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Charlotte

Please can I have the context Carl, i.e Where does this statement originate from?

Kerre Brogden

Wow everyone uses this assuming they are then free but no. It's about a person. Great share thankyou. πŸ™πŸ₯°

Charlotte

Propria Persona is surely another legal fiction

Hassan.

Sui juris is the expressed the alien one is implied

Hornseywood - Truth Talk

ok you have all had your input but what does it actually say and mean for you now from doing what we have done? can you see the different interpretation - there are many words and also those words have meanings too, then everything has a meaning as the whole....... I will post it up later alongside the one above...... words in the paragraph: Capacity, One's, Person, Another, Legal guardian, Propria persona, (In his or her 'Own' person).

Dean 1970

To me it means the 1st is in control of self and 2nd to me means if u look after someone else's affairs

Daryl - leonard Tipping

Sui juris is where you want to be, responsible for your own self , Private the man or woman in control of their own jurisdiction, the legal and lawful power to make your own judgement, alien and propia persona leave you open to the legal jurisdiction of others

Daryl - leonard Tipping

They come at you with their lies and fraud, but I got my name in the day of our Lord, It don't matter what they do or say cos I'm sui juris anyway, so relax roll in the clover cos you got your name and it's Game Over.

Andrei

Interesting.

Peter-isaac-francis

From The term can apply in contexts like being the beneficiary of a trust. A sui juris beneficiary has legal standing to enforce the terms of the trust on their own behalf.

Kemit Okobe

This is what I found for the etymology of Incorporation: Incorporation, n. The act of uniting several persons into one fiction called a corporation, in order that they may be no longer responsible for their actions. A, B and C are a corporation. A robs, B steals and C (it is necessary that there be one gentleman in the concern) cheats. It is a plundering, thieving, swindling corporation. But A, B and C, who have jointly determined and severally executed every crime of the corporation, are blameless. [Ambrose Bierce, 1885]πŸ˜¨πŸ˜¨πŸ˜¨πŸ‘πŸ‘

Bill

I asked chat g p t to exsplane this last comment to cement it in my mind hear is it’s answer

Bill

This passage is a satirical take on the concept of incorporation from Ambrose Bierce's work, emphasizing a critical viewpoint on how corporations can act. Incorporation is the process of legally forming a corporation, which is a type of organization recognized by law as a single entity, separate from its owners. This separation means the corporation itself can own assets, incur liabilities, and conduct business, rather than the individuals who own or manage the corporation being directly responsible. Bierce humorously suggests that by forming a corporation, individuals (A, B, and C in his example) can engage in unethical or illegal actions (like robbing, stealing, and cheating) under the guise of the corporation, thereby avoiding personal accountability. The mention of needing "one gentleman in the concern" is a sarcastic way to say that at least one member tries to maintain a facade of respectability, despite being part of unethical activities. Essentially, Bierce criticizes how the structure of corporations can be exploited to shield individuals from the consequences of their actions.

Lee-john

If you are not Sui juris you become a ward of the court (infants and persons of unsound mind). Or you should be β€œin propria persona” In one’s own proper person.