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Torturedpoetology (Part 2) (Patreon)

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A week later, here we are with our meditations and reflections on The Anthology, the second album or companion piece to the jaw-dropping Tortured Poets Department. In this episode, we dig into Taylor's prolific output: is it necessary to release this much? How much of these releases are 'valuable' output? And we dig into a few motifs and intriguing nuggets of insight that were suspiciously kept off the standard edition of the album.

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Taylor Swift Historians Decode THE ANTHOLOGY...🐍 Evolution of a Snake Podcast

CHECK OUT OUR PATREON FOR UNEDITED REACTIONS AND WEEKLY VIDEOS: https://www.patreon.com/swiftologist MORE evolution of a snake podcast: https://youtu.be/YUAm12WXVCs https://youtu.be/8jHkWJxssBA?si=_RnxSoaUoKoxnUhM https://youtu.be/VV9CO3ybHQg?si=aN3gDbqUVAn1vA_a https://youtu.be/ZjUceWdq1OQ?si=ots8be98hSnFAW2T 🎙️ STREAM THE AUDIO VERSION: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2u4P2DqxLmvGddrSKRco70?si=80b46e6b908a473a A week later, here we are with our meditations and reflections on The Anthology, the second album or companion piece to the jaw-dropping Tortured Poets Department. In this episode, we dig into Taylor's prolific output: is it necessary to release this much? How much of these releases are 'valuable' output? And we dig into a few motifs and intriguing nuggets of insight that were suspiciously kept off the standard edition of the album. Don't be a stranger! 📸 INSTAGRAM: https://bit.ly/3RKOF5u 💻 TWITCH: https://shorturl.at/fxW39 📹 TIKTOK: https://shorturl.at/buzG3 💰 PATREON: https://shorturl.at/uILT3 🎙️ MY TAYLOR SWIFT PODCAST: https://spoti.fi/3U1pu06 📸 PODCAST INSTAGRAM: https://bit.ly/3QDNt2x 💌 EMAIL: zachary@fwbtalent.com

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Jax Wallace

Whoop waiting all week for this 🎉🎉

Melanie Lyon

Zack and I in synchrony on loving the black dog and imgonnagetyouback

reese !!

imgonnagetyouback is definitely about matty because the 1975 often do the same format of the track title like fallingforyou and lostmyhead. also she insanely parallels and references the lyrics in fallingforyou……..

Jax Wallace

What I love about 'how did it end?' is that it's her going over that feeling of dread if a relationship is ending of having to tell people that something didn't work out but she doesn't talk about it in a 'fame' way for once. Just even seeing people she knows and you can feel the embarrassment almost of her having to say 'i was wrong about this relationship' and thinking about all the gossip that comes from it. You can hear her dreading it and things going over and over in her head about having to explain and admit to people that something you've put so much into has 'failed' and especially after saying so much serious things in rep/lover about serious commitment and then having to say to people 'we called it all off' at the same time as thinking 'i don't even know how it ended'. I found it quite refreshing almost to hear it from that angle and I suppose you could say that's why it's 'over wordy' because maybe it was her mind thinking going over all these things too much. It's something, if people were honest, worry and think about when deciding if they want to end a relationship but they don't really admit it. But I know what you guys mean about it, I found that 'over wordy' thing in a few songs.

Connie Ritter

Sorry but don't you dare change one word of "How Did it End?"

Alex

the black dog REALLY for me encapsulated the emotions of seeing your ex move on from a distance... absolutely devastating and gut-wrenching.

Steve Kite

I think there’s a general misunderstanding of How Did It End? Every take I see focuses on this idea that Taylor is trying to perform an autopsy on her relationship to figure out why it happened and they don't understand the line about "empathetic hunger" When the empathetic hunger she's referring to is the people who listen to her music. She doesn't understand why the relationship ended, but she's still expected to spell out and relive the "death rattle" of her relationship. All she can do is suggest that it was a host of things including unforeseen circumstances and interlopers glances. The public and her fans want to perform this post mortem with her in some kind of empathetic solidarity with her, but it's all a facade. They just want to ooo and awe and gasp and gossip with their cousins about this very devastating hurt for her. "Come one, come all / It's happening again / The empathetic hunger descends / We'll tell no one except all our friends / We must know / How did it end? " -> JOE AND TAYLOR HAVE BROKEN UP AFTER A SIX YEAR RELATIONSHIP. IMAGINE HOW GREAT THESE BREAKUP SONGS ARE GOING TO BE. THIS ALBUM IS GOING TO BE HER BEST. I'M GOING TO CRY SO HARD TO THESE SONGS. I WONDER IF SHE BROKE IT OFF, OR IF HE JUST GOT TIRED OF HER. And then the verses are her just suggesting possible reasons why it could have ended. I think there's a really good case that the song answers how it ended, even if its end on the questions which is... the constant speculation and demand for the intimate details of her personal life. Might be one of the most subtle songs in her oeuvre.

