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Indigo, Cotton, and Exploitation: The history of Sydney Sweeney's Jeans | TMT 154 (Patreon)

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When Sydney Sweeney said "Jeans are not Controversial" Mrs. P had to investigate and what she found was astounding. From Sydney Sweeneys stalling career, to her plans with Geoff Bezos,  to the origins of Jeans in India, Britain, America. And how they were touched by the republic of Genoa, the British Ra, East India Trading Company, Mahatma Gandhi, and the prison industrial complex. And then of course back to Sydney Sweeneys GQ interview.

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0:00 Intro - What does the Board Say?0:56 - Sydney Sweeney's GQ Interview and Failing Career14:52 - Mrs. P's Hot Take on Sydney Sweeney21:42 - The Origins of Blue Jeans Starting with the Color Blue33:54 - The Indigo Revolt's and the East India Trading Company40:42 - (Sydney Sweeney is Geoff Bezos's Third?)47:35 - Mahatma Gandhi Gets Involved52:52 - Italian Design of the Blue Jean58:34 - Levi's Jeans1:06:23 - Jeans are Made of Cotton and it's Dark History1:17:51 - Conclusion - Blue Jeans are Not Controversial

Comments

DredgenJedi

Well, this should be interesting.

AYAZUKI Yugi (綾月 遊戯)

So Mrs P mentioned that indigo was grown and used in China which reminded me that my Japanese budo equipment uses Japanese indigo for that dye and it's nearly black. And it smells almost like smokey. It's very characteristic. And it rubs off super easily. I'm always blue in places after practice.

Almanac_Gossip_Girl

Finally, someone to explain the Sydney Sweeney jeans controversy to me

GoblinMom

I'm permanently banned from twitter since musky bought it. Unless I'm willing to delete a specific tweet

Jamie Hawkins

Completely off topic. I’m listening while grocery shopping. I live about 30 mins from San Antonio, TX. 2 guys see each other across HEB and yell “GO BIRDS!”

Short_Range_Attack_Chicken

Wondering how is it that your computer doesn’t take a dump with that many tabs open!! I don’t know the exact amount of tabs that were open but clearly to make this episode it took an epic amount of tabs!! 😅

Ant

CO lowered the flags for Dick 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Ariella Wheeler

I mean, Sydney Sweeny also did a dogshit job at being interviewed. It was like pulling teeth to get her to say more than a word or two, and to be deadass honest, she doesn't sound as if she has much of a grasp on rhetoric, or even the English language in general, ostensibly the only language she speaks.

Exhausted_Millenial

Knowing the pearlmans are Halsey fans makes me love them even more.

Mad Mads Kasperagus

The data center was not in Nebraska, thankfully. Though McCook has been having protests against the ICE detention center opening up there. Most of us aren't happy about it.

Mad Mads Kasperagus

Same here in Nebraska, since he was from Lincoln. I've been annoyed at it 😤

AYAZUKI Yugi (綾月 遊戯)

And speaking of Japanese blues, there was a specific shade of blue that was reserved for the Samurai class and the rising merchant class said "fuck you" and created 1 bazillion new shades of blue and thats why Japanese Clothes have so many shades of blue.

SwampAstronaut

Sydney Sweeney is only famous because she showed her boobs in a show lead by a black woman and a trans woman. WOKE.

Lovexash

You lost the game.

✨Hot Marta✨

I feel like in the Patreon, we should have an uncensored version, for funsies lol

Nikki Ann

$70 for jeans?! I remember back in the 90s going to Dots and buying a full outfit for $50 to include jeans, shirt, belt and under pantaloons. I still refuse to spend over $20 on pants which is why I now live in leggings.

Almanac_Gossip_Girl

What he calls "dad mode" I call my autism - hate buying new shoes or clothes if they're not the exact same pair 😭

Sage The Trans Goddess 🏳️‍⚧️

I love how one of the first episodes of the podcast is all about 4chan and its such an awful place that Mrs.P put that entire episode into the brain vault and locked it tight.

fragilem1lk

(To the tune of The Cheese Tax) The board's back! The board's back! You gotta bring the board back Every time you podcast When the board comes out Shit's gonna get real The cards are the cards And the facts are the facts And when the topic's modern Bring the board back The board's back! The board's back!

fragilem1lk

Not to mention, she just looks like an asshole the entire time, despite their best efforts to dress her up as someone who is chill and "just like us". It's weird because the facial features she has could look friendly, but she chooses to pull a RBF instead.

Michelpy

Mr. P, