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[Pictured: A 'Far Side' comic featuring a man sitting in front of a computer screen displaying "FATAL ERROR." The man is thinking, "Oh come on - how fatal can it be?" while the Grim Reaper enters the room behind him.]We're out the other side of yet another philosophical literary tunnel and this time, I think it's finally taught us enough to fix the world. I look forward to the global peace that we will collectively bring about in the upcoming fortnight. Also looking forward to when everyone stops messaging me questions about what happened to CJ, nothing happened to CJ, CJ is alive, stop asking me if CJ is not alive because they are alive because nothing happened to CJ.Let's talk for a little bit about Postman's usage of 'disinformation' in this book. His definitional passage comes from pages 107-8.

[Opinions people have today] are opinions of a quite different order from eighteenth- or nineteenth-century opinions. It is probably more accurate to call them emotions rather than opinions, which would account from the fact they change from week to week, as the pollsters tell us. What is happening here is that television is altering the meaning of "being informed" by creating a species of information that might properly be called disinformation. I am using this word almost in the precise sense in which it is used by spies[...] It means misleading information—misplaced, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial information—information that creates the illusion of knowing something but which in fact leads one away from knowing[...] I am saying we are losing our sense of what it means to be well informed. Ignorance is always correctable. But what shall we do if we take ignorance to be knowledge?

Here we have the beating heart of Amusing Ourselves to Death, the inevitable conclusion of its worldview.Television as a medium spreads disinformation, not by malice, but via the inevitable causality of its presentation format. People absorb disinformation through television and believe it to be true information, this disconnect then insulating audiences further away from rational and 'real' ways of knowing, until the figure of Truth is buried completely underneath soundbites and summaries. The hypothetical, completely disinformed, human of this reality is Joni Thrombey from Knives Out: "I read a tweet about a New Yorker article about you."This degenerative process, and the concept of disinformation, is what Postman devotes the entire second half of his book to portending. And he does a good job. My man's only solve might be "look around this burning house and notice it's in flames," but he does a hell of a job pulling the fire alarm.The society of Postman's augury is based on a value system of objective reality. News reporting and entertainment melting into each other is primarily terrifying if you believe in the inherent good of news being reported in a clinical, unbiased, sense—while this is complicated by Postman's contradictory disdain for anything other than very very local news (pragmatically useful news), it's still rooted in desiring an 'untainted' experience of truth that is most accurate when emotionless and untouched. Something happened, and it is possible to understand utterly what that thing is, and we should strive to relate this information from one person to another without a single aesthetic device, human error, or other emotional complication.Can you do that? Can you think of a way to phrase something as simple as, "work was fine," that doesn't even suggest a story?Amusing Ourselves to Death is a classic book that forecast the future so precisely that it even predicted the complete trajectory of Bill Nye the Science Guy's career. It is so incisive and brutally accurate in some places that asking it to further generate solutions feels insensitive, like asking an Olympic weightlifter to carry you home after their gold medal ceremony. Or, as Postman put it, "this is an instance in which asking the questions is sufficient." (161)I'm willing to pick up the work of curing what he's diagnosed. So, my personal response to the bleakness within these pages?Directly facing the impossibility of Postman's enlightenment-era halcyon days frees us from a future of scavenging through variously disguised irrelevancies and empowers us to determine what stories are accurate, consistent, useful, and therefore true. In cases of unalignment, how do we make compelling the true but uninteresting? Since everything is entertainment now, what narratives verifiably lead to good health, meaningful relationships, compassionate societies, and great art?Empiricism is dead. Long reign the pragmatists.---------------------The Age of Show Buisness"Each technology has an agenda of its own. It is, as I have suggested, a metaphor waiting to unfold." (85) A particularly clever iteration of an argument he's been sharpening over and over."... one is reminded of George Bernard Shaw's remark on his first seeing the glittering neon signs of Broadway and 42nd Street at night. It must be beautiful, he said, if you cannot read." (86) Annotated in the margins of my copy: SCREAM, with SCREAM underlined."A news show, to put it plainly, is a format for entertainment, not for education, reflection, or catharsis." (88) I'm very interested in the inclusion of 'catharsis' here and do wish Postman pursued that notion further. Nowadays I contend that news shows can be singularly focused on delivering a disinformative false catharsis, the tidiness of which is part of the cushioning entertainment framework."Television is our culture's principal mode of knowing about itself." (92) Raw as fuck thing to say.---------------------"Now... This""['Now... this'] adds to our grammar a new part of speech, a conjunction that does not connect anything to anything but does the opposite: separates everything from everything." (99) BARS? BARS!"What has music to do with the news? Why is it there? It is there, I assume, for the same reason music is used in theater and films—to create a mood and provide a leitmotif for the entertainment. If there were no music[...] viewers would expect something truly alarming, possibly life-altering. But as long as the music is there as a frame for the program, the viewer is comforted to believe that there is nothing to be greatly alarmed about..." (102-3) Here encapsulates a schism between Postman and myself. He refuses to give ground to even the smallest aesthetic consideration, scorning background music as one step away from a baby soother, when I find additional elements to set tone a streamlining of what programs are trying to convey so that more time can be devoted to the actual story. There's an insulting way to do this, absolutely, that looks down on your audience's intelligence, but I see this as efficiency rather than condescension."Film footage justifies itself, as every television producer well knows." (103) Wonderful/succinct/real. 'Just watch the video!' persists today, the context of that video be damned."I should go so far as to say that embedded in the surrealistic frame of a television news show is a theory of anticommunication, featuring a type of discourse that abandons logic, reason, sequence and rules of contradiction. In aesthetics, I believe the name given to this theory is Dadaism; in philosophy, nihilism; in psychiatry, schizophrenia." (105) Dada is fascinating. If you've heard of Duchamp's urinal (which might cameo in Subjectivity In Art, I dunno I haven't watched it), that's Dada. This movement was personality forming for baby Ellen reading Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol for the first time. Yes Dada revels in incoherence, but motivated incoherence, political incoherence, hysterical emotional confrontation on the front lawn incoherence that's trying to find the string tying together all things. It's exactly like Wendy Williams.---------------------Shuffle Off to Bethlehemwhatever if im being Fully honestAnother case of Postman being so ahead of the curve on an observation ("Engagement based technological emotional parasocial media attracting cultlike devotional followers getting irreplaceable religious intensity from a closed circuit feedback loop with someone who's only accountable to their banker, is bad actually,") that the scholars following in his footsteps have since eclipsed him.---------------------Reach Out and Elect Someone"Because the television commercial is the single most voluminous form of public communication in our society, it was inevitable that Americans would accommodate themselves to the philosophy of television commercials. By 'accommodate,' I mean that we accept them as a normal and plausible form of discourse." (130) I think this is changing! Zoomers and UBlock Origin enjoyers have had it up to the ear!"It is difficult to say exactly when politicians began to put themselves forward, intentionally, as sources of amusement." (132) The instant the public swapped over to your definition of credibility, babygirl. As silly as it may sound, I understand it being hard to believe in the sincerity of a man you've never seen laugh after the technology makes the absence of laughter public-relationally notable."To understand how image politics works on television, we may use as an entry point the well-known commercial from which this chapter takes the first half of its title. I refer to the Bell Telephone romances, created by Mr. Steve Horn..." (134) Yeah the Bell Telephone romances of course we've all seen those.---------------------Teaching as an Amusing ActivityThis chapter delivers the one-two punches of what I've been privately thinking of as "Postman's Last Week Tonight rant," and the spectral forefather of a "goddamn your safe space, college campuses are out-of control," rant. Liberal elites who want their cookies. Alright man, we all hate Sesame Street, I don't think this one needed an entire chapter.[Immediately becoming serious] but obviously we all hate fictionalizations of news stories that do not adequately contextualize themselves and misrepresent actual people for narrative purpose without ethically disclosing such alterations were made and then billing themselves as basically documentaries so your sister watches two episodes of that Elizabeth Holmes thing and tries to talk to you about it as if she was in the Carryrou podcast mines with you and you're like okay but I told you to get the book and she's like whatever Amanda Seyfried is great in it and you say Amanda SEYFRIED? From JENNIFER'S BODY? and she says what's that and you're like WHAT'S THAT?!?!I believe Sesame Street and its fellows are sinister primarily in the removal they facilitate between a teacher and their subject matter. Children may have a harder time learning something in class because it wasn't taught to them by the teacher. It was taught by Bill Nye. Talking to their teacher about what they don't understand has an additional relationship barrier now: no rapport exists between the two parties, and the teacher might not even know what the video said, how it explained or what it covered particularly.I do wish Postman went into this, but I'm hardly shocked about a college professor ambivalent on pedagogy.---------------------The Huxleyan WarningReview chapter with no new ideas, which is form typical, but a ton of delightful one liners, which is Postman typical. He landed the plane alright. He closed the portal over New York."The problem, in any case, does not reside in what people watch. The problem is in that we watch. For I believe it may fairly be said that we have yet to learn what television is. And the reason is that there has been no worthwhile discussion, let alone widespread public understanding, of what information is and how it gives direction to a culture." (160) 🔥🔥🔥! The avalanche of questions following this paragraph all the way down the rest of the page really struck me as powerful without being accusative, and clever—discussion questions for the reader to mull over at the end of the book.---------------------So there you go everyone. Sign up for a newspaper and unsubscribe from CJ The X dot YouTube dot com before the damage can no longer be undone.In sad news, there will be no book club next month. We're breaking for a brief autumnal hibernation recuperation situation before getting back into it in October. Nobody is allowed to read ANY books for the next 27 days and I promise you, traitors will be identified.Our program wishes a good night to all the viewers at home. And now, this —

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OK I haven’t finished, I’ve only read The Age of Show Business and Now... This but I already have far too many thoughts bouncing around my noggin that I’m just gonna blurt some stuff out and if I find something worth coming back for in the following chapters I will. So, I think my big problem with this book is that Postman seems to me to be arguing from a foregone conclusion. I think this explains why a lot of his arguments make little sense - I simply can’t agree that oratory is the same as writing, or that television influences radio into becoming more shock-jocky, or that the format of the 5-minutes-each-to-speak-in-a-debate show is endemic to the medium of TV. It feels like he’s scrambling around for half-baked evidence of something he already believes to be true. But it’s hard to argue with him when he /is right/ about so much. The thing that finally cracked my head open though was this extract “I should go so far as to say that embedded in the surrealistic frame of a television news show is a theory of anticommunication, featuring a type of discourse that abandons logic, reason, sequence and rules of contradiction. In aesthetics, I believe the name given to this theory is Dadaism; in philosophy, nihilism; in psychiatry, schizophrenia. In the parlance of the theater, it is known as vaudeville.” OK, now I both feel like I’m starting to understand what he’s really getting at, but also feeling [PepeSilvia.gif] so bear with me. I don’t think Postman’s beef is with TV as a medium, despite how hard he tries to argue that it is. His beef is with fragmentation. TV, particularly with his idea of “Now This” thinking, just happens to exemplify the 20th Century cultural shift away from sequential, cause and effect* grand narratives toward [dun dun dunnnnn] (post)modernism. Dadaism being an absurdist reaction against the grand narratives and belief in supposed reason, logic, and rationality as guiding principles of society that led to World War I. Rather than our news consisting of a coherent narrative, as Postman would like, it delivers contextless fragments. To him, this makes Truth impossible to decipher, but again, he’s working from a foregone conclusion, that grand narratives tell us what is True**, while that worldview disregards questions about who gets to tell those narratives and why. And I think he is right about a lot. I think his observations about the fragmentary nature of how we receive knowledge now /does/ make it hard to decipher what’s True and what’s important, and he has many more astute observations (Who KO’d who? = Jordan Peterson DESTROYS blue-haired SJW). But the problem is that he privileges the written word by virtue of the fact that it’s what came before and that it’s a sequential medium, which he likes. We’ve moved on, Neil, and we’re not going back. Which brings us to the “Now what” as expressed by Ellen above. I don’t think we’re ever going back to grand narratives. But it’s clear we aren’t coping with “Now This” thinking. It feels like what we need, and possibly what we’re inching towards, not least in this book club, is an idea of mycelial thinking - a way of thinking that recognises fragments but also understands how they’re interconnected and are without hierarchy***. Donna Haraway calls it Tentacular thinking. There’s a British Iranian artist called Javaad Alipoor who has a show making the rounds at the moment called ‘Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World’ that explores this way of thinking, linking it specifically to Wikipedia deep dives (no matter where you start, if you keep clicking the first link on Wikipedia, you’ll eventually end up on the page for Philosophy) and how knowledge is like a web(!). The form of the show itself was collage-like, formed of autobiography, stand up, music, true crime podcast, and I think we’re going to see more collage-like work in theatre and probably across the arts. Javaad talks a little bit about the show in a video here if you scroll down https://homemcr.org/production/things-hidden-since-the-foundation-of-the-world/ (note the Pepe Silvia board in the header image!) He mentions "Postcolonial theory and the relationship between the parts of the world that feel like the centre and the parts of the world that feel like the periphery" - i.e. undermining Eurocentric grand narratives. I also think it’s a particularly neurodivergent way of thinking (I know Javaad a little and I’m pretty sure he’s undiagnosed ADHD). Another artist exploring similar themes in the UK and in Berlin with a very different aesthetic is Oozing Gloop, who’s autistic. She made a sort of swampy cabaret show inspired by Tentacular Thinking and has made a digital art piece based on the live show, available here https://tentacularspectacularlive.art/ (content warning for some unsettling imagery though I’ve not seen the whole thing - the collective of artists involved use the Grotesque a lot in their work). I didn’t write up my thoughts about the David Foster Wallace but his style of writing struck me as very ADHD and possibly fits into this too. See also me using brackets**** all the time hahaha. OK, that’s me. Hope at least some of that made sense. x *(s/o Ted Chiang). **(hello Joseph Cambell) *** (What’s up Robin Wall Kimmerer?) **** and footnotes

