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KRATOM: the LEGAL $13 Gas station POISON | TMT 140 (Patreon)

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For Quack Month Mrs. P investigates the highly addictive gas station drink "Feel Free" that is ruining peoples lives. Starting with the sketchy creator J.W. Ross who discovered this plant while in rehab in Thailand. And ending with Ross changing his name to hide his Felony charges and start the company "Feel Free" and build deep ties to influencers, quacks and perverts thats ultimately lead back to Donald Trump, RFK Jr. and Trad wives.

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0:00 - Intro - Kratom what is it and who's involved?0:39 - Alex's shady trip to buy Kratom3:51 - The Viral TikTok on the horrors of Kratom7:39 - What is Kratom and Feel Free?31:16 - How did felon J.W. Ross Start Feel Free?51:21 - The Past Crimes and Secret Identity of Feel Free Founder54:57 - Behind the Marketing and Quackery1:03:54 - How is Donald Trump, Miss Teen USA and a Trad Wife involved?1:14:51 - Is RFK the Good Guy? Or just wants a cut?1:18:41 - Grift-ception!

Comments

Jessipoot

Omg thank god you’re talking about this. So many people come into the hospital messed up on kratom, and super dependent on it.

Chekhov's Dolphin's are Sentient

I have a close friend that has tried to come off of Kratom over and over again for years now. It has kept him off of crack, but to him off of Kratom now? It's a total beast. I feel for him.

Alex’s Last Braincell, Queef

I can’t listen until tomorrow but I AM SO HAPPY YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS! Kratom, Feel Free, so many LEGAL opioid available in gas stations are ruining people’s lives. Never thought I’d say this but, Monday morning work can’t come fast enough.

Tired_Librarian

I'm with Mrs. P on enjoying the smell of gasoline. Not in the sense of huffing that shit - I don't wanna die. But like she said, it's kinda nice.

Katrina_McBean_Kerfuffle_Kween

Mrs P. I love your Hoagie mouth!!! lol When I started listening I told my girlfriend, Mrs P sounds like that Mark's wife on that show we watch ... Universal Basic Guys. Its a FOX cartoon that centers on two brothers, Mark and Hank Hoagies 🤣😂 (I'm just a west-coast girl who was not in on the joke)

President of the Fishbein Fan Club

You can get the upper/downer combo with certain meds because they attach and then detach from the receptor sites over and over

March

Gasoline smells so good its ridiculous. Like, I know I shouldn't like it. But it's such a nostalgic smell!

Danielle

It’s so so so horrific and so many people have lost their entire lives to it

ImTheProblem

Black dog Coffee Co. In West Virginia is co-owned by the woman who kept kratum powder legal 🙃 you can look them up on PublicSquare if you're curious about the woman who's kept that shit legal on the market for kids! And yes. She is genuinely a bad person, and not just because she's constantly high on kratum.

tach.o

I love the smell of gas you’re not alone Mrs P

Lovexash

I love the smell of gas hahaha.

Lovexash

Not diesel though

Enjoyer_Of_Books

I thought I remembered back in the day it being mentioned that the smell of gasoline has some small aphrodisiac effect. A lot of people say they like the smell of gasoline. Not burning gasoline, but the smell you get when pumping gas or when you open the cap on a cannister of gas when you go to fill up your lawn mower.

PonytailShawtyy

Substance use disorder counselor here 🙋🏼‍♀️ In our treatment center, we pronounce it “kray-tum” and in trainings I have been in, that is what the experts have pronounced it as. The uptick in people seeking treatment for kratom/7OH has been increasing drastically over the past year. It binds to your opioid receptors and the withdrawal is very similar to opioids/hero!n, making it nearly impossible to get off of without medical intervention. DONT DO IT!!!

hothotpot

I say kray-tom because that's how Robert Evans says it and I trust his knowledge of illegal and barely legal drugs lol

K

I just listened to The Big Flop’s episode about John MacAfee before this and I keep forgetting we’re not talking about him!! The parallels are truly WILD 😂😂

Meows Eisley

I came here to make sure Mrs P isn't alone in huffing gas

Jessipoot

lol please not Robert Evans’ encyclopedia of gas station drugs 😭 I mean, at least he’s off the other drugs.

DredgenJedi

Anytime Mrs. P says “shut up,” I’m immediately shutting up.

DredgenJedi

Hey, Robert has done his own research, and Sophie has backed him for years. I will take his word, or at least Sophie’s, over any MAHA influencer.

DredgenJedi

I was not going to before, and I will continue not to after this.

Verity Lala

I love the smell of petrol too, Mrs P!!!!!! That and acetone. Makes me feel kinda weirdly thirsty…

CaughtUp_NowSad

I watched the same TikTok and went down a 7oh rabbit hole.

Get_Mrs_P_Her_Dang_Chickens

I SWORE I heard yall say "goth" influencers. And I was so confused bc there's so many of them. Wasn't until you mentioned trump until I went OH! GOLF! Side note: there should be a no Joe Rogan/Theo Von guarantee like the nazi button lol

Alanna

I’m curious, what is the general demographic of people seeking treatment for kratom? I’d never heard of it before now. I wonder if this is perhaps more of a US-specific issue—based on regulations or lack thereof.

Alanna

Maybe also the US prez, who is more frequently mentioned, should be part of that or it’s own separate guarantee. Just a suggestion.

Moth_Goblin

I told my boss who is addicted to monsters about this feel free drink and she immediately asked me where she could buy it....idk if I inadvertently created a new addict

Cheeks McGee

CRAY-dumb and Crans🖍️🖍️

You’re Doing a Great Job

DaVita mention! I used to work there and it was 😬 I recommend John Oliver’s segment on Dialysis to hear more about DaVita shenanigans

Lauren but NOT the mortician

I think Kendra (who is in love with her psychiatrist) is abusing stimulants, thus her psychosis (allegedly). She’s definitely also the type that would use Kratom.

Cheeks McGee

Mrs. P you are not alone with the gasoline smell- it's not only a common thing people like, it's a pretty popular fragrance note right now

simplebrute

I don't think I've shouted more at an episode over pronunciation 10/10

MandiCakes

Now I wish Assassin’s Anonymous had won the poll even more. Would love to hear Mrs P’s take on the use of The Program in it. I found it very accurate (minus suggestion of mix-gender sponsorship which seems to happen A LOT in books, including the last Book Club) but kind of undermining 😬🤷🏻‍♀️

An autographed photo of Jesus Christ.

I'm not finished with the episode, but this reminds me of the "bath salts" at the gas stations back in the day. Nothing good comes from a gas station. Lol.

on vibes 24_7

I haven’t listened to this yet but can we PLEASE differentiate kratom leaf powder with the industrial waste chemical concoctions sold at gas stations. Leaf powder and properly made extracts are an important, responsibly used tool for MANY in a country where we have little to no functioning healthcare. This feels like a manufactured panic so they can revoke access to non-pharmaceutical treatment options. I’m sure people have addiction issues with it, but whatever is being added to it and how it’s being sold is what’s making the news. The DEA changed course on classifying as a schedule I drug in 2016 because it has been proven to have therapeutic value.

Erin Harris

I thought Mrs. P said "goth influencers" and I was disappointed when I realized she said golf 🖤

JJ Goodbrand

"the other shoe drop" after the TSA rant sent me 😂

An autographed photo of Jesus Christ.

Every episode of quack month I always think of the scene from the 1977 movie Pete's Dragon when Dr Terminus is selling his snake oil to the people of Passamaquaddy.

Pariah Carey

Apparently, kratom isn't approved for human use in Canada so it has to be labeled "not for consumption." I've never seen it here, and my google research is only showing places that sell the leaf powder but no shots. Not that I was going to try it. I have enough problems at the moment.

Necron99

Holy shit, skankfest is still a thing?? 🤣🤣🤣 I used to listen to Q106 (Lansing Michigan hard rock radio station) a lot with all my fellow blue collar drones but I stopped listening to all commercial radio about 15 years ago so I'm kinda out of the loop about that stuff. I remember Q106 doing promotions with local tattoo shops that said stuff like "free tattoos if it says 'Skank' somewhere in the tattoo" I thought for sure that was like a one time thing but apparently it's still going strong hahaha Also, former smoker here, can confirm, quitting just sucks, there's no easy way out, you just gotta do the thing. Good on you, Mr. P! Congratulations on two years!