Anna P

Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus is probably my fave song from the record so hearing Madeline defend it means everything lol 🫶

Karoline

TIL I Look in People’s Windows is about social media.

prrari22

exactly how i read it

Lea

Yes mam Chloe or Sam. It’s one of my tops. Not even lyrical wise it’s just a beautiful song.

Leslie M

I'm now more convinced then ever that So High School is the next single 😆

maryna

"paris" was my pet peeve for the longest time. i hated that i was enjoying it, because the lyrics are a bit, well, cringe. i do like the "paris" - "somewhere else" rhyming pair, though. perfectly imperfect in my opinion!

Efi

Now you made me listen to Chloe Sophia....etc,I cannot anymore,that's the most heartbreaking song😭😭

Jackie Lehman 💅🏼

How did it end? Is one of my favourites! Its sooooo tragic. I think the overwriting is intentional, cause she us overthinking... she is in her tower (her head) again. She still doesnt really know, but everyone just keeps asking her. "One gasp, and then 'how did it end"'. People just want to know the drama first, they dont even ask if she is ok.

Chas

The anthology is definitely evermore part 2 and so high school is my Dorothea

Ariel Baker

imgonnagetyouback is connected to The 1975's song fallingforyou. In fallingforyou there is even a bike reference "All we need's my bike and your enormous house". I think his bike represents his immaturity. The Black Dog is 10/10, perfection. The black dog definitely represents depression, but she is also totally trolling Matty with this. There was a black dog very prominently featured in The 1975's mucic video for the song called "Part of the Band", also in the thumbnail we see Matty in a crown incredibly similar to the one Taylor wears in the Fortnight video. Even though The Black Dog is a real place, I believe it is meant to be completely metaphorical. Also notice in the video "Part of the Bad" video they have "The Band" written on the drums... this makes me connect it to Bejewelled. Yes, I agree...... the humor on this album is totally lost on people! It is unserious!

Jackie Lehman 💅🏼

So high school i feel is a nod to Lana's "Video Games" to compaire the relationship. In Video Games the girly is doing everything to please her man, where as SHS he is paying attention to her while his friends play video games. I love that the music is so '10 things I hate about you' etc. Its just so carefree and it tells a story of not needing to change who you are for the relationship, it just brings you into a moment in time of being carefree even if it wasnt your own highschool experience, its just the feeling.

Kat

As a huge fan of Cassandra, Peter, & Robin … I will finish this episode when I’m mentally prepared to hear criticism 😅🫶

Jed

Exactly, it's another song on the record that breaks the forth wall and forces the listener to think about how they're engaging with the music. And putting it at Track 5 (of part two) is so pointed... "Ooh Track 5! This is going to be so sad! I wonder what JUICE she's going to spill though!"

Jed

What Madeline was saying about the Bolter at the end, the moment where Taylor sees her whole life play out in front of her and bolts... really makes me think "for a fortnight there we were forever" is a double entendre - she can see the 'forever' play out in front of her, the "turned into good neighbours" of it all. Idk I just like the way it ties the song into the whole narrative of the record.

Jackie Lehman 💅🏼

I think "ThanK you amIMe" needed a revisit because the full video that proved Taylor was telling the truth the whole time came out just before covid and so it really didnt have much traction... and that would make me sooooooooo annoyed. Sometimes you just have to be immature about it. 😁 i also feel the song is bad on purpose, its ment to be like one of her first songs that Kim would find annoying.

maryna

i also wish thank you aimee would be just about, well, aimee, because i think taylor's voice on that song is pure gold.

Jax Wallace

Yess I love this also a lot of what I think about this song xx

reese !!

adding on to what you said, i just remembered that in june 2023 the 1975 had a concert in Cork, Ireland, and there’s a bar there called The Black Dog where matty may have gone to…

BananaCassandra

As a Scorpio, I can confirm that imgonnagetyouback is our anthem 😂

Ariel Baker

As another scorpio, I feel this in my bones.

Ariel Baker

This is true... but as I say, I think the idea of the song would have come from the idea of the metaphor and her trolling him with this song concept/title, that whether he went to it or not is neither here nor there.

