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In today's Kiki Lounge we battle a grave and severe technical difficulty (off-air) that hopefully did not impact this recording too much! We spent hours sorting it, so this is the best we could do. We're chatting about Taylor's recent appearances (dissecting her outfits but of course) and musing some unvarnished thoughts on the Brittany Mahomes of it all. Enjoy! See you this weekend for our VMA review.

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Raphaëlle

I can’t wait to watch this tonight but I can’t help but comment right now on how ICONIC the lizard’s ghostbusters cap is.

Jane

The cap!!! Love it

Zara Hennessy

Started watching and thought ‘oh I wish Madeline wasn’t wearing a cap, I want to see that Gorgina face and reactions’ etc…. But then I saw the ghost behind…. Then she took a sip from her ghost mug…. Spooky… it’s galaxy brained brava bellisima

Jonna Kristina

twitter has been crazy lately so thank you for your reasonable takes❤️

JJ

Troye’s reaction to TTPD is insane he hated it all

🌷Elle🌷

Honestly I understand the having to tolerate someone’s shitty opinions and beliefs, but I wish she wasn’t a hypocrite. At the very least voice that fact and wash your hands of the hypocrisy.

🌷Elle🌷

AJ to me is boring, most of the reactioners became boring after a while.

Maria

Let they/them without a trump supporter in their lives cast the first stone

PandoraNicole

I loved you mentioning AJay's reaction to NFR. I've seen it at least three times and I don't usually rewatch reactions

Priya More

Finally! Been needing this..

Leslie

They are in fact doing the VMAs in New York on 9/11 🙃

Julissa J

I need Taylor to do a Grammys performance this next year and it needs to be her going wild with WHOS AFRAID OF LITTLE OLD ME. Won’t get it but come on guys we can dream.

V

As a European who lived in LA for a long time, I honestly think that people overestimate Taylor’s potential impact on politics. I can see her being kind of unsure if her endorsing Kamala would actually help the campaign. I think she should do it, and not make a big deal out of it, but yeah, I’m just not sure she’s that knowledgeable

Renee Darline

I totally agree that of course Taylor is a democrat-y person (NYC + Hollywood + UK friends) and of course most of the people in her football/country music/Central Pennsylvania + Nashville + KC orbit are Republicans + centrists, and I think that during the Trump era/2020, the brands needed to be activist, thus Miss Americana/Biden endorsement. And now it's bad for a brand to be activist, cf (the Guardian stealing your takes, Zachary!) https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/10/is-taylor-swift-a-trump-supporter-internet-theories

blake

tell mason you want to go to the alcatraz bar experience

Emily Kern

Mason get Madeline eras tickets for NOLA 🤭

Bell

I appreciate you two addressing the Brittany of it all. I agree that ultimately she has to deal with the consequences of associating with a Trump supporter. The way you described how it puts Taylor in a sticky situation is accurate, except, do you think Taylor was that "oh no" about it? I never in my life thought of Taylor as fake, but having your political stunt 4 years ago and then dropping it is like... fake? Inauthentic? If you didn't think she did the political thing as a last ditch hail marry at relevancy then this is quite the case for it now. I just don't think Taylor is very political at all. Which, fine, I guess, but don't act like you are. I wonder if she'll say anything leading up to the election. I'm always here to clap and cheer for Taylor but when she's hugging a trump supporter, by clapping takes a holt.

caroline

If a Speak Now petition for Taylor speaking up against Trump/endorsing Kamala gets started, she’ll drop a “But Daddy I Love Him” variant as a callback and say nothing more

Emily M

Gift idea: Remote car starter (lifesaver in the cold months) + a car detail

Syd

Love this nuanced take from y’all, right on the nose as always!

Jordan

I don’t need taylor’s political views at all. I just want her to write music and serve a look like what are we doing

Sonya

honestly, trump made those comments about brittany not cause he cares about her but wants that association with kelce and taylor. He could not care less. Maybe Mahomes too because both mahomes and her come from conservative families and if they are from texas then yeah since I lived there before, they are very conservative so not surprised at their politics. I mean up to Taylor to figure it out for sure

Alyssa

Yes we’ve been needing this level-headed take from the Snakes! Twitter has been a madhouse as of recent, but then again, what else is new??

Heather

If I can't think of a material gift that I want, asking for a facial or a massage is my go-to!

LH

What’s wrong with someone reaching across the aisle and handing someone a vodka cran? She should be talking to those with opposing political beliefs if she is going to be a “politically minded” figure .

Bnans

i don’t think taylor is endorsing kamala because she hasn’t said anything on the Palestine/Israel conflict and that’s a huge issue with dem voters is kamala’s stance on palestine.

Bell

No offense, but Taylor has no clue about Palestine/Israel. Not one thought of it in her head. I just don’t think ehe cares. When you’re a billionaire and your rights are well secured, you don’t tend to care who’s running the country. Only reason she spoke in 2019 is bc her image was declining bc she didn’t say anything. Taylor will always do the thing that benifits her.

Bell

you don’t actually think Taylor has ever had one political conversation with Brittney do you? Taylor just doesn’t care.

Bnans

fair point, though i never meant i thought she cared (i do think she’s not dumb enough to just not have any idea that it’s even happened). i was just spitballing a potential thought my friend 🤷🏻‍♀️

Bell

this nails it on the head. It’s not that I look to Taylor for political guidance — it’s that she said she cared, but her actions say otherwise. It’s not crazy that people are, at the very least, scratching their heads, confused.

connor

it’s good you guys aren’t always on twitter it’s a war zone right now

Hannah

I think Travis influenced the Gucci dress look…. Kind of his vibe

Holly Yoders

Travis manager and his wife at us open were at democratic convention.

Shiv Patel

But daddy I love her incoming

Shiv Patel

Zach and Madeline, so well spoken and so fucking entertaining

Ash

The way Madeline gagged Zack with the drive-by story gagged meeeeee 😂😂😂

Laura

Fantano gave The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess a pretty middling review (I think like a 6 or 7). I think he said the production was nothing special and was comparing it to Olivia's music because of Dan Nigro (jail). But he must've gotten omega clowned on for that because he made another review of himself fake crying and singing it's praises (somewhat sarcastically)

Hannah

Also especially because now she’s a billionaire I wouldn’t be surprised if she now at least privately identifies as socially liberal and fiscally conservative (even though that’s a paradox)

Cynthia

And love Madeline's little ghost--

Cynthia

Gift ideas for Madeline: Kate Spade gift certificate, manicure /pedicure gift certificate for a year, romantic getaway to five star hotel somewhere nearby..., gold ring of some sort to have forever with birthstone which I think is opal and opals are sooo beautiful.

Marianna D

I think Madeline multiple times said that she loves traveling so maybe a surprise trip could be a good present? Even a short one.

Marianna D

Yeah I stopped watching him after that reaction. Too much hate for such a masterpiece. And he also didn’t like Reputation which is a crime

Renee Darline

“Tax the 1% except Me-he-heeee”

Lyndsey

Madeline in a hat honestly serves casual cunt

Angelic Mars

Oh they are already planning another version of that now

Maria

I think she’ll go but she won’t win for song. She might win for video and artist

Amanda Boulay

One of my favorite Kiki lounges ever! I needed this!

AK

VMAs are on Long Island this year

Maja Gunhold

madeline, your bronze eyeshadow is gorgina sexy cuntress glamourzon model

Katie H.

Joined the Patreon for this Kiki… had to know your opinions

Bell

I stand corrected. Taylor just endorsed Kamala!

Olivia Claire

Taylor posted her Kamala Harris endorsement post as I’m watching this! It felt like she heard the snakes and was called to action 😂

Bnans

as do i, not too upset at being incorrect about this

LH

Whether she cares or not isn’t the point-the point is that we shouldn’t be threatened by people with differing beliefs talking to each other. They can talk about Gucci for all I care.

Terry B

what if besides friends, in-Laws are also bigots too? guilt by association… some time with acquaintances / colleagues’re necessary / ok…but weekly / regularly’d look scandalous 🫤 ERAs tour is high stakes but the risk is low since most swifties are liberal / moderate right, girls and women (tons were singing in Vienna).

Terry B

since Taylor has supported her, shouldn’t Brittany supports / participate in Taylor’s charitable work? Friendship should be two-sided regardless of personal beliefs. 😶

Terry B

😭 this time is higher stake than 2016! About damn time she lent her diva energy to save the minorities and girl fans she claims to care about—new Taylor waits for perfect timing (AI poster of her) to speak up so critics can’t say why an artist gets involved in politics. ofc they’ll still say it’s calculated timing. Love her signed “Childless Cat Lady” with cat pic! 🤣

Terry B

FYI Zack I used to despise Eminem too, but I suspect hip hop back then peer pressure of misogyny slim is the villain. IRL he raised 3 daughters, 2 are adopted from ex and ex’s dead sister when most BFs’d dump their GFs becoming single moms…he also collaborated with P!nk, an anti pop girly artist 20+years; he’s sung about his daughters in “when I’m gone”, confessional songs with Rihanna “love the way you lied” and he lost many fans by refusing to cater his albums to far right in 2010s…his songs should be boycotted but I’ll be more lenient to the person—he’s been co-parenting with his ex. He called out Yezee bullying at 2009 VMA who’s a train wreck that won’t turn around

bubb

fr, I had to wince at the Em discussion. Tell me you don't understand the concept if you're bringing up cancellation & bothered he's still doing the 'thing'. It's the top one of the top selling albums of the year, and that's currently without physical sales.

Kate G

Fantano loves Laura marling he gives her amazing ratings consistently. I love her too and I watch his videos about her because they are so positive!

Vidal Thomas Sanchez IV

I’m just watching this today and the fact you predicted Taylor making an Instagram post for Kamala’s Endorsement is Iconic!

Kat

Me and my friends have different views on things some we talk about some we don’t. But we respect each other. That’s unity, as Americans. Taylor can vote who she wants as can others.

connor

couldn’t hear you talking about camila without sharing that she today said anti-hero and my tears ricochet “expose the dark underbelly of being human”

Maria

Same! They got me.

Terry B

my longtime hair stylist voted for conservatives for business reasons. An old friend couldn’t visit her mom in nursing home during COVID🥺 so she blamed it on conspiracies 🫤 My 1st reaction wasn’t dismissal— I panicked—I didn’t want to lose her🥺 I skirted around the topic; she calmed down after. I hug my dad (conspiracist sexist 🦖) goodnight— love is always stronger than anger 🤗🥹

CamilleC

the title of the vid cracks me up already

Terry B

it’d look good if she shows up not for awards just to support Sabrina 😉 to delay the eventual backlash (all the rumblings among pop girls— but seriously who else‘ concert caused earthquakes, and endorsement got global news coverage?) 😁 👑

Syd

Probs late to this but Madeline, Mason should get you a massage!!! Always the thing I will not get myself but sooo appreciate as a gift.

CamilleC

Ajay's reaction to eras tour the movie is great. She's so not biased it's refreshing imo

rachel☁️

madeline cooked at 28:27 ..got em