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[Pictured: Moment In Flight / Skywoman by Bruce King]

Wow. What a lovely lovely collection.

Also woohoo we got a whole two weeks to read the next part! If you didn't get through this first section yet no worries just tune in when you have!

I'm going to just leave some of my favourite lines and most intense reactions to each piece in this first part:

Skywoman Falling:

Perhaps predictably moved by the comparison of Skywoman and Eve as Creation Myth protagonists.

"How to follow the Original Instructions will be different for each of us and different for every era." (p. 7)

Whether we jump or are pushed, or the edge of the known world just crumbles at our feet, we fall, spinning into someplace new and unexpected. Despite our fears of falling, the gifts of the world stand by to catch us." (p. 8)

The Council of Pecans:

Not much makes me wanna kill myself and everyone else quite as fast as reading about the experience of Native Americans at the hands of colonialist whites.

The bitter, bitter humanity of the Indian leaders choosing to accept private property from the American government because property owners were actually protected under the constitution, only for their enrolment in the private property market to make them fair game to be bought and plundered to nothing, just has me ready for violent revolution.

((I'm reminded of the speech by Comanche Chief Ten Bears that was featured in Robert Pirsig's Lila, which I have to reread like 6 times every time I come across it. I'll post it in a comment underneath this main post.))

The Gift of Strawberries:

This was my personal favourite chapter. Practically every paragraph has highlights and underlines and stars and hearts. I will have to try to pick some bits and not just Command-C Command-P the whole thing here.

Strawberries first shaped my view of a world fill of gifts simply scattered at your feet. A gift comes to you through no action of your own, free, having moved toward you without your beckoning. It is not a reward; you cannot earn it, or call it to you, or even deserve it. And yet it appears. Your only role is to be open-eyed and present. Gifts exist in a realm of humility and mystery-as with random acts of kindness, we do not know their source. (p. 24)

The Gift Economy... this whole chapter getting close to some things I am working on for the main channel about... business...

That is the fundamental nature of gifts: they move, and their value increases with their passage. (p.27)

From the viewpoint of a private property economy, the "gift" is deemed to be "free" because we obtain it free of charge, at no cost. But in the gift economy, gifts are not free. The essence of the gift is that it creates a set of relationships. The currency of a gift economy is, at its root, reciprocity. In Western thinking, private land is understood to be a "bundle of rights," whereas in a gift economy property has a "bundle of responsibilities" attached. (p. 28)

Lewis Hyde has made extensive studies of gift economies. He finds that "objects... will remain plentiful BECAUSE they are treated as gifts." A gift relationship with nature is a "Formal give-and-take that acknowledges our participation in, and dependence upon, natural increase. (p. 30)

Something is broken when the food comes on a Styrofoam tray wrapped in slippery plastic, a carcass of a being whose only chance at life was a cramped cage. That is not a gift of life; it is theft. (p. 31)

There are those who will try to sell the gifts, but, as Wally says of sweetgrass for sale, "Don't buy it." Refusal to participate is a moral choice. Water is a gift for all, not meant to be bought and sold. Don't buy it. When food has been wrenched from the earth, depleting the soil and poisoning our relatives in the name of higher yields, don't buy it. (p. 31)

The commodity economy has been here on Turtle Island for four hundred years, eating up the white strawberries and everything else. But people have grown weary of the sour taste in their mouths. A great longing is upon us, to live again in a world made of gifts. (p.. 32)

An Offering:

True names are used only by intimates and in ceremony. (p. 34)

I imagined that this beloved place knew my true name as well, even when I myself did not. (p. 34)

Overall Offering didn't hit me as much as it hit the research team, but I'm touched in this piece like I am with The Grammar of Animacy with how human and honest Kimmerer about her struggle with the legitimacy and efficacy of some of her traditions and convictions.

Asters And Goldenrod:

My natural inclination was to see relationships, to seek the threads that connect the world, to join instead of divide. But science is rigorous in separating the observer from the observed, and the observed from the observer. Why two flowers are beautiful together would violate the division necessary for objectivity. (p. 42)

Gangster paragraphs on page 45 just throttling that professor who said "Why Asters And Goldenrod Are Beautiful Together" wasn't a "scientific question".

It's a testable hypothesis; it's a question of science, a question art, and a question of beauty. (p. 46)

Why are they beautiful together? It is a phenomenon simultaneously material and spiritual, for which we need all wavelengths, for which we need depth perception. When I stare too long at the world with science eyes, I see an afterimage of traditional knowledge. Might science and traditional knowledge be purpose and yellow to one another, might they be goldenrod and asters? We see the world more fully when we use both. (p. 46)

Learning The Grammar of Animacy:

A very relatable and honest report of the brutal loss of indigenous languages, the irreparable damage of colonialist genocide of Native people and culture, and the incomprehensible value lost in that sin, and the desperate impossibility of retaining or restoring that value after it was actively destroyed.

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Well yeah. Wow. Quality stuffs.

So so so much to pull out and expand upon. What stood out to you? How you feel this connects with other stuffs discussed? I could riff about this in many directions but I'm sincerely more interested in what pieces are emphasizing themselves in your eyes.

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CJ The X

The Statement Of Ten Bears To William Tecumseh Sherman, October 1867: There are things which you have said to me which I do not like. They were not sweet like sugar, but bitter like gourds. You said that you wanted to put us upon a reservation, to build us houses and to make us Medicine lodges. I do not want them. I was born on the prairie, where the wind blew free, and there was nothing to break the light of the sun. I was born where there were no enclosures, and where everything drew a free breath. I want to die there, and not within walls. I know every stream and every wood between the Rio Grande and the Arkansas. I have hunted and lived over in that country. I lived like my fathers before me, and like them I lived happily. When I was at Washington, the Great Father told me that all the Comanche land was ours, and that no one should hinder us in living upon it. So why do you ask us to leave the rivers, and the sun, and the wind, and live in houses? Do not ask us to give up the buffalo for the sheep. The young men have heard talk of this and it has made them sad and angry. Do not speak of it any more. I love to carry out the talk I get from the Great Father. When I get goods and presents, I and my people feel glad since it shows that he holds us in his eye. If the Texans had kept out of my country, there might have been peace. But that which you now say we must live on is too small. The Texans have taken away the places where the grass grew the thickest and the timber was the best. Had we kept that, we might have done this thing you ask. But it is too late. The white man has the country which we loved and we only wish to wander on the prairie until we die. Any good thing you say to me shall not be forgotten. I shall carry it as near to my heart as my children and it shall be as often on my tongue as the name of the Great Spirit. I want no blood upon my land to stain the grass. I want it all clear and pure, and I wish it so, that all who go through among my people may find peace when they come in, and leave it when they go out.

Baxter Jaye

Shortly after I finished this section of the book, I came across a TikTok discussing the concept of Ubuntu in African philosophy, a word that roughly translates to the act or art of being human. A central premise of Ubuntu is that to be human is to be in community, and from that premise it argues that harmony and relationships matter above all else. This really got me thinking. In the non-white/non-western philosophy and ideology, the importance of relationships and reciprocity is a recurring theme, but I can't think of an equivalent in western values. The west prioritizes objectivity and individualization, something incompatible with relationships and their subjective nature. The depersonalization, desubjectifying and individualization of everything in the west not only removes your empathy and compassion for those around you, it removes your ability to see the reason in doing so because you assume you're active entirely in objective rationality.

benedict.m

Hi, first time participating in Book Club and I'm grateful for the opportunity. I've been knowing I needed to read this for a long time, and this space is giving me a very good reason to. Before getting into all of the reaction and discussion and emotion, I'm struck by how fucking perfectly all of CJ's work has prepared me to read this text. The crucial importance of stories; the idea of Truth not as fact but as what belief is most useful, most conducive to Good Action; the pushback against the primacy of "objectivity" and all dichotomies; a commitment to reciprocity and symbiotic existence, rather than hierarchy--all these things have been gestating in my mind for a long time, but CJ has lent clarity and conviction and structure to them, and I'm grateful. It's hard for me to pick out which of these essays is my favorite or hits me the hardest. Each one offers a powerful alternative to ways of being that we treat as natural and inherent. But perhaps because I've read Lewis Hyde's "The Gift" (a very valuable companion piece to this book imo), "The Gift of Strawberries has been resonating in my mind particularly strongly. Obviously, the story of capital and private property is pretty fundamental to most of our problems in the West, to our disconnection from land and community and ourselves, so the creation and fostering of gift economies will go a long way in healing our ways of being. This book is a Gift. This weird little online space is a Gift. I expect this post to become a positive feedback loop of giving and receiving. It may not be much against the crushing global prevalence of markets and commodities and hierarchies, but it's a start and a source of peace and healing, at least for me. Lastly, reading this as a white person is making me feel some particular shit. Excitement at the truth and power of Kimmerer's words, secondhand grief at the exploitation and destruction of Indian people and land and ways of being, guilt and sadness and anger at how this shit continues today and I continue to benefit economically from it, and most of all I feel immensely, crushingly, joyfully humbled. I'm excited to be part of learning through all of this with y'all. Lots of love.

Lou Corben

I love this book so far. The Strawberry essay was a favourite of mine too. So many beautiful passages, and I think this is the first time a non-fiction book has made me cry multiple times. The part CJ highlighted about the injustice of Native Americans being sold back their own land, and the violent destruction of languages reminded me of a passage from a Guardian long read I just listened to last night, “The Stupidity of AI” which covers emerging tech, Art, Culture and Primitive Accumulation: ‘When international for-profit companies started approaching Māori speakers to help build their own [AI Language] models, Te Hiku Media campaigned against these efforts, arguing, “They suppressed our languages and physically beat it out of our grandparents, and now they want to sell our language back to us as a service.” “Data is the last frontier of colonisation,” wrote Keoni Mahelona, a Native Hawaiian and one of the co-founders of Te Hiku Media.’ Link: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/mar/16/the-stupidity-of-ai-artificial-intelligence-dall-e-chatgpt Or Listen: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/audio/2023/apr/07/the-stupidity-of-ai-podcast There’s a link to a dedicated article about Te Hiku Media in the Guardian one. — I don’t have much to add or comment because Kimmerer writes so beautifully and accessibly, so just sharing a couple of my (many) highlighted passages: The Gift of Strawberries: ’In fact, [Dad] thought wild strawberry shortcake was the best possible present, or so he had us convinced. It was a gift that could never be bought. As children raised by strawberries, we were probably unaware that the gift of berries was from the fields themselves, not from us. Our gift was the time and attention and care and red-stained fingers. Heart berries, indeed’ An Offering: ‘Some weeks went by, though, and when we spoke again he said, “I’ve been thinking about the coffee and how we started giving it to the ground. You know, it was boiled coffee. There’s no filter and if it boils too hard the grounds foam up and get stuck in the spout. So the first cup you pour would get that plug of grounds and be spoiled. I think we first did it to clear the spout.” It was as if he’d told me that the water didn’t change to wine—the whole web of gratitude, the whole story of remembrance, was nothing more than the dumping of the grounds? “But, you know,” he said, “there weren’t always grounds to clear. It started out that way, but it became something else. A thought. It was a kind of respect, a kind of thanks. On a beautiful summer morning, I suppose you could call it joy.” That, I think, is the power of ceremony: it marries the mundane to the sacred. The water turns to wine, the coffee to a prayer. The material and the spiritual mingle like grounds mingled with humus, transformed like steam rising from a mug into the morning mist.” What else can you offer the earth, which has everything? What else can you give but something of yourself? A homemade ceremony, a ceremony that makes a home.’ Learning The Grammar of Animacy: ‘English is a noun-based language, somehow appropriate to a culture so obsessed with things…. European languages often assign gender to nouns, but Potawatomi does not divide the world into masculine and feminine.” “the Creator meant for us to laugh, so humor is deliberately built into the syntax.” “we use the same words to address the living world as we use for our family. Because they are our family.” — It’s a privilege to have a way to access this knowledge and I’m grateful for what has been preserved and like Matt feel a deep sense of guilt and grief for what has been destroyed. I look forward to gifting this book to someone else.

Josh Foreman

The most fundamental takeaway for me is how terrifyingly mind/soul contorting social norms/institutions can be. For example, the idea of a gift economy makes me recoil. This, despite the story I tell myself about myself: that my primary value is Love. But all I can 'see' when I imagine a gift economy is a billion micro-rules that have to be known, understood, navigated, and enforced. In other words I get caught up in the logistics of it, losing the soul. Maybe it's the game designer in me. Or, more likely, the social paradigm I was raised in, where words like 'gift' and 'economy' can technically sit uneasily next to each other, but also necessarily do violence to each other at the same time. What work like Braiding Sweetgrass does for me is remind me how myopic me and my culture are. Not in the my-culture-is-all-bad-and-the-other-all-good kind of way, though it's tempting to think that way. But simply that without experience of this other model I can't ascertain it freely or accurately. The meditations in this book help to illustrate a rough sketch, but without actual blueprints to examine, the back of my brain just keeps asking "but... HOW?". To this end, some modern anthropology can fill in some guess work. The book "The Dawn Of Everything" provides more imaginative exercises as well. But again -like a dying language- without active participation in community LIVING the system, my mind grasps at straws.

sal3m

I really love this book so far, and I'm really interested to read everyone elses thoughts. An Indigenous woman recommended me this book when I told her I was interested in studying plant science in a year: what a gift. Here are some of my scattered thoughts: 1. The part about how the English language takes away the identity of non-human beings and that way takes away respect and rights from them, reminded me of how during slavery enslaved people weren't seen as people either, which made it 'okay' to use them. I read in a museum once that enslaved people actually didn't get converted to Christianity (right away) because Christians don't hurt other Christians and so they shouldn't be taught the Christian beliefs. The fact that the opressors did think about it but decided against conversion because turning the enslaved Christian would essentially make them 'too human' to abuse broke me. (Not that I think the enslaved should've been converted, but the general idea is gut-wrenching to me). 2. As someone who wants to be a scientist specialised in plants as well, the part about science objectifying the subject really hit home. Although I really want to go to university, part of me is scared of losing the connection to the spiritual part of nature. Reading that Robin found her way in combining the scientific and traditional knowledge (like goldenrod and asters:)) does give me hope, though. 3. I never really realised, but when I thought about what Robin said on page 29 about how when receiving a gift one has much more self-restraint than when something is just offered at a low price really got me thinking. It definitely has something to do with the intimacy of giving. I experienced a similar effect recently, where I worked at a museum and got little pay. I thought about how I would actually rather work for the museum as a volunteer than receive very little pay, because on the one hand I thought I should receive more money for the work that I did but on the other hand I would gladly do it for no price at all. I think the money gave me a value that I didn't want because the act of the work itself was enough of an honor for me. The money made it seem like a task. I don't know if these two things are inherintly tied together but maybe someone else can see the connection. 4. I hated the line on page 31: 'Something is broken when the food come on a Styrofoam tray wrapped in slippery plastic, a carcass of a being whose only chance at life was a cramped cage. That is not a gift of life; it is a theft.' Not because I didn't agree with it, but because of the contrary. I often despise this culture where life of anything other than human is starting to lose its meaning. A once sacred ritual of eating together and being mindful of the hard work that was put into our meals, is being stripped away by creating as big of a gap between consumer and product as possible. The words 'consumer' and 'product' are also part of this problem, linking back to the Grammar of Animacy. Words are powerful and these words do not implicate any greatfullness at all. They implicate an explanation that states that's 'just the way it is'. Being a consumer or being consumed; without gratitude. Thank for reading this:) I tried to be as concise as possible but that probably isn't that clear haha, my writing is often extensive.

Damon Bayer

Growing up in South Dakota, I engaged with Native American history and literature quite a bit up through my undergraduate studies, but haven’t much since then. This was a beautiful and thought-provoking reintroduction to that world. A friend of mine recommended this book to me a few months ago based on a conversation we had about my finishing my PhD and my disillusionment with science. One thing that we disagreed about was the degree to which scientific and indigenous ways of knowing are in conflict with each other. I had this conversation in my head as I read the “Asters and Goldenrods” chapter, and I’m not exactly sure what Kimmerer is trying to say on the subject. She states, “Had my adviser been a better scholar, he would have celebrated my questions, not dismissed them.... I should have been told that my questions were bigger than science could touch.” Kimmerer goes on to explain how yellow and purple are complementary colors and how that might make them appear more beautiful to humans. So, was this really a question “bigger than science could touch?” From the chapter’s conclusion: “This dance of cross-pollination (between scientific and the indigenous ways of thinking) can produce a new species of knowledge, a new way of being in the world. After all, there aren’t two worlds, there is just this one good green earth.” To me, this “new way of being” sounds a lot like regular science, but I am a scientist by training, so perhaps my perspective is too narrow. I would love to hear anyone else’s thoughts on how these ways of knowing are different or not.

stef

plenty of thoughts from this first part, I'll try to gather them up in a way that makes sense. first of all though, I'm currently studying to be a primary teacher so my reflections will vastly connect to that and what I'm studying. "becoming indigenous to a place means living as if your children's future mattered, to take care of the land as if our lives, both material and spiritual, depended on it" (p.9) love how this kind of thought gives a whole other meaning to citizenships as a whole, weighing not on connecting the place in which you where born to the one you necessarily belong to, but instead on how you actively participate in community and care and get to know a place deeply. can't really put it down in words but something about migration connection sense of belonging also!!! the striking contrast between Eden and Skywoman!! about things being given from a powerful entity vs the collaboration between the animals and Skywoman! got me thinking about how I'm shaping myself to be as a future teacher, how I would love for my class to be a place of collaboration and being able to build oneself. "almost everything was stripped away, stolen when you weren't looking because you were trying to stay alive" (p.17) this one just hurt deeply also p.19 and the piece about plant communication! how science tends to read everything through our human lenses and thus is imperfect and cannot comprehend everything and it's one of the ways through which the world can be read! "the stories we choose to shape our behaviours have adaptive consequences" (p.30) again reflecting on the differences between not just beliefs in the religious meaning but also values, stories that we were brought up with and stories we choose to love and how they affect our behaviour. the power of storytelling!!!

alicia

I'll come back to this after I'm back from doing Easter stuff but oof, what an affective beginning. The Eve/Skywoman comparison made me tear up. The feminist angle on that basically writes itself too.

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Hi, this is my first time joining book group and I'm excited to participate! This is a book I've been wanting to read for a while, and I'm really glad for the excuse to sort of kick myself into doing it, because I'm really loving it so far. I'm torn between Skywoman Falling and Learning the Grammar of Animacy as my favorite sections, because both made me think really deeply. Skywoman Falling made me consider my own relationship with nature and the world, and it made me realize that I don't actually have much of an example as to positive interactions between humans and nature, just like the book suggested, but it's also made me think of small positive examples I have in my own life. I go camping twice a year with a group that likes to intentionally go outside of cell phone service, and it gives me an amazing opportunity to appreciate and interact with the nature around me. We interact with each other and tell stories around campfires and use one day to go on a float trip, where I was taught how to read a river and look for fish and other animals there. One of the main things we make sure to do when we leave is to leave the campsite better than we found it, which was said in the book not technically from Skywoman Falling, but still made me think of this when I read it. The other section that made me think a lot was Learning the Grammar of Animacy, as I have a deep love of languages, and since I've actually started to be able to understand another one I'm learning (I'm currently studying French), I've thought a lot about how languages shape the way we think and the way we view the world. The language touched on in this chapter sounds like a nightmare to learn, but the concept explored here is beautiful enough that I kind of badly want to try anyway. That feeling of sitting in nature and really feeling it move like it's alive speaking to you is one of my absolute favorite things, and I absolutely adore the idea of having words for those concepts I'm feeling. On an unrelated side note, I would absolutely love to talk with Robin Kimmerer about people using it/its pronouns, it seems like she would have a lot to say on the matter and it would be a really fascinating conversation.

Beck

I liked each of these essays. 'An Offering' was my favorite and made me tear up while reading. There is something very profound to me about the ritual that Kimmerer's father incorporated into their childhood without knowing whether it was exactly the correct thing to do—but still feeling, and knowing on some level, that it was 'right.' I don't think sacraments and sacred rituals need to be 'correct.' I don't think you need to do things exactly the right way, and I also don't imagine God or gods to be a thing that observes you from afar and judges you based on how close to accurate your specific ritual is. I think spiritual ceremony is something we imbue with meaning ourselves. It's anything that reminds us that there is something larger than us that we have access to and that we can approach. When Kimmerer's dad spent time on their camping trips to pour out some coffee and say a few words to the gods of the land they were inhabiting, it was an act of gratitude and respect and presence, and it really touched me how deeply it stayed with her. It really DOESN'T matter that it started as a way to clear out the coffee grounds. They turned it into something else, and it became sacred because they chose to make it sacred. Then, the section where they find their roots and see the ritual the way it was 'meant to be done'—'And when I first heard in Oklahoma the sending of thanks to the four directions at the sunrise lodge—the offering in the old language of the sacred tobacco—I heard it as if in my father's voice. The language was different but the heart was the same.' p.36. This is the part that made me cry. It's so meaningful to find the old ritual, the 'real' one. But to realize that the spirit is the same in both actions. The intent AND the effect is the same. Experience of 'God.' And the fact that her family really didn't know what their roots were at that point, but that they knew they had lost something. They were choosing to remember something they couldn't remember... They were gesturing towards the THING knowing that it existed, knowing that the THING would forgive them for not knowing the right words, because they were trying, and approaching it with sincerity and humility. So emotional! I really loved this one.

valentin

Can anybody really own a mountain? This winter holiday I went skiing with my family. When me and my sisters were sitting in a ski elevator I thought about who owned the mountain we were skiing on. I asked my sisters what they thought about it. Can anybody really own a mountain? My sisters don't care for philosophy (they are 14) but they still had a strong opinion on this. No. I agreed. Nobody can own a mountain. He belongs to himself. We are just guests, skiing on the mountain, using infrastructure built by the "owner" of this part of the mountain to extract money. "We must say, that the universe is a communion of subjects, not a collection of objects." (p. 56) When I lost my stuffed panda at the age of 12 it felt like loss. To this day I sleep with stuffed animals in my bed. They give me comfort. This among other reasons is why I relate to the Language of Animacy so strongly. Objects are not alive, but humans are emotional creatures and we can form emotional bonds to objects. Do not discredit the value and importance of objects. Who would be a better gardener: somebody that views plants strictly as objects, or someone that views them as their friends? "Saying >it< makes a living land into "natural resources." If a maple is an >it<, we can take up the chain saw. If a maple is a >her< , we think twice." (p. 57) Do objects have souls? I don't know. But I know it can be valuable to treat them as if they do. I play more beautifully when I feel as though I'm playing a music piece together with my piano and not playing a piece on my piano. I'm loving this book so far, really excited where this goes. I've got a lot of thoughts on this part but they wouldn't fit into just one comment. Maybe I'll come back in the next week's but I've got my finals coming up so I kinda doubt that. We'll see...

annie liz

We’re back baybeee we’re booking and we’re clubbing and we’re thinking and it’s good! There were so many quotes that I highlighted that echoed in my chest when I read them, I’ll try to only intersperse a few throughout my bedraggled thoughts. First off, the writing style is just excellent. Delectable. Scrumptious. More taste-based-adjectives. Kimmerer wasn’t joking when she said she was both scientist and poet. Reading her words feels like dancing. Skywoman Falling: partially for this essay, but frankly the whole section of the book, I really appreciate how despite (or perhaps through) the softness of poetry, she comes pretty hard for western societal structures, like the creation story and Eve, relationship with land, consumerist/consumption economic cycles, and science as impersonal. I feel that it was intentional and deliberate that she came out swinging with a new system directly countering a lot of these structures EARLY in the book. There’s no neat space for her words to fit in a heavily westernized reader’s worldview. Now, she doesn’t fully reject them or immediately trash them (the Eve comparison made me honestly a little emotional), but she doesn’t coddle them either. She’s not fitting into any kind of benevolent wise woman stereotype, she’s here to make beauty with her words AND push against you with them (my margin notes: damn these poetries got hands). Not necessarily “fight,” just more confident assertiveness than you anticipate. More fight IN her than fight AT you. Idk I just really like that aspect of it The Gift of Strawberries: BEAUTIFUL chapter, and one of my bigger takeaways from my first read of the book. Gifts as relationship foundations? Cyclical connections as community? Gratitude as a lifeline? that’s that good shit “The essence of the gift is that it creates a set of relationships. The currency of a gift economy is, at its root, reciprocity, In Western thinking, private land is understood to be a ‘bundle of rights,’ whereas in a gift economy property has a ‘bundle of responsibilities’ attached.” (p. 28) The biggest note that caused me flummox from the chapter was around the “dream” sequence. It was hard at the end of strawberries to imagine a world she describes, with gratitude as the core response and every monetary basis for trade and consumption destroyed. My initial reaction was to reject it as impossible, unrealistic, idyllic, and a little silly. BUT. She wants us to understand that the very cultural patterns and brainwaves that taught me to react this way aren’t the only ways for my brain to work. That was the whole point, right? So, I tried to imagine it on a smaller scale? I buy my pal coffee when she forgets her wallet, not because I expect her to give me money back, but because I enjoy our time together and want her to participate in the “relationship activity” we’re in. When my friend made me a cross-stitch for my birthday, they didn’t do it so that I could send them something for theirs, but because they love me and it was an expression of that love and gratitude for our relationship. There’s no expectation of return on these things, there’s just expectation of mutual gratitude and an expression of joy for what we have existing in the first place. Am I on the right track for what Kimmerer might mean? There are ways could we do the Gift Economy more intentionally on a small scale? We might not be able to change the world with it this year, BUT like she said, it takes time. I’d also tie this to the idea of making heaven on earth, not waiting for the massive shift of nations or death but changing a little bit where we can right now. An Offering: I’m a biiiiig proponent of storytelling as survival and ritual as community, so this did make my heart warm. We live in the now by our connections to the past and the present, and using storytelling and ritual as ties to culture and history gets very Arrival-the-past-and-future-is-now. I love it. I also love Arrival. Storytelling in general is such a huge theme so far. “Reworking the stories we tell ourselves” is a term sometimes used by therapists when rewiring our brain to break out of destructive thought patterns in our self-esteem and self-perception; expanding it to a broader culture seems very difficult, but I love the vision of it. Storytelling is such a vividly and viscerally HUMAN experience, and it shapes so much of our behavior, understanding, and motivation. Going back to Skywoman Falling, “Look at the legacy of poor Eve’s exile from Eden: the land shows the bruises of an abusive relationship. It’s not just land that is broken, but more importantly, our relationship to land… our relationship with the land cannot heal until we hear its stories. But who will tell them?” (p. 9). And in The Gift of Strawberries, a more scientific aspect of it: “It is human perception that makes the world a gift. When we view the world this way… the relationship of gratitude and reciprocity thus developed can increase the evolutionary fitness of both plant and animal. A species and a culture that treat the natural world with respect and reciprocity will surely pass on genes to ensuing generations with a high frequency than the people who destroy it. The stories we choose to shape our behaviors have adaptive consequences” (p. 30). That’s so cool!!! The fuck! Learning The Grammar of Animacy: I HEAVILY fuck with language as a cultural building block and how language changes the ways we interact with one another, so this was absolutely my shit. Much to unpack that I don’t have the words for yet I think. I think my biggest takeaway from the book so far is how BIG everything feels, from the poetry to the concepts to the imagined implementation. This makes it feel both lofty/aspirational AND very overwhelming to put into practice. Not sure how to balance those feelings out yet, but I’m along for the ride. So fuckin thrilled to leap into y’alls thoughts and visions and prophetic dreams in these comments