Potatoes_in_Idaho_aren’t_special

America has enough problems to deal with already. Banning these would be the first & (likely only) good thing that this administration gets done. 🤣

PonytailShawtyy

I would assume it is US-specific based on our lack of regulation around “supplements” and that kind of marketing, but I am unsure! I work in an affluent, very white suburb of a city in the south. The majority of my clientele are white, upper-middle to high-class, middle-aged men. I have several right now who are in specifically for kratom/7OH (most of them struggled with opiates prior.) it’s advertised everywhere here. What’s REALLY concerning is that their teenagers have easy access in more rural gas stations/vape shops that don’t ID. Apparently it’s very popular with high schoolers before games/practices and they equate it to a Monster energy drink. What I have also found is you either know all about it or you don’t know anything about it. When someone is sharing that their drug of choice is kratom, I get a lot of “what the hell is that?” from other clients. I could go on and on. It’s a hill I will gladly die on!!!

shelse

I want to pronounce it Kray-tomb. I don't know why. Mr. Shelse wants people to know there is an actual approved drug to help alcoholics quit and handle detox, and there is another for opioid addiction. This is just like the lowest of the low kind of scam.

shelse

MRS. P! They still do the whole massage thing and experience at the Aveda salons in my city in Canada. I knew you were talking about Aveda salons.

Desantis’s.Sleep.Paralysis.Demon.

My brain is fried by being boomed so hard. This is the best quack 🦆 episode. Like as a service industry person I’ve done a lot of shit but Kratom is a hard pass

Helen_like_Keller_not_DeGeneres

As a pharmacy tech in a hospital OR pharmacy, I can confirm that we still have - and use, cocaine. (In a liquid form) We have vials of it. I have a picture of one because nobody ever believes me. it’s used for sinus surgery because it opens everything up.

An Earth Worm Having A Seizure

I don’t like the smell of gasoline, but I do like the smell of paint. (istg I’m not huffing paint)

Rachel O'Malley

Commented on YouTube but now here. Kratom is also known as khat and I lived in the Middle East and this stuff is awful. People used to chew it allllll day. Like nasty little cuddle puddles. Like alcoholics a la Angela’s Ashes, spending all family money on this stuff. Other countries don’t grow food because they all grow khat. Of coarse the US wasn’t going to let that stand. Let’s bottle it! Also the ground used to be littered with Mountain Dew and this particular hair tonic bottles. Muslim countries will find some way to get turnt too!

Mally_and_the_concrete_duckies

Every time Mr P makes fun of Mrs P for how she says crayon, I feel so confused because she says it more correctly than I do. She at least has an o in there, my pronunciation is somewhere between "cran" and "cray-Anne". This is not the example you think it is, bro.

Mally_and_the_concrete_duckies

VIRAGO? The app to schedule your hair appointments is called VIRAGO? As in the word that means both "a loud and foul tempered woman" and "a woman of great stature, strength, and courage" aka "a woman who demonstrates abundant masculine virtues"? That app is essentially named Bitch-or-Butch.

Sara_the_Bookworm

Calling back to the Michigan thing -- if I could bottle the smell of docking at Mackinac Island I'd make perfume or a candle or something. The diesel gas from the catamaran, lilac, sugar from the all the fudge shops and underlying it all horse manure. It is such a distinct mix of smells and I have such nostalgia for it.

Spanky Funker

I do lowkey love the smell of gasoline

Soup.4.The.Pearlmans

Honestly, I’d love a deep dive on BCBS. Especially IL since it sponsors the Cubs. Working as a claims person, I can’t STAND BCBS IL.

shelse

I think we need an episode on Ignaz Semmelweis, not because he was a quack but because he was bullied until he was institutionalized for suggesting doctors should maybe wash their hands between autopsies and births. The Semmelweis reflex explains a whole lot about our current never-ending wave of illness after illness, and also why y'all keep washing your hands for a virus that's airborne

That_Wokelahoman_Teacher

This is a very strange time to hold credentials in herbal medicine (thanks Canada). 🇨🇦 Between Feel Free and methylene blue, I’m over it (and MAHA TBH). As someone who actually went to school for this, the false health claims are absolutely enraging. Fun fact: Extended kava use often causes hepatotoxicity, and your liver just sort of gives up. Kratom is not considered therapeutic within western herbalism or herbology.

SpencerSomehowKnows

Someone I worked with one time defended drinking Kratom tea at work by saying "it's legal" and I was like "so is alcohol but you can't drink that at work..."

Desantis’s.Sleep.Paralysis.Demon.

At this point give me quaaludes and original coca-cola and call it a day. 😂 at least my adhd will chill the fuck out while the world is crumbling around us.