Ariel Baker

Very interesting take, I never thought of this.

Priya More

More power to Taylor and her overproductive state of mind but this whole release was so draining!

TiffK83

I see the manuscript as her moving through the WHOLE torrid affair. Meaning from the beginning of her career. The boy she is looking at the license with is also a teen who just got his license. The older men, the boys her own age( Harry, Taylor L, Calvin)The actors are the last hand full of men she dated (Tom, Joe, Dylan perhaps? Lol ) All of it. I think of the speech she gives at the beginning of the show during lover. She essentially says the same thing. She wants her memories, her stories to become ours. I certainly think this started with all too well, but she’s latched on to it as a way of singing these old sometimes painful memories. Also, if she is closing the book I am hoping that this is the last we will hear of the kimYe situation. We know that movie directing is up next. I see a shift in her career happening IF she can help herself … lol .. we will see

LadyQ

Regarding Peter...Given that Taylor told everyone that Cardigan was about Matty, with the line, trying to change the ending, Peter losing Wendy, that's one nod. But more so the fact that the 1975 also has a song called "lost boys," then the fact that Taylor first met Matty when he was 25. This whole TTPD saga points to Matty being a man child unwilling to grow up... So many references to childhood things (MBOBHFT, childhood swings and imaginary rings, never measuring up to any measure of a man, etc)

Ariel Baker

yessss, the Lost Boys song. This album has so many 1975 references. Also in the performance of fallingforyou, which has been connected to Taylor, there is a porch light on stage. She is trolling him all over this record... obviously with the whole typewriter of it all being a symbol for his inability to commit.... even a lyric on the ttpd title track is "who's gonna troll you"... it's hidden in there, but you see it in the lyric video. The pitchfork article on Matty Healy describing every song on the album "a brief enquiry into online relationships" has the words "postmortem", "deconstructed", and "athelogocal" all in inverted commas, it was written in 2018. Check it out: https://pitchfork.com/features/song-by-song/the-1975s-matty-healy-dissects-every-song-on-a-brief-inquiry-into-online-relationships/

Beth

did y'all see people clowning for a 3rd album...

Sarah Bogue

Not comparing Taylor to Mother God 💀💀💀 also Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus Stans unite! My favorite. But I can’t talk about it anymore because the title is too damn much to type. 🖤

Kat

Thank youuuuuuuuu. It’s so wonderful that it tells her story but it’s so relatable to anyone that has been in a long term relationship that just fell apart slowly.

Z

Zach! I accidentally bought an extra collector’s edition of The Bolter CD, up for grabs if you want it!

G

I Hate It Here is seriously the most healing song for me. “You too huh?” I feel so seen. I had selective mutism as a child and would just create these worlds and stories in my mind to disappear into. I grew up to be outgoing and a “normal” young adult until physical disabilities have started attacking me the last few years and I’ve returned to that place of “saving all my romanticism for my inner life”. Something about this album has provided even more escapism for me than folklevermore did

G

Omg yes and literalism is such a disease. It’s so ridiculous that these people don’t understand that THEY are what the song is about. The ultimate impossibility of articulating and communicating your inner world & people latching onto semantics and choosing ignorance.

Roxy

I think the biggest shock in all of this for me was Matty being British

Jackie Lehman 💅🏼

I love that this also speaks to making your present life better as best you can, cause no matter where you feel you want to go, the grass probably looked greener... so just water your own garden 😘

Jackie Lehman 💅🏼

I saw that, and thought they might have a point, but i am soooo not ready. Im so full on this 31 course meal, not another bite...i need to digest ♡

Lain Pierce

It's true. I feel like I am defending an English Lit PhD thesis.

CyrusNomadix

"Grateful and overwhelmed" imo is the best place to land regarding the density of this album. I had to pause this vid to comment because I'm overwhelmed by the amount of similar critique/commentary I've taken in from here and other places. We, the fans, have some accountability in the quantity issue. We're jumping on vault tracks like rabid beasts, we're telling her in many ways "What else you got?", and the line in ICDIWABH we're the ones chanting "More!". So to go from that to "Constraint? Structure? Get some, methinks?" has me thinking that we doth protest too much. My current shortlist of repeatable songs from TTPD has mostly Anthology songs on it, hence why I was looking forward to this vid. Maybe once I get this off my desk and chest, I'll press play again. And from the whole para social standpoint, this iteration of Taylor reminds me of myself or people in my life who want to word vomit during emotional crises and can't when there isn't a safe place to spew. This is her venting and maybe once she got this all out of her she'll be in a different place and come at the next album differently. TL;DR The similar-sounding commentary about this album from several places online, including this one, is just as overwhelming as the amount of content she put out for TTPD. I have my own thoughts to share before proceeding with the rest of this video.

