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The Walking Dead 2x12 Uncut Reaction (Patreon)

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The Walking Dead 2x12 Uncut Reaction

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Comments

DRIP DROP

Friendly reminder this is only season 2 😉

erin🦅

Oh boy… been waiting for this one

Divinerights

Like fr, it only escalates (and successfully I believe)

Jayden Iten

Ooo I been waiting on this one

DRIP DROP

I agree. Loved TWD to the end

Farbod

RIP The Glaze

DRIP DROP

Wingman = Daryl >>> Shane

DRIP DROP

Glaze is already strong and im only 15 minutes in

Buğrahan Bilaloğlu

Well now they cant glaze him anymore even if they wanted lol

Oriana Lo Presti

Omg gotta shower and do a few things first but I cannot wait.

Crispy

lori is in my top 5 worst characters of all time.

DRIP DROP

Shane took Rick to the field with a premeditated plan to commit murder. Rick stabs Shane and they're in disbelief. Lmao im glad the Shane glaze can be put behind us now

Katie Thomas

Tomorrow is the anniversary of my mom’s sudden passing so saying bye to Shane again is such a nice little treat. Great character but a terrible person. Byeee

Casey

These are the only reactors I’ve watched that have been on Shane’s side this long into the show. If not after the CDC, then Otis definitely puts others off.

Korivex

Notice that Shane didn't go to Rick after he spoke to CARL.... it was after he spoke to LORI. He didn't approach Rick because he wanted to 'help' it was because he wanted to bide some time.... he wanted Rick to postpone taking Randal and go talk to Carl so he could plot out this plan to kill Rick. While I understand why Lori said what she said and it made sense... it was THAT conversation that led Shane to want to take out Rick. He thought, based on what Lori was saying, that if Rick was out of the picture she would still be with him.

Kristoffer

Shane is the best character in Season 2 and one of the best in the enitre show! But Shane HAD to go, good on Rick, but he will definently NEVER be the same after this...

Kristoffer

Dont say that, they can still glaze him even tho he is dead ;)

lewis mcrae

I love Shane as a character and I think Jon Bernthal killed it in the role but make no mistake, morally Shane is a bad person. I know Bernthal had proposed an alternative scene for his death where after he had turned, Rick would pick up Shane's gun and go to shoot him with it only to find that it was empty, the idea being that Shane had no intentions of killing Rick but rather he wanted Rick to kill HIM but the writers didn't go with it.

Kristoffer

Guys Lori saying that to Shane, was what made Shane do this, Lori saying that was what made him ultimately want Rick out of the way, but he squared up with the Rick sooo...

Korivex

The reason that you are all so shocked by all of this is because you failed to see Shane's unraveling throughout. If you watch the first two seasons again you might see what is going on better. I agree on some things. Shane was a bit of a 'pig', lets say, throughout life... sleeping with everyone even married women when he was in high school. BUT... he loved Rick like a brother and would do anything for him. In a flashback when he was trying to get Lori and Carl out of the city, he even said... 'we are doing what Rick would want.' So yes, Shane was a great friend to Rick for a long time. But during the fall he made Lori and Carl his 'excuse', they were his reason to fight. With out them to fight for, it was kind of empty... like 'why bother', 'why fight', so he NEEDED them. That is why he 'lost it'. That is why he said 'THEY saved ME'.... It was just sad all around. I really liked the Shane character too, he brought a lot to the show. You all just failed to see his unraveling because you were so focused on the good friend he USED to be.

Kristoffer

I agree with you guys, people should stop being conclusive about characters, and just debate what you guys have already seen! If i ever did, i apologize and i promise i wont in the future!

Kristoffer

Shane would definently have killed the group by now if he was the leader and no Rick was there!

DRIP DROP

They said it was the comments putting bias. No lmao they just turned a blind eye because they liked the actor. He killed Otis in cold blood, tried to SA Lori, pointed his gun at Rick, caused mass hysteria on Herschels farm, kills Randall, attempts to kill Rick, i mean come on already

erin🦅

The entire season leads up to that moment in the field between Shane and Rick. Lori talking to Shane this episode is what gave Shane hope to reconcile with her, all he needed was Rick out of the picture. Shane is a very complex character, yes a badass, but not a good person. Rick didn’t have a choice in the end and you can tell how much it hurt Rick to have to kill someone he saw as his brother.

Lyn Hurst

Sorry, Katie, for your loss.

erin🦅

Biggest thing though, Jon Bernthal… what an amazing actor!! Especially in the scene in the barn with Randall and the field with Rick.

SnorlaX

i think you two think way harder than you need to about this show

Farbod

This is a spoiler.

