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SOCIAL NO PARA: Ep 1 | Beck On Christianity (Patreon)

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2022-02-01 13:16:58
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2024-02-16 16:47:32
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This was a perfect first instalment of this series. I'm often asked about my faith and christianity and Beck is a very sharp and very honest person to be asking these questions directly.

We have common experience and common criticisms and it ends on a very nice personal note.

I was very touched by the intimate spiritual experience of this conversation, having been out of the church a little longer than has been good for me. Thanks Beck.

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SOCIAL NO PARA: Ep 1 | Beck On Christianity

This was a perfect first instalment of this series. I'm often asked about my faith and christianity and Beck is a very sharp and very honest person to be asking these questions directly. We have common experience and common criticisms and it ends on a very nice personal note. I was very touched by the intimate spiritual experience of this conversation, having been out of the church a little longer than has been good for me. Thanks Beck. ---------------------------------------------------------

Comments

Emma d

Thanks for this conversation, I really appreciated both of your openness about some of your experiences. There were so many good things covered here that I'd love to go even deeper into but sadly time is limited heh. I'm also a Christian, and there's more context I could give but it's a lot to get into, but I just wanted to say something that I hope would be encouraging. I've actually listened to several pastors and many christians who, for example, would be perfectly fine with accepting that Noah's flood did not literally occur world wide and it wouldn't matter to the ultimate point the story was making about God and God's relationship with mankind. I think learning a bit about American church history was really helpful for me when analyzing why people get all up in a tizzy about not taking the Bible "literally" (whatever that means lol). There's a lot I could say but I would sum it up in saying the American Fundamentalists and Evangelicals have no "mind." Thought traditions, textual criticism, a culture of understanding that the Bible was was written for us, yes, but not TO us--those kinds of things aren't really present in fundamentalist and evangelical churches and circles. That might sound really bad but I think it's true that critical thought is not encouraged, and I really don't think that's the fault of Christianity, but the fault of so many events and people that lead to fundamentalism and evangelicalism. And what CJ said at the end, yes, I agree, the current church fucked up big time. And I also agree that the point of church is community (and I've always made that point that the communist mantra "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" was basically done by the early church!! And pastors in my hometown have the audacity to say socialism and communism is sinful and you're a sinner for voting democrat! Uuuughhh anyway okay I'm done ranting for now).

Cady

Thank you. I've been embarrassed of the intensity of my faith since I only see it as a metaphor. And double embarrassed of my belief that mystical things can happen to people who live the metaphor. You took my shame away. Thank you. *Praesertim illas que máxima indigent misericordia tua*

Noyev

I’m on similar boat as beck in this moment but this was extremely guiding on how I would like to go about this from now on as I have been rejecting anything religious for sometime (even seeing the title of this video I didn’t want to click on) . I totally giggled at the part of taking communion with the wafers and serving the wine (in this case juice) on separate cups. As a Catholic raised person I found it strange/gross that all of us drink from the same cup & it’s actual wine even for the kids . Not to say one way is the “correct” way but to hear complaints on how communion is done for you two it gave me a deeper appreciation on the ritual in my church . For Catholics it’s not symbolic to take communion we believe that is actually Christ in the wafer which also creeped me out .. is this cannibalistic? but it’s growing on me in a cool gothic way LOL it’s truly beautiful to experience. Great conversation again.

Maddy Melvin

One of the most interesting interpretations of the Old Testament I've heard came from a guy at a youth group who said, "The book of Genesis is true the way poetry is true."

Becca Alexa

I absolutely loved this - as a person of faith going through a similar experience on their journey of understanding God and the Divine, this was such a refreshing thing to watch! Looking forward to watching what else you'll create!

Koryn de Vries

As someone currently going through their petulant atheist phase (resulting from finishing a theology degree amidst this pandemic), this discussion was so healing and holy. Thank you both for sharing your stories and for putting such sincere words to so many of the concepts I have been grappling with. I felt, for the first time in a very long while, the presence of Jesus through this covid-safe communion.

Toni

This has been a very warm and intelligent conversation about religion and the ways we expect it to manifest versus how it does in our actual lives. And giving room for that. This has been excellent to listen to thank you.

haw

This was very moving to watch. Im muslim myself and very familiar with a lot of the emotions being talked about here, I also love discussions surrounding the metaphysics and philosophy of religions. I appreciate the care, curiosity and openness you both are showing in this conversation. had a lump in my throat throughout the entire video but the last bit left me in tears. Thank you both so much!

Laney Portelance

This was so meaningful. I used to be catholic, but I have spirituality and art instead of faith now. Thanks for your openness, Beck and CJ!