CJ The X

So I’m really glad that this book has enterered Book Club canon, I’m happy to have finally read it, I feel like if I hadn’t given it my full sustained attention, my Kill The Internet Education would remain incomplete. As Ellen said above, there are numerous examples of “Postman being so ahead of the curve on an observation that the scholars following in his footsteps have since eclipsed him.” There are also examples where his intensity seems misplaced. The pages committed to discrediting Sesame Street seemed pretty inconsequential, but I honestly read like a action packed thriller in comparison to his The Voyage of Mimi EXPOSED section. I do not know about you all but I could NOT take this man seriously while he was talking about The Voyage of Mimi, could not shake the feeling this was not a good place to direct his ire. I don’t even think he was necessarily wrong, it just felt kind of petty, as did his critique of the uhhh rock music classroom? It kind of reminded me of people going after “trans ideology” based on a kid in a classroom somewhere that identifies as a cat, or whatever. Like, this isn’t an institutional failure of morality, this is just some dubiously existent thing that you are giving waaaay too much power over your life. However even within that detour there are pieces of the point that still stand, like on page 152, which was evocative of Ellen’s substack post on Memory and Media Literacy https://ellechantment.substack.com/p/girlblogging-through-the-death-of/comments The way that Television (and by extension of course social media) FEELs like it’s educating you while actually rendering you incapable or remembering or engaging with things in any real dynamic human way IS still the concern. I’m not convinced The Voyage of Mimi or the odd classroom gimmick is the poison to be concerned about though, nor the mere concept of fun being woven into didactic word-based education. In the same chapter my motherfucking boy John Dewey makes his predictable appearance, whose presence I think draws attention to the slippery boundary between “Fun” and “Interest”. “You will find it said—Plato and Dewey emphasized this—that reason is best cultivated when it is rooted in robust emotional ground.” (p. 146) Although I don’t think television based mediums can replace word-based education, I don’t think cutting ourselves off from the emotional interests of our youth is the best way to keep the youth motivated to pursue education. Overall, teaching chapter didn’t really hit for me, just wasn’t as subjectively interesting to me as other things, so onto other things. ~~~~~~NOW….THIS~~~~~~~ This to me is about advertising and nothing else. The way that sociologists and philosophers have criticized The Age of Show Business does leave a tremendous amount of yearning in the heart for a time when it was maybe less ubiquitous to absolutely drown in content and advertising. Adorno/Veblen/Postman do a great job at drawing your attention to how much of life is communicated in the language of ads and profit, to a really absurd degree. Looking around a city sometimes just feels like a total assault on your mind when you start to realize how many fucking signs and schemes are at play. I often think about the Lakeshore flower beds between Downtown Toronto and the Western Suburbs, carefully planted and cultivated in the logos and names of various corporations. They must have paid the City to turn these public expressions of aesthetic quality into contextless reminders of their existence. The beautification of our city is another opportunity to remind you that Bell Canada…. exists. Exerts control. A little farther west is Budweiser Stage and BMO Field. Somewhere else in the book Postman makes mention of celebrities advertising products that have absolutely nothing to do with them. I’m always haunted by this Daisy Ridley just posing beside a makeup wipe. That’s the ad. You know her. Now, make up. And we accept this as a sensical statement. This flower bed, Bank of Montreal. You get it, right? NO! “We have become so accustomed to its discontinuities that we are no longer struck dumb, as any sane person would be, by a newscaster who having just reported that a nuclear war is inevitable goes on to say that he will be right back after this world from Burger King: whos ays, in other words, “Now… this.” One can hardly overestimate the damage that such juxtapositions do to our sense of the world as a serious place.” This critique has just imploded like a neutron star in the context of social media. At least on TV there was a slight separation between the ad breaks and the show, or the news from the sitcom. Social media just makes it all one fucking sludge. I really hate the financial mechanism of random people with platforms performing ads for products that they have nothing to do with. I can’t help it, it’s embarrassing watching podcasters do ad reads for random bullshit. People say “that’s just how the industry works” but I cannot help but lose respect for people, I really can’t. The complete ubiquity of leftist video essayists stopping their anti capitalist research piece to advertise Surfshark will just never fail to make me laugh. It’s preposterous.

I was watching a video that somebody made (not naming it bc this wasn’t a proud watch, it was a boredom/avoidance shame watch) wherein they critiqued another YouTuber for doing an integrated ad, basically. Like, content that didn’t have an ad break, but WAS a paid ad in disguise as entertaining content. And then they stopped their critique of this guy to do a Surfshark ad read. The idea is supposed to be that he’s TRANSPARENT about his ad, and it’s confined to ONE SECTION of his video. But I mean… come ON. Have we ceded so much ground, are we such impotent leftists and ineffective business people that we have to split hairs to save our morality, and critique people slightly farther down the pipeline as us to make ourselves feel better? I make money off of Google ads that I allow to run on my YouTube videos, I’m not massively proud of it but it’s true. It happens automatically, people can always download ad block and I sometimes remind to, and it earns me a bigger check when my video drives more traffic, which I find to be fair compensation if YouTube is going to profit off of me. But I just don’t have the heart to personally advertise anything except for something that *I made*. I didn't advertise Patreon until I had built some content on here that I thought was worth anyone’s time. And I will advertise some of the products I’m developing because I am VERY involved in their manufacturing and design, and I will be the prime beneficiary of their sale. “Imagine what you would think of me, and this book, if i were to pause here, tell you that I will return to my discussion in a moment, and then proceed to write a few words in behalf of United Airlines or the Chase Manhattan Bank. You would rightfuly think that I had no respect for you and, certainly, no respect for the subject. And if I did this not once but several times in each chapter, you would think the whole enterprise unworthy of your attention. Why, then, do we not think a news show similarly unworthy?” (p. 104) This book is making we want to read Present Shock by Douglas Rushkoff. Would choosing yet another Kill The Internet book for Book Club be overkill? Or is that maybe kind of the theme of book club. Can I call the book club the Kill The Internet Book Club? It’s certainly no book club for book club’s sake. ~~~~~~SHUFFLE OFF TO BETHLEHEM~~~~~~~ I got a little more out of this chapter than our decorated Lieutenant Ellen did, but I am so biased towards discussions of sacrilegious Christianity it hurts. I am constantly rolling my eyes at church congregations trying to “adapt to the electronic space.” It’s an absolutely nonstop Sisyphean pipe dream that if church’s can get hip enough, they’ll be able to expand their ministries online and create some high quality spiritual experience for “the folks at home” tuning into the livestream. Livestreams are fine. There is a base level of competence that I think is good to achieve, try to get multiple camera angles and a separate audio mix for the Livestream so that you’re not getting god awful dry SM58 microphone quality that sounds like shit fucking ggarbge ashit fuhcfudsafhfjh But that’s pretty much all you can do. The attempts at more sophisticated integration are fundamentally flawed. Postman is right, although I disagree with some of his definitions of religious states of being (can you believe it, the definitions of the transcendent feel a little limiting). Although we don’t exactly agree on the meaning of a consecrated, sanctified physical space, it’s true you are fighting uphill in a hurricane trying to make a fucking YouTube livestream a religious space. Religious mass and religious experience can happen anywhere, but there’s a reason it’s meant to happen in real life, in community, in a sacred space. You aren’t going to beat that. I would rather online additives simply represent that space well without trying to recreate it or expand it digitally. People will 100% go to the bathroom while watching the church livestream. That’s what happens. That’s how it goes. Expect it. It shouldn’t need to be said that Prosperity Gospel preachers and fundamentalist televangelists are the anti-Christ. Thats like proposition 1, if anyone disagrees the conversation is probably a nonstarter and I hope they find Jesus lol. Maybe they can start by reading the Gospels. “If I am not mistaken, the word for this is blasphemy.” (p. 123) There’s another slightly blurry distinction on p. 122 between “Entertainment” and “Enchantment”. “The difference between these accoutrements of religion and the floral displays, fountains and elaborate sets we see on television is that the former are not, in fact, accoutrements but integral parts of the history and doctrines of the religion itself; they require congregants to respond to them with suitable reverence…. A Catholic does not light a votive candle to improve the look of the altar…. The spectacle we find in true religions has as its purpose enchantment, not entertainment. The distinction is critical. By endowing things with magic, enchantment is the means through which we may gain access to sacredness. Entertainment is the means through which we distance ourselves from it.” (p. 122) Although this is true, the distinction is not so clean. They definitely interpenetrate. It’s hard to objectively draw the line. I am reminded of one of the many products that has come from the hundreds of hours the research team has spent speaking of such things (probably >1000 actually) wherein Ellen has advocated for Tolkein’s definition of Enchantment, as found in his essay On Fantasy. I’m not going to get too far into it bc I bet they will write about it publicly far better than I can, but Enchantment IS important, but not limited to religious activity. I see that I’m not really saying a lot about this so basically I’m saying I…. like? This paragraph? Idk why don’t you tell me what you think. ~~~~~~REACH OUT AND ELECT SOMEONE~~~~~~~ Hit me in the despair! “a person may also come to believe that it is not necessary to draw any line between politics and other forms of social life” (p. 131) ahaha oh god! “It is a rare and deeply disturbed person who does not wish to project a favourable image. But television gives image a bad name.” (p. 134) eeeeEEEEEEEEE “With television, we vault ourselves into a continuous, incoherent present.” (p. 137) I gotta read that Douglas Rushkoff book. “…censoship is not a necessity when all political discourse takes the from of a jest.” (p. 141) I still wonder if people understood exactly what I meant about jokes in the Bo Burnham video. I certainly wholeheartedly agree that censorship is not really our enemy. A LACK of information is not the problem. It’s the form that information is communicated in, and our a priori structures for making valuable meaning out of the information that are the problem. Just getting waterboarded by the culture smoothie and saying “its easy just be rational and object and Free Speech the hell out of this” is not solving anything at all. "To talk seriously about television, one must therefore talk of epistemology. All other commentary is in itself trivial. (p. 17) Also this bit about censorship in ancient Greece made me laugh “…the case of Protagoras, whose books were burned because he began one of his discourses with the confession that he did not know whether or not there were gods.” (p. 138) Why do I feel like this is based? lmao It’s funny if it’s just like hating people who aren’t interested in talking about God because they’re boring and it’s also funny if they just hate indecisive people because they’re boring. ayo fuck this guy ~~~~~~THE HUXLEYAN WARNING~~~~~~~ Just a fairly deserved victory lap, honouring the title. “Who is prepared to take arms against a sea of amusements?” (p. 156) “Public consciousness has not yet assimilated the point that technology is ideology.” (p. 157) https://haweya.substack.com/p/on-tailoring-your-social-media-experience-8d5 “The problem, in any case, does not reside in WHAT people watch. The problem is THAT we watch. The solution must be found in HOW we watch.” (p. 160) https://cjthex.substack.com/p/those-arent-tweets-those-are-your I am so, so charmed at Postman’s simultaneous catastrophic underestimation of computers AND his completely flawless evaluation of the philosophical flaws they have at their root. “Although I believe the computer to be a vastly overrated technology, I mention it here because, clearly, Americans have accorded it their customary mindless inattention; which means they will use it as they are told, without a whimper. Thus, a central thesis of computer technology—that the principal difficulty we have in solving problems stems from insufficient data—will go unexamined. Until, years from now, when it will be noticed that the massive collection and speed-of-light retrieval of data have been of great value to large-scale organizations but have solved very little of importance to most people and have created at least as many problems for them as they may have solved.” (p. 161) Totally transcendent one two punch, where the jab misses pathetically and the second punch crunches bone. ~~~~~~CONCLUSION~~~~~~~ And that’s it. Good book! He’s a very entertaining writer, and it’s fascinating to track the lineage of all this thinking. A couple quotes & ideas from this have made it into the JBP video. I think that Postman’s conclusions are interesting. It’s a very stimulating book because there is so much nuance in all the points we agree/disagree on in where the problem/solution lies. It’s fair enough for Postman to be satisfied that being aware of the epistemological problem of television and talking about it is enough to wake us all up out of our slumber. He isn’t alive today. We are aware, and the machine just keeps churning away at our psyches. I find myself attracted to some of the radical solutions that he essentially dismisses as unrealistic. Banning political advertisements on Television. Yeah we gotta ban some fuckin shit. I kind of do want to ban politicians from Twitter. I don’t know. It’s just such an incredibly fraught technology it makes me want to force people back onto websites and blogs. But maybe that’s me getting angry about The Voyage of Mimi. You gotta go where people are. I don’t know. I am pro regulation on these things. I don’t think censorship is the danger, I think the overload of information and the conflation of for profit-ad-based-social-media with Reality or Truth is the danger. When he says The problem does not reside is WHAT we watch but THAT we watch, and the solution must be found in HOW we watch, I would respond that the solution must be found in How AND That we watch. We should watch less. We should figure out how, and create cultural movements predicated on it. We should also grow up as culture and start seriously investigating How we watch. Some ways are superior to others. We can figure out some of those superior ways and we can encourage them, normalize them, formalize them. I have been thinking of some myself. I’ve been thinking about the Cell Phone box, into which your phone goes for at least hours at at time. Do other stuff. Don’t carry it on your person all the time. Suffer the slight disconnection for a richer life. I also have been thinking that the reintroduction of alarm clocks into our life might singlehandedly save us from looking at a screen first thing in the morning. Matter of fact now that I have said this publicly I must shamefully practice what I preach and buy an alarm clock. So I will, today, to test this. There are many other small things too. I will keep thinking of them. Curious to hear other people’s thoughts. Nonetheless, as Postman humorously highlights in this case study, hoping that by watching Television people will learn that they ought to stop watching television is simultaneously futile and SINCERELY THE ACTUAL SOLUTION. Raising consciousness of the ad based attention economy capitalistic incentive of these social media platforms to alter your mind helps. The internet is a complex place, and it is possible to carve out positive spaces. I think strong philosophy and strong culture can do this. The best of the internet doesn’t demand that you stay chained to your device. It reminds you to live. Jenny Odell and Haweya’s substack usefully remind us that the more we opt out, the less time we spend scrolling, the more original and effective our attention is when we do use it. It’s a dialectical solution. I believe we should carefully discuss the harmful effects of internet use the same way we discuss tobacco and alcohol, and we should regulate it similarly. I also think we should foster individual capacity to disengage, and think, and live, so that individuals can effectively think about these things. 
Sigh. I hope the website we’re constructing can do some of this well. Looking forward to reading what others think on the solution. Back to the editing bay for me. Zoom Town Hall after the video comes out. It'll give us more to talk about.

valentin

Ready to dive into part 2 Read most of this in a Park 15 minutes from where I live. Lovely spot https://imgur.com/a/69A9XVr When I was a little kid, the store I used to buy my shoes from (or rather, my parents would buy shoes for me) had a TV constantly playing a movie in the center of the try on area. As a (predictable) consequence of this, I would rarely focus on the shoes I was buying and instead stare at the screen. I'm not sure if this was supposed to increase the time spent in the shoe isle or just a kindhearted attempt at making the shopping experience more entertaining for children it had the ugly effect of making it basically impossible (for a child) to actually focus on the task at hand. Reading this book makes me angry about how things could be if they weren't how they are. It makes me angry that it didn't even occur to me that "Let me think about that" or "I don't know" or "What do you mean when you say that?" (see p. 90) were at some point in time valid responses in a debate. It makes me angry that the potential of the internet has been squandered and its now just an endless soup of corporations throwing shit at you, with creatives, artists and anyone else having to squeeze themselves between the afformentioned shit throwers. It feels like a punch to the gut to see an emerging technology with potential and to realize how it will slowly but surely be mangled by corporate interests into something ugly, unfriendly to humans. The rise of AI language models that can maybe(?) simulate a human-like conversation at some point raises questions about how they can and should be implemented/regulated. But knowing corporations like Google I don't have much hope that a lot of thought will be put into how to regulate AI. Instead, newer versions that can do more stuff emerge constantly. Unchecked growth of something we barely unstertand. And we haven't even begun to comprehend what the long term effects of the latest big technology, social media/the internet on our society will be. As Postman said: "[...] you make a cultural revolution. Without a vote. Without polemics. Without guerilla resistance." (p.157) But its not all a lost fight. In fact, I think we have mostly achieved Postmans "solution" to the problem: Realising the effects of television/social media. Most people these days know that if you spend to much time in front of your screen your social life, attention span and comprehensive abilities will suffer. But this shows why I put the word "solution" in airquotes; awareness isn't enough. We know it is bad for as and yet we still engage. This is like a second punch to the gut. And yet we must rise again. "Like the brain, a technology is a physical apparatus. Like the mind, a medium is the use to which a physical apparatus is put." (p.84) I think we are at a very critical cultural moment right now. Television is no longer a cultural danger, it has been replaced by the internet. The biggest and most dangerous medium at this time is social media. And social media is getting worse. Twitter is spiralling down a sinkhole with a 60 ton weight attached to it. Bad decision after bad decision the platform has alienated it userbase and it almost seems like twitter users are reaching escape velocity. For the first time since I've been counscious a major social media platform seems to lose its grip on the culture. Anecdotally, most of my friends seem to agree that nowadays Instagram is worse than it used to be. Finding interesting content has become incredibly hard. Instead the platform tries to force feed you diet tiktoks. It seems to me that a lot of social media is losing its momentum. The third punch to the gut was a miss. "It is not merely that on the television screen entertainment is the metaphor for all discourse. It is that off the screen the same metaphor prevails." (p.92) What we do online creeps into our reality. Your thoughts become tweets and your stories become tiktoks. If we can change the internet for the better, that changes the real world for the better. What if the internet was a good place? What if you didn't have to feel a little bit of guilt everytime you finish a scrolling session? I've been thinking about this a lot recently and I'm not sure if or how it would be possible but I think its worth a try. I extend my thanks to CJ and Ellen (and the rest of the research team) for cultivating this Place on the internet. CJ was saying how they were thankful that people are engaging even on the "off season" with book club posts and the like. I assure you that we are doing this for us at least as much as we are doing it for you. This bookclub has been one of the most valuable experiences I have ever made on the internet. I hope it sticks around for a while. That's all, see you at the Town Hall (das reimt sich, und alles was sich reimt, ist gut.)

annie liz

the second half of this book took nearly every thought and critique i had about the first half and kicked my ass in the second half, saying, “HA I already thought of this.” do i feel silly? yeah lol. will that change anything about my post in part 1? of course not, now it’s a monument to my hubris. or just my capacity for critical thought before getting all the info. either way, consider me humbled but still happy to be here. CH6 At the end of the chapter my note just says “scathing!” “What I am claiming here is not that television is entertaining, but that it has made entertainment itself the natural format for the representation of all experience.” (p. 87) No one goes to a movie for government policy, a record for baseball scores, the radio for a presidential address, “but everyone goes to television for all of these things… television is our culture’s principal mode of knowing about itself.” (p. 92) Very self-fulfilling. Snake eating itself. Metaphor metaphor. I loved the consideration of television as an impossible medium for catching people “in the act of thinking.” To prevent being *SEEN* in the negative light of being “unprepared” (not actually BEING unprepared, but appearing so), every avenue must be explored in pithy comebacks, quick retorts, and vast-spanning surface level knowledge. It begs the question; if speakers have to do all this preparation before coming to the rhetorical podium, why not return to the typographic medium where you can explore things with time? Clearly, because the Conversation isn’t the point. Television claims to capture everything in a much more “real” sense; real reactions, real responses, real people you can SEE respond to stimuli. But people aren’t “real” on TV; otherwise, we’d see more hesitation, more diverse faces, more mess. It’s not built for reality, it’s built for entertainment. Postman just explained all of this way better than I did, but this was a real clicker for me. Painful note on the futile efforts of those who push against. “There are other programs… which clearly strive to maintain a sense of intellectual decorum and typographic tradition, but they are scheduled so that they do not compete with programs of great visual interest, since otherwise, they will not be watched.” (p. 91). Oof. CH7 This truly felt like the meat and potatoes chapter, and it was really, really good. Standouts to me were: - Exhausted implications preventing the act of thinking, an act we have already established to be inconducive to TV’s climate. “It is simply not possible to convey a sense of seriousness about any event if its implications are exhausted in less than one minute’s time. In fact, it is quite obvious that TV news has no intention of suggesting that any story has ANY implications, for that would require viewers to continue to think about it when it is done and therefore obstruct their attending to the next story that waits panting in the wings” (p. 103). - Connecting to the implications, the sense of unreality that those implications—or lack thereof—give the stories we hear about the world. If there can be no implications, then there really can be no connections to the real world. “The viewers, for their part, will not be caught contaminating their responses with a sense of reality, any more than an audience at a play would go scurrying to call home because a character on stage has said that a murderer is loose in the neighborhood” (p. 104). - The MEANING of “well-informed.” This SCREAMS 2020 and beyond. The way everything began condensing even more, giving us rapid fire events that said nothing more than the headline but gave us enough to be angry about, the under-researched (or unresearched completely) ig slides that had no substance but looked pretty enough to share and look good and make you feel good for sharing them. “I am not saying that we are losing our sense of what it means to be well-informed. Ignorance is always correctible. But what shall we do if we take ignorance to be knowledge?” (p. 107-8). Like Ellen said, the beating heart of the book. CH8 Bethlehem oh baby I am all over this. Livestream church, fog machines, confusing the presence of God with the presence of the person on a dark stage with the brightest possible spotlight as the camera zooms in on them riffing like there’s no tomorrow, oh and what if we threw one more bridge in to get a couple more hands up before cutting to a wide shot of the congregation? Trailers for sermon series, comedy skits under the guise of a more important Message that I promise you’ll see if you just tune in next week, but don’t worry you can just tune in from home! I was deep in this shit. It’s so fun and cool and exciting and you get so into the visuals until suddenly you realize they’re only MAKING it FOR the visuals, and your theology is nothing but visuals, and it’s hollow, and you’re hollow, and you feel like you’ve been surfing the line of cult a littttlllle bit too close. Do they put on this show for the sake of it? Are all these drone glamour shots of the next remote location the “community” your tithes, so forcefully requested, are going towards? CH9 was… an educational bummer. Didn’t feel great! A LOT of standout one-liner gut punches, most of which I will reframe from pasting except: “Among [commercials’] lessons are that short and simple messages are preferable to long and complex ones; that drama is to be preferred over exposition; that being SOLD SOLUTIONS is better than being CONFRONTED with QUESTIONS about problems” (p. 131, capitals added) shit!!!!! CH10 I similarly do not quite grasp the vitriol towards Sesame Street. As already stated above, it’s ineffective as a sole educator and does not replace the relational interaction between student and teacher, but beyond that, I can’t find the ire. I’m not sure if kids just learning to read are necessarily working on their prerequisite courses. CH11 A banger of a closer! A connected line of thought to his points on laughing our way to hell is what I consider to be our culture’s deep-seated fear of sincerity. It’s not just the post-ironic memes, but the self-aware superheroes, the fantasy story that laughs at itself, the constant flow of entertainment where there’s always a line that smugly winks at you as if to say, “I know it’s made up. Isn’t it funny that it’s made up?” It’s a fear that forces us to roll our eyes at everything, because to put your whole heart in something is to show the world that you are vulnerable to it, and subsequently vulnerable to everyone else because of it. It’s getting excited about something and immediately apologizing to your friends for it. It’s getting excited on a youtube livestream and viewers are so flummoxed by sincerity that they just try to meme their way through the chat hoping that brings a laugh to break the tension wrought by CARING about something. Comedy becoming the first line of defense when it should be an additive, something special. I’m off-topic again. This book was very good! Gave me lots to think about and much I want to mull over. I think I need to read it again maybe four more times to find more of where I really resonated and where I had question marks. I’m not yet proficient in philosophical criticism but I really like learning. ur very cool book club xoxo

Chandler Sterling

I am back with less frustration and more humility (I hope). With the full context of where he was going with his arguments, I think a lot of my previous issues/questions were misplaced/unimportant in the grand scheme. The first half was so focused on defending the typographic medium that I assumed the only solution he had in mind was a regression towards "the old days" but the final chapter firmly put me in my place. It took the full book to convince me, but I am finally convinced that Postman was being genuine when he said he wasn't just going to clutch his pearls about this new direction for culture. I am still adamant that Postman's assessment that the source of the problem is inherent to the medium of television, but I am willing to concede that I can't currently identify what the source is, so really my whole previous discussion wasn't accomplishing as much as I would've liked. Can't tell you the last time I watched TV, but I do have a lot of sentimental connections to times when I used to watch TV. Having finished the book now, it's pretty clear that I might've taken offense at some parts and my arguments were more focused on ensuring that I didn't spend a decade of my life getting molded by an inherently dangerous medium. That being said, I think I also found the real source of a lot of my annoyances with the first part. When I read Bram Stoker's Dracula for the first time, I found the first half of the book intensely frustrating. Stoker is so coy about what could possibly be the source of all these odd occurrences? This woman has these weird bite marks on her neck; ooooh, so spooky, what kind of animal does that? Obviously this is no longer the suspenseful mystery that it once was, and I had to constantly remind myself that it's not Bram Stoker's fault that his book was so influential on the mythos of vampires. He was truly suffering from success. Postman's issues with television have a similar flavor to Bram Stoker's vague descriptions of the signs of a vampire. I've heard it all before, so I'm kind of waiting for there to be something else to it. There shouldn't have to be more to it though, and at the time that it came out, it was more than most people could bear anyway (if the Introduction by Andrew Postman is to be believed [and it probably should, familial biases be damned]). Reading the second half of the book with the idea that these are the seeds of what modern discussions about television and even some newer mediums have become, I definitely found a greater appreciation for what was being said. Now I guess I'll talk about the book or whatever. The Age of Show Business was funny. I didn't want to laugh, but I did. I mean come on, "It is to be doubted that Paul Newman could have done better in the role [of the logical scientist], although Leonard Nimoy might have." (pg. 90) Witty and driving the point home? It's efficiency is admirable. And then he hits me with, "The advertisement does not say who will star as God but, given the producer's background, there is some concern that it might be John Travolta." (pg. 96) Good stuff, and in the middle of so much concern. It really does well to cut through the doom and gloom consistently enough to keep me grounded but not so much that it overtakes the point. A part of me wants to point out that this is dangerously close to using entertainment as a hook to keep me reading, but I'm locking that defensive little fella away for at least the next couple of posts until he can learn to be more constructive. Instead, I'll be optimistic and say it's a good sign that while he constantly argues for logic above all, he has a clear and innate understanding of the usefulness of the emotional side to an audience. And Now... This. I like thinking of it as a conjunction. That one explanation of his biggest grievance single-handedly re contextualized a lot of things I had been confused about in previous chapters. I think it was a very succinct way of explaining what makes it such a devious phrase. Very good chapter and probably a huge source of my realization of how hard I had been on the first half of the book. Some sections I enjoyed in particular: - "What character is the co-anchor playing?" (pg. 101) Interesting to think about how much harder it is to separate fiction and non-fiction on television. The sets and makeup and lighting do make the whole comparison to theater pretty apt. - "In the ancient world, there was a tradition of banishing or killing the bearer of bad tidings. Does the television news show restore, in a curious form, this tradition? Do we banish those who tell us the news when we do not care for the face of the teller?" (pg. 101) The idea that anchors need to look nice so we'll think better of them when they tell us bad news is definitely a new angle I hadn't even considered. I love the twist on the old don't shoot the messenger idea, but I hate the implications. (Should probably be the tagline for the whole book honestly, Great ideas, hate the implications). - "I suspect, for example, that the dishonor that now shrouds Richard Nixon results not from the fact that he lied but that on television he looked like a liar." (pg. 102) Yeah, it sure would be a shame if a former American president managed to just say whatever he wants because to the people who support him he, "has always seemed like he tells it how it is." With all that out of the way, let's Shuffle Off to Bethlehem. (I'm not seeing enough love for these titles, they really do a good job of setting each section up really nicely, and they make segues so much easier.) Postman is not having this shit. "This makes [Reverend Terry's] followers extremely happy and confirms their predisposition to believe that prosperity is the true aim of religion. Perhaps God disagrees." (pg. 114) Nice to see a glimpse of a pro in a sea of cons as well, "For television - bless its heart - is not congenial to messages of naked hate." (pg. 116) I am hesitant to fully buy into the idea that television works fully against introspection or transcendence. When I was younger, my mom would watch daily Mass on the television in the morning as her way of starting the day. It was just a televised recording of a Mass, and it did not edit out any of the typical silences for prayer or really any of the more drawn out segments full of walking and gesticulation that to an unfamiliar onlooker might have been cut down for time. I definitely agree that the option to get up and walk away or change the channel can be harmful to those moments, but in my experience, the kind of people who, when presented with a moment of silence, run from it are just as likely not to use that time for its spiritual purpose in person. Reach Out and Elect Someone to ask me to stop typing. Please, how can I still be going, does anyone actually have the time to read this? I barely find the time to write it. Calling out the second half of the phrase Political Advertisements as a truly horrid way of doing the first half of the phrase makes me sad to live in a world where it's rampant. Didn't even get an option, I've never known any other way of learning the names of each contender and about how much they love committing crimes against humanity, so please vote for me instead, et cetera, et cetera. "An American who has reached the age of forty will have seen well over one million television commercials in his or her lifetime," (pg. 126) That's depressing. I'm hopeful that in the Age of Ad Blocker, we can bring this statistic down significantly, but considering the thin line between "content" and "ad" that social media has created, I'm not sure we'll even have a way to tell. Another big moment for me, "[Orwell] feared the politician as deceiver, not as entertainer." (pg. 129) I think with the maturation of television this quote leads to a new conclusion. The politician is now a deceiver THROUGH entertainment. Give people those one-liners and sound bites they crave and no one will care about your policies. You won the debate, clearly ALL your ideas are superior. "The commercial asks us to believe that all problems are solvable, that they are solvable fast, and that they are solvable fast through the interventions of technology, techniques and chemistry" (pg. 131) Taking a blind shot at us decades later for making the exact same claims about how tech can do anything eventually. Maybe we learned that mindset from commercials? Anyone else want to move on to the next chapter now? How much longer can I go? Will I ever actually stop typing and post this? Stay tuned for the thrilling conclusion. For the sake of time and because my thoughts have been summarized better by others, I'm going to make my thoughts on Teaching as An Amusing Activity short. (I didn't even bother to make it into a segue, how boring). Yeah, just watching TV shouldn't replace an active, participatory teaching environment. Maybe I just watched Sesame Street wrong, but I normally had people in the room with me that I'd ask questions as a kid, so the whole "you can't talk to your TV" argument didn't feel strong to me. If you're in a stark room with just a singular TV, it probably doesn't do a good job, but I think it does fine setting up ideas that will be taught traditionally later anyway. And finally we are given The Huxleyan Warning. It's a nice bow on everything, and I think it still has a few things left to say. I particularly like that he took Animal Farm and 1984 as one whole that says "...that it makes little difference if our wardens are inspired by right- or left-wing ideologies." (pg. 155) These problems are non-partisan, and it does good to remind people, even at the end, that we can't get so caught up in finger pointing that we forget the issue at hand. It broke my heart a little when Postman talks about being pressured to advertise the book. "It is an irony that I have confronted many times in being told that I must appear on television to promote a book that warns people against television." (pg. 159) I think this is the smartest way to insert an argument against a medium into the medium itself. Postman's argument remained in the typographic medium no matter how much he might have gone on television to discuss it. The argument itself stays removed from the medium that he critiques, so he can focus on spreading to the one place where he can guarantee the people need it. On the medium. It's not perfect, but it beats making a Twitter post about how dumb Twitter has been getting lately which seems to be the current mode of revolution against medium. Also, when he talks about how nonsensical it is to make a television program to talk about how to watch television and educate people on how it harms them, I just wrote "Black Mirror?" Maybe it's not quite the parody he expected, but it feels like he called it all the same. Or more he called it nonsensical, but since I don't watch it, I won't say whether that's foresight or not. TL;DR - Book good, glad I read. Thanks for staying tuned, or how dare you skip to the end without reading every painstaking letter of this! This book has given me a lot to reflect on, and it ended on a far more hopeful note than I was expecting which definitely improved my mood and opinion. I've seen people saying that with how insightful the whole book is, Postman shouldn't be expected to have a full answer for us, and I think that's fair. He provides plenty of good places to start, and he made an excellent framework of questions to pose for any future medium. I can definitely say we are not worse off as a society for having this work hanging around, and we're probably better off for it (don't quote me on that). I'll leave my favorite quote here since this is the only paragraph people with things to do will have the time to read anyway. "But our reach for solutions ought to exceed our present grasp, or what's our dreaming for?" (pg. 163) :D

margaret (formerly Samson)

