey forgot that Haley had told him that Nathan kissed her but this makes total sense on why he’d be coming that hard for him 🤣🤣 omg. If only Lucas said ‘why would you kiss her!?’ That would’ve cleared it right up but then we wouldn’t have the pleasure of the brawl 🩶

cruzinbosco

I feel that's always been in Brooke. I mean the way she behaved in 1x7 "Life in a Glass House", towards Peyton is what this reminds me of. I feel that Brooke's greatest fear is always being abandoned/replaced/not being enough and so she lashes out and it's usually at another girl. And I hate how she expects Lucas to know what she wants him to do, when her actions and words go against that. If you want him to fight for you, tell him that! Stop playing games (just as she did that night in 1x7 with both Lucas/Peyton and Nathan/Haley). But I know she just has to grow and learn.... and heal. I have faith in her. Just hard to watch her set up the exact scenario she is trying to avoid. =/

TheLoungingPotato

Wait, you’re so right. Thank you for reminding me about Brooke’s greatest fear! I have no clue why that entirely slipped my mind about the catalyst for her negative behavior but you’re 100% correct about where it stems from

SB

The thing girls don’t realize with guys especially when they’re trying to make things up is we believe when you tell us what you want. We don’t do the mind games/testes and when we do we’re more upfront with it like Nathan was. I guess as a guy I understand where Lucas is coming from because he feels like he’s trying everything to get her back and so of course he listens to what she says because he thinks that is what she wants. I get Brooke’s side too is just confusing especially at that age

.jazbati

she did act that way consistently. even with felix. remember her taking shots at the girl he took to tric bc she was mad at him? something about thinking he'd go for someone with a little more class. and then ryann gasped when he threw it back "i went out with you didn't i?" but she did start the discourse 😭

TheLoungingPotato

That was post-Lucas cheating on her though, was my point

Nana

dying waiting for more GG.

Ryann Rodkey

And I agree with that. I don’t love the mind games either, I don’t play that way at all. I just see where she’s coming from in the sense of he cheated on her with her best friend, then she’s kind of giving him a chance, he claims he’s the guy for her, he’s not going to do anything, she says do it and he does it bc she says so is just dumb behavior. Like if you didn’t want to, you wouldn’t just do it bc someone said so. It shows that your words are meaningless bc something as simple as that makes you go be with someone else when you don’t actually want to? It’s the exact reason she was worried about being exclusive. Blaming her for his actions bc she said go for it is wild. He wouldn’t have gone for it if he didn’t want to, and that’s the point I suppose

Ryann Rodkey

Yes I do agree- I do not like that she goes for the women instead of just being mad at Lucas who is playing into it. Rachel doesn’t help by then going ten times harder back but like I said, Brooke shouldn’t have ever tried blocking her from the team just bc she doesn’t like her bc she danced with Lucas. Idc much about her being mad at Lucas bc I think he’s flat out being dumb here. But coming so hard at Rachel when she’s upset with Lucas isn’t okay!

Seth

I know someone else talked about it, but I just wanna say that Brooke absolutely started the bad blood between her and Rachel. Rachel did explicitly ask if Lucas was single before dancing with him at the Halloween party thing. & then at cheer auditions Brooke had crazy attitude. Imagine being the new girl and someone you barely even know is taking shots at you. I feel like most people would've fought back too - Rachel just did it in a super over the top way. That said, I love Brooke and obviously they're just high schoolers with flaws like all of us were back then. I've been dyingggg for you to get to season three of OTH and I'm so glad you made it haha! <3

Emmanuel Paquette

Ryan your missing the point about the drawing lie from Ellie. She did it because she didn't want to take Peyton adoptive moms place. Peyton wanted to feel like she got stuff from her adoptive mom like the talent to draw so Ellie lied about it. It's very considerate to Peyton's feelings.

Ryann Rodkey

no I do fully understand that point. my point is, if you're going to do a nice thing to be considerate of her feelings and lie about being able to draw, why would you then draw a picture of her for your article and state that it was drawn by the author when the chances of Peyton finding it are very high? that is just once again, going to make Peyton untrusting and feel betrayed by the lie? like if you're going to do that, don't draw a picture that is easily traced back to you and be surprised that she's upset about the fact you blatantly lied in her face AGAIN. it makes zero sense. the sentiment behind it was kind initially but this woman has lied to Peyton since she got there and instead of being honest in that moment about the drawing, she lied again to be considerate only to be super careless and hurt her even more in the long run than if she just came out and told the truth initially.