Matthew Pastoria

Wow, I'm basically trembling watching this. This reflects my experience so sincerely and your album was a key whisper in the noise about the fact that I wasn't so alone out here with this self-destructive oversexed alcoholism that caused so much unfixable damage in my life

Astra3us

This was a great perspective to listen to and unpack. While I'm no longer traditionally "religious" and similarly went through a bad boy "God is Dead" phase, I've since come to a place of spirituality that draws it's import in part from the teachings of Christ among an absurdist view of existence. Excited for future social no para's!

Mountain Harpie

Great conversation, I learned more about CJ and great to "meet" Beck! It's beautiful how personal can be universal 💙

Beck

HIIII just to say thank you CJ for doing this and thank you guys for your comments <3333 oh MAN I'm so glad this conversation exists in recorded form, it means a lot to me to see other people connecting with what we talked about. my heart is full <3

pol

(((( <3 ))))

Brook Wentz

So damn good. Looking forward to the future chats to come and thanks to you both for sharing with us.

Toughster McGee

I left christianity in my early teens about 20 years ago and it turns out I still have big feelings about it lmao, thank you both for sharing all of this because articulating things the way you did was wonderful and helpful.

Sam Koekkoek

This was really cool, thank you CJ and Beck <3 I got really excited when y'all started talking about God being 'real' by definition and idolatry cause I just finished my MDiv and wrote my thesis about that idea. I haven't read Baudrillard, but I think I definitely should, case the Matrix is my favorite movie and the new one kicked ass, but also because I think it would be super relevant to my project and I'd more than likely reference it if I keep writing about idolizing God as a representation of reality, rather than rightly worshipping them as the foundation of reality. If anyone's interested in hearing about my research in this area, please reach out!

Vince

Thank you for sharing your experience Beck, I'm sorry for what you went through these years, it must have been really hard, I hope you are better now. As per the ending message, we CJ viewers, unionize we shall!

Ana

Did all questioning pastors kids end up here? Where’s that pipeline?

Moot

I grew up christian, but I'm not sure of my faith now. I'm at a stage where I'm more worried about so many other things, and I've always felt rejected as a queer person by the christianity that's so widespread now. This was really insightful.

Tim

This was really sweet and vulnerable and commendable from both of you. I really respect folks who take "be like Jesus" seriously as a directive.

Jeffois

All the best with your law school journey and all the great things you'll do for yourself and others, Beck!

Jessi

i really appreciate your transparency and heart when it comes to god and religion. this was a great conversation. this shit always hits pretty hard for me growing up in the church, falling away, and dealing with shame when wanting to pursue god again whilst being surrounded by friends that talk shit about god. it is a confusing time. i admire people who are able to speak their truth without fear. good luck to you, beck! thank you for asking thoughtful questions and sharing your story.

Cameron Hunt

This conversation is great! I'd be very interested to hear an occult voice add to the bit about relenquishing control of the will, the idea of "thy will be done" cast against "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", the metaphysics/psychology of manifestation especially as practiced by charismatic christians, those kinds of subjects.

TzaraSchmara

I'm (barely) attempting to do NA stuff at the moment. It's the only support available to me for a multitude of reasons, but this video did assist me both as a former Christian and someone reckoning with the idea of what the "God of my understanding" is. My dad, a Sunday school teacher and graduate of a faith based college, recently spoke with me on his interpretation of what "the only way to enter the kingdom of heaven is through me" now means to him. He views Jesus as the arbiter of judgement on who gets in, and that phrase not to mean "Christianity is the only way". Having coworkers of many faiths who he views as living their God's message more thoroughly than he does with his own brought him to that.

Isabel v.V

i really love the quotation of the bible verse of how community is what makes Jesus/God appear because as someone who has been trying to grapple with my own relationship to Christianity, doing it alone makes it really difficult especially when you feel like the churches you were a part of don't really fit with how you define religion. like hearing that, it just kind of makes sense as to why it's been difficult this entire time. this video was truly interesting to watch and listen to, and im really glad that this conversation was made!

Nuan Sonar

Mad respect on the King Krule and Miles Davis albums on the wall; Plus the Yamaha HS7s? STUDIO ON LOCK KING; TEAR IT UP!

Vicky

became a patron to watch these, wasn't disappointed! I'm so sus of organised religion for the most part (churches I've seen personally have been super prejudiced and it doesn't sit right w me) so good to see a take from two Christians w a different perspective. loved the thoughts on community and ministry. would love to ask this question as someone who is rly thrown off by the idea of "service" in Christianity, and might apply to Beck's current situation, what does service look like with people who let you down/betrayed you? how can you, should you even, serve people who've hurt/betrayed you (especially if they're stubborn/unapologetic)? anyway thank you both this was a super thought provoking and interesting discussion!

