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The smallest screed on something that's been bothering me lately: moral grandstanding! I cannot physically read yet one more take about What Ariana Did Is So Terribly Offensive To Me As A Person Who Hates Cheating, so please...refrain.....I HEARD IT.

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froot encore

2 patreon spaces in 24 hours? it's more likely than you think

Louïe!!

Just finished #1 Omg

Bon

This is exactly how I feel.

Melinda

I completely agree. When I was younger I cheated on someone and it was soooo complicated and such a gray area. I’m not proud of it, but I also no longer shame myself about it because it truly was something I had to do to get my needs met in that moment (well before I sought therapy and realized codependency was a thing lmao).

Taylor L

omg totally agree with your take here! people really care too much about the situation and love to use it to put her down and enjoy her downfall. i think it’s understandable that things can leave a bad taste in your mouth, but we don’t know any of these people and we aren’t perfect either. the right vs wrong moralizing has been realllyyy getting to me lately lmao

Dani

I get the backlash that happened when the story first broke because it felt kind of shocking I guess...but I feel its been dragged out longer than I expected...like people still care THAT much???

Candace Tirado

What did we do to deserve this? ??? This amount of content is seriously like Christmas. And while things Ariana does just aren’t cool, she seems to be someone with her own issues. We know nothing. But people LOVEEEE to pile on a woman. So i couldn’t agree with you more. I think some of the album content is rubbing people the wrong way , but i just think that means Ariana is kind of an asshole lol. But it’s not about Ariana, it’s about the public’s insatiable need to tear down women. The intensity with which female public figures are attacked for silly things unfortunately is nothing new

Gianna

Do I agree with what happened with that whole situation? No. Yet here I am still streaming eternal sunshine. Like yes what happened was not okay and Ariana needs to address this pattern privately with herself but like the public needs to move on I legit don’t care anymore. It’s old at this point.

Syd

LET HER ROCK 👏🏼 Thank you for this food today Zach 💕

Anne

I think for me I just feel gross listening to her right now. 'Break up with your..." was one thing but the continued cheating rumors that seem to follow her around, the fact that she is profiting from the situation, etc etc is just a little much for me. Not that she should be exiled from the industry but I just can't get on board with her new album.

h

Love this little chat!! Thank you for the food. Also may I request a roast of Colleen Ballinger sometime from Zack? I know you mentioned before that you used to be a fan, and I would love to hear your thoughts on the whole Toxic Gossip Train thing and her career arc. I never watched her Miranda videos, but I was fascinated when that whole cancellation happened. She seems like an odd woman, and I would love to hear your read on her. Peace and love from Ireland 💚

hannah

YUP!!!!!!!! the moral grandstanding especially on tiktok about this has been sooooooo weird to see. infidelity can be a non-negotiable in your own relationship but am i supposed to… not consume art by people who screw up in their personal lives sometimes? bc that excludes like. a lot of people!!!! the discourse around xyz being “good” or “bad” (people included) exhausts me. rarely is anything black and white like that. ariana was maybe involved in the dissolution of a marriage but ffs she didn’t kill a man! and if people wanna drag her thru the mud so bad, they should really be dragging ethan right alongside her to be fair.

Elise Fischer

Totally agree. I hate how she’s labeled the home wrecker when HE was the one that actually chose to leave and “wreck” his family. You can’t force someone to leave. Ethan made that choice himself and he’s not getting anything for it. He’s just a meme while Ariana’s the worst person to ever live

Chelsea

Been waiting for this. 👏🏼

Swiftlennial

Loved the little snippet about cancel culture and the cons of it and how a black and white interpretation of life gets humanity no where. I want more discussion on this.

treesap

Maybe it's because the sponge 🧽 isn't that famous but I just don't see anyone coming for the guy who literally did the cheating! Sure, knowingly getting with someone who is married with an infant is not a great thing to do, but ultimately he's the one who had any commitment to uphold that home. Why is Ariana getting all the heat? Why is SHE the home wrecker? Smells like misogyny. Loved this little chat, thanks for sharing! People aren't perfect and that is ok

Ash

The amount of times I just crowed SAY THAT! 🔥 in my car tho. Maybe too serious here, but I think a looooot about how in America we are still Puritanical at our nasty lil roots, and the amount of "moral grandstanding" that occurs here is truly bananas. Not that it doesn't happen everywhere, but I just feel like it reallyyy comes out in the way we talk about celebs and other public figures, particularly around topics like this. I'm often like, "ewwww our purity culture is showing again" 🫣It's embarrassing tbf

caroline

I feel the same way. It’s not moral grandstanding, I just feel icky about her and Sponge together and it makes me less interested in her new music.