Chandler Sterling

First time book club member here so bear with me while I learn how to congeal my thoughts into anything cohesive. I think the most powerful line to me was when Kimmerer directly called me out by saying "Swept away with the idea, he said it felt like an awakening to him. More like a remembering, I think." (pg. 69). Each essay I read felt like I was being asked to return to a world that could be full of wonder without being ashamed of it. While there was plenty to learn, especially about Kimmerer's culture, so many of the underlying ideas weren't awakenings, they were memories. Skywoman Falling was a reminder that the natural world is not beneath us, it is our equal. I was thrilled to read her refusal of human beings as the top of the hierarchy. It felt so refreshing in the midst of everyone bickering about if AI will ever take over humanity's place at the top to just step down from that place of pride and ask if we've even been measuring what it means to be at "the top" with the right metrics to begin with. We've been so busy boasting about our supposed intelligence to notice and learn from all the ways that nature outplays us. The Council of Pecans reminded me of a time when I was younger, and I would go with my grandparents to pick blackberries. I didn't know the mechanics of fruiting and how it was essential to the life cycle of a blackberry bush, all I knew was that when summer came, I grabbed a bucket and ran out into the fields to snatch plump berries from perilous patches of brambles. Later in life when I would take high school and college courses, they claimed I was gaining an understanding of how the world worked, but it's hard to feel like Biology class actually demonstrated anything we didn't already know. All the objectivity in the world couldn't save science from assuming plants couldn't talk because they didn't do it like humans do. There are no tears remaining in my body after Kimmerer's descriptions of the treatment of Native peoples, but I still managed to find a few after reading about the fact that the colonialists forced them into boarding schools to teach them about the world only to find that the elders were right. The trees speak, the colonists just refused to listen. The Gift of Strawberries is a reminder of a time when every handmade craft and flower found on the side of the road was worthy of giving to someone. Who hasn't picked at least one wildflower for someone they loved because it was so obvious that giving was inherent to life? When Kimmerer said, "It’s the relationship between producer and consumer that changes everything." (pg. 38) I wanted to scream it to everyone I could find. It's why I couldn't stand stores growing up, those things on the shelves looked like gifts, but someone was asking my mom to give them money for it. Money became the middle management of a gift exchange, and it stripped all spirituality from the experience. Maybe nothing in life is free, but if Kimmerer is right about gifts coming at a far different and more meaningful cost than money (and I'm certain she is), then I desperately cling to the hope that the smell of wild strawberries is as near as she says. An Offering reminds me of going to church, unsurprisingly. Prayer is something I have been struggling with a lot lately, and reading through Kimmerer's similar difficulties with separating the ceremony from the mechanical was liberating. I don't have a ton to say about this one, I'm just glad to know that there are other people out there giving thanks in the morning for reasons they're still trying to parse out. Sometimes understanding why just has to come with time, it's the feeling of importance the action conveys that matters. Asters and Goldenrod reminded me of childhood car rides asking "Why?" as many times as I could get away with. There's clearly something alien about scientific thinking because we bother to teach it in schools. No one had to instruct Kimmerer how to wonder why the relationships and patterns she saw in the world existed, but they felt obligated to teach her how to ask those questions in a "constructive" manner. The way Kimmerer describes her defeated acceptance of the "correct" way to think because clearly her professors knew better was heartbreaking. It was an interesting example of how western thinking continues to reject indigenous knowledge even to this day. It is certainly a captivating indictment of the supposedly infallible scientific mindset to recognize that removing all emotion gave people the excuse to remain ignorant to other, marginalized ways of looking at the world. Learning the Grammar of Animacy reminded me of my first day learning a new language. Kimmerer's complaints about not having any practical way to apply her new nouns felt right at home in my mind. My immediate thoughts were that a second language needed to have a specific use case in mind, otherwise is was wasted space in the brain. Why do I need to know the Russian word for cinema if I was never going to discuss film with a Russian? I think that comes from an assumption that learning a new language is just an exercise in reading a dictionary. It's in grammar where we can gain something else from a language, and in Kimmerer's case, that meant recognizing the underlying implications of splitting the world not by gender, but by the capacity to be. It was equally tragic and inspiring to step back and recognize the downfall of something as simple as calling a rock "it." I want the lesson of Bill Tall Bull tattooed in my brain. Going forward, I will try to always speak to the forgotten beings of the world from my heart, even when I lack the words.

sunny

Long-time watcher, first-time book club participant with all of you. :) Reading through these responses, packed with memories and thoughtful discussions is refreshing and stimulating. I love seeing a space where people can extrapolate and expand on ideas with the intention of learning and without fear of judgment. Well done for cultivating such a wonderful space, CJ and Team! Reading this book has been so good for me so far; good in that it's challenging and engaging and puts me face-to-face with really horrifying and uncomfortable truths that I, as a white person, don't often have to confront in my day-to-day. Learning more about how the Native American people and their culture have been desecrated and forced out of their homelands is horrifying. I remember in high school that this behemoth concept was reduced to a matter of paragraphs in our history textbooks. It's maddening and heartwrenching how, even to this day, our education system will make this kind of topic as concise as possible. I want to do better, I'm not sure how, but I'm learning and open to changes. I find Kimmerer's prose beautiful. The section where she describes coffee being poured to the ground with sunlight passing through it, or the verb "to be a bay" and how a bay teems with its own life—it was all breathtaking. I appreciate that this book is slow-paced and intentional, it's teaching me to be a more patient reader. I was struck foremost by the comparison of Skywomana and Eve's stories. Having grown up in an Evangelical, conservative context, the biblical creation story was one I heard often, in that well-worn way that causes one to stop really analyzing or looking for subtext in what they're consuming. (Or at least, that was the case for me.) Also! I was delighted by the discussion (both in the book and in the comments here) of animacy in language. Considering the effect that different components of language can have on environments and societies around us is mind-boggling. I'm not well-versed in linguistics, but between this book and "Story of Your Life" by Ted Chiang, that itch is being scratched. Anyway, I don't know if any of that made sense, but thank you for the incentive to read and dive deeper into this book!

mouse

I'm sooo happy to be joining bookclub again, Zen was such an incredible experience. Thank you CJ!! And this book so far, oh man. Just stunning. So much to learn and ruminate on. So much to love and deeply feel. I'll post more thoughts and quotes I love sometime soon, but something that really stood out to me was discussion of language, how there are more verbs than nouns in her language. It makes the title read like "(To Be) Braiding Sweetgrass" to me, which is so beautiful. Anyways, this will be great! What an incredible book.

Lee Toming

Hello, first time participating after half a year of reading successfully and on schedule due to cj the x’s fantastic club planning, vibe setting, etc.. Literally went through a puberty, my brain is developing, the texts this book club has lead me to has been extremely impactful in shaping my intuition to the theory together with the thoughts/emotions on tonality in the comments. and very grateful I have the wonderful parents I have for lending me 3 dollars every month to be a patron and sometimes paying for my food. My copy hasn’t come yet, but loving this audio book experience rn everyday when I’m commuting home from school. Maybe shouldn’t be typing this until I can flip back and forth and highlight. Giving Ted Chiang and elderly flower painter. Feels very Taoist also. The sections on all the books about Indians I feel like TikTok It’s the same as when the Indians got gotcha-ed now it’s just on mass on our minds rather than about land and culture. a split a old man I met once who paints like a wizard , mentioned the difference between the 生活-生存 which is existing and living It’s been like very useful after knowing about Indians when I think about people I look up to. When you do make art for example as living, you focus on keeping yourself alive with rent and food(existing) as a means for living, nourishing the connection between you and the universe When people do art; science;etc for existing, it goes to hell when everyone does it for existing and start simplifying values and process of living for everyone. And it feels like it’s vice versa when you do something practical for existing and when you start to doing it for living laughing and loving, it becomes, or you make it ig, more complex and that’s what art do. this spit has became very useful when I’m ‘vibe checking’ And it feels indulgent idk why. And the ideas from this spit I don’t understand fully yet, greatful for book club

Natthew Lee

bookclubbookclubbookclub I love collections of essays it strokes my adhd to get to munch on little bites of writing om nom nom. So much of the writing is sensory bliss. She is so good at getting me to roll around and relish in the smells and touch and visuals of plants. You can feel her love of plants aching leaking oozing from every word. Asters and Goldenrod brightened my vision irreparably “Ceremonies large and small have the power to focus attention to a way of living awake in the world” (36) “That, I think, is the power of ceremony: it marries the mundane to the sacred.” (37) Ritual is very very important to me. Focusing, grounding, reminding, imbuing intention into actions and objects. Tenets of life and humanity. The sacred is the mundane but only if treated with appropriate reverence. “You’d think that biologists, of all people, would have words for life.” (49) “In Potawatomi 101, rocks are animate, as are mountains and water and fire and places. Beings that are imbued with spirit, our sacred medicines, our songs, drums, and even stories, are all animate. The list of the inanimate seems to be smaller, filled with objects that are made by people.” (56) Why does a rock have life, but objects made by people do not? Does enacting labor to transform a natural object into a tool or appliance deaden? Is it the picking apart that deadens? Or the removal from a cycle/ecosystem? I understand very little of Japanese Shintoist animism, but I’ve heard of Yo-Kai spirits that inhabit appliances like toasters, tables, etc. in addition to natural objects and sacred shrines. I think Marie Kondo “thank your clothes” cleaning up rituals flow downstream from this sort of animism. Why does Japanese animism recognise the life in our manmade objects, but Potawatomi does not? (sorry if any of this is wrong im not an anthropologist!!) Maybe it is just akin to what was mentioned in The Gift of Strawberries: if an object is made with reverence, if you treat a chair or a toaster as something sacred while you build it, and continue to recognize and be grateful for its worth through your life. If a toaster has that much sentiment, would you then refer to it with yawe? See above paragraph re: ritual, sacred, mundane!! So interested in how stories and language carve out our behavior for us. The comparisons between Eve and Skywoman, the comparisons between Potawatomi and English. In addition to the animist limitations of English, English is always active, always has an object and subject. It sounds awkward when you phrase things passively and we are marked down for that in school. SUBJECT/OBJECT, ENACTOR/ENACTED UPON. Kimmerer remarks upon this dichotomy in science research but it’s baked into our syntax also. Something about her sitting in the room with the remaining Potawatomi speakers and realizing something so ephemeral and slippery and non-material as a language had a physical and finite reality in front of her. Millennia of tradition all culminated to sit in one room. It makes the damage done so blatant “What will happen to a joke when no one can hear it anymore? How lonely those words will be, when their power is gone. Where will they go? Off to join the stories that can never be told again.” xo nat The world is so beautiful, and that could so easily not be the case.

Carol N.

A short mess of impressions as I grapple with the anxieties of feeling very small brain in my first book club. Quite touched by the calls to bring all the history-tracing to our future behaviour rather than just going “sweet” and leaving it in a history book. I felt like i am given space here to reflect on how seemingly pre-occupied I am on most days to notice which way roadside strawberries are growing, or how the branches are spaced in the cherry outside my house. And like, with what exactly? How much human time and energy is being spent on manmade things we made to feel bigger than ourselves (yes this is about AI rights, it’s all I thought about in the animacy chapter). Will keep thinking about ways of conditioning, like why my favourite drinks taste better when made by someone else, when I could make them fully aware of the contents without compromise. I expect this book will also make me have a difficult argument with myself about the ethics of selling art, or to what extent it should be strictly within this sort of gift economy. As a dancer, the idea of art being animate got me good. Really keen to start listening to all forms of aliveness around me, before I even attempt to speak. But mainly all the beautiful descriptions just got me rly hyped for summer.