Rory Murphy-Cload

So many golden nuggets of wisdom, many thanks to you both. 🙏 I have been on the same train of thought in respect to the dialectic of science and religion - it gave me great faith when I realised that scientific explanation doesn't make anything less miraculous. Sometimes it in fact it draws my attention to how miraculous things truly are. Also the idea that moving away from a false God is moving towards God is a potent and profound one. I'm not a religious person as such but these ideas hold so much resonance for me and strengthen the faith I do have ♥

Joe Eaves

Great chat, I also have a long and winding relationship with God and finding him at certain times of my life. Loved the section on Campbell and metaphors, I wondered if either of you have heard of Alan Watts? He is a great philospher in zen and eastern faiths, having gone through a catholic boarding school in England early 20th century. There is a recording of him talking on the dichotomy between what Jesus was trying to convey to us and the stuff we seem to have understood and taken from that -- like the very good grape juice thimble example! It's called "Jesus: His Religion", if I can paste links here Speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax5LNNS5VYA Transcript: https://alanwatts.org/1-3-2-jesus-his-religion-pt-1/

Dani Alen

Love the care for the privacy of the final prayer between both. It really resonates with me after rewatching the Bo Burnham video's section about keeping something 'sacred' for us in our constant virtual sharing and 'performativity'. I hope the best for your law school journey and life, Beck. Thank you both so much for this open and heartwarming dialogue at 3am in my timeline.

Hilla

Thanks for making me cry. I've called and still call myself an atheist but upon healing a lot emotionally etc. I've come to realise that believing or not believing in a god is not really dependent on any belief at all, at least for me, if that makes any sense. A bit like you discussed, I think the divine is here whether we take it upon ourselves to go to church or pray. Atheist means to be without a god/gods and for me it just means not committing to a specific system of god-representation-church-thing. So being atheist for me means that I don't need more representing of the divine than what everything already is. Maybe this made no sense, I just felt like saying it. So, yeah, thanks, Imma continue crying.

Zion Meier

Whoa! I actually felt the love of Jesus through this video. It’s hard to describe but while I was listening I just began feeling that greater connection. Ya’ll lowkey gave me hope I can reconnect with my faith, I was starting to think me and Christianity could never mix.

Sarah Sarah

Thanks so much for posting this. I was raised fundamentalist/Republican Christian and have spent my 20's and 30's thinking I needed to deconvert (and maybe I did need that! Maybe fixing my previous bad relationship with my spirituality looks like "Have you tried turning it off and back on again?" for me.) I still don't know what I am, but the positive examples of what it means to be a Christian that I've seen from you and mystic Christians have given me lots to think about.

lizard

This was awesome brb unionizing

Soup

Your mom sounds like such a badass. My dad did not care about my life and safety if I wasn't an obedient lil lady and your mom's choice to be a gangsta is so touching to me. Thank you for sharing this conversation.

Evan Corey

I grew up Catholic and when I came out in middle school was the start of being separated from my faith. I literally got a BA in religious studies to try to connect back to that feeling of being with God that I haven't felt since I was a kid. I've had some really depressing atheistic streaks, and I've dived into paganism, and I've tried everything. But I've been doing it all alone because any time I reached into a community of faith, there was a barrier holding me back or something that I didn't feel I could be a "true believer" on. I felt like a fake everywhere I went. Listening to this conversation was literally the first time in years that I have felt the presence of God. You guys are saying everything I've been thinking. Somebody tell me where to find a community like that.

AlexanderTheTrying

Ay yo so this is the first channel I've ever Patron-ed, and while I can't say I've been converted to a faith in god, seriously just had to chime in and say this was an excellent conversation. I never comment on things, but felt like you both needed to know that this shit really resonates. Well articulated all around and thanks for being so honest and for your brains that brought these perspectives. On the last thing you talk about re: angry atheist phases, speaking personally, the anger I experienced (and am long past) was from a feeling of betrayal where in my perspective I'd been lied to/indoctrinated into something I no longer believed and never had a choice in believing was true. Side note request: would love a Joseph Campbell book club, because I think this group would generate great thoughts. Be it Masks of God, Power of Myth, or any other.

Ren Breese

What a beautiful moment. The very journey towards the divine, no matter which methods or paths taken to pursue it, although never fully reached, is what makes life rich and meaningful. It is the mundanity and distance from platonic forms that causes us to value these ideals in the first place. Our inherent needs and desires result from lack, without it we would have no motivations or reasons to think or act. Reverence, vivification, awe, gratitude, connection, joy, compassion, relief, none of these things exist but for the price of suffering. I believe in natural law, so I think that all the pain in the world is course-correcting consequences attempting to lead us towards what is right and good. I did not attend church regularly at any point but a religious friend of mine once said that we’re not complete until the very end, suggesting that we are all messy and flawed yet as we learn and draw closer to the intention of the divine, that’s where beautiful moments like these come from. I was craving a slushie this morning and the satisfaction peaked at the realization I was capable of obtaining it, not at the consumption of it. Tangential?