In reading this, I felt myself constantly swinging on a pendulum between “stop fearmongering based on your preference of Print” and “but damn, things do be dire tho”. That was the in the moment experience. With more thought, I am interested in whether that is actually what I was flipping between, or whether that was just my initial running theory. As I noted for part 1, I don’t feel nearly as convinced by his aversion to A/V as I’m sure he’d like me to be. It feels like Wordism, prejudice against anything besides Print. I get more of the vibe that he is seeing flaws come out in our *use* of A/V, which would similarly come out in Print if he shifted his critical eye to his own favorite (or if not, would perhaps take another form). Certain mediums are going to nudge us more or less strongly in different directions, but I don’t yet feel convinced enough to be with him that the one is better than the other. So his Prejudice against A/V is frustrating to me, because it distracts and gets tangled among the other concerns and criticisms, which are so valid and prescient that it feels like a gut punch every time. He built his argument on that prejudice, so now every time he leans on it, the floor creaks and snaps, and I wonder if we're going to stay standing or if we're going to fall down. But his argument is somehow also robust enough to stay standing even though it was built on uneven ground. My compliments to the framing carpenters. He's identified a serious problem, And he's misdiagnosed it, but not egregiously. He’s not pointing at the 5G towers and claiming they cause Covid. He's aiming his gun in the general direction of a very real threat, and he's not really hitting it, he's about 30 feet to the left, and I wish he would have hit the actual threat more than on accident, but at least he got somewhat close. And I suppose now we can take his cairn made of bullet shells and try to move forward. So yeah, why does it feel like something’s here? The evil he sees in A/V seems to be more a symptom of the pace of our technological advancements and the usage norms that have evolved in response. We were already going this way even before the screen, and in part 1 he grazes that topic and it's like he’s So Close but then his prejudice against A/V sends him back into his rut. It is our usage and speed that matters more - and that was going to be here regardless of whether it was video, audio, or print that we were receiving. Imagine if we had to move at the pace of even our current (establishment) book publishing process to get anything out to an audience no matter what the format. Imagine if it was always routed through that much procedure and review. In that world, if you’re going to do something, you may as well do it right the first time around. [[Hell, even now, I know I get 1, maybe 2 top-level comments on this book club post before i am committing some unspoken social faux-pas, cluttering the section with too much Discharge and not taking enough care to contribute something useful. We just don’t value speed, and even if we tried, the Patreon is too cumbersome to allow us to go much faster. This is an informal thing that Book Club just seems have fallen into, and I’m just kind of matching the energy that I observed at first, so maybe I’m just hyper-vigilant and paranoid, idk. But also maybe I'm not. In this space, in this culture, and in this format, we have self-policed to get basically one shot (and then engage with each other as much as we please), and it's resulted in me having a google doc of this exact comment open on my work computer for 8 straight days since I transcribed my annotations after finally finishing the book, and coming back to it often, and thinking about it while Jo tries to get me to dance to Baa Baa Black Sheep for the 17th time in 10 minutes. I can’t imagine I’m the only one doing this - the vibe of this group has me seeking to produce something of as high quality as I reasonably can. If I had to record a podcast episode about this, or present it on a zoom call, or make a video about it, and I knew this was my declarative Statement on the matter–and to the general public–you’d probably be waiting a lot longer. CJ, I don’t know how you’re doing this with Peterson. Fuck.]] But anyway, pacing as the possible issue. I mean it’s obvious to anyone who has experienced the internet. There’s so much content out there. It's happening so fast, and so small a proportion of it is done with deep consideration for value. The whole concept of Tiktok Sludge, of the commentary cycle (“please ensure that you get your bag at this time”), the memes, the ad-based society. Clickbait. There is too much to keep up with, our inboxes are filling up way faster than we can process the incoming deluge, to the point where our societal bar for “processing a thing” has drifted lower and lower, to “watched the whole tiktok about the thing”. As a species, we now at least feel like we’re moving too fast to be able to keep up with each other. There are (very rough numbers) 8 billion of us, and at least 4 billion of us are probably adults doing Things in the world, and 5.3 billion of us are on the internet either writing, speaking, drawing, or otherwise with each other. Multiply all those with each other for all the possible ways that we might encounter each other at any given moment-- It might be a big number. (this has been Crap Math with Samson.) There’s too much, and too high a proportion is corrosive and hazardous, and too much is just unnecessary clutter. We (the world) might indeed have exponentially more of the useful content than we would have had before widespread communications and media… but we (the world) also have even exponentially more of the junk that buries it. The good stuff *is* good, but the wading through the clutter to get to it is not, and we haven't figured out how to navigate it yet. We're a hoarder, and our house is full of clothes from the 80s, old newspapers, and rodents, and there might be something in there, but it's hard to navigate well enough to do it. We (society) have no idea how to collectively filter out the noise and clutter from the Actual Useful Meaty Stuff. We might be, as CJ put it in one of their videos, “Heat Seeking Missiles for Value”, but when the heat is dissipated so thoroughly amidst an ocean of clutter, the missiles do start to malfunction. And lets be kind to ourselves for a second OF COURSE we don’t know what we’re doing. We’re so new to this, we hadn’t even figured out how to tamp down the overwhelm that was bubbling up with just Print, and now we find ourselves with something so evolutionarily tantalizing as social media and we just can’t help ourselves. We don’t know how to declutter our online experience, but toddlers don’t know how to declutter their real life experience. I think the flip flopping that I feel is not about whether or not the shift to light-speed A/V is a good or bad one (i think it’s morally neutral). I think I’m flip flopping about my confidence that humanity is capable of weathering the shift in a reasonably timely manner. Until we grow up and get our shit together here, people will suffer and die, and I think that’s what has me so uneasy. We use the term Addiction to describe how the social internet fits into our world, and I think there's something useful and resonant in that term. But I'm wondering if our society needs to take counsel from the way we help rehabilitate hoarders as well. But ok yes. General Annotations: p. 86 “the best photography in the world is presently seen on television commercials” Ugh, fucking barf. p. 87 “we are urged by the newscasters to “join them tomorrow”. What for? … We accept the newscasters’ invitation because we know that the “news” is not to be taken seriously, that it is all in fun, so to say.” Idk, I think there’s maybe more to it than that. I think there’s an element of “but the next thing might actually be needful to know.” Still tantalizing, still not really valuable, but I wouldn’t call that “fun”. (See also, hoarding.) -- I saw a tiktok about some guy and his mom’s flight on United, and how it was absolutely awful, and how United was doing basically jack shit about it. It was a very compelling tiktok – I don’t normally care about airline drama—but it was also weirdly well produced. The music, the cuts, everything, was so fucking well done, and the comments section agreed. “you kill the edits on this”, “you should make a documentary”, “this is a documentary”. It was so weird to see – it was only 3 minutes, but it was so well crafted. And it came to mind where Postman writes “they are televising the news to be seen. They must follow where their medium leads. There is no conspiracy here, no lack of intelligence, only a straightforward recognition that “good television” has little to do with what is “good” about exposition or other forms of verbal communication, but everything to do with what the pictorial images look like.” I feel like that’s not totally true. The images were fine on the tiktok, it was more of a mixed media slideshow than anything, but the overall presentation was concise, researched, and rhetorically impactful. It got more than 3 million likes, and idk how many views. Shitty things definitely do go viral, for sure. But non-shitty things also go viral. We like avocados, we like cheese, we like that one seagull that rears its head up to scream. Idk, I just don’t think it’s reasonable to suggest that the definition of “good television” or “good A/V” or “Good Content” is limited to just “goes viral”. There’s another level of good that can be achieved by content, regardless of how viral it goes, that speaks to the value of that content. That weird documentary tiktok displayed value, if nothing else, in its production. But at the same time, through the lens of hoarding, “it has potential” doesn’t necessarily mean it has a right to take up space in our home. p. 90 “thinking does not play well on television” ouch. (wait a couple of pages for that to digest) Hey wait a minute, does “thinking” play well in print either? What is “thinking”? is that reasoned out reflection? Research into other areas? Straight up processing internally, with no expression? That wouldn’t play well in a book. Fuck your wordism, Postman. p. 92 “Sustained, complex talk does not play well on television. It can be made to play tolerably well if only one camera is used and the visual image is kept constant… but this is not television at its best” what’s a video essay then, fuck you! “and it is not television that most people will choose to watch” Oh. Fuck /me/ then. Ouch. But also, how do you define “talk”? Is it just words and reasoning? Can it not be more broad? “it is in the nature of the medium that it must suppress the content of ideas in order to accommodate the requirements of visual interest; that is to say, to accommodate the values of show business.” Ugh, ok postman, again with the wordism. The visual interest can also support the ideas, not the other way around. Have a little imagination! p. 93 (where they’re talking about the televangelist) “you don’t have to be boring in order to be holy” So I kind of do agree with this one. I guess there was a study done about how pleasure and enjoyment are actually a big part of how we digest food. I can’t find it anymore, maybe it’s not true, idk. The study allegedly found that we intake a lot more nutrients when we enjoy the process of eating our meals. Perhaps the same is for information – we need to enjoy it, we need to be happy when we receive it, at least a little, so that we can get the most of it. We can’t expect ourselves to eat a human version of Dog Kibble and be well. Why would we expect ourselves to just receive Information Kibble and be well with that? Is nothing too wonderful for God? p. 102 “The credibility of the teller is the ultimate test of the truth of a proposition. [Credibility] refers only to the impression of sincerity, authenticity, vulnerability, or attractiveness (choose one or more) conveyed by the actor/reporter.” Postman is referring to human faces here, but I’d argue this goes beyond just the human face (especially anymore) and now applies to Production Value. But does it stand to reason (ugh) that this is not a valuable test? Isn’t that a valuable human element to communication? It shouldn’t be the only thing, but like… it’s not reasonable to suggest that the human element is worthless just because it’s also sort of subjective and mystical. There’s a sort of expectation that Truth is like Video Camera Footage, and that there is an identifiable and Objective Truth out there, but is that actually the case? There’s a Grey’s Anatomy episode somewhere in the catalogue, where one of the surgeons did a very risky C-Section-in-a-hallway (because of course), and the surgeon keeps saying “I didn’t have a choice, we were stuck with no way out of there and she was dying” (because of course they were and she was). At one point there is diegetic video camera footage where you see the surgeon and the patient in the hallway, and the elevator opens, and the surgeon turns his head to the elevator, and then he does the risky thing anyway. Surgeon Man says “I didn’t see the open elevator”. But he did. But he didn’t. But he did? And he didn’t?? idk. And so there’s all this kerfuffle about “what do we mean by ‘see the open elevator’” and it winds up being a little bit philosophical. The video camera footage, in that situation, indicates that the surgeon was lying – he did actually see, with his eyes, that the elevator was there. But the show makes clear that the surgeon, as well as many of the people grilling him, understood that in such a stressful situation, it’s possible that his eyes rested on open doors, but his brain did not register them, or his brain wasn’t capable of receiving that and processing it in the midst of the emergency. Is that not valid? It’s a grey’s anatomy episode, but I mean, what do we want? There’s also that Black Mirror episode where the person is remembering a green raincoat, and the memory tech reminds them that the guy had actually been wearing yellow, and the raincoat color changes in the visual of the memory. Is that valid? I don’t totally know that it is, but I also don’t think it’s safe to say that it’s not. Recommended reading: Episode 3 of sisyphus55’s podcast: Starting around 47:21, and very roughly transcribed (and missing a bunch of bits) : “maybe authenticity is another sort of emotional thing that we need to have satisfied.” “Yeah, I think it’s particularly telling that when Sartre refers to Authenticity, he calls it kind of Bad Faith. He doesn’t call it breaking a rational principle, he calls it bad faith. And I think that’s particularly telling that maybe it’s an emotional thing.” “Maybe that expectation may be set through reason, but in order to meet the goal, there has to be an emotional appeal. “ “Maybe reason is supposed to be cold and calculating, but emotion comes with the warmth. The whole project of being human is to be first and foremost an emotional creature. And this is why even the term “Meaning” itself can’t be fulfilled (like you said) by some sort of checkbox, or these criteria that you need to check off. Its described by these sort of words like Fulfillment, flourishing, satisfaction. These are all emotional things.” (CJ you wrote something similar back in the Braiding Sweetgrass threads.) But then flip flopping, Postman, on page 104, then criticizes the flat affect / neutral tone of newscasters who present the terrible things of the day. He suggests that they’re kind of inhuman, and yeah, fair enough. But isn’t that just journalists doing what they’re supposed to do, in order to seem objective? Do we want all our news to be read by John Oliver and Tucker Carlson? You’re going to have these problems regardless of the medium though. You can see it in print or in video. You can have issues of objectivity, bias, tone, manipulation, etc no matter which medium you pick. It seems Postman is arguing that A/V is more prone to the negative side of this, and he may be right, but I’m not sure that the response we need to have is any different – we still need to think critically about the information we receive. p. 105 “In watching television news, [youthful viewers], more than any other segment of the audience, are drawn into an epistemology based on the assumption that all reports of cruelty and death are greatly exaggerated and, in any case, not to be taken seriously or responded to sanely.” Ok yeah kinda. We’re kind of desensitized to it anymore. I heard about the guy in a Very Active Shootout with police 4 blocks from where my husband was working, and after establishing that he was totally safe, I just kind of felt a little… entertained. Nosy for details with which I can do nothing. What else is there to do? It’s not that it's not to be taken seriously, it’s just that even if I do, what good is it? I’m powerless. p. 119 (where Postman is describing how we sanctify spaces for worship, and contrasting that to where you might view religious television) Recently spent a year hunkered down in a Nondenominational Christian church, which was fine, but also wasn’t. Jake and I spent a lot of time looking at each other and feeling like we were being herded into having a spiritual experience, by the (overly sappy and “thoughtful” music, the calls to “hear what the holy spirit is telling you right now”, even the way that music was used at certain strategic times to induce an emotional response. You guys all know the tools, I’m sure.) I hated it, but didn’t really have the emotional energy to do anything about it (besides sending a 6 page letter to the pastor when I disagreed with his sermon about how the church should do social justice). Eventually the church plant we’d been taking a break from reached out to ask me to play the cajon for their Christmas service, and I was like “sure fine”. New Pastor Ethan runs the church in a very reserved, and IMO casual, way. It’s still an Anglican church, and there is still music, and he wears the priest collar and (at least in winter) the whole white robe priest getup. He takes time to remind us that this is meant to be a thoughtful time, with a purpose and a reason for