Kristoffer

Great Villian tho, and you can definently feel for villians, but you also have to see them for what they are!

erin🦅

I’d be really interested if you guys rewatch the first two seasons, if you pick up on some of Shane’s behaviors that you maybe didn’t see the first time

Korivex

Really???? You not need to say any of that. You just want to spoil the show.

erin🦅

I personally think Walking Dead is even more crazy than Game of Thrones when it comes to the fact that no one is safe😂 Shane dying in season 2 is a prime example

Lyn Hurst

I initially liked Shane, but after he tried to SA Lori at the CDC, I could not. I know too many women who had husbands and boyfriends who either tried to force themselves on their partners or actually did. It is so violating and some people never get past the PTSD. . Then he also got cocky which also turned me off. You can be tough without having to brag about how tough you are and how much you "protect the group". I did like the way Jon Bernthal played the character though. It is tough losing two characters back to back. The farm is also being overrun. I think when the cattle broke through the fence and Hershel mentioned it last episode and then Maggie said with 50 head of cattle we might as well be ringing the dinner bell was definite foreshadowing. I did think the scene with Rick and Shane out in the field with the full moon was full on horror. Imagine having to kill your best friend even if he had turned to someone unrecognizable by this world. Many people would lose their wits for less.

rachel pelfrey

Im afraid to watch, afraid they will act like this came out of the blue LOL

Katie Thomas

“how did we get here, at the beginning he was trying to save Rick”. Yea and then he pointed his gun at Rick’s back and would have shot him, he SA’d Rick’s wife and then tried to kill Rick when they went to drop off Randall...the signs were literally always there. And if you thought both of them were walking out of this scenario after he “went too far” (for the 3rd time, let’s be real), you’ve got another thing coming with this show, because that wasn’t happening. Rick understood that when they stepped onto that field.

SnorlaX

How is that a SPOILER nerds. SHANE JUST DIED AND TURNED INTO A WALKER without getting bit

JonSnow21

The acting between Andrew Lincoln and Jon Bernthal at the end was one of the best performances in tv history.

Crispy

Shes for the streets 😆😋

Veilsix

Obviously been waiting for this one since the beginning, as always it’s been a blast to watch these again with you guys and remember just how good this show was. As far as people judging you for liking certain characters I hope your words reach people but you’re probably throwing pearls to swine for the most part. There’s a lot of functioning mongoloids out there who lack any sense and can’t imagine a perspective different than their own. To your points there is such a thing as a great character that is villainous but still engaging and good for the story. Some people don’t have the mental or emotional depth to appreciate characters and arcs and only see them as black and white good or bad and align with them that way. You guys had a generous view of a man thrown into a world of chaos, who tried to have something good in his life that gave him purpose and then had it torn away after countless times risking his life and losing, yet was supposed to be grateful for it. Things may have been different had he or Lori been more upfront with Rick earlier and had Lori been more empathetic with Shane. Unfortunately that’s not how it went and the rest is history. He tried to do the unthinkable in the end and lost the coin toss. And it was tragic, the loss of what could have been had things been different. Don’t pay attention to the dimwits just keep enjoying what you enjoy with the knowledge you have and let the show’s surprises and ups and downs take you on the fun ride, who cares how others feel about each and every detail. Looking forward to the next one guys!

Shawneeboy

This is TwD ANYONE can die I feel like these past two episodes are to remind you of that..

Andrew R

The fact that they were still rationalizing Shane's behavior after he killed Randall says all you need to know. Pudgey says, " but Randall admitted he was going back to his group" as a way of giving Shane a free pass. Also, Shane telling Rick he needed to tend to his son wasn't Shane caring about Carl, he was trying to delay Rick from taking Randall away so he could drag him out and kill him and then kill Rick. Ngl I'm glad the Shane worship is over. It always sat wrong with me how much they hated Jimmy and Kim (for the results of their indirect actions) and then turn around and worship Shane regardless of how his direct actions killed and hurt people and how unstable he was.

Andrew R

When you pair it with how much they hated Jimmy and Kim at the end of BCS their love for Shane is baffling. Jimmy bowling balls and prostitutes and wrong place and wrong time don't compare to the murder and chaos that Shane caused.

Oriana Lo Presti

Uuuugh I'm excited. OKAY. Pudgey. What do you mean: Shane was wrong but THIS?! What do you meaaaaaaan? Shane gave him no choice. Shane did all of this to kill Rick. Dale said it, sooner or later he's gonna kill someone else. What was Rick supposed to do? Shane gave him no choice whatsoever.

Cherrie

I agree with you guys about Shane! I love Shane's character and I agreed with him on everything. I just know love pushes people to do crazy things at times. And this has been building for Shane and when Lori said everything that she said, it just pushed him and confused him. And he felt like he had to act to take care of Randall and that if Rick wasn't there, Lori would eventually come back to him. I missed Shane so much throughout the series

Oriana Lo Presti

It would make no sense though unfortunately... Because Shane wanted to kill him. There was plotting, thinking, and clear intent.

TalbertInc

That conversation with Lori is the reason Shane did what he did, he listened to Lori say all that and then heard “so I’ve still got a chance.”

rachel pelfrey

Speaking for myself, they're my favorite reactors at this moment. I love how balanced and though and empathetic they are. I didnt ever judge them for like a character, i pushed back on what I saw as an almost complete disregard of the negative signs shane was displaying. I still think they're very balanced. Idc if they like shane I like shane. There was just not a lot of foresight regarding Shane's behavior and what that meant for the future

Oriana Lo Presti

I do see Pudgey's POV about not being too vocal when we know the outcome. However, I will say, at least from my POV, this wasn't some sudden change from Shane. The season has been leading up to this, Shane is slowly declining, showing his true colors, I personally always saw signs of Shane being dangerous and unstable, more and more as the episodes went by.