Pearlmania500

A can of duster is legal, so huffing at work is also cool 😎 perfect logic

The Mailman

AS AN OHIOAN I...don' take umbrage with any slander towards our state....it sucks

No_list_in_ba_sing_se

Considering I used to play that beanboozled game absolutely I would

recreational_hugs

I grew up in farm country OH, and we had a D.A.R.E rep come to my 4th grade class and one of the examples of addiction they gave was huffing gas. My whole class had a melt down because we liked the smell of gas and we thought we were drug addicts. Kids were in tears. They had to send a letter home to parents, it was a whole thing. But nothing is more Ohio that a classroom full of kids who love a little gasoline.

Witch Of The Waste

I always thought it was pronounced Kray-tum so we’re probably all wrong. I’m glad for this episode tho bc that shit scares tf out of me. Unfortunately my mom is taking all these bizarre supplements, including that blue dye stuff and there’s no getting through to her. SOS

SwampAstronaut

Mrs. P watching TikToks on an iPad and ending up on heroinTok sounds like the start of a 90s sitcom episode where they cover addiction.

HereForTheJillSteinBeef

My [boomer] mom never misses a chance to tell us “if you like how gas smells today you should have smelled it when it was still leaded 🤤” always with a little too much joy

devin

i am dying to know the history of how supplements are so unregulated

✨Sparkling Misandry✨

Ohhh I love an Aveda spa. I went to one for years because it was the only place I could find that would actually deal with my long hair instead of trying to talk me into cutting it off. I still miss the Sap Moss shampoo smell (are they making that again? I need to get me some) I actually know more than one person who is prescribed opioids for a chronic pain condition and uses kratom to potentiate or enhance the effect of the opioid so they can get by on taking less of it. Seems like a truly legitimate use to me. Also ,gasoline smells delicious.

devin

like surely something sold to be ingested into your body should at least be held to the same standards as regular food, right?

Red Moon

So I have a crazy story about Kratom. So I went to my local vape shop because I was getting vape shit about 8 years ago (i don’t do that shit anymore due to this story lol) and like this employee was HARD PUSHING kratom pills on me to the point he gave me 5 for a free sample with my vape juice order. He’s like “it’s gonna stop any pains, and just make you feel better.” I was like hard side eying them. I wasn’t a perfect person to my body, I smoked cigarettes, weed, and became an alcoholic. I also like experimented with Vicodin a few times but that wasn’t my thing so it was a short experiment (been 4 years sober from weed and alcohol tho) the employee put the five pills in a sandwich bag and put it in the bag with my vape shit but like I was like “girl I never heard of this shit” I looked it up when I got home and I was like OH BIG YIKES N O P E I threw them the fuck out. I chose to not put that in my body despite having a substance issue but the problem I had with that experience is how I was almost pushed into another addiction. It was gross and predatory as fuck. At least my cig/weed/alch shit was my own issue I wasn’t pressured at all for those but I wonder how many people got addicted to kratom because of that one employee. I decided I was gonna not vape anymore after that experience though cause I wasn’t gonna go back there.

Red Moon

That part reminded me when I found out about tweaker nation which is the internets meth scene and kinda deep dived into learning about them lmaooo

annoyedinthevoid

It's a weird time for other Kendras out there. It's me. It's weird to be a Kendra right now

maxton

Cray-dum

Sadsnailclub

I would pronounce it *kray cum*

S•P•Q•R

I know both of them often say Mrs. P has a hoagie mouth, but goddamn, the way she says, what I figured out fron context must be, “golf”… I 100% thought she found a “goth influencer” but with blonde hair and big boobs, something didn’t line up. Then talking about the goth channel, suddenly I remembered she suffers from hoagie mouth

Short_Range_Attack_Chicken

It was a radio contest in Sacramento CA Hold your Wee for a Wii and a 28 year old mother won the contest and died shortly after when she fell asleep, slipped into a coma and died at home because of Water intoxication. I actually listening to the radio and tried to call them and warn about the risks. I couldn’t reach them because the line was busy probably I wasn’t the only one who were calling nurses actually was able to get hold of the station told them the risks. It was a part of the lawsuit that how I found out others had actually reached the radio station. It was so sad so many people tried to prevent her death but the radio station didn’t listen. It happened in 2007 the radio station was 107.9 the End.

J Peterson

FRONT PAGE OF TODAY'S INQUIRER!!!