Kat

A thought I immediately had on so high school. Is how mundane it is. After all the manic heartbreak drama she has something that’s so simple and “normal”. That’s what I get from it

Ash

With imgonnagetyouback, I was gagged over what I was reading as a Blank Space mv reference! This album is soooooo self-referential. Who needs to reference Olivia Rodrigo when you're Taylor and you have THAT much imagery and lore to reference in your own discography? Taylor's been smashing up cars and riding bikes around a mansion whilst burning things down and taking names for 10 years now.

Ash

RE: the incantation vibes and The Anthology as a whole, I think it would have SLAYED to have ALL of the tracks be The ____ . Maybe some people would find that corny, but to me that would have helped with cohesion and feeling there there were chapters, or essays, or spells, or something like a book. Instead, I found myself looking at the fresh tracklist at 2am and feeling like I was just in a vortex of random words and TOO MANY names. Probably an unpopular opinion, but I could have done without that many names in The Anthology. Or any, really. It took me out of the world or image she was building and made me either think of people I know who have those names or something, I dunno. I might have fun and go through the track list to see what I would have named each of the tracks if they followed "The ____ " format. :)

Priya More

Tell me about it. Also it should come with a TW, this will put in depressie episode lol

Ash

I am so grateful for all the swifties / 1975 fans who share these kind of connections, because I have never heard a single 1975 song and am missing all the references!

Monika

I think she could've done it without the capitalizing. It gives Kim more attention than she honestly deserves and fans would know who it was about anyways. I personally want her to be healed from this garbage situation and hopefully she is.

🌷Elle🌷

Based on the info she dumped, her and Matty were in contact long before they got together. She was still with Joe, likely in the making of Midnights where he supposedly collaborated. This is where I assume they started communicating in a deeper level, behind Joe (not malicious), aka the letters, the sending songs, etc. She likely fell in love with this made believe version of him and when it was time to make it real, he dipped because he sucks and is a loser.

Melody P

We know that Taylor wrote the majority of these songs for herself, with them being shared to the public for multiple reasons: profit, publicity, and sharing her artwork for others to experience/enjoy. But certain songs are being denigrated with criticisms that they never should have been included. My thoughts: So High School/Alchemy--I believe both were included as 'gifts' to Travis as the new love in her life. But also as gifts to fans--like myself--who came away from such a raw, painful tracklist to take solace in that Taylor appears to be in a better, happier place now. I don't believe an editor would have convinced her to remove them, because she had specific goals for their inclusion. Other songs like Cassandra & Thank You aIMee also belong. Taylor is clearly tired of letting others 'pull her teeth'. With these & Who's Afraid, she's made songs that express her pain, anger & frustration at specific people, the industry & at the media who have traumatized her & tried to shut her up. She's DONE with it. And if Taylor wants to hammer home a snarled warning that she will no longer hold back her bite...woe to those that come at her going forward. Other songs like I Hate It Here, I Look In Windows, Peter, Florida!!! all were on my skip list until recently. As I spend more time with all the songs, even these are quickly gaining acceptance and appreciation from me. I'd not wish them away now that they exist. In the end, I believe that TTPD is not an album created for the public, but one that Taylor needed to make as a way to lance wounds so they could finally heal. We, the fans, are just the secondary beneficiaries of her decision to put out these two albums.

Michelle Johnson

I keep going back to I hate it here and I look in peoples windows 😍

Tyler

I think smallest man who ever lived is the only song on the new album to enter her all time best list, and guilty as sin as well but nothing from the anthology could measure up to like all too well or dear John

reese !!

yeah it’s been kinda fun being a tay75 fan with this album because of all of the 1975 references, but you should definitely check out their music!! they’re fun and they experiment with a ton of different sounds and genres !!

tlentulen

btw Patrik Berger is also the one behind the Slut! production.. and a bit of gold rush.. it just makes sense. There’s something so potent about each one of these. That’s a really great example of Taylor and Jack involving other people into the fold to diversify the sound. The same goes for Sam Dew and Sounwave on Lavender Haze

Erin S

The Haylor commitment to “the 1”… I love it. I think possibly “the 1” is an amalgamation of many past relationships and situationships… including Matty… thinking fondly of them now with distance and ruminating on how it could have been fun if they could have been the one. That being said… ivy makes so much sense now as a Matty song in the wake of Guilty as Sin?. Matty was ever present as a friend during her 6-year-relationship with Joe and every time things with Joe got rocky, Matty was something unrequited in the back of her mind that grew into the cracks and crevices of that almost-common law marriage she was in. Also cowboy like me seems very Matty-coded now. I think that braid of hers on the evermore cover represents the three main characters of Taylor, Joe and Matty and how it all weaves together in this tug-of-war that Taylor was in between her feelings for the two of them, both good and bad.