Amber

Here's a PSA: It's not a spoiler to dislike and absolutely put down a character that attempts SA. It doesn't take knowing the outcome to hate the character from that moment further.

PokeTheBear

Watching your reactions so far, I honestly looked at Shane in a new light, I initially didn't like him when I first solo watched, but as I've rewatched the series you can really see all the different sides of him, so it was refreshing to see you guys like him a lot from the jump. One thing that remains universal across reactions though is how people feel about Lori lmao

Oriana Lo Presti

Funnily enough... Weirdly enough... I've re-watched this show multiple times... And my view on Lori has actually kinda changed this time around 🤣

Kristoffer

Nah Game Of Thrones is unhinged, SPOILER IF YOU HAVENT SEEN GAME OF THRONES… Ned Stark litteraly dying season 1? And Red Wedding?!?

Kristoffer

You cant help yourself huh? It hasnt been made clear yet in the show? Why say it now?

PokeTheBear

Idk why the scene in this episode where she talks with shane completely disappeared from my mind lol

Martin Gašpar

you guys have on idea what´s ahead of you, people argue about this but imo, the best TWD starts here

Hamad

Good riddance ✌️🥳 , this episode showed us that Lori wasn’t really the problem she apologised for everything and Shane ruined it

Evan

The thing about Carl's headshot is that The Walking Dead is the kind of show where characters are good when they need to be and bad when they need to be to serve the plot.

ShanB

Shane snapped. That will always be my view of what happened to him. He started strong and gradually got weakened enough by his trauma to just give in to his dark side. I see it like he just said “screw it” - the final phase was him finally just killing his best friend and “taking back his family” like his worst impulses have been telling him to. I feel like the subtle signs were there that he was headed this way because it was always sneaky disrespect toward Rick in his conversations with Lori. That showed the man who was Rick’s real friend was gone.

Josh

Season 6,5, or 7 🤣🤣🤣🤣 yea I knew he wasn't making it out season 2 he made numerous mistakes starting from season 1 he definitely had to go still one of my favorite characters tho

ShanB

Yeah turns out Hollywood loves to kill Sean B and Jon B on screen

rachel pelfrey

I appreciate your guy's reactions and the fact you don't simp for shows or apologize for biases. it's one of the things i love about your channel. However, for my part, my frustration about the Shane thing wasn't because i knew the future, it was because of what was happening and what had already happened. Having said that, i actually thought your reaction was pretty reasonable. You guys loved shane and also acknowledged his negative actions. (WATCH THEIR INTROS & OUTROS) When i first watched this i was so mad because i hated that his character was lost and had to die and that rick had to kill him and carl had to see that. I didnt think i could go on so i completely understand. I took a break but when i came back to the show i loved it EVEN more believe it or not. but yes it was crushing for all this to take place

rachel pelfrey

because at this point-esp if you actually hear their commentary-its a mystery it is NOT definite. S&P DO NOT KNOW, just let it go dude

Bill B.

Agree 100%. And this season has been excellent so far!

Bill B.

Totally agree I looked at Shane in a whole new light. But I knew what would happen and it all began at the barn, since then little hints have been dropped and Shane’s character has gradually devolved until he snapped.

Bill B.

Yeah I think if Lori doesn’t thank Shane and apologize to him, he doesn’t snap and cook up this plan this episode. Plus hearing from Carl that he was too scared to shoot a walker. All this just confirms for Shane what he says right at the end, that he is a better man for Lori, a better father to Carl.

Bill B.

Let’s not forget that 2 episodes ago when they first tried to release Randall, the plan went to shit when Shane and Rick literally tried to kill each other. The only thing keeping them alive was all of those walkers from that building, new enemy, all humans have to unite. From that point it was kind of inevitable that there is no longer room for both Rick and Shane. Shane had made his decision, Rick naively believed that he had brought Shane back and patched up the relationship.

Bill B.

Spartan nice job picking up on the foreshadowing of Carls conversation w Shane… when you rewatch that scene you’ll see it all there. Really great writing!

DRIP DROP

That would have actually been Badass ending to Shane. Have Rick hesitate and look down shocked at the gun, shane zombie get ontop of Rick, Carl shoots Shane. But yea, wouldn't make sense with Shane pulling off the killing Randall as a cover to kill rick

Bill B.

How are we going forward without Shane? The same way we all did as this show grew to be the most watched live airing, at its peak it was like 17 million per Sunday night, which is a tough spot in the USA, considering for the fall and early winter it competed with Sunday Night Football.

Anta Dasu

Shane was thinking of killing Rick in the first season and killed Otis, but maybe that was necessary to save Carl. Shane was very aggressive, but besides those moments I suppose Shane is partially right. In my opinion he just took it too far sometimes and wanted to prove his point. In this episode, Shane obviously crossed the line. Even though I see it as a loss to loose such a skilled fighter, I can't remember feeling as shocked as you were. Maybe because I was pro Rick.

Bill B.

The character Shane was a tortured soul. The actor Jon Bernthal was fantastic in every episode. For an actor to portray a character who can create so much division among the fan base, that’s a great actor perfectly playing an incredibly well written role.

Leslie

Honestly the series gets so much better after these two seasons and I see the whole Shane thing as a good kickoff to changing who Rick is as a person. As for the love for Shane idk I think its okay to like who he was rather than who he became. I think a lot of the forgiveness for him usually just comes from those who love his actor ( of course he’s amazing). But at the end of the day he was always going to turn out like this and his death needed to happen. This show’s so good 💯

Fr

Great episode. Finally no more Shanenigans :D

Nathan Jasper

It's all in perspective how each person perceives a character. Take Breaking Bad for instance. Walt did a lot of horrible things and devolved as a person but that doesn't change the fact that he's an awesome character. Shane is a great character despite being a horrible person.

Cole Troutman

Idk if anyone mentioned or if yall read comments but Dale's rv is the same rv used in the production of breaking bad. It's the "crystal ship". Oh and in the start of the season, when Daryl open Meryls bag of drugs, the bottom is full of meth and the meth is blue

Gravy

I felt like loris admission is what pushed Shane over the edge bc he took it more as she’s leaving it open now she pulled back from her harsh position

Daniel

No it is not the same RV🤣 They're two different models lmao if you don't know anything about car or vehicles in general I recommend you to go study some before commenting lies lmao

Demo

Although y’all did give Shane wayyyyy more grace than he deserved, y’all articulated everything very well in the recap. He was a character that was never supposed to make it past szn 2 and I think that is why everyone was so up in arms about the Shane glaze because Shane’s fall from grace was the point of the szn. Shane in season 5, 6 or 7 of this show would have been a monster lol

Aya17 (edited)

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2026-10-11 02:00 Im pretty sure Jon Bernthal said on a podcast that he cried when his character got killed. I think he definitely wanted to be on maybe a little longer but either way he was great in this role. I never liked Shane but when he died I remember being like “damn” just cause the actor brought a lot to the show. Good thing about this show is that they never fail at bringing on incredible characters.
2025-09-01 03:44

Gravy

His direct actions saved Rick’s entire family at the beginning saved carls life also took Otis’s but Rick could live with that trade, also whether shane was trying to distract Rick or not he was right in that moment and you could see it on Rick’s face that’s why he went to talk with him. I didn’t like Shane like they do but I understand their point of view.

Paul

Spartan the yapper 🤣 Great discussion at the end. Andrew Lincoln's acting after stabbing Shane to death, the utter devastating sorrow in being forced to kill his best friend (he clearly still cared for him deeply), spectacular performance it was. In the end, Rick brought a knife to a gunfight. Rick won.

Jennrw13

I've been waiting to get to this episode, and your reaction didn't disappoint! You are allowed to love whatever characters you want to - even the bad ones! :) I've loved watching the show again with you, and you have made me think about some of the characters in a different light. We each view the characters and their actions through a lens of our own personal experiences and biases. And I feel like this show is written in a way that makes each of us question our own humanity and what we would do and who we would become in this post-apocalyptic world.

Ken

I think Lori’s apology made Shane feel like Lori had feelings for him too, and the main person getting in the way of her fully expressing that Love was Rick. Pushed him off the edge.

c-evinrude

It says a lot that you call people mongoloids and dimwits for having a different opinion than them. Thats the whole point with reacting, we are not always going to agree with them. Sure, there are always people who take it too far but in my experience people didn’t care so much that they liked the character (a lot of people do) but that they were blind to anything he did that was bad, you know almost as if they saw it in BLACK AND WHITE 🤷‍♀️For me that didn’t make it a good enough discussion. But what do i know? im just a dimwit

Dreamknight942

You agreed with him on “everything?” Every action he took you agreed? Wild if true…

c-evinrude

Yes its almost as if THEY only saw it in black and white in my opinion. I also loved Shanes character and i know i agreed with a lot of things he did, but i could also see that he was spiralling. And i dont like the bad taste i got in my mouth with their view of Lori, like she was the bad guy in everything, that she was the one cheating on her husband, not that he slept with his best friends wife. They have always been one of my favourite reaction channels but i have never felt this bad feeling with any other reactors.

Dreamknight942

I think this would entirely miss the point though, Shane had lost it by now. He absolutely wanted to kill Shane. He’s a complex character for sure. But by this point he was unhinged

Elora D. Dragneel

I really enjoyed watching Shane's arc with you guys - your discussions are too much fun :)

Olive_Sandy

Ahh thank goodness Shane is gone 😂 let’s not bring him up again please!

Cloudrazor

And ppl will still make it out to be Lori’s fault

Jo

Thank you this is a good comment for real. I agree!