our being there. And then in off hours he wears the Youth Pastor Skinny Jeans because he got stuck in a fashion habit 10 years ago and can't bring himself to leave his comfortable favorites. But he doesn’t push for us to have emotional or spiritual experiences. He won’t reject them if they come, and he prefers if we have multiple musicians (rather than just one guitarist) to lead the songs, and I genuinely believe him when he says it’s just because the music sounds better when it’s full. It seems like he has an aesthetic preference, not an agenda preference, and I think that makes the difference - he’s looking for utility, not manipulation. Postman, speaking of the sacred vs profane and how Television can change which environment we feel like we are in, reminded me greatly of these two church experiences. I would take a church focused around BibleProject’s videos, or a church focused on watching videos of Tim Keller’s sermons *any day* over the experience of feeling manipulated by the “sacredness” of my surroundings in the Nondenom church. But I do see Postman’s argument – the Anglican service, while it’s less emotionally moving than either BibleProject or the Nondenom church, feels more Real, more Truthful, closer to that transcendent spirituality that we’re trying to come closer to when we go to church in the first place. I don’t think spiritual experiences are /un/able to happen via a screen. But I do think there’s something to what Postman is describing, and I do understand his lament there. “The television screen wants you to remember that its imagery is always available for your amusement and pleasure”. (That said, I’d argue that the bigger plague on our experience of the Sacred in our times is the nondenom churches and their heavy handed manipulation, rather than the televangelists. But I could be in my own little bias bubble with that one lol) P. 121 “No great religious leader … offered people what they want. Only what they need. But television is not well suited to offering people what they need.” “Christianity is a demanding and serious religion. When it is delivered as easy and amjusing, it is another kind of religion altogether. “ p.124 “the danger is not that religion has become the content of television shows but that television shows may become the content of religion.” I feel less afraid of this – with A/V all over the place, it kind of takes away the appeal of religion-flavored A/V. You hit a certain point where it kind of has to be Good Content to get people to stick around. Religious services try to pull in A/V where they can, but with our A/V needs so thoroughly over-met in all these other areas of our lives, I feel like it almost highlights just how terrible religious media can be when it tries to do what normal media does. I’d submit that it’s good that Christian Content isn’t as entertaining as regular content, as that helps us avoid this danger in the first place. Maybe this is my own personal feeling, idk. I can’t stand most worship music, and even Christian songs in general just have this extra air of Ick that I can’t get over. Maybe I haven’t found the right stuff, maybe I’m too tasteless to be able to tell what I’m listening to, fair enough – I’m willing to carry some responsibility for that. But it also just tends to have that Hallmark Christmas Movie quality of false emotion and brittle foundation. Bibleproject is one of those very few outliers in my experience– but I would argue it’s because they are taking such great care to have the foundation of their work be very high spiritual quality, and then to make good art on that foundation of deep spiritual quality. They don’t seek to be entertaining necessarily, but they do seek to keep your attention and use the A/V medium to the fullest extent they can to most effectively communicate. I don’t mean to indicate that they’re perfect, but I do feel like they hold a very high standard, and I feel the world is better because they have done their work. Also, I do think that religion does face the problem he lays out next with politics – that television doesn’t necessarily push you towards Excellence, but rather towards the appearance of excellence. p. 126 “the television commercial has mounted the most serious assault on capitalist ideology since the publication of Das Kapital. … Cartels and monopolies, for example, undermine the theory. But television commercials make hash of it.” Comerade postman??? I think I’m so used to the sort of Boomer dialect that Postman has employed thus far being associated with anti-youth, anti-progress, neoliberal capitalist, conservative BS that I was so shocked at realizing that he wasn’t a die hard capitalist, and instead was willing to even critique it. Maybe this is just because the overton window has shifted. But FUCK does this next bit feel so accurate. p. 136 “But television is a speed-of-light medium, a present centered medium. Its grammar, to so say, permits no access to the past. Everything presented in moving pictures is experienced as happening “now,” which is why we must be told in language that a videotape we are seeing was made months before.” I remember in like march / April of 2020, when there would be videos with like 15-30 seconds notices that hey, this was filmed prior to the lockdowns just fyi. But also, the same critique applies to kind of any medium that hits our brains – we are Now Creatures – we are kind of always going to need a reminder that the thing we are hearing Now was not necessarily only Now, and might have actually been Then. Maybe that was different prior to telegraph / radio / tv though? p. 139 “[The writers of the Constitution] were quite well positioned to share their political ideas with each other in forms and contexts over which they had competent control. Therefore, their greatest worry was the possibility of government tyranny.” Something about this feels parallel to the whole “the founding fathers had no idea what Guns were going to be like 200 years later, why would we take their advice about gun ownership?” thing. p. 140 Gerbner quote – “Liberation cannot be accomplished by turning television off. Television is for most people the most attractive thing going any time of the day or night. We live in a world in which the vast majority will not turn off. If we don’t get the message from the tube, we get it through other people.” Hank Green (another parasocial mentor of mine, apparently) sometimes speaks on the question of “what to do with the internet” and “whether to participate” and all that. It seems like he sort of boils down to a thought of “well, it’s here, and it’s not going away, so we may as well lean in and participate and try to make it better by our presence.” I’m paraphrasing here, mostly because I don’t remember when he said it and I don’t want to take the time to go cite. Last year, I also read the book “Breaking the Social Media Prism” by Christopher Bail. It’s a fairly unsurprising book, I don’t remember being super floored by any of his points, but the main takeaway he wanted us to have was “there are not enough normal, reasonable people on there. Only the most extreme takes are being presented, by the most extreme speakers. The normal people have to start taking up space on there if we want to try to make it better.” I’m curious what anyone here might think about this and about the different ways that might look. Valid? Naïve? Impossible given our mediums? Our only response besides inaction? p. 142 “Sesame Street relieved [parents] of the responsibility of teaching their pre-school children how to read—no small matter in a culture where children are apt to be considered a nuisance.” I get defensive of the parents he’s speaking of here, even though I agree with him. This strikes a nerve. The US is 100% hostile to children. You ever see how people speak to kids, or about them (when other kids are present), or how our physical environments are set up in a way that disables them from participating? I’ve seen the Hot Take that children are an oppressed class. And I can’t totally say that I agree with it (that’s a bit emotionally charged of them to say, imo) but I mean… look at what we do to them. Watch how the children, especially the very young children, in your lives are treated. Or watch how they are systematically excluded from society, if you don’t see them often. Watch how parents are told to bear 100% responsibility for their own children, but given no support or aid in doing so. Look at how we fund childcare, how we fund parental leave. I have a neighbor who is in her 70s, and she is the caretaker for her grandchildren when they aren’t in school. Last summer, the 4 year old was in potty training. The 4 year old has some speech delays, and I suspect she’s a bit traumatized – every time I’ve interacted with her she’s called me “mom”, even when her own mom is across the yard – and yet grandma and grandpa, and even mom often, would verbally abuse her for not using the potty correctly. They shouted insults and anger at her, and made her sit outside on the steps, where she would cry. She sounded just like Jo, and it broke my heart – and yet what could I do? I am on an acquaintance level of social tie with that family, they don’t know me. If I say anything, I’m just the holier-than-thou neighbor judging them from over the fence. If there was some sort of TV program that they could turn on and receive quality input about the problem they were facing, I would have recommended it in a heartbeat. Sure, there are books out there, and websites, and youtube videos, and tiktok channels, and I think all of those are good things, but fuck man. A TV show would not hurt in that situation, and would arguably have helped more than anything. If our society is going to be so aggressively hostile to our children and their caregivers, we have absolutely no right to judge them for the choice to use whatever scraps of support we happen to throw their way. I mean, clearly I’m triggered by this. But Ugh. Sesame street is not the problem – if we had viable and well-supported alternatives, sesame street wouldn’t be necessary, and wouldn’t be able to compete. p. 148/9 “Teachers, from primary grades through college, are increasing the visual stimulation of their lessons; are reducing the amount of exposition their students must cope with; are relying less on reading and writing assignments; and are reluctantly concluding that the principal means by which student interest may be engaged is entertainment.” Ok, yes, a change is happening. I am not an education scientist, and I am not even close to qualified to speak on whether or not this is a good or bad thing. But are you, Postman? Are you an education scientist? Was that old philosopher who was mad about students not using chalk tablets an education scientist? Who is to say that the form and the mixing of media is a bad thing? There are so many things wrong with how we school children, but I don’t think a departure from the Orthodoxy of the Written Word is really that big of a problem. To me, this sounds like exposing kids to things that they’re going to encounter throughout their lives anyway, and using those things to a possibly productive end in the classroom. Additionally, who is to say that we are not changing in response to learning better methods of meeting kids where they are, and helping students learn in a way that human brains are more apt to do? Regardless of what medium is being used, it is more important to have the education experience be actually meaningful for our young people. I would much rather we respect their needs and preferences as much as possible while pursuing our goal of raising World Literate Community Members. Get your ideology out of here, Postman. I can’t prove shit here, but neither can you. Also. When Jo was a week old and we were dying of sleep deprivation and anxiety, we found one of those Instagram ladies who has an expensive virtual class about how to get your baby to sleep. And we paid the expensive price and we watched the 6 session course and you know what? Our baby has slept better than any other baby that I know. Fuck yall, I’m the best parent, I win the parent Olympics, everyone bow down. ((I actually feel more survivor guilt about this than anything)) Most of what we learned in that class was information available to us in other parts of the web, or in books, or even in some Instagram posts – there’s a ton of free info out there. But 1) I didn’t have the time or the mental capacity to distill that information from all those written sources, and there was no way in hell that I would have done it even if I did have the time and 2) the medium of a video to demonstrate a technique and to talk through the mental algorithm that we might use to approach baby sleep was SO much more efficient than reading ever would have been. It would have taken so much time and energy and second thinking to figure out all of the information that was nicely distilled into 2 overview sessions and 4 “getting into the weeds and troubleshooting” sessions. So Postman – maybe The Voyage of the Mimi was the pinnacle of educational video in 1985, but Taking Cara Babies has you beat now. (But don’t buy her course anymore – we later found out she donated to trump, and Babysleep.answers has a less cheugy approach anyway 😉 ) p. 153 “questions should have arisen, even in the minds of officials at the Department of Education, about who will teach our students how to look at television, and when not to, and with what critical equipment when they do.” Regardless of the medium, I am in full agreement here. Yes Yes YES. p. 154 “what will the students have learned? … Mainly, they will have learned that learning is a form of entertainment, or more precisely, that anything worth learning can take the form of an entertainment, and ought to. … and thus will be prepared to receive their politics, their religion, their news, and their commerce in the same delightful way.” … ok fine. But also no? idk. p. 157 “To be unaware that a technology comes equipped with a program for social change, to maintain that technology is neutral, to make the assumption that technology is always a friend to culture is, at this late hour, stupidity plain and simple.” I can’t tell if my defense of A/V is falling into this trap or not. I think that’s the self doubt I’m feeling – I don’t have an objective answer here, and I want one. I can’t tell if he’s actually right that A/V is equipped with too much power on the negative side, or if he’s just being a typical human afraid of the unknown. And because I can’t tell that, I’m nervous to write him off entirely, but I also do somewhat feel like I should write him off at least a little. p. 159 “I am particularly fond of John Lindsey’s suggestion that political commercials be banned from television as we now ban cigarette and liquor commercials.” --fuck god yes omg anything to reduce ads, and also to make the election cycles less terrible p. 161 “this is a case in which the asking of the questions is sufficient. To ask is to break the spell.” God I hope so? I loved that list of questions, and even thinking of how to answer them was kind of fun haha p. 161 “the nonsensical answer is to create television programs whose intent would be, not to get people to stop watching television but to demonstrate how television ought to be viewed, to show how television recreates and degrades our conception of news, political debate, religious thought, etc. … Television would have the last laugh. In order to command an audience large enough to make a difference, one would have to make the programs vastly amusing, in the television style. Thus, the act of criticism would, in the end, be co-opted by television.” --This is the train of thought running in Bo Burnham’s brain as he watches Inside in the very last shot of Inside, isn’t it? p. 162 “the desperate answer is to rely on the only mass medium of communication that, in theory, is capable of addressing the problem: our schools.” “it is true enough that much of their consciousness centers on the question, how can we use television to control education? They have not yet got to the question, How can we use education to control television? But our reach for solutions ought to exceed our present grasp, or else what’s our dreaming for? Besides, it is an acknowledged task of the schools to assist the young in learning how to interpret the symbols of their culture.” p. 163 “What I suggest here as a solution is what Aldous Huxley suggested, as well. And I can do no better than he. He believed with H. G. Wells that we are in a race between education and disaster, and he wrote continuously about the necessity of our understanding the politics and epistemology of media. For in the end, he was trying to tell us that what afflicted the people in Brave New World was not that they were laughing instead of thinking, but that they did not know what they were laughing about and why they had stopped thinking.” I don’t know how to be satisfied with this. There is an extent to which our systems do need to change. It’s not just that we need to learn media literacy in schools (although yes sure, lets do that too.) We need to adjust the placement, architecture, and procedures, and nudge ourselves naturally into more beneficial habits. If you’re thinking of how to keep clutter out of your house, there are a bunch of things you might do - you might watch your drop zones, see if the trash cans are in the right spot, get a little holster for your scrubby brush so it doesn’t just hang out all wet in the bottom of the sink, get 60 restaurant kitchen towels so you always have a clean and dry cloth when cooking, accommodate your body while doing tasks, color code things. There are so many tips out there, I really should stop listing. We (humanity) can apply some of these ideas, not directly but in spirit, to how we have set up the architecture of the internet - the same way that we can learn from what we know about Addiction. I think there are multiple approaches that we might use here, and I really do hope that we try all of them. Though again, my anxiety here is not in whether or not we are doomed, but rather in how long (and how much suffering) before we figure our shit out.