Erin S

I agree that this song had to be written before she ever heard OR’s Get Him Back. By September 2023, Taylor was already in a relationship with Travis… if the majority of this record wasn’t written before she got together with him, I’m not sure she would have still needed to write some of these songs anymore. Now, whether the production was done on the song before September is another question… there is a part of me that feels like Taylor is petty enough to have heard OR’s song after she had her draft done and still wanted to release her take on the same concept to show how she’s better. Almost like “well, hers is cute and definitely sophomore album-level songwriting, but my version is a masterclass.”

Ash

😂😂😂 I agree

Serena Boyte-Hawryluk

Immaturity is a prominent theme through both albums (and I feel quite snarky about critics calling the album or Taylor herself immature and missing this point).

Yasmin

She better not y'all I am so freaking full! Not for another month please at least!

Jackie Lehman 💅🏼

Agree on both points. Im ok waiting for her to be healed if she needs more time, though, i have no need to see her "just get over it".

Yasmin

Man I really get the exhausted vibes here. So much info I'm still overwhelmed. Needed more time with the first album before the second

LadyQ

Oh yes! Brings to mind the porch in Betty... There's certainly more to that slow-downed part at the end of "fresh out the slammer," at the end with that porch light...I know I read something more about that somewhere... It's important. Agree about that troll line... The subtlety is exquisite.

ryan

Wait, Maddie. Do you play world of warcraft?

Jax Wallace

This making me more excited for London live. Also a black dog field trip plz 😁

Pure Jealousy

As we age it becomes more and more apparent the idolization of youth....especially for women. It's my reality at 47. It's Taylor's reality. It's not like we can avoid it. She's the best songwriter I've ever heard. I love love love music....I love all genres and I've loved our sweet crazy Taylor since the beginning. Taylor's lyrics are timeless. If men want to understand their girlfriends, wives or daughters...listen to Taylor. I'm also an only child and escaping into books and my own mind is relatable. Love this channel. Also a fan of Tom Ford BO. Great taste Zach 🖤🫶🏻

Zach V

I also saw somebody point how how the 1 may be stylized with the number because ‘the 1…975’

Zach V

And I agree about cowboy like me, he mentioned cowboy during his NME 2020 speech

Zach V

I was surprised that neither of yall mentioned the ‘scarlet maroon’ line in Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus

Kylee

Imgonnagetyouback is get him back!’s slutty big sis

Kylee

P.S. mine thighs are forever 🫶 Guitly as sinner ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Kylee

P.S. shes in her tower, looking down at all us lowly precocious peasants

Kylee

Chloe, Sam, Sophia, and Marcus are my boos. In all realness, I had the same reaction. This song, if anything, is breathtakingly beautiful. currently ranking at 7 out of 31 for me ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Eva

Will there be a EOAS live show movie, first to be seen in theatres, then to be payed for on rental and finally to be streamed on Disney+?

Swiftologist

Oh yes absolutely there will also be a Netflix exclusive with 3 extra minutes of ME! bashing

maryna

i think the anthology does add a new layer to the content on the main record. on the main record there's a lot of songs about specific experiences or situations (being treated badly by matty, being shamed for dating matty, falling out of love with joe, feeling guilty for wanting another man, dealing with this specific heartbreak etc.), but the anthology asks more general questions you can deduct from the experiences she has had: who am i as a woman? who am i as a partner? can i ever have romantic love? how have i dealt with romantic love over the course of my life? of course, it's not as clear-cut throughout the two parts of the album, but i do think that the anthology is more about reflecting on her life. well, with some exceptions of course (so high school, the black dog, ...). i definitely think it adds an additional layer.

Amy Versprille

So - I think the reason we got the Thank you Amy and Cassandra is because she was re-recording Rep TV and was reliving and reflecting on the situation from a new perspective and put it on this album. Also - a tease to the rep TV album

maryna

which will then be displayed on the screen at the eras tour during the lover set!

Dana

31 songs. A song for every day of the month.