Cloudrazor

Pudgey your point about ppl not giving Shane the consideration he deserves, you won’t agree, but that’s bc he doesn’t deserve it lol. For example, with Lori, this man tried to rape her. Any consideration she would’ve had for him went out the window at that point. So for me, even though I appreciate her owning up to what she did with him and telling him thank you, I still think she did more than he deserved. For Rick, the consideration he gave Shane after he slept with his wife was not killing him, period. Yes, it’s unfair to Shane about the baby but if it isn’t the consequences of your own actions. Shane “it ain’t like it was before” should get that. As for Shane, I’m not really sure what consideration he was giving everyone when he was always the first to give up on ppl. Didn’t wanna go after the Atlanta group stuck in the city, didn’t wanna go after Merle (which I got but still), wanted to call off the Sophia search before anyone else, brutalized Hershel’s family right in front of him, the list goes on. Not saying there were never times he didn’t consider others but there’s not this noticeable difference on how much more considerate he was with others vs how they were with him. And if they weren’t considerate of him, it was always because he wasn’t considerate of them.

Kayleb Patel

Jenner said that they turn from at least 3 minutes up to hours mabye even up to 48

Kayleb Patel

Its a spoiler, theyre literally questioning it. If we are nerds then youre an idiot

Kayleb Patel

In the comics, Carl is the one who kills Shane while they were out in the field arguing.

Ryan

All because Shane wanted Lori so bad. Dude really lost the plot. Could have just let her go and got with Andrea more instead. I liked Shane and I agreed with alot of what he did, but his obsession for Lori and wanting to kill his bestfriend because of it is crazy work. The group is incredibly weaker without Shane around as far as defense goes.

Kayleb Patel

Not a villian, more of an anti hero. He still wants to look after the group especially Ricks family, but differ on how.

Ryan

Well said, brother.

Travis

I'm glad I watched the whole recap before I commented lmao

Travis

And don't worry S&P Shane isn't totally gone he just became part of Rick from now on...

Dreamknight942

I’m glad you guys concluded that Shane was too far gone. He wasn’t pure evil, he was a rabid dog. Great actor very interesting character. However I think his death is such a good thing for you two. Your focus has been so on Shane and loving him I think now you can favour other characters without seeing them through Shane’s lense. This isn’t a dig at all btw I enjoy your reactions. And I enjoyed your outro a balanced response 🙂

James Waters

Shane still gets a lot of debate and conversation as a character to this day, and hope I ain't speaking out of turn but I dare say that a lot of the pushback you guys got against your praising of his character may have been PARTLY due to people who knew he would try to kill Rick eventually, because before this episode I can completely understand your thoughts on him, I liked Shane when I first watched, but you end up re-contextualizing his decisions after this episode and I think a lot of us agree that Shane would let everyone else in the group die if it meant he got to be with Lori and Carl. He adapted to this world but he wasn't as mentally strong as Rick and he wasn't as clever as Rick. You can argue Rick didn't adapt enough, but Shane was so quick to lose himself. While others like Lori aren't blameless for his descent, in the end he couldn't handle this world. Physically he could, but mentally he just broke. I think when Shane said "I didn't keep them alive, they kept me alive", while it sounds wholesome, it kinda sums up the issue Shane has with handling whats actually happening, and they became his deadly obsession. Thats how I see it anyway.

Cherrie

@cosmic traveler Don't be stupid. I mean his decisions to keep the group safe and to save Carl.

Cherrie

@kristoffer Don't get me wrong, I love me some Rick! 🥰 Rick has always been my favorite character! For me, it wasn't a Rick or Shane, it was Rick and Shane. It's the classic we saw Rick's journey. We didn't see Shane's journey. So we empathized more with Rick. But I often put myself in Shane's shoes to see where he was coming from. Like for example when he killed Otis. If people would stop being so blind, they would go back and see that Shane tried to give Otis the bag the weapons and tell him to leave him, but Otis wouldn't listen and refuse to leave Shane behind! Shane was willing to sacrifice himself, but Otis would have rather they died together. When Shane's objective was to get back to the farm with the tools they needed to save Carl. He had no choice otherwise Carl would have died.

spartanandpudgey

thanks for the lovely comment! we're glad youve enjoyed it with us

Dragon8

So true 🤣

Dragon8

I get that everyone has their own bias, but there’s a difference between simply being biased and completely turning a blind eye to everything a character does. Even watching this episode with you guys, it’s clear that despite him literally coming to this place planning to kill his best friend, you still defend him, try to justify him, and even give him credit.

Julien

Shane pointed a gun at Rick many episodes ago when he thought no one was looking. He literally considered killing his best friend so he could steal his family. So no, we don't dislike Shane because we know this episode. We dislike Shane because he is a piece of shit. Shane is a classic character in literature and mythology: he is the Jealous Second. The one driven by jealousy and resentment who covets what his best friend or brother has. It was always there in the open. He is a version of Iago, from Othello. He is not a good person. That he did many heroics including saving Rick's life early during the outbreak does not change this.

Julien

No one disagrees with that. The disagreement is that some people including our reactors don't see that Shane is a horrible person.

PastaDon

Shit you beat me to it! I'm always so late getting to these reactions, real life takes up too much time.. sometimes

PastaDon

Welp, so long Shane.. you deserved better buddy, but Rick wasn't into sharing sooo.. I mean, sharing is caring, right? Plenty guys out there have multiple wives "looking at you Utah".. Why couldn't Lori have double trouble.. Could've had a nice ceremony, Herschel could've called the proceedings and blessing.. Rick could've walked her down the isle and given her away.. 🤨 Funny Glenn was talking about cleaning the points on that RV.. I got an old 83 honda cb450sc that won't turn over, the points are caked with carbon.. wasn't getting any spark out of the plugs.. gotta reset the ignition timing on the fly wheel, which honestly is a pain in the ass

TalbertInc

He raised his gun at Rick with murderous passion and then sexually assaulted Lori the next episode in season 1. Is that enough reason? Or is that “no reason” as you claimed?

James Waters

To be fair I did say partly. If Shane lived and had a redemption arc and became a fan favourite (more of a fan favourite), I personally think there would be less vitriol, even if its just a bit less. I think it has a not inconsiderable effect. While I mostly disagreed with S&P's takes on Shane, his character is written so well that I can completely 100% see why people have his back in many situations, he makes decisions and acts when everyone else hesitates and this can make you think he often does the right thing even if he doesn't. With this mindset (which A LOT of people have on first watch), the perceived hard but necessary decisions that Shane makes are so impactful that they either outweigh or frankly make you forget stuff like the CDC Lori thing, or raising his gun at Rick. Or you write it off as stupid lapses of judgement. While I appreciate your parallel to literary archetypes, I think that Shane is so memorable and polarizing because he's far more of a complex case, and I disagree either way with people who outright hate him and say he's 100% bad or outright glaze him and say he was better than Rick and he's a protector. He's more nuanced than that in my view. That's my essay lmao

James Waters

Ikr, I fear I was guilty of this a few times, trying to convince them of something to do with Shane, but I always ensured that I commented as though I didn't know what was going to happen. I kinda regret it. Easy to say now I suppose. All I know is that when I first watched the show, after the barn scene I was on team Shane. Not against Rick, but I forgave him for his bad stuff in season one, like Lori did. Once Lori thanked him and apologized to him, I felt that it was okay to write off the CDC thing as she herself did, and she would be the authority on that. But you're right, the fact people were SO against Shane in the comments could have tipped them off that there was no redemption arc. I picked up on that last week and felt dead guilty lol.

The Sims Decades

Shane was a mixed bag of a character even back in the day, Spartans right he's not a season 2 death.

Julien

Here is a question for people who think we only retroactively see Shane as a bad guy because of this last episode: Ep 3 (Three!) of this season, the one where he shot Otis, was book-ended by a very ominous scene of Shane shaving his head in front of a mirror. Here is the scene: https://youtu.be/BCQ7pIdFxBM?si=kn8MikWVBUvfC9y9 Why do you think the show created this scene? To show... a haircut? A change of style? What does that scene mean to you? What message do you think that the show was trying to convey with this scene? (Hint: this is the show SCREAMING at you that this guy has now transitioned into evil. They literally, literally told you this. The only way the show could be even more blatant is if they had him twirl his moustache and go "muhahahaha." How do people not see this?)

PastaDon

Should've had a moth land on his head after he shaved it.. maybe that would've been too obvious

Jamie Neill

Which is strange because he fought hard to audition for Shane, knowing he died. In the comics, he died earlier, so didn’t have as big an arc, & was going to die at the end of season 1 (obviously he can still be sad about it). The whole cast waited through the night until sunset to give his a send off after filming & even the Dale actor flew in for it!

Julien

Lmaooo. Fan of LOST I take it?

Jill

I think this is meant to be like a Ned Stark moment for TWD… NO. ONE. IS. SAFE.

MrMoleHole

The show wanted to make viewers think he was evil and sinister by using ominous music or to suggest he is losing the plot, but the evidence in the story, shanes actions, for the most part, dont support that hes evil. This is the difference between critical consumption and passive consumption.

Julien

Lol no, and strictly echoing the tone of your reply, that's the difference between mindless emotional attachment and having actual moral compass. The notion that this very intentional scene some kind of clever misdirection or even just subtle is completely demented.

RisePhx

Please everyone listen to what they said end of the reaction: Vehemently arguing about a character like Shane whose character makes such a big turn over the show IS an indirect (and I’m sure genuinely unintended) spoiler. I don’t care if you knew he was a bad guy at whatever point in the show. You’re arguing from a point where you know you’ll be proven “right” later. Save it for after we’ve seen their fate. Plus I feel like when people lash out at them liking a toxic character it just makes them double down on it lol

MrMoleHole

No i think they prob were intending something similar to what you described with that scene. But again, just because thats the message the show is trying to get across, does not mean that the story they wrote supports that message. Just because a claim is made does not mean you accept that claim. The evidence needs to support the claim in order for it to be justified.

MrMoleHole

"Shane would let everyone else in the group die if it meant he got to be with Lori and Carl" So would Rick if he had to choose between Lori and Carl's lives or the rest of the group's lives. That's just how most people function, we care more about our family or those close to us than people who aren't as close.

MrMoleHole

Well her treating Shane fairly came far later than it should have.