Wilfred

i’ve been following along w all the book clubs ( except for lila but i own the book ) tho i never really comment cuz i don’t really have anything new to offer but im really enjoying this one so far :0 The Gift Of Strawberries was my favorite as well, and Asters And Goldenrod was a really nice read reading it reminded me of pokémon gold and silver and the music from the game and it made me smile. i think ima replay the game now lolllllll

margaret (formerly Samson)

I spent time reading the book and then got the great joy of reading all the comments thus far. I love seeing all the first reactions and how they're so different from mine and also so similar. Love every one of you all for being here and doing this together, and thank you to CJ and the team for doing the Executive Function to make this happen. I'm torn on whether to share my own raw, processing reaction. I actually took notes when reading (I don't normally, but I didn't want to write in my book and also didn't want to lose those quotes that stuck out, so I wrote my thoughts in a Tumblr post and we'll see if that works for me as a note storage place in the future. Overall, my experiences in reading were a mix of white/Christian guilt over the actions of (probably) my ancestors and the privilege that I now have, joy at seeing Robin's flourishing, and that weird, spiritual "something here is connected to a knowledge of Reality, to which the culture in which my spirit is rooted has almost no access". I can sense depth in her work, and while this is not the Source of Depth, her essays contain it and point in the same direction as did Till We Have Faces (thank you to whoever of you recommended that in the last town hall, btw). In particular, Skywoman Falling called me back to John Green and his advice that he put in a video 13 (yikes) years ago about what to do with your life - "make gifts for people". I work a corporate job, and the job itself is not world changing by any stretch, but every time I do something at work, on some level, I'm making a gift for someone. John's words have echoed through my soul ever since I first heard them, and now with Robin's additional lens of seeing gifts as sacred, the chord in my soul just got more complex. https://www.themarginalian.org/2014/01/14/john-green-advice-on-making/#:~:text=And%20don't%20make%20stuff,notice%20and%20like%20the%20gifts. Much philosophy out there makes me think of what kind of World we have. This book has me thinking about what kind of World we should have cultivated, and has me more convicted than anything else, more aware of the need for justice and restoration. In light of this, it's hard to feel satisfied by any worldview that doesn't bring what we've done to our world back into line. When she says "The commodity economy has been here on Turtle Island for four hundred years, eating up the white strawberries and everything else. But people have grown weary of the sour taste in their mouths." in The Gift of Strawberries, she puts language to the lack of satisfaction - it is indeed sour. And finally, The Offering, probably my favorite, but I can't put my finger on why. The concept of ceremony bringing our attention to a part of reality is part of what has me still attending the Anglican church, even now, as I'm not certain whether I really believe in Christianity or if I just received it from our culture and assimilated to try to fit in. I could have forgone church entirely, but I was too frightened to totally do that, and anyway there's something about the ritual that feels Real in a way that the goddamn non-denominational church's worship didn't. We just had Easter, and I woke up at 6:30 in the damn morning to go receive communion in the office of our priest, because a family commitment had me unable to attend the service at our normal time, and some alien component of my soul would not let me rest if I neglected the ceremony called for in the church's highest holy day. I still don't know what it was that possessed me to get up and go, and I'm shocked that I was able to do it, but I'm so fucking glad - 11 people in a room for 45 minutes was somehow right for my soul. (But next year, I'll definitely be trying to arrange the plans so I don't have to get up at such a disgusting hour.)

Riley McKinley

Hi, first timer here, I wished for a book club and it appeared, so here I am now. Only a few weeks ago I had this sudden moment of clarity about the garden of eden story. Something about The Tree of Good and Evil being about binary thinking in general, like The Tree of Life doesn't call things evil, it doesn't make the distinction. Eating that fruit, seeing things in your life as either ultimately good or evil, will cause you that classic human suffering. This also moves Eve's choice in the Garden from a mythic distant past to a current choice that is constantly being made. "can we all, understand the Skywoman story not as an artifact from the past but as instructions for the future?"-Skywoman Falling There are evil things in this world, described in this book, I can't help but see them as evil. Colonizers came, called themselves good and called what they saw evil, and used that to justify their actions. I wonder if the nuns at the residential schools felt any twinge of guilt in their stomachs. Something they couldn't name, couldn't trace, an ache they just shrugged off, something, something, original sin. They ignored the pain, ate the fruit, ignored the pain, sowed more seeds, tended to the growth of more Trees of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and now they grow everywhere. Now we have to feel that pain. But, clearly, abundantly, the Tree of Life has also born its fruit, to feed us, delight us, and replenish us. I'm inspired by how rich her memories are. I'm a little jealous. Are my memories so vague because of some trauma wall I can't see past, or did I see the world in a forgettable way back then?

Beck

ohhh I LOVE this comment! “from a mystic distant past to a current choice that is constantly being made” yes!! and the resultant alienation from the Earth that that choice entails. we have to learn new stories if we want to be able to imagine anything different for ourselves.

myrto

I have wanted to read this book for a while so I'm very excited to do so as part of this bookclub and to see everyone's thoughts on it in the process!! I have loved all the essays so far and each one has so many thoughts and ideas that intrigue me but I think I loved Asters and Goldenrod and the Grammar of Animacy the most because language has always been a fascinating topic for me. I love learning foreign languages, I am a teacher of one and I have studied languages extensively and I have been thinking about how language shapes our worldview by definition for a long time so the idea of animate and inanimate beings being the main distinctive feature feels like my mind expanding to all the right directions. Those chapters also made me confront my own relationship towards my language because I'm Greek, my native language is Greek and I have lived most of my life in Greece and yet (partly because of my intense need to distance myself from the country physically and mentally) I mainly read, think and consume books, music, or anything really in English and I have felt shame for that for a while now as if I am betraying my own language and all the baggage it carries (but also at the same time justified in doing that because I didn't want to be here). Anyway, I have been moving away from my intense dislike for the past couple of years, wanting to feel more at home in my own country and these two chapters made me want to approach that both when it comes to the land and nature as well as when it comes to the language and stories we tell about ourselves. I know of course that the author is discussing something as horrendous as forcefully taking language and culture and life away from so many people which is VERY different from my experience but I think it's still interesting how it builds on linguistic theories that have fascinated me for a while. Other ideas that I loved were about the nature of gifts and the idea of reciprocity both towards nature and towards other people and as a whole it's making me love and appreciate the world even more than I already do. Also I have a feeling I want to feel this book more than I want to think it so I'm trying not to intellectualize my experience as much as I normally would. Anyway, this is more about me than the book itself but I am enjoying it a lot so far, I love the writing style and the fact that she is also a poet and I loved reading everyone's thoughts about it too.

Anonymous

hey :) first time book club enjoyer here ! i usually am not too good w short essay collections (cant for the life of me not get through debord) but i feel like this length is just perfect for me to get used to the ideas in each essay. i liked how nature not being property is a common thread in everything she writes (often explicitly) - ever since having to read locke's two treatises ive been continually surprised again and again by the ways property rights are being conflated w the right to exist/be. (also shout out to my phil prof. for taking the time to really untangle the ways cap/lib/colonialism are tangled together from the first point) for a research project im working w rethinking stuff/things as being affective, active, working against and through you. Kimmerers writing has really been a nice push through some of the knots in my brain, given me some new realisations about my work and frameworks to think in ive also found my new favourite quote: all flourishing is mutual. i hope to carry that one w me for a long time.

Kylie

“At the same time, one never knows which is more enjoyable: catching sight of new shores, or discovering new approaches to age-old knowledge that has been almost forgotten.” The above is an excerpt from a paper documenting a psychologist’s visit to the Pueblo Indians of New Mexico, and it echos my feelings reading this text. The idea that we can use language as a vessel to relearn the personhood of life on Earth, and reframe humanity’s existence as one of reciprocity and mutual flourishing, is an encouraging hopeful message. The author’s push to reframe her student’s and humanity’s narrative for our relationship to the Earth is kind and needed. It’s a jump start for healing a wounded relationship where most of humanity is removed from nature in concrete jungles. Personally, I’ve never felt more simultaneously a piece of the landscape and surrounded by an unknown mystery as I do when I lived in, and now when I visit, Colorado. I learned the names of the plants in my backyard and watched animals. I discovered aspens’ underground root system and the horrors of the pine bark beetle, yet I understood this was just the surface of a world, a rich ecosystem that I could plumb for edible foods and relationships, but wouldn’t because “nature” wasn’t where my food came from. Asking “who a tree is” is a subtle shift in mindset that can ripple out into other arenas, as is putting your money where your values are. The general mass idea of “the West” embodies such a different framework, as Chief Ochwiay Bianco of the Pueblos noticed when he spoke about ancient Europeans. Their framework of property, of ownership: … “See,” Ochwiay Bianco said, “how cruel the whites look. Their lips are thin, their noses sharp, their faces furrowed and distorted by folds. Their eyes have a staring expression; they are always seeking something. What are they seeking? The whites always want something; they are always uneasy and restless. We do not know what they want. We do not understand them. We think they are mad.” I asked him why he thought the whites were all mad. “They say they think with their heads,” he replied. “Why of course. What do you think with,” I asked him in surprise. “We think here,” he said, indicating his heart. …If we set against this our own self-justifications, the meaning of our own lives as it is formulated by our reason, we cannot help but see our poverty. Out of sheer envy we are obliged to smile at the Indians’ naiveté and to plume ourselves on our cleverness; for otherwise we would discover how impoverished and down at the heels we are. Knowledge does not enrich us; it removes us more and more from the mythic world in which we were once at home by right of birth. … There can be healing here, beneath the acknowledgment of the West’s ideas of seeking and owning, there is room to reframe and heal. The above excerpt was from a paper talking about the different (European vs Native American) approaches to spirituality, but the religious philosophy is what frames that initial relationship of human and earth. Peace within our philosophy and our religion creates peace without in our external relationships. Excited to continue this collection.

