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Episode #795: The Conversation (W❤️M) (Patreon)

Published:
2025-04-17 10:00:16
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2025-08-21 18:50:51
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2026-06
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“Hackman is dressed head-to-toe in Zapruder-wear...” - Steve

On this month’s We ❤️ Movies, we’re chatting about Francis Ford Coppola’s 1974 masterpiece, The Conversation! How fantastic, and against type, is Hackman in this movie? How much cocaine was getting blown at that surveillance conference? How amazing is Harrison Ford playing this villainous character? Has there been anyone as natural and amazing on camera as John Cazale? And how about that magnificent score by David Shire? PLUS: Would Harry Caul have been less lonely if they had online Call of Duty seshes in the 1970s?

The Conversation stars Gene Hackman, John Cazale, Allen Garfield, Frederick Forrest, Cindy Williams, Michael Higgins, Elizabeth MacRae, Terri Garr, Harrison Ford, and Robert Duvall as The Director; directed by Francis Ford Coppola.

We hope you are enjoying We ❤️ Movies! Thanks so much for being the kick-ass Patreon subscriber that you are. Your support keeps the lights on around the old clubhouse and keeps us on the air. We know you have a lot of options for podcast enjoyment and we're stoked you chose to spend some time with us!Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

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James Sherlock

Great movie. First watch. Miss ya gene

Daug

Back in high school, I was lucky enough to take a film elective with a teacher named Mr. C, who was a great guy and an OG movie lover. All we had to do was show up and watch great movies. It was one of the best scams. Mr. C was taken from this world too soon, and he’s a huge reason why I ❤️ Movies. The Conversation was one of his favorites and will always make me think of him.

Matthew Mariner

What a feisty beginning to this episode! Love it

DMAC

Come on down to Zapruders, one location at The Gettin' Place

Felipe Sobreiro

Listening right now and rubbing my hands for one of my favorite WHM impressions: Frederic Forrest as the nazi creep in Falling Down

Gone

The bug was 100% in the sax. During the scene where he confronts Harrison Ford at the convention you see someone walk by behind Caul carrying a saxophone. I can’t imagine that detail happens if it doesn’t mean something, and that’s the only thing I could connect it to.

James C Harris

It really might be my favorite Coppola film

I.C. Weiner

You guys brought up confessions so I need to talk about the horrific conditions of my childhood church. There were no confessional boxes but instead rooms in the back with couches in which you were supposed to confess to the priest face to face. Yes, one of the priests was arrested one day after mass, and from that point until her death my mom was convinced I was molested by a priest (I wasn't).

Dr. M

What am I missing? I love Gene Hackman, but this movie was a real snoozefest for me.

Geoff Gershon

Hands-down Hackman's BEST overall performance! Even though I find him more fun in movies like Hoosiers and Crimson Tide. :)

Geoff Gershon

That's too funny.....last night when I rewatched it, I thought that for the first time too. :)

MarkNM

Your church had a casting couch? Jeepers H Crackers.

Geoff Gershon

I know that Frederick Forrest (RIP) was much more prolific but for some reason, I just look back at his career as doing ONE memorable role in a movie I love every ten years....and completely different roles too. 😆 1974 - The Conversation 1983 - Valley Girl 1993 - Falling Down For the record, he's a real kick as the loveable hippie dad in Valley Girl

Geoff Gershon

Man how menacing does Harrison Ford come off in this movie?

RaggyB

One of my all time favorite runners

Felipe Sobreiro

To me he’s first and foremost the cook from Apocalypse Now

MarkNM

I like when we can tell how much yalz enjoyed the movie when actual enthusiastic film analysis slips in between the dick jokes. Not being facetious at all.

I.C. Weiner

This was my first time watching the movie and because we were shown he is mentally unstable before, I thought everything with the hotel room was in his head, and an expression of his guilt especially the blood toilet. I am so glad you guys selected this over another Hackman movie I have probably seen a bunch because I really enjoyed watching it and have been thinking about it a lot since watching it a few weeks back

Z

I saw him not too long ago in Coppola's "One From the Heart", and he's also great in that.

Watch_N_Rewatch

Man I can't express how much I enjoy a good, quality WLM episode, the boys showing their love for everything they find interesting and the level of perfection that comes together with a film like The Conversation. Excellent episode, this one will be replayed plenty. Cheers 🍻

Melissa Benjamin

Catholic here. Pretty much non-practicing at this point. I always said the same thing at confession: I fought with my sisters, and lied to my parents. Technically both were true. I just left out all the actual bad stuff. You have to.