Hamad

Doesn’t matter bro 😂 , he’s a grown ass man

jmus

I can't stand Shane but this is gold 😂

Gum Gum

rip the goat the show was never the same

Aidan

I liked Shane as a character, a lot. I'm genuinely not sure if you forgot, but Shane raised a gun to Rick's back much earlier on and actually contemplated murdering him. That was the moment I came to my "conclusion" about him. Dale was right, he was truly dangerous and on a dark path since Rick's return, not just this episode.

TalbertInc

The multiple examples of Rick risking his life and leaving his family behind to save members of the group. In S1, RIck gets the group out of Atlanta while Shane leaves them for dead immediately. Rick then goes back into Atlanta for Merle and guns, Shane disagrees. The search for Sophia… I mean literally every possible example disagrees with your assertion here. Considering this is like one of THE character defining differences between Shane and Rick I am very surprised you could say they are the same in this aspect when there’s no evidence for it

Kristoffer

I get you, but Shane as a characher makes it very hard to not pick a side, especially with the last move he pulled in this episode, and dont get me wrong either i love Shanes character, he honestly may even be top 3 character of the entire show for me, but morally Rick is right, Logically Rick is right and Rick is the side I chose from the get go.

Veilsix

I certainly wasn’t aiming that at people who disagree with their assessment of Shane, but at the particular folks who take it to another level and drone on and on about wishing we were past the Shane story because they just GLAZE all over him etc etc. there’s been some outlandish takes on their opinion especially from people who have the benefit of the entire story under their belt. We all can have different takes that’s my entire point, and half the fun is discussing and hearing and ACCEPTING others even if we don’t absorb them as our own. Example I disagree they saw Shane as black and white at all. They gave him a lot of gray area in particular for what Lori put him through.

Veilsix

For the record there was some pretty personal and crazy stuff said and repeated about S&P and their enjoyment of the Shane character, that’s who my comments are aimed at, I’d never throw shade over simple disagreement. Debate and discussion is half the fun on this stuff but we don’t need to make personal judgements about each other for enjoying stories through our own lenses. I hope most understand where my comments are directed and where they aren’t, i just hate seeing people take personal swipes over to shows and when I see it happen I’m eventually hoping to hit back since S&P have to be much nicer about it.

Djp

pudgey is right if she came to terms with him at the start like they did for FUCKING instead of just being pissed for months then warming up to him because hes leaving isnt how u do it you need to set FERM LINES like she did but also tell him yes we did have a thing but end it there but she dragged him along pudgey made me think dif cus i did always think Lori had a SMALL part in it n shane was just low key trash because he was SOOOO pissed he fell in love with his best friends wife n expected him to still have her but idk maybe if she did come at it differently his ego wouldn't be going so crazy and he would except letting her go

Djp
>>185903629

goat XD bro nut in bros best friend like what shane demanded the screen time but you CANT like him thats like liking theon because he changed n became SUPPER loyal after being tortured for years idk why people even fucked with theon to begin with XD he called the starks house symbol a freak the first episode bro was a whole captor getting major respect n calling there symbol a freak XD

Ty

The great thing about this particular claim, is that there are other examples. Aiming a gun at his best friend’s head and attempting to rape the woman he “loves.” These are pretty evil things, with very little room for misinterpretation. Of course there’s nuance, but Shane absolutely succumbed to evil urges. And the show does, in fact, demonstrate as much, contrary to what you’ve said here.

LyndonD

I've never understood your undying love for shane from about half way through this season it was pretty obvious he was a lost cause, HOWEVER, well fucking done for saying what you did at the end, and sticking by your own decisions throughout despite the comments. This is why I pay to watch reactions, because everyone is different and I get to see things through different lenses. Please continue to not be swayed by the crowd, even when you're in the minority!

Andy Eggroll

I get what you're trying to say about refraining from speaking in a manner that seems like there's no retribution for a character because we know ahead of time....but.....how do you explain continuously rooting for a character who since season 1 did some pretty f'd up things like trying to gRape Lori or raising his gun at his own best friend? I came off the Shane train REAL quick as soon as those two things happened. It didn't take me (or a lot of people) until the end of season 2 to realize Shane is not a good person.

Andy Eggroll

I mean waiting for retribution is one thing but I don't know man...I found it a little weird that Shane kept doing questionable things and they kept cheering him on. lol. (or at least kinda downplays it).

Andy Eggroll

Julien - bingo! It did not take for the end of Season 2 for a lot of us to not like Shane. I think a lot of people cannot let go of the grape attempt on Lori (and rightfully so. lol)

Andy Eggroll

lol they don't know what this means yet. hahaha

Josh M

I really enjoyed the post-episode discussion on this one! If all reactors were just an echo chamber and everyone had the same opinions, things would be pretty boring. I'm glad you guys stand by your thoughts on the characters. With that said, I do still disagree on some of the defenses of Shane's actions. He's an awesome character, but the warning signs were clear from the first season alone when he slept with Lori, assaulted her, and pointed his weapon at his "best friend" (which I know you mentioned). It was always going to come to this and Lori's little apology only sped things up and instigated Shane to start scheming. He's complex and interesting. Maybe not completely without redemption. But I could never root for him, especially over Rick. The dude was unhinged and blinded by jealousy and selfishness.

Mark Laniel

dont screw with Rick whenever he tilts his head

Mark Laniel

the way they handle revolvers in this show makes no sense....headshots galore without thinking...handling a 357 magnum for example isn't that simple...cock the hammer...brace for the recoil....you cant just fire away

Tyvonn

Well said

Michael Rawson

Hey guys, I liked your convo about the anti Shane comments - I’m glad you mentioned the attitude behind some of it coming from knowing the outcome. That’s fair and never occurred to me. My criticism wasn’t that you guys like Shane or agreed with his point of view, my issue has been how far you went to defend some of the real sketchy shit he did… like if you had been “this act was wrong” and not justify and excuse it. I don’t think anyone wants you guys to see it black and white - grey characters are the best - lol not wording this right… it wasn’t the support of Shane but rather the absence of criticism of him that was the issue

JoeJoe5443

I'm gonna be honest, I was all about supporting you guys, I love the reactions, but I have to say, when I first subbed to get access to the $6/mo stuff, I didn't realize that there were tiers JUST TO SEE MORE.... I thought there'd be tiers to show support, I get that... But you hiding the most recent stuff behind TWO paywalls is nuts and I'm already gonna unsub from your Patreon. Enjoy the $8.50.... I'm rolling my eyes at your greed right now... Wild.

Amanda Hymans

Is anyone else getting the sign in to watch?

Larry Castillo

Pudgey eyes-roll @48:41 made me laugh so much.. lol . Reminds me of when my gf rolls her eyes at me. . lol

Anaya Imari

The fact that y’all were soooo surprised that Shane plotted to kill Rick….AGAIN!?! Lmaooo. I love y’all reactions. Im glad we are moving onto season 3 now. That’s one of the greatest most iconic seasons!

Anaya Imari

Fun fact! Shane actually dies waaaayy earlier in the comics! It’s actually pretty cool too the way it happened.

Anaya Imari

Absolutely!!! Season three is soooo top tier!! Other seasons too of course.

Skyler

Shane is a well written & complex character. As an adult, I appreciate what he brought to the show & it's conflicts. Seeing him go the way he did by Rick having to make that hard decision as he had seen he was too far gone. I did not like his decision making, he was unhinged and impulsive. Raising his gun on his best friend and SA to Lori was unforgivable for me. Was there ANY room for redemption? We will never know that. But we can assume it will have a long lasting impact on the progression of the show (and Rick specifically). Despite the signs I picked up on (and a good amount of the fandom did as well), it still was a jaw dropping moment for the series. No one should be getting angry at you guys for having a different perspective, like that's the WHOLE point of reacting lmao. This show gives so many perspectives and gives the audience conflicting thoughts, AS IT SHOULD. That is the point of the story telling. Thank you guys!

Skyler

You literally do not have to pay for it. You will be able to see their cut reactions on yt. Choosing to pay for it then complaining it crazy. Greed? It may be their full time jobs & their source of income. If you come on the reactions to just be negative towards them then I doubt they will miss you here :)

JoeJoe5443

Cool story, but your reading comprehension blows. If I'm paying to see premium content, it's what I expect, to see MULTIPLE pay walls is ludicrous. Also, watching movies and shows in front of a camera isn't a full-time job, regardless of the pay. Kidnap a clue. I didn't comment just to be negative, I'm part of a bunch of patreons and comment regularly for creators that I enjoy content for. NONE of them have multiple tiers of paywalls. It's actual delusion to say what these guys are doing isn't greed, could be that greed isn't the right word.... Maybe bait and switch? Kind of scammy. If they want the money for ALL of the content they post, make it one inclusive price, that way people aren't surprised when they pay and still see more locked content. Sounds like you either know them in real life, or you're simping hard for this "lazy" lifestyle of "I sit in front of camera and pretend to smile and react to TV shows". You might actually be psychotic. Lastly, I don't give a hoot if they miss me, but my comment might help others that can see comments and might not want to deal with multiple paywalls just to see their stuff when the ACTUALLY post it. Maybe the creators will read this and act accordingly and just make their whole patreon access cost $13 flat to access everything and not scam with lower tiers. Shady stuff. Do better.

Lee Shafer

Shane crossed the line episodes ago , I’m surprise you never saw it coming . It wasn’t just this episode . And you actually kept sticking up for Shane all this time.

caribe hughes

I love the guy who plays Shane.. you know the actor is good if you can hate him. Not to be the moral police but he violated the bro code or any honorable code.. u don’t sleep with your friends wife and it’s even more evil to do so whilst thinking he’s dead. I was happy when he died.. I do love John Bernthal tho, his punisher kicks ass

JohnnyUtah

If I were you I'd have just watched Punisher after this episode, fills the Shane hole in your heart for sure. Lol

Geovanni

I believe, I haven’t finished this series btw I’m watching it with you guys, that whatever Jenner told Rick at the CDC had to do with maybe saying that everyone has the virus and is dormant until you die. That’s why when Rick killed Shane he had visions of what could happen which in turn did happen. My theory idk if I’m right or wrong.