Anonymous

Asters and Goldenrods kinda hit me deeply as it reminds me of a time in my life where I abandoned myself and the art I love in pursuit of what the world told me I needed to be, a mindless worker. I felt closed off to beauty and I worshipped “logic and reasoning” like a god. Truthfully I was deeply insecure and unaware of my trans-ness, so I allowed patriarchal and capitalist ideas to pilot my life. Over the past few years I’ve learned to love the Asters and Goldenrods again and transitioning helped so much with regaining my sight for beauty. Anyways though I'm enjoying this book so far, the absolute love expressed for the earth and life is so deep and primal, I feel as though I’m discovering words and feelings I’ve always known.

Jake Williams

I’m gonna save up my thoughts for the next chapter except to say (and doubtlessly repeat) that reading this book outdoors in a park or somewhere close to nature is soooo beautiful and really makes the experience transcendental. I cannot recommend it enough if you can, Kimmerer’s words blend with the ambient sounds of nature and it becomes impossible to not appreciate your surroundings that bit more. The last essay especially- on a day when I felt very lonely it was a great comfort to see all these bushes and trees and butterflies around me and realise I was surrounded by friends. A few days earlier I’d received a daffodil in lieu of a tip at work, so I left it with the tree I’d been using as a backrest to say thanks. For a moment, everything made sense.

margaret (formerly Samson)

Ooh, I'm curious, what do you mean by "get used to the ideas in each essay"? How do longer essays do it for you where shorter ones don't?

Halley

It is really special to listen to this book now, 4 years after reading it at a time when my world was changing rapidly. At that time I was just starting to learn and understand plants, feeling a deep desire to engage with the world physically, to get my hands dirty and have the satisfaction of creating something immediately useful and valuable after too many years of being immersed in the theories and papers and grades and screens of academia. Now I have my own garden, a privilege I've dreamed of for so long, and it is truly magical to witness the changes and learn from the same plants and critters over time by observation and presence. Asters and Goldenrods brought up some powerful questions, reminding me of a part of the Games book in which Nguyen said that the question “Are games art?” is actually an underlying question of value, a question about whether games can be worthwhile. It seemed like when Kimmerer's professor said that hers wasn't a 'scientific' question, the underlying message was that a scientific question is one worthy of being asked, worth devoting time and resources to exploring and getting to the root of it to offer some kind of answer. It is stating that this isn't even a question worth asking, in a world where the cult of sciences is presumed to be the most legitimate form of inquiry. Yet I find myself similarly captivated by this question of beauty- why are things beautiful? Aesthetics, science, art, philosophy- these questions need a multidisciplinary approach, or rather a dissolution of disparate disciplines to get closer to some truth, to some holistic understanding and comprehension of phenomena we experience and don't have the words for. Art and botany and ecology and optometry and biology and poetry are all necessary to answer the question of goldenrods and asters. Academia divides sciences into disciplines, and I think this is an inherent flaw of the system and obstacle to understanding complexity and nuance. And I find the pursuit of these questions and words so valuable. I think we have a need to find words to carry the ideas and experiences we have, to come closer to them, to embody them. I was reflecting on how I feel a closer relationship with the plants I can name, especially if I know their Latin name. Using apps like iNaturalist and PictureThis has helped me to identify and become familiar with the plants I encounter and opens the door to learning their history, use, and characteristics. Learning the Language of Animacy had me thinking of concepts that only occur in certain languages. There is a correlative relationship between the language we use and the way we think and act. Things that can only be expressed and therefore experienced in certain languages or contexts. I think of Turkish words like yakamoz, bereket, hak, ayip, and nazar that can't easily translate because they are too connected to traditions and beliefs in the places they originate. Or the word 'siesta' in Spanish conveys a lifestyle, a practice, a ritual intimate to the ones who use it. I am also curious where the boundary between animate and inanimate lies. I think there is an interesting discussion there in determining when something stops or starts being animate, and I'm curious how that's reflected in Potawatomi. The Gift of Strawberries brought up a dilemma I've been having in my own art practice. I've gotten to a point in my crochet/knitting that friends have started saying things like "you should sell those" and the amount I spend on yarn now has me considering it.. But it also fills me with anxiety and confusion, because I know it would change how I create and I cannot determine any price that would reflect the value of my creations. It is work, and I'd like to be compensated, but I feel like the value of money is an inadequate metric of measuring the value of handcrafted goods. It reminds me of a meme that goes, why buy a $10 sweater from Shein when you could spend $100 in yarn and over a month making it yourself? Rational economic calculations of labor and time and cost seen to try to convince me that my hobby is not productive or financially feasible. But maybe this practice doesn't need to exist in the realm of the economy at all, but rather in something like a 'gift economy' where the currency is relationships. I'd love to set up some kind of reciprocal art exchange instead, trading invaluable handmade pieces with other artists. I see parallels from the loss of native languages due to assimilation &amp; colonization with a loss of cultural heritage (worldwide) as a result of the dominant economic system. There is a wealth of wisdom and history of a culture in folk art and craft traditions, like carpet making and embroidery and anything ornamental or connected to ritual. These crafts are not viable/comparable to their easy and cheap alternatives, so the value cannot be compensated and the younger generations are not motivated to devote themselves to preserving it. I noticed in some of the comments a sense that this gift economy was too utopic, but I think it is something we put into practice in small everyday actions. I love to gift my creations to loved ones, devoting my time rather than money to create meaningful gifts. I see growing my own food, making my own clothing, and baking my own bread as what I like to think of as 'tiny rebellions'- actions I can take to reduce my reliance on exploitative systems. The anecdote of the dream in this chapter seemed to illustrate how we value what we're given more than what we buy or take, and I think that is the point here- we need to value (and share!) what we have more than we need to have more things.

Maya. D

Forgot to post this earlier hgsakgksdlj love Braiding Sweetgrass so far, it feels a lot easier to comment on than ZMM and Lila since a lot of that was just dense philosophy with large parts to cover each session so I didn't feel that there was much I could contribute other than “yeah this guy’s really onto something huh” or “yeah exactly” or some variation of that. I think my favourite part so far would be An Offering, just because of how much it values small ritualistic things that get meaning passed onto them through repetition and time, like dripping water making a hole in a stone over hundreds of years, with every drop contributing something to the Whole effect that wouldn’t be seen within a decade of its participation but crucial nonetheless. That might’ve been what Rabbi Akiva was talking about when he saw that rock. Now im not really sure where to post this because this is absolutely what maple sugar moon was talking about as well, leaving things as a legacy with the understanding that they won’t affect you but are a gift, something to be treasured for the new people to enjoy because why wouldn’t you return the favour of your garden being tended to, of your property being cared for, of your home being loved? I think it struck me the most because I was reading Planting Sweetgrass (and Tending Sweetgrass) over the first few days of Pesach and Chol Hamoed, which is a HUGE time for minhagim (customs that different families do depending on heritage and tradition and all that) of all sorts, with the biggest one (imo) being Kitniyot, whether or not to count beans and corn and other legumes of that nature as a component of creating leavened bread, and therefore taboo over Pesach. (This is going somewhere I swear) It started as a rift between Ashkenazi Jews (Eastern European, German, Polish, Russian) and Sephardi (Spanish, Portuguese) / Mizrachi (North African and Middle Eastern) Jews because Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews had direct access to legumes and Ashkenazi Jews got them shipped to Eastern Europe mixed with Chametz grains. There were other reasons as well, but that’s one of the main things that started it. A shipping dispute, resolved with a law based on place of residence. But now, in a time when vegetables getting shipped with grains isn’t nearly as big of an issue as it used to be, the minhag continues and has turned into a cultural event, the kitniyot-involved dishes being pride of place in Sephardi and Mizrahi households. And there are many more minhagim like this, especially on Pesach, and it feels like what An Offering was saying, that what could start off as a way to empty the coffee grounds from the pot or a solution to a shipping problem, can blossom into tradition full of meaning because *we decided* to put meaning there. &lt;3

BrEaNs

Having some time to let things settle, the two ideas that have stuck with me the most from this part are the "gift economy" and the "grammar of animacy." "Gift Economy" In my personal time, I occasionally do research on random science topics with the greater goal of developing a larger philosophy of science and politics and whatnot, and an idea that my mind is chomping on a lot lately is how western science is very "separatory." That is, science typically seeks to split things apart and taxonomize them as much as possible. This is more or less necessary for doing science and is a very powerful and needed thing overall, but it feels not entirely unrelated to the toxic individualism that courses through much of Western thought. Humans often talk about themselves like they are special entities that are above other species somehow (often by virtue of how amazing our ability to think is). It gets to a point where it feels like we have drawn a line between our minds and the rest of everything that exists, which, while our minds are indeed special, encourages a sense of arrogance if we don't make sure to express gratitude. Anyways, an example of this separatory nature of science that I play around with in my mind a lot is the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. The 2nd Law is a statement about how energy transfers itself between objects that roughly states that energy tends to spread out. For example, if a hot object (highly energetic) comes into contact with a cold object (less energetic), then the hot object heats up the cold object (the excess energy of the hot object moves to the cold object to create equilibrium). A popular summary of the 2nd Law is that the "disorder" of the universe tends towards a maximum. More or less, this idea of "disorder" comes from defining energy being concentrated as "order" and energy being dispersed as "disorder." I have a long standing grievance against this interpretation of the 2nd Law because a.) it confused the hell out of me when I was trying to learn about the 2nd Law and b.) because it is often used to paint the universe as cruel/to position humanity in opposition to the rest of existence. I bring all of this up, because I think the 2nd Law is evidence that the universe fundamentally functions akin to a gift economy (as opposed to a Hobbesian brawl). When the hot object heats up the cold object, it is SHARING its energy with the cold object. I think its quite telling that the universe is only able to meaningfully exist because energy is shared between objects (otherwise, there would just be one or a few objects holding on to all of the universe's energy for all eternity). Humans (and all life) are only able to exist because the 2nd Law allowed energy to be transferred in such a way as to create us, and we will die perhaps because the 2nd Law dictates that we must ultimately become one with the earth. The 2nd Law grants us life as a GIFT (something to be honored and cherished and enjoyed for what it is) but we are so mean to the 2nd Law out of a greater fear of death. This kinda turned into a rant about the 2nd Law loosely draped in a distant memory of Kimmerer's description of a gift economy lol, but that's what came to mind. "Grammar of animacy" I keep coming back to the idea that having a verb for "to be a bay" allows a bay to be "animate" instead of just a static description of a divide between water and land. Something I really appreciate about a lot of this book is how much it makes us feel connected to nature. I talked about how much I hate the separatory nature of science in the last section, and this book feels a lot like an antidote to that worldview because of the book's ability to continually find things like this (that our very language encourages separation from nature).