Natthew Lee

Hello everybody! Just some quick thoughts from me about how this book made me think of films. Wish I could write more but I’m in a court battle with my shitty landlord so free time is in short supply rn 😭 Still reading everyone else’s posts and so delighted by everyone’s thoughts and POV The idea that news, ads, education, and politics are all being over-entertainmentized is irrefutable. In reading this book’s chronicling of everything becoming so engaging and attractive and afraid to lose your attention for even a second, I’ve grown to appreciate Slow Cinema more and I want to look into more of it. Wikipedia says Slow Cinema is "a genre of art cinema characterised by a style that is minimalist, observational, and with little or no narrative, and which typically emphasizes long takes. It is sometimes called "contemplative cinema"" I've seen a few films in the genre and reading Postman made me think of it nonstop. Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles came out in 1975, but it feels especially revolutionary in its conception now. Stalker (1979), Wendy and Lucy (2008), and Memoria (2021) are not desperately afraid of losing your attention. They aren’t cloying like ads or TikToks or tv news or shock jock radio. It really feels like an act of resistance to take your time, a small protest against the attention economy. It’s a refreshing cold shower to have a film really, genuinely allow you to sit in a moment. It's like sitting in a town and not having any fucking billboards in front of your eyes. I didn’t expect Mr. Postman to give me a newfound appreciation for Slow Cinema but I think I’m going to finally watch a few movies on my list because I read this book. On the opposite end, I feel like the Now.. This! way of thinking has really rewired our brain chemistry as a culture, and you can see this in the types of popular media we are prepared to engage with. Everything Everywhere All At Once could not have come out in the 70’s it would just give people a headache. But twitter feeds and instagram stories (and their television forefather Now… This!) has acclimated our brains to absorbing barrages of information without context and pivoting every few seconds. EEAAO moves at a breakneck pace and expects you to keep up with crazy tonal whiplash. I think that shows a great perception from The Daniels that they were able to read the zeitgeist like this, and it also shows their great respect for their audience. They expected people to be able to keep up with it, and they could. I feel like this is part of the reason for the rise in multiverse films in general, not just EEAAO (spider-verse especially with how kinetic that film is)? Whiplash is comfortable, we swim in whiplash! I'm not complaining! I really love hyper-kinetic animation and art. It's just interesting HOW MUCH of hyper-kinetic art seems to be what audiences want these days, and how the media they are engaging with outside of movies has primed their brains for that maybe? Also: ❗❗❗ BOOK CLUB RECOMMENDATION ALERT ❗❗❗ Game Studies Study Buddies is a podcast by two game studies professors where they read and discuss a different Game Studies book every month. They recently did an episode on Nguyen’s Games: Agency As Art! I really loved their perspective and thoughts on it! They engaged with it very critically. They come from a Game Studies background and Nguyen comes from a Philosophy background so they think about all of his ideas from a different POV. They go through the book chapter by chapter. Book club people give it a listen! Link here: http://rangedtouch.com/2023/07/31/60-nguyen-games-agency-as-art/ or you can listen to it on whatever podcast app. Kill the internet $10000 bounty xoxo nat