Rilesthelion

Mr P I know you are working on your lighting for camera etc. And wanted to share some suggestions I think may help. Your inclination to go to a warm tone background and create depth with the blue as well is correct and does tie into your show graphic. However I think the yellow is causing a sallow tone reflecting on your skin. I would suggest a warm tone brown with a green undertone for a background, it will really complement your hair and skin tone. If you can add maybe a cork board with the yellow post-it and the too-many tabs logo along with your socials handle and maybe hidden “stickers” or photos to different episodes all the more fun. For your lighting you need a warm tone coming in but most importantly I think the lighting on you should be using a diffuser from kind of just above your head/sightline. I also suggest adding depth by having a small lamp in the background, keep some shadows in to make it cozy. This podcast is a conversation you and Mrs P are inviting us into. This guy on YouTube is really great and helped me get some great promo shots light for my theater group with little resources https://youtu.be/zFqAo7Ic538

Fall_Babe

I like the smell of gasoline! But not how the smell sticks to my hands, because then people look at me weird 🤷‍♀️

✨Sparkling Misandry✨

If you want to have some fun learning about kratom, kava, or any prescription drug, legal/illegal substance, vitamin, or other weirdness known to humankind, check out the Erowid vaults. Put your browser on private first, trust me

Theresa Meador

My coworker’s mom was addicted to opioids, got probation for stealing Vicodin for her MIL. She went to Kratom shortly after… they had to have an intervention. Anyways, she is back on painkillers.

Cherry_Vanilla_Coke_Supremacy

I miss when my haircuts were $25. After Covid suddenly everyone here is charging $45 for the same haircut 😭. That doesn’t even include cutting/trimming facial hair, or anything else. Just cutting the hair on your head.

Cherry_Vanilla_Coke_Supremacy

Gas at the gas station smells good. Driving back home after filling a gas can that seems to have dripped or dribbled I don’t love

feral_non-binary_autistic

So I have recently introduced you guys to a couple of friends....this episode because a friend asked me if I knew what kava was today she was thinking of taking it n I was like maybe listen to this podcast first. The other friend was stuck in the car for 3.5hrs with me and the book club episode for the Harriet Tubman book had just come out the week before. We all LOVE Mrs. P's n Mr. 3rd's giggles.

Its_Amada_NOT_Amanda

Idk if it'll help but maybe mention some Methylene Blue products are carcinogens and it's used in medical fields to preserve and dye cytology samples. I'm in veterinary nursing school and we were just going over it in clinical pathology when Mr. P first brought up RFK Jr. using it.

Its_Amada_NOT_Amanda

I'd love for Dr. Mike to be on one of these quack month episodes. Maybe a deep dive into how the supplement industry got so unregulated.

Mrs._P's_Slug_Tongs

I know so many people that specifically enjoy the smell of gasoline, but I'm also in a pocket of redneck heaven in Ontario so maybe it's more about that

AphillyatedJawn215

Devils Juice , Devils Lettuce , Deviled eggs....sounds to me like Ole Luci knows how to have a good time 😂😈

GinaBoBina

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. We somehow got 2 broken clocks in this episode, and that's all I'm going to say. 🫣🤣

GinaBoBina

I used to work in a hospital pharmacy and we had to keep it there. It had to be ordered and was basically treated like a prescription. I'm so surprised that methylene blue is readily available to the public.

listening_at_an_actual_federal_institution

gasoline smells wonderful. im a chemist and i get excited to work with hexane bc it smells so similar to gas and it smells so good 😭 also f kratom and other addictive things that kids can easily obtain

President of the Fishbein Fan Club

I was just listening to the Hetty Green episode again, and Mrs. P tells everyone not to do Kratom during the Hey Huns! 🤯

Alex Pearlman is lame

Not me sitting outside of “Cava” while listening to this lol. I had no idea what it was. I’m just here for the donut shop next door.

Michelpy

No it’s called Vagaro 😂😂😂 my barber husband uses it for his barbershop

Tri-sarah-tops

I’ll get on the island with Mrs p on the smell of gas… reg gas nice.. diesel not good

Tri-sarah-tops

I say thank you to Alexa all the time

Queen Sheila

I work in healthcare as an RN, and Kratom is awful; there is no antidote, you have to strap patients to the bed and ride it out. I had to put a Foley catheter in him because he wasn't peeing, but I couldn't get it in because he clenched his urethra down so hard and was so out of his mind that he couldn't follow directions and had no idea what was happening around him.