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Torturedpoetology (Part 2) (Patreon)

Published:
2024-04-27 13:36:50
Imported:
2026-06

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We had to censor it on YouTube...so here's the explicit version!! Brava!!

A week later, here we are with our meditations and reflections on The Anthology, the second album or companion piece to the jaw-dropping Tortured Poets Department. In this episode, we dig into Taylor's prolific output: is it necessary to release this much? How much of these releases are 'valuable' output? And we dig into a few motifs and intriguing nuggets of insight that were suspiciously kept off the standard edition of the album.

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Torturedpoetology (Part 2)

Listen to this episode from Evolution of a Snake: The Taylor Swift Podcast on Spotify. A week later, here we are with our meditations and reflections on The Anthology, the second album or companion piece to the jaw-dropping Tortured Poets Department. In this episode, we dig into Taylor's prolific output: is it necessary to release this much?

Comments

Nirvana Grace

Thank u for saving my Saturday evening 🫶🏼🫶🏼

V

In Nonsense outro melody: Evolution of a Snake is the Cocomelon to my iPad baby Do I listen to them everyday? I’d lie if I said maybe It all started one day when I found an Ologist If it hijacks my synapses more I might need a psychologist

Drew Rosen

just in time for my long car ride!!!

Leslie M

Now, I only listened to Peter once because it hasn't grabbed me yet, but isn't Peter Pan just what we call a grown man who acts like a child? I don't think it's about actual children.

nearer

YES JUSTICE FOR CHLOE OR SAM OR SOPHIA OR MARCUS. thank you madeline literally one of my fav tracks on the album 🙏🏻

Ann thea

I love your takes sometimes but the “how did it end” song take Zach had may have been one where if it hasn’t happened to you you don’t get it. 1. If you have had a lot of relationships that don’t work out and your friends are in their happy relationships-this song gets inside the head of someones personal isolating almost embarrassing experience of breaking up again and saying “why is always me” 2- how everyone in the media asks how did it end. We all voraciously ask how did they break up? “Come one, come all” like when you are at a circus. Come look at this oddity, a person who’s life work is about love but can’t find it. Taylor feels hopeless in the song and lost - she is also asking “how did it end?” 3- the reeling after a breakup the feel of confusion and complete removal of hope, is very well expressed in this song: In your 20s you are sad in your 30s this feeling changes to hopeless ( a much more scary and profound feeling) 3- the death rattle breath- if you have ever worked in healthcare she perfectly describes how someone dies after a prolonged illness from the view point of the loved ones around them (it put me right back there) and the torture you have when it’s happening. I love how every song can and is interpreted differently, based on a persons past experiences. This song is so good and heartbreaking, I accept that someone who hasn’t gone through this feeling of embarrassment and confusion about the “ WHY me” may not connect with this song. the hopelessness that follows is very relatable.

Erika Fern 🌿

Madeline I’m with you on How Did It End? The “empathetic hunger” is the circus of media and fans et al wanting to know what happened but shrouded in “empathy” because we are lying to ourselves that we’re only asking to know if she’s ok when really we all just want the tea. And sitting in a tree D-Y-I-N-G is GOSPEL!!!!! That gagged me so much. Maybe the sitting in a tree k i s s i n g song is mostly in US so the reference is lost on ppl who don’t know it??

Rachel

Cassandra would be sooo much better without thank you amiee imo! I think Cassandra explores a part of the story that hasn't been discussed as much, which is the kimye fall from grace after Kanye showed his entire ass With the Trump endorsement and anti-semitism. If I were her, would want to say "I told you so" too. Two songs are just completely unnecessary though.

Tia

I don’t get the Peter hate, it’s sooooo heart wrenching especially with the context of it being her closing the chapter on Matty Healy which is an intense situationship thy spanned a decade

James

Thanks for keeping us sooo fed divas

Roh

To be fair about the “imgonnagetyouback” and “get him back” comparisons, most people who I’ve seen talking about that (other than stans who just hate Taylor lol) are just pointing out that if roles were reversed, Olivia would’ve been nailed to the cross for copying Taylor again. I also think it’s funny that Olivia-hating swifties can understand the concept of common themes in music / inspiration not being plagiarism for this song, but when it was just Olivia screaming in a bridge, Taylor suddenly deserved 50% of the royalties 🤔

Lain Pierce

Oh, I love Olivia. They both strike the same chord but the delivery is different enough that I need IT ALL.

Rachel

Okay generally not a big song paternity test person but I wonder if the " somebody who seems like he could have bullied you in school" is looking backwards to 2014 and could be a reference to Calvin Harris? I do you think Travis is the more obvious Matty bully lol but it could also be referencing that it's a pattern that happened twice

Rachel

Further evidence: Calvin is "some dickgead guy" from Question...? and if you think the 1975 song Somebody Else is about Taylor "I don't want your body//But I hate to think about you with somebody else" "I can't give you my soul//'Cause we're never alone"

Sarah Smith

I don't need anymore songs about kimye. My lord.

Chas

The alchemy is my skip on TTPD and so high school is my skip on the anthology and I’m learning that says a lot about me

annie

you guys need to collab with ajay to help her understand the taylor lore better 😭

Fatima

YESSS!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Burtasaurusrex11

It actually took me a few days to listen to the anthology. I was still digesting the original release. It was almost overwhelming. One of my favorite albums is a double album, The Fragile, however it is only 22 songs. So much easier to digest. Thematically and soncially it all makes sense. I find myself going to Anthology much less than the original release. Obviously, I'm a Swiftie, I'm eating. But I need a moment to catch my breath.

violetta

Help I am new here. Where can I find the discord link?

Tia

Is this a good album according to the swifites or not?

V

The lingering question kept me up, 2.a.m, “Only wear Lover Stella McCartney collab forever or only listen to ThanK you aIMee forever” I wonder til I’m wide awakeeeeee

Julia Mooney

Hi Zac I just wanted say when you’re separating Joe vs matty songs by British words being Joe, they’re actually both British! 😊 1975 is a British band so when she uses English vocabulary that doesn’t mean it’s exclusively about Joe imo

Ann Veronica

Thank you for saying Peter could be about Harry Styles! I thought I was crazy for thinking that.

Ann thea

I go back and forth with the thought that by giving us so much it does take away from the whole. But the thought of not having some songs is sad to me

Stephany Perez

oh my fucking god... This definetly piece it together! I knew cowboy like me had to do with Matty but I did not have something to tie it all together. Thank you for sharing this!

Stephany Perez

I agree and its so sad. I am a big swiftie and big livie; the whole situation seems very uneven and unfair no matter how I look at it. Specially aftet this song, because as you said no one is out there taylor copied olivia... I love taylor so much but she did not deserve royalties for that screaming bridge.

Abby🌸🌿☀️

How can we find Maddie's TTPD/Anthology playlists? I'm so curious! Is it public?

Julia Czaplewski

only people with massive brains have chloe or sam or sophia or marcus as their number one and that’s just the hard truth of it all, sorry everyone else