Kai Nahas

Animacy needs a new grammar and syntax, the English language deadens the living world, splits perception into phenomenon and observer. We need new metaphors. New sounds.

EMI

Braiding sweetgrass notes. Preface. · I like the idea of remembering something forgotten. I think it’s true that the wisdom of our ancestors lays within us and that we can access it sometimes. ·”the holder is as vital as the braider” nice. --- sky woman falling. · The legend or myth of a turtle or crocodile lending its back so the world can rest in it is present in every American (the whole continent not just US) pre-columbian culture. This tells us that the knowledge was communicated across the whole place and that all the peoples knew each other! It is said that the Aztecs sent someone to warn the northern nomadic cultures about the whites jajaja · “showing her our love and attention, our care for her beauty and well being” i think the language of love and quality ultimately is attention, real and caring attention to whatever you’re doing. Here, Robin refers to love to Mother Earth but it also applies to all that we can love. When I make art I pay attention so I can show my love to god and their gifts. · Really agree with the idea that Stories change how we behave and I love the example about the difference between Skywoman and Eve. It really seems to explain the different behaviour of European vs American (continent :P ) people. I think, speaking from my context, this is really visible in México. The Spanish did not fuckin exterminate all of the natives, they let them have jobs sometimes and obviously they mingled jajajajaja. We are a race with mixed stories and I think we are a country full of confusion and frustration. We want to honor our traditions but we think of ourselves as westerners. This, i think, is one of the reasons for the violence but also it leads to beauty and diversity. That’s why I really like “even when it’s misunderstood there is a power in telling”. I think if we share the oral tradition we can start to remember what our ancestors knew. I saw a meme of a scientist discovering the network of communication of trees and all of the ancient cultures telling him something like, we knew this hundreds of years ago. ---- The council of pecans. This one was a trip. I cannot believe the thing about all the trees fruiting at the same time all over the world! It’s such a testament to the divinity of nature! It also speaks to the real way we’re design to function, as a community. I thought about how the world completely changes depending on the concepts your society creates in your mid and your language. Land can be one thing for one people and a completely different thing for another. Mycelium mention! --- The gift of strawberries. Robin writes so beautifully here. This one let me access a somewhat already known knowledge. Or it made me mold a sludge of thoughts in my brain into something real with words. I love giving gifts. I love making gifts for my friends and family! The exchange of work for joy and community is the best feeling in the world and it can’t exist when the value of the gift is monetary before sentimental. “Our gift was time and attention” that’s all we really have, and so giving it is the ultimate gift! Again, this has to do with the stories in our society and how they shape each other. --- An offering. I didn’t grew up with a lot of rituals. My family isn’t religious or spiritual at all so the rituals we did were purely “rational” or functional like brushing our teeth before bed . As i become older I feel I’m connecting more and more with my spiritual side, but I still don’t have a lot of rituals. I mean i meditate every morning but I kind of realize it as a practical thing to do. Even if I still think it’s spiritual. When I read this I wanted to create a grateful ritual of my own. I didn’t know how to tho so I researched mesoamerican rituals so that I also could feel connected to my ancestors. The thing is most of their rituals involve sacrifice 🫠. Although I did not want to sacrifice something that is alive, I feel like sacrifice can be something really powerful, like sacrificing a little bit of coffee just to show you’re grateful. I still don’t have a ritual, but I will find one I’ll tell you when I do. --- Asters and Goldenrod. Beautiful! This one is the one I liked the most. I Can start to understand why we’re reading these one. Beauty is an ultimate value. Like science wants to be separate from it because it’s hard to prove objectively, but that’s dumb because if everyone experiences it it’s true. If science had the aim to make lives better it can start to aim to the value of beauty. Making a person’s world filled with beauty, meaning and community sounds like the best goal to me. Sorry my writing here is all over the place I’m just excited. Jajajaja Si i Can start to see the line we’re trying to erase. Like: indigenous wisdom vs wester thought. Spirit vs matter. Art vs science. Let’s un ask this questions loco. Learning the grammar of Animacy. Even though I liked Asters and goldenrod more, I found this one to be the most interesting. All the chapter is basically underlined so I don’t know how to start. I really like reading and thinking about language. I’m actually writing an essay about it right now. I’ve been bilingual all of my life but recently I also learned Italian, I lived in Rome for a while. As I was learning and immersing myself in this foreign land o started realizing italiana saw the world slightly differently. An idea about language being a lens trough which we understand the world emerged. When I had my psychotic break this sense solidified. So now I’ve been researching about language relativism because it turns out I’m not the first person who thought of this. There has been actually a long debate over the last to centuries about a dichotomy. Relativism vs realism. Is my world different to yours because my mother tongue is different, or do we see and hear and taste exactly the same. This debate apparently has been fought on the battleground of color. It’s very interesting and in my essay I’m trying to apply what I’ve learned here so I can bring a broader answer with dialectics. Un ask the question and find something greater. I don’t know, it’s hard for me because I believe in relativism and the realism part is not really getting trough my skull jajajaja. We’ll see.

Teralin

hi emi! I loved your thoughts on "an offering." meditation feeling more practical than spiritual is very real. I grew up in the christian tradition and this is how I sometimes felt about prayer before meals or attending church before I started deconstructing that religion for myself. now those things feel much more spiritual, but, you know, I still sometimes find myself praying by rote instead of from any particular feeling. though now I see prayer as an act of gratitude in itself. sacrificing time you could be using to begin your meal, start your day, or go to sleep in order to express a modicum of gratitude. I agree that sacrifice seems to be an important part of gratitude. love how you worded that. kind of also maybe ties into gifts and giving. I say thank you to my mom for raising my by calling her every morning. I say thank you to my friends for loving me by picking them up from their airport or helping them move. I say thank you to my partner for making me breakfast by washing the dishes or feeding his cat. "our gift was time and attention" I do think some of that still falls into the market economy. like it doesn't feel to me exactly like the gift giving Kimmerer talks about, but even so! is an offering a gift or an exchange? something I need to mull over a bit more.

Teralin

beautiful thoughts! I think that your two divisions of thought are actually deeply interwoven. maybe just one overarching thought which is that the animate properties of all natural things brings a certain humility to being human. I don't know much about the 2nd law of thermodynamics, aside from what I read here (thank you for summing it up so beautifully!) but I love what you said about how humans disrespect it out of fear of death. maybe some of that fear could be eliminated if we considered that death is also animate. once a soul has left a body, the body continues to give. it decomposes and gives food to the vultures and to the soil. the tombstone gives meaning to those who gaze upon it. that thought brings me some comfort as someone who experiences a lot of death anxiety. I guess I mean to say that both life and death are gifts given to us by the 2nd law. the energy is still being shared even after the consciousness can no longer perceive it. we live our lives, beautiful and rich, and then we give ourselves to the earth in order that others may have the space to live theirs. again, beautiful thoughts! thank you!

Teralin

your thoughts about gift economy and how it correlates to your art are really compelling. as someone who creates the impulse to sell is often times overwhelming. especially considering the costs that go into creation. making that money back would be so nice. but your conviction is beautiful. little acts of rebellion indeed. it reminds me not to contribute to the market economy needlessly. to live very slowly and intentionally. even when everything around us is begging is not to. it is a rebellion.

Teralin

this is beautiful! will definitely try that when reading the next section!

BrEaNs

Thanks for the kind words and thoughts! I agree that the two divisions are deeply related! A message from the book that is resonating with me as I get further and further into it is that we require communion with nature to be happy. In my opinion we have reached a point as a society where technology has deeply alienated us from nature and from each other. Bo Burnham's "That Funny Feeling" captures this pretty well. There's this weird disassociative funk that I perceive in my generation as social media and the internet at large become more and more dominant in our lives. Part of the solution to these problems seems to be (literally) touching grass. I like what you say about treating death as animate. You trace decomposition as a process by which we give our gifts back to the rest of creation and thereby exist in community with nature. Gifts and animacy relate as avenues of connection with nature. Animacy let's nature have an identity, and gifts are signs of our reciprocal relationship to natural identities. Anyways, thanks!

reva

the feeling i keep coming back to while reading the first part of this book is how it keeps putting words to things i have always believed, but never heard other people talk about or had the language to describe myself. it has always frustrated me how cynical people who pursue sustainability are about humans' relationship to the environment like in skywoman falling! but it's difficult to convince anybody to look for good in that relationship when my own life experiences don't really tell me what that would look like. the council of pecans describes how plants communicate with each other across long distances, which does make some intuitive sense to me. and the grammar of animacy hits at something really important to me, how things like rocks and grass and sand and trees are living beings that we should respect. i've never felt comfortable saying things like that to other people, because they would probably think it's ridiculous and unscientific or whatever. it's absolutely wonderful to see these ideas reflected in this book and to realize that there are entire cultures of people who celebrate these ideas as important truths of the world :)

valentin

i dont know if that is what you mean but i get so annoyed when people are like "humans suck and we should all die" or something like that. dont get me wrong, humans are the cause of a lot of harm towards nature, animal species dissapearing, becoming extinct at extreme rates, but the answer is not just deciding for humans to not exist anymore. there arent just two options: kill or be killed, there is a multitude of ways humans and nature can enter mutually beneficial reciprocal relationships and (as kimmerer describes later in the book) sometimes nature even thrives when in contact with humans. i relate to this feeling of somebody putting your thoughts into words for the first time. this book has several parts that just make me feel seen, its great. hope you continue and share your thoughts as you go along!