Alexandria Roswick

Well.. she does posit herself as a feminist! her feminism is much like Taylor’s feminism. convenient, marketable and, often, empty. However, feminists are imperfect and messy. Because feminists are humans. Feminists can grow and they can also colossally fuck up. If we’re out here expecting all feminists to be perfect, the movement is going to be derailed, which is what the powers that be intend. We can recognize her actions as sketchy—or whatever—without burning her at the stake. There should be a way to do this, but people are so black and white. I agree It’s so weird how people have reacted. Unhinged behavior on both sides, the rabid detractors and the delusional Stans who’ll justify anything. Nuance has become very unpopular. It’s horrifying!

Mikayla

As someone who has been the other woman, I will tell you that the emotion you go through being more complicated than you can even imagine is… more likely than you think. The discourse around Ariana has been really disheartening for me, feeling like I’m doomed for the rest of my life because I was a horribly messy human being once. Very glad you shared this, very glad to know that there are still people who accept that humans are complicated and can grow past their mistakes.

Ben Houtz

And that’s on period

Ryan

we shouldn’t judge the album based on what she did! we should judge it cause it’s bad!

Monika

It's interesting the different sides of the internet we are on. Of course when all the drama came about she was getting a lot of hate, but once the album dropped I was actually surprised how quick the hate went away and it was all praise to her. No judgment on if you should or shouldn't just relaying what I noticed.

Mad Esme at the Plaza Athénée

Love getting these nuggets of Swiftologist wisdom dropped unexpectedly. I must admit my favorite part of membership was the Discord, I felt that the Patreon content was a bit sparse. Now suddenly we're being fed on the regular and don't know what to do with ourselves. Following the queen's handbook I see. Thank you for being so responsive to our needs and so quickly. Love you guys!

rachel☁️

speak your truth!!! I can’t believe how many ppl are acting this frenetically stupid about the Ethan slater thing. Is this what people are really concerned about and putting their energy into??? Pls touch grass

Jon Conti lol

in what world? on opposite day? saying the album is objectively bad is like saying the sky isn’t blue. u don’t have to like it, but it’s definitely not some bad album it’s actually pretty good.

daisy

couldnt agree more!! i think the moral posturing and purity culture and expecting PERFECTION from our public figures and that mindset of cancel culture definitely comes from many places and things but one being deep anxiety. the most anxious, socially inept people i know are the ones participating. you are absolutely right about being far removed from real life and what people actually think

Michelle Johnson

Oh I absolutely love this analysis. I’ve been on both sides of the “right” and “wrong” fence for various reasons and intentions. Life is complex. It’s fascinating and relatable to hear how or why someone made these kinds of decisions that we don’t talk about. Also - I can’t engage with anyone who says “I would never do that”

sam

okay fine ill listen to the album

Sarah

lol 😂 yes queen, let her wreck homes. Lol love it.

Sarah

Adam Levine is so annoying.

Sarah

I don’t think Arianka is the paragon of female virtue but also not the apex of evil. Lol However, Queen Taylor is the paragon of female strength and class imo

leftoutlemons 💖

ALSO Ned Fulmer was sleeping with his employee who he was the boss of, payroll and hr. So Ned and Ariana are not the same.

Lauren S.

Harry styles technically helped to end Oliva wildes marriage to Jason sudakis..... he seems to be doing fine. Just saying.

Matt Jeffrey

dearly beloved... the people debating ariana grande’s relationships don’t know what immutable means 😭 you gotta speak like you’re hosting cocomelon