Halley

This book has been challenging to write about. It touches on so many big topics but also feels contradictory in certain ways, like it's too much and not enough. I've been thinking about it so much that I just remembered in my dream last night someone showed me there was a part 3 if I kept scrolling on the pdf (my reading spot is a computer screen) ! I felt a bit relieved realizing that wasn't real, but perhaps this is the part 3 happening here. I'm struck by both how relevant and timeless this book feels at certain points, but also how dated it is in the age of the internet and how things have changed and accelerated so much. -Now vs then, us vs them- I see a major undercurrent of these conversations being about generational differences. Postman grew up in a radically different reality and was raised in a world so technologically different from ours that I think this shapes his writing in a way that isn't necessarily wrong, but just a different perspective from a different lived experience. I've been spending time with some women in their sixties and older from my knitting group and it's so valuable to have friends with that depth of wisdom and experience. Sometimes they share opinions I don't agree with but I understand that they lived such different lives and learned in such different contexts from me that I don't hold it against them, and it doesn't feel like there's much use or purpose in trying to change their minds. In this way I can acknowledge that their perspective *makes sense* as a criteria for forming judgements, even if I believe their conclusions are wrong. It just feels easier to accept them as they are and learn what I can. I think the struggles and strategies we have using the internet etc. differ between generations too, especially in terms of how enmeshed we are with our online personas. I remember at our last knitting meeting they were talking about arguing with idiots in the Facebook comments sections and I was saying, you need to not engage, don't look, don't respond, nothing good can come of it. (with the As told by Kenya video on my mind) one lady looked at me sadly and said, 'I know, I know. But it's so hard.' It's just irresistible to respond when you see someone say something so wrong, so infuriating. On the other end of the spectrum, I feel like my sister (20 years old, 9 years younger than me) has such a different approach to social media- less inhibited to self-express, more immersed and fluent in internet culture, and just an attitude of grim acceptance of it all. I'd be really curious to hear Mia Cole's take on this book. She's the same age as my sister and I really value her perspective as someone of the generation raised by all this tech speaking honestly about it. I grew up playing computer games and watching tv, so I am also biased by the context of my generation. I think a lot of us have an instinctual reaction to retaliate with examples of the good things tv/internet has contributed, if only because they are so entangled in our reality that we've experience it more intimately by proximity and we want to defend what we love and the forces that shaped us. We are the kids who grew up watching sesame street, playhouse disney, nickelodeon, or cartoon network (rip) and we can speak to how it shaped us and gave us good memories, but it's impossible to compare that to who we'd be if we grew up without these tech influences. Our blind spots are generational. -Awe and Artifice- These are two words I've been thinking of a lot while reflecting on this. I think it's also somewhat related to entertainment vs enchantment. Entertainment can be for unwinding, tuning out, turning off, being passively entertained. But art is entertaining too, good art, art that touches something and comes from somewhere real. I think this tension comes from distinguishing art vs artifice, artifice being something that looks and seems like the real thing but there's something not quite right, an ulterior motive or a substitute for what you really want. It can be engaging and you can be engaged but it could also not be. Enchantment is maybe something cultivated whereas entertainment is something performed- designed? I remember certain experiences with a very American form of Christianity that gave me a lot of distaste for it as a child- being made to go to vacation bible school with all its gimmicks, the huge sterile megachurch I had to go to a few times when visiting relatives for holidays, the bible bucks my friend would be rewarded with when she brought me to her youth group, the bad music trying to be cool, the feeling of artifice of it all. Something not quite right but I didn't know what it was at the time. It didn't feel like there was spiritual knowledge there to entice me, it felt like another place trying to woo me with attention-grabbing antics. To trick me into learning or wanting to. On the other hand, I've had some beautiful experiences in churches in Europe even as a non-Christian who couldn't understand the words being spoken. There is a connection to a historical tradition rooted in place that inspires reverence and humility- in other words, awe. I think awe is at the core of this feeling, and you can access it from any spiritual tradition, from nature, from art. in other words, persuading with spectacle vs. inspiring awe with tradition. What is the goal? To get as many as possible in churches and an identity? Or to bring people closer to god, to improve their lives? "not everything is televisable" My sister was just telling me about a ceremony she took part in in Korea, and she couldn't tell anyone about it until 100 days had passed. We were reflecting on closed ceremonies and why this would be historically important to implement, energetically but also as a precaution to safeguard the culture. What people know about things is often presented by those willing to sell out, expose, or exploit- phonies and traitors and colonizers- like the entire field of anthropology, peyote ceremonies, or museums putting things on display where they don't belong, out of context, and presented to those it was not intended for. Related to this quest of all-knowing is an inability to accept mystery and a fear of the unknown. "the needs are the same, the message is the same, but the delivery can change..." I read this line and thought of part of CJ's conversation with his mother around christmas, who was saying that the church needs to adapt to the times by creating space for long-form in-person small group discussions rather than someone preaching a sermon to a quiet audience. This idea stuck with me and seems like it could be an antidote to some of these societal problems of disconnection, of loneliness, of disinformation and intolerance. My husband (who is very religious and lives with chronic pain) says religion is meant for healing. -Education as Entertainment- I think education can be entertaining and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. What I don't like is the idea of deceiving kids into learning- no one wants to feel like they were tricked. It makes education seem undesirable, since it has to resort to those methods. It reminds me of those cookbooks for sneaking vegetables into meals. Like, Broccoli is great actually, but by assuming all kids hate broccoli now it has a stigma it might not have otherwise had. I think some of this has more to do with production companies incentivizing studios and parents to choose their show because it can be billed as educational, rather than a real effort to educate kids. It depends on the intention of creators. I want to bring up school house rock, because I listened to that extensively as a kid and still remember most of the words to the songs. It seems a lot more education-focused using an entertaining format, compared to sesame street being more entertainment-focused using education as content. But to me the point isn't about whether or not education should be entertaining, but about catering to different learning styles. Many people learn better with visual or audio input, and new formats can make information more accessible. I think music is fantastic for this, it's sticky. It's so much easier to memorize a song than a list of words. If you haven't seen the show I'm a Virgo, please put it on your watch list! The portrayal of someone educated just from TV outside of any other social interactions and the awkward interactions that result when he starts to socialize is an interesting aspect of it. -Criteria and Context- A lot of the questions we’re confronting have to do with the question: With what criteria do we decide what is good, true, right, and who to trust? We make judgments based on our own criteria and context. When context is lacking, we may make important decisions based on visual and emotional criteria, which sometimes doesn't align with the outcome we actually want. Postman seems to put images up against reason. I think what we like is important to consider too! When we're exposed to something in a way we like, we can engage with it better, remember better, and be interested and motivated to dive deeper. When I buy a product, I often do decide what to buy based on the packaging. What it indicates and says about itself influences my perception of it. And I don't think this is just me being gullible or superficial- I have to look at it, at the artwork, and feel its shape every time I use it or pass by it. So it contributes to my daily visual intake, the mundane art of my daily existence. The packaging is not just a trick I've fallen for, it is an important element worthy of consideration. I don't know if this is too much of a stretch to reference here, but my husband sent me this video about innovations in the neuroscience behind physical therapy and there were some really fascinating revelations about the connection between the involuntary tensing and release of muscles in the body and experiencing music or dance that one liked or not.* "in a world of fragments where events stand alone...In the context of no context, coherence disappears." this is what's terrifying of being online and potentially going viral with the risk of being seen but seen wrong. You can always be taken out of context. So you try to self-monitor your output such that you won't be, that anything you say is defensible in any context... which is impossible. You start self-censoring to be acceptable to the lowest common denominator of internet person. To avoid getting trolled you troll yourself. -New Media (artistic)- I remember my art school theatre teachers being elitist about theatre vs film/tv, as if theirs were the better and more respectable art form, and feeling a defensive urge to fight against this. I thought about animation (because it's my favorite form of tv) and how the medium takes the limitations of the form as a challenge, communicating complex and powerful concepts through exciting visual imagery. I started watching k-dramas last year and I think it’s really interesting to see an alternate paradigm for creating entertainment outside of the bubble of Hollywood. I guess I just get defensive about art forms that get derided for being less valuable by people who can't see its beauty. I came across a video in the midst of reading this about 'outsider art' that had some really beautiful insights about this topic (check the end for links)** "the problem is not that television presents us with entertaining subject matter, but that all subject matter is presented as entertaining." This is such a big problem when it comes to funding for aid/relief/nonprofits. Funding is given if the problem is entertaining enough, if the poverty porn stimulates people to care. When a conflict goes on for too long it becomes harder to provide assistance, because most people want to be seen donating to the next big crisis looming large in the news of the day. It reminds me of a scrapped reality TV show called 'The Activist' that was supposed to pit activists against each other to compete for money for their causes. -News Media (political) - I feel like he contradicts himself throughout the book but I'm having a hard time putting my finger on how exactly. I felt that in part 1, when he said things about each medium being able to express things differently but then seemed to say the opposite later on. I think the source of my frustration is this: The book works better as a critique of the news media and how information is delivered than as a critique of the medium of TV/film as an art form. He seems to disregard the artistic merits of the medium in looking at is just as a source of information dissemination. The only 'good' tv is mindless entertainment for its sake alone. The thing is, he's so right about the many political/ideological/sociological effects of TV that his disregard for the artistic value of entertainment (and information) is disappointing because it separates art and politics at the expense of art, and diminishes the political nature of art. I don't believe politics or art can be separated from life itself. I'm scared for the effect AI is having on our sense of truth, throwing another aspect of unreliability into the soup of disinformation. I've seen by the posts people have sent me that many are already finding it difficult to know when an image is real or auto-generated, and the effect of this on collective consciousness and politics is a looming danger just starting to trickle in. '[this type of discourse] tends to reveal people in the act of thinking- which is as disconcerting and boring on tv as it is on a las vegas stage.' In response to this I want to nominate the 1980s show 'Thinking Allowed' as a sort of counterexample. (now partly available on YouTube!) Sure, it is limited in its timeframe and the host and interviewees are already quite well versed in the subjects they are to discuss, but it makes for really fascinating dialogue because of the high level of comprehension of the host and the passion and intellect of the authors being interviewed. It feels like watching a time capsule. I'd especially recommend the conversations with Terence Mckenna, Ram Dass, John McCarthy, UG Krishnamurti, and Rollo May.*** [re: something about applause rather than reflection but I can't find the quote] Something I miss but which was also frustrating about art school is the culture of criticism. You can't just enjoy performing or perceiving because everything was subject to constant critiques, but it was intellectually stimulating to scrutinize and dissect art on a high level with others. In fact, the last time I was in a book club was my high school 'reading club' where we'd read a play and discuss it each week. Though at a certain point, it could become exhausting for one's self-confidence and ability to enjoy entertainment for its own sake- turning enjoyment into guilty pleasures. Re: the Iranian hostage crisis: "do Americans know anything about the context of the situation? Everyone had an opinion about this event, for in America everyone is entitled to an opinion.... it is probably more accurate to call them emotions rather than opinions" A frustration I felt when studying international affairs/politics is that it felt like your expertise isn't often valued, because everyone believes their emotional response is as valid as your researched opinion. Political discharge vs. political expression. As a 'democracy' we want to be inclusive but at the risk of including those who don't care enough to research on their own and are easily manipulated. It seems like democracy necessitates giving equal standing to those who have no vested interest in politics and are spoon fed opinions by the media. I felt this when I'd talk to my dad about politics, because he is just as passionate but his opinions about civil rights, migration, race, etc. were mostly regurgitated tv/radio fear-mongering talking points without much behind them. I'd try painstakingly compassionately explaining the missing nuance and the broader questions, like- lets think about not how could this hurt you, but what kind of society do we want to construct and live in? "one can hardly overestimate the damage that such juxtapositions do to our sense of the world as a serious place" I noticed my (middle eastern) husband become frustrated when he was in the US with certain people who seemed to react to stories about his lived reality as if it were just interesting trivia, stories from far away to entertain them, not like... real, consequential things that are actually happening and that the US government is deeply involved in. The US-centric media/entertainment bubble creates this notion of everything outside the US being 'other' and trivial because the only exposure most people get of any other country is on the screen. "The credibility of the teller is the ultimate test of the truth of a proposition." I think this reveals something about 'identity politics'- we trust those we can relate to more easily, and we can better judge their credibility if they share some aspect of identity with us. -Media Overlords (the system) - A major difference between what he writes and now is that entertainment has become so 'democratized'- rather than being run by producers and companies, it is directed by popularity algorithms and metrics, and anyone can become a celebrity or at least be on the same stage with the big names. Micro-celebrities, influencers, they're all so much more accessible and numerous. Diffused power rather than concentrated= more democratic, but at the cost of what humanity? Robots haven't taken our jobs, they've been given the role of management. I also think that, even though the ubiquitous tech that shapes our lives wasn't imposed by a totalitarian government, they are not simply a neutral technology. They were designed by people and corporations, encouraged by the government and its ideology, and have amassed massive power and profits which need to be continuously questioned and challenged. Life has been gamified, and the game is capitalism! -Part 3 (kill the internet) - Postman did a wonderful job of asking the questions right when they started arising and raising awareness of the problem. Of course, this isn't enough but it is a necessary first step. Awareness is first necessary to make addressing the problem possible. I think what is needed now, as he says, is holistic 'media consciousness'; a combination of media literacy and critical thinking skills (education to control media consumption), medium awareness (asking the meta-questions- questioning the structures and formats we live with, as postman and CJ and Haweya do), engaging consciously (adjusting our use of tech in ways that feel meaningful and healthy), and just unplugging and spending more time away from screens (growing strawberries, crafting, reading books, doing nothing etc). - Links! - *Neal Hallinan's video exploring mind-body connections: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf20us8TEvk&list=LL&index=5&t=6s **Cinema Cartography's "art is not for sale": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDLYef6-eu4&list=LL&index=3&pp=gAQBiAQB&ab_channel=TheCinemaCartography ***Thinking allowed: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL68E9483FD1B218E4 and as a bonus, this is my favorite source of real, digestible news, a curated collection of things happening in the Global South delivered weekly: https://whathappenedlastweek.com/

valentin

Thank you for the recommendation!! also good luck on your court battle, destroy that motherfucker (in a videogame)

Halley

I want to jump back here to share a thought I've been sitting with, which is this impulse to recreate after being affected by Good art. I've been thinking about imitation as art, as an avenue of appreciating and engaging with art, of reckoning with the experience. Sharing, recommending, quoting, referencing, imitating, taking inspiration, analyzing, discussing. It seems that what CJ wanted to do with barbie- honor its emotional impact, admire the artistry, celebrate this thing that is Good- didn't feel right in that format of video essay/livestream, where the suggestion of the medium is critique. They said they can’t ‘do this’ for actually Good art. With the right finessing art can be elevated, celebrated in a way that heightens the experience. For example the roundtable channel has done this for me, making me enjoy the cartoons I watch more deeply and intensely, mapping out the lore, building anticipation, and expanding the experience. Book club has also done this, expanding on and deepening the encounter with each book. I'm not just reading a book, I'm also reading the overview, the comments, the comment replies, and formulating my own comment. I'm always surprised by what I end up having to say, which only emerges from the process of writing it all out. And I'm reading along, knowing others are involved and anticipate engaging with it together. It's like the difference between talking to an empty camera or one that's recording. hardly physical but felt through the knowing. haweya's last piece also did this to me, weaving an insightful synthesis of thought connecting recent book club stories to her own experience and expertise. It occurred to me when CJ said book club started as an outlet to talk about ZAMM that many of us are hungry for ways to engage deeply, critically, and personally with art that moves us, in community. I've wondered before if I'd even want certain favorite books of mine to be assigned for book club. Part of me wants to share the knowledge and joy I've gleaned from them as widely as possible, but I also don't want to see it get picked apart. I don't want to spend time defending it either, as it speaks for itself best. I think I'd rather read together something I haven't read yet. I think the heart of this issue I'm seeing may be in the media/form, trying to parse out how these vast tools of connection can be best used in service of Art. Asking, what medium suits this intention best? I think we can fall into a trap of trusting or taking for granted the platforms we use without considering their limitations and how they shape our actions within it, something haweya has written much more about. what I’m really interested in here is forming epistemologies of media formats, to be more conscious participants. What are the questions we're forgetting to ask? It's about honoring form, and reinventing it in service of its potential.