Blueberry Hill

I'm a bit late finding a copy of the book, but now having completed the first section some thoughts. The strawberry chapter definitely stood out the most to me. The gift economy and how it makes everything better. This reminds me of splitting bills when out to eat compared to organically trading off who pays. It's a much closer experience when you're not quibbling over each penny at the end. The joy of each others company sharing a meal is the highlight, once money is dragged in the magic isn't so readily there. There's a real beauty in how the various essays can effortlessly sweep from one paragraph describing nature in the most artistic, gorgeous way to an absolutely gut wrenching detail about how the US government and white colonizers so systematically oppressed native Americans. The contrast elevates the emotional impact on both ends. It's a great quality.

reva

i absolutely agree!!! i think it's such a pessimistic take, people have existed in harmony with nature before and still do today even if you don't personally get to see it. it's a bit overwhelming to fall behind the pace of the book club tbh but i do want to finish this book and keep commenting, thank you for your thoughtful response :)

mouse

i'm so so glad to be revisiting this book, I'm loving it even more than I did the first time around. 💚🍓 I adore the parts about geese so much. they're one of my favorite animals, they're beautiful, and have so much personality, and I think it's pretty disheartening that a lot of the very common animals in America like raccoons, geese, squirrels, etc are considered "pests". I think it's really telling how distanced Americans are from the world we live in and should value and listen to. speaking of listening! on my first read of Braiding Sweetgrass, I think I was missing a lot of what I'm noticing this time around. (brain bad. much better now lol. bear with me if anyone's reading this, its an off-the-cuff ramble) when reading GA3 and Braiding Sweetgrass, certain words that are used consistently really help solidify the text for me. in GA3 it's submersion. so far in You Are Not A Gadget it's lock-in. in Braiding Sweetgrass, it's listening. which kind of go hand in hand? they're "present memory" aesthetic experiences, I think. at least that's where my thoughts are going, I'm know I've heard that somewhere it's not an original thought of mine but I can't remember where aahh. anyway, i think that its like the nostalgia ache of the right now. the circular nature of being a being on a planet that intrinsically embraces a history and a consistency that even if we don't consciously process it, we feel it. the value found in the coinciding of the classical and romantic moment, the Quality of a moment. it's quietly ecstatic, it's something we look for and yearn for all the time. it's making me think about Contrapoints new video (oh my god, watch it) where she talks about the difference between craving and yearning. craving can be satisfied temporarily, but yearning is desire for something that can't be had, it just continues, if I'm understanding her right. short form internet content, substance addiction, the immediacy of drive through fast food, those satisfy cravings, but I think that it *feels* like they're satisfying yearning. yearning feels so much bigger, and when you feel that yearning, with culture the way it is now (and this is from a white Americans perspective, just for context) we don't know the difference between craving and yearning, because our culture lacks so much wholeness. we were never really taught that. like Natalie says, we only have the one word for love. so maybe it feels like we're satisfied in the moment, but over time, years and years of short form internet content, it wears down our resilience and our drive to create our own agency, and i think that the craving gets worse. we have to have another hit of whatever is dulling that ache sooner and sooner, I think partly because we don't even know how to define it. but its proven that craving can be managed by Recovery. and because recovery is a hard work of lifelong responsibility and commitment to faith, patience, service, that I think can help the yearning grow in a more productive, loving direction. back into a cycle into the natural communal world. yearning doesn't disappear, but I think it can become joyful and optimistic. a meeting of the past present future in Quality. watching Strawberries grow, being creative and building things with other humans just for the sake of creating and not for profit, listening to the people around you, hiking on a mountain and hearing the trees and birds and sun, any number of Quality experiences, I think that's a feeling of agency that is what we actually crave. and I think that it's very hard to reach for and find when we're so dulled down by distracting and meager cravings that get more and more painful to partake in. kill the fucking internet lol. something else I randomly thought about was the meme "touch grass". in Braiding Sweetgrass it popped into my head on page 58 with this quote: "Imagine walking through a richly inhabited world of Birch people, Bear people, Rock people, beings we think of and therefore speak of as persons worthy of our respect, of inclusion in a peopled world. We Americans are reluctant to learn a foreign language of our own species, let alone other species. But imagine the possibilities. Imagine the access we would have to different perspectives, the things we might see through other eyes, the wisdom that surrounds us. We don't have to figure out everything by ourselves: there are intelligences other than our own, teachers all around us. Imagine how much less lonely the world would be." after reading that, the phrase "touch grass" became suddenly aching to me. it sits heavy in my stomach and heart and throat. it's such a whispery combination of words, it's soft and it lilts pleasantly on your tongue. because touching grass is something that we obviously desire, even subconsciously, but the phrase itself has become antagonistic and condescending. it's not kind or loving, it's sarcastic and often demeaning. "get off the internet, you're being stupid" 🙄 but honestly, even just touching fucking grass isn't accessible for so many people for a multitude of reasons. can you meaningfully touch grass when your phone is in your pocket? but its the fact that it's an act, it's a verb, it's physicality, it's doing and being. "touching grass" is being! "touching grass" is as real as being a bay! *actually* touching grass is a radical act at this point because it's an agency you're creating for yourself. and it doesn't have to be specifically touching grass, it's just that that phrase isn't as loving as it feels like it should be. when it's said in a derogatory or condescending way, it's like the ownership of the phrase has become I don't know, poisoned and sad. slowing down is harder than ever and I don't know. i don't know where I'm going with this lol. I wish "touch grass" was happier being itself. anyway uhh yeah! I like this book lol

JustConnor

fuckk. this book has been the one i have been most unsure about in my journey to complete kti book catalog. HOWEVER jesus christ was i fucking wrong. every single essay it’s just enwrapped with beauty and quality and so many valuable thoughts and ideas. my favorite was definitely golden rod and asters. the mention of madison and the arboretum there is also enough to bring me to tears because it’s my home town. the arboretum is a pillar of my childhood and i’m so happy that others feel it’s beauty. but besides that the questions of science and beauty and art and logic and emotion are really important. i feel like the crushing of these questions and the stomping out of beauty is so sad and it’s good to have more thoughts from a healthier perspective. this quote is the best takeaway for me. Why are they beautiful together? It is a phenomenon simultaneously material and spiritual, for which we need all wavelengths, for which we need depth perception. When I stare too long at the world with science eyes, I see an afterimage of traditional knowledge. Might science and traditional knowledge be purpose and yellow to one another, might they be goldenrod and asters? We see the world more fully when we use both. (p. 46) overall this book so far gets me in that revolutionary spirit as well. i fucking hate so much how terrible american were and often still are to the indians. to see this country that is often brought up so high as this godly land of freedom and just see out digusting it is, is so ugh. and then there is also the tremendous loss of so much culture and language and ways of thinking that are so beautiful. the language essay broke me inside. and i love the hope the one teacher had, the hope that people will recognize that beauty and learn the near dead language.

phil e the theyby

Time traveling back to this from the future! As this book preceded my time on this Patreon, I have the unique privilege of reading this after having read Lewis Hyde's "The Gift," which obviously shares many points with "The Gift of Strawberries." And yet, this book has a TREMENDOUS amount more to offer. This book was less a collection of ideas and more a summoning of feelings that I'd generally describe as "profound sadness" and also "intense longing and hope." I've been reading about the contrasts between indigenous worldviews and dominant worldviews for a while, but the contrast of the Skywoman and the Eve origin stories created this immense sadness within me, for the ways that Eve's story (as it's described here and as I see it influencing many sects of monotheistic religion; obviously, there is diversity within any given religious tradition) creates a fundamentally adversarial relationship to the world and to reality. "The Council of Pecans" highlighting the "divide and conquer" strategy used by the colonists, and how systematically colonists severed Native Americans' relationship to land, and therefore their ability to resist, was crushing to read, because I also don't feel that I can reasonably say that the Native Americans "should have done differently." The choice between survival of the bodies of your people and the survival of the souls of your people is an impossible one, because if they truly kill the bodies of your people, their soul (or at least, the component of it that lives in human bodies and cultures, and that stewards the land) also dies. "Asters and Goldenrod" was such a beautiful encapsulation of something I've been grappling with for a long time, which is that scientific knowledge and other ways of knowing don't have to compete with each other, but can uplift and better each other. The recognition of both the limitations of scientific knowledge AND what science has to offer felt really wise and compelling to me. A brief quote at the beginning of "Learning the Grammar of Animacy" also pointed to this: "To name and describe you must first see, and science polishes the gift of seeing" (48). "I remember the words of Bill Tal Bull, a Cheyenne elder. As a young person, I spoke to him with a heavy heart, lamenting that I had no native language with which to speak to the plants and the places that I love. 'They love to hear the old language,' he said, 'it's true.' 'But,' he said, with fingers on his lips, 'You don't have to speak it here.' 'If you speak it here,' he said, patting his chest, 'They will hear you.' (58-59) I cried. I cried because this isn't just people who are Native American, or who can clearly trace their indigenous ancestry. We were all indigenous, somewhere, at some time. At some point in history, we all have ancestry that knew how to listen to and commune with the land, and to be a part of the world, not dominators of it. If you're a White American like me, it may be over 500 years ago. It may be literally thousands of years ago, in a totally different continent. You had a language to speak to the plants and the places you love. I had a language like that. What happened to it? Which empire eradicated it to expand their own power and domination? You may not ever know. I may not ever truly know for myself. But we can still learn to how to speak in, and how to listen in, that language. To me, that's both profoundly heartbreaking and profoundly beautiful. But that beauty isn't *for* me; it's not something to just hold onto and use to make myself feel better. It creates responsibilities to the world around me. And to me, reclaiming and honoring both that language and those responsibilities (to all beings in the world, human and other-than-human) is number one on my "list of reasons not to kill myself."