Ryann Rodkey

totally agree! the hate from Brooke was uncalled for right off the bat. she shouldn't have acted the way she acted, especially being unsure about putting her on the team bc she personally had bad feelings for the girl. Rachel didn't need to go AS hard back, but Brooke for sure started it

.jazbati

bro i totally forgot dan anally penetrated a dog with a toothbrush as part of his deb vengeance like WTAF level of psychopathy is this incidental bestiality

Jordan James

I’m sorry I don’t agree with Brooke at the end at all. Lucas has been saying for the past 4 episodes that he wanted exclusivity with Brooke. Even at the beginning of this episode. I think she’s lashing out specifically because it’s Rachel. But I don’t agree with her thinking he hasn’t fought for her. While it was wrong to bring Rachel around to make Brooke jealous I think it was just a ploy to make Brooke realize deep down that she doesn’t want this non exclusivity as much as she thinks she does.

Lindsay

Season 3 is just soooo good! Every episode just is so epic!! ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

MarkusR

My problem with Brooke here is that Lucas did exactly what she wanted this entire time. She set the rules and he was complying with everything and on top of that he was not going out with anyone while she is free to and he was totally fine with it. But then Brooke said that he wasn't holding up his end, that: "In order for this to work there has to be a balance. I kiss a guy, you kiss a girl, I kiss two guys..." Lucas: "I kiss you twice" This is exactly the kind of response Brooke said she wanted at the end of the episode. But she didn't let Lucas off the hook and accept it, instead she doubled down and made sure he knows that he's not playing by the rules if he "kisses her twice", he has to comply and ask the specific girl out that she points to. He asks *twice* if she really wants him to ask her out and she says yes *twice*. (I get that she didn't mean to point at Rachel, but that's on her, she's setting the rules, all she had to say was "not her, the girl behind her") At that point, what should he do? He doesn't want to play these games in the first place, but it's what Brooke said she wanted and it's the only way she is going out with him. If he says no, he's saying no to Brooke's rules and she was clear that they would only date on her terms. He knows if he doesn't play by her rules, they break up. Also, let's take Rachel out of the equation for a minute and pretend Brooke points to the girl she meant to. Brooke is seriously forcing Lucas to ask out some innocent girl that has no chance at all with Lucas, because he isn't actually interested. So one of the two stars of the basketball team in a basketball town is asking her out, she gets all excited, but it's just some stupid game that Brooke is playing on her and Lucas. That's totally fucked up. I would break up with someone just for suggesting something so cruel, but Brooke is getting off easy because of the Rachel misunderstanding and how unlikable Rachel is. If Rachel wasn't part of this, Brooke would just be a jerk.

Alex

Brooke creates unnecessary drama. She wants Lucas to act exactly like he did in the first place lol What's the point ? It is confusing asf

.jazbati

yeah i totally agree. imo the writers were pretty careful here to make it so that everyone appears equally culpable and sympathetic. like lucas agreeing to ask rachel out and going along w brooke's ploy would make him a pure dick if he didn't quite quickly own up to rachel about it and she wasn't into it + the one to take it further and he hadn't already tried multiple x with brooke, brooke insisting on the ploy would make her unlikeable unless we weren't already primed to feel her pain/insecurity and view her meanness & scheming semi-comedically (see how she's always treated the cheer squad), and rachel would seem just a victimised new girl if she didn't so readily join in and escalate + wasn't so hot & intentional about amplifying brooke's insecurity w lucas. i do think written out like that it's clear rachel's the actually least 'bad' of the 3 in the situation despite the narrative leading you to see her as the antagonist. ultimately she IS the new girl at school who has been caught in the crossfire of a mindgame between the head cheerleader/student body president and a star of the basketball team and is fighting fire with fire when literally basically the most popular/socially powerful girl in the school immediately marked her as an enemy and has been hostile and exclusionary towards her since the day she arrived.

Emmanuel Paquette

To me Ellie had a split second to take a decision and didn't think of what were the odds of this lie being found out or not. She walks on egg shells from the start with Peyton and doesn't want to brush her and she tries to be as gentle and considerate as possible but its hard to start this relationship slowly as almost every new information is so trigger sensitive with Peyton and impactful. Im your mom you never knew about i got cancer probably going to die and your almost exactly like me unlike the mom who raised you its so hard and she is trying to be as gentle as she can but lies isnt the best choice but white lies doesnt make her a bad person in the slightest shes trying her best.

Luna

I’m actually so mad at my Patreon for not letting me get the notification for this episode… it’s such a great one and we meet one of the most polarizing characters on the show: Rachel! Personally, I’m in the minority when I say that I never really cared for her, even if I get her appeal lol. I also can’t imagine the show without her because she’s so important for so many reasons later on. Fun fact: She’s actually Jensen Ackles’s wife in real life. Her name’s Danneel :)

Luna

Lucas is such a mixed bag and Brooke’s so confusing. They’re both so messy but I love them so much lol. I’ll take the angst tho bc yk I love me a slow burn 😭❤️

Yasemin

Same. Always. lol

.jazbati

hellew pls kindly advise 3x6 eta xx