We Hate Movies

It's honestly the most menacing he's ever been to me! - Andrew

Matt

Watched this for the first time because of this ep and good god DAMN what a picture!

CJ SWANSON

I assign this film in my intro classes, and the freshmen usually mostly dig it. It's always great to hear Cazale get some appreciation. Also, btw, a "caul" is a portion of amniotic sac covering a baby's head or face at birth. Some babies are born en-caul, when the entire amniotic sac is delivered unbroken with the infant inside, and some traditional cultures, like the Italian benandanti, believed people born with a caul had shamanistic abilities (see Carlo Ginzberg 1966). So I think Harry Caul's translucent raincoat has some more going on symbolically, even if if just suggests a desire to return to the safety and isolation of the womb. Anyway, now that I sound like a pompous asshole, thanks for covering this movie.

RJ Cunningham

At 1:07:50 you can see the glare Andrew is giving Steve and Chris

Brandon

love this flick

Brandon

Also how i treat my therapist

Slappy White

That score sounds so much like the Severance theme at times. It had to inspire it.

Derek Baxter

I am already at the highest tier, but would pay to go up a level if the guys would record a Spawn-mentary but do it all in Gene Hackman’s character.

Ryan Horn

BOKING Accident. Very obscure ref from Stephen.

Phillip

Just starting the episode and realized the missed opportunity to continue the theme month and cover Laverne and Shirley In The Army on Animation Damnation.

Jonathan Lyons

I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TAKE FOR REPRISE OF THE LINE READING. If the movie wasn't great in all these other regards, I would hate it. I argued about that with my film teacher in high school. First time I was called pretentious, which was fair. Like every high schooler that liked movies. I used "cinema" as a word too much. Anyway, I've been talking about that for a long time. If they used the same takes or even just replayed it until it changed in his mind, I don't know. Fuck. Maybe I am still pretentious

Gone

I didn't notice it until the last time I saw it, possibly cause it was at an Alamo screening so it was the first time I saw it on the big screen.

Scott Plackemeier

My sister died in a boating accident in 2006 and I still laugh at the "boking accident" Simpsons line.

Busiris

One huge value to a lot of WLM selections is that I can find new things to appreciate about a good movie. Like for this one, I think it's great. I would say it's a We Like Movies for me. However, hearing the boys mention subtle things I didn't notice or provide interesting theories makes me actually appreciate the movie even more than I did before.

Kate

Eric is on fire in this episode!

Craig

Saw this for the first time in theatres (I’m not that old, it was at a cinema that shows classics). But when the screening was coming up the theatre was showing the original trailer for the movie and it includes that incredible final shot - in full! They just did not care about spoilers in those days.

Zachary Maricondia

Fun fact, the directors office is a ghost mall in downtown SF that used to have an extremely ok cinema (I saw Melancholia there!)

Craig

Did Eric do a Paul Walker to Jennifer Aniston?

Chris Preston

Great episode and great movie!! Saw it in a film class in college. Still love it years later.

Shariq

Never saw this movie but now I will have to check it out. Saw clips of this on YouTube and you’re right — menacing Harrison Ford is really capitulating.

Carlos Ramirez

I’ve thought… 1) David Shire us shy Talia Shire has that last name… he was the original composer to Apocalypse Now but he divorced her and and Coppola’s dad Carmine re recorded it… 2) Garry looks like a confirm with that coat, separating himself from the rest of SF society… 3) Harrison Ford seems like a Smithers to Duvall’s Mr. Burns, 4)Harrison Ford is the most attractive person in the film by a long shot so he might be evil (obviously) 5) And Robert Duvall is also uncredited in another 70s paranoia film… Invasion of the Body Snatchers as a priest on a swing staring at Donald Sutherland and 6) Gardens of Stone was what FCC was filming when his son was killed…epic episode absolutely loved it RIP GENE HACKMAN THE GOAT

Tim Batson

Finally finished this episode, and what an absolute treat! It is so damn good to hear the guys flex their cinema prowess, understanding of storytelling, and celebrity impressions. Thanks for an all-time WLM!

William K. Wolfrum

Watched this movie for the first time and what a delight. I loved the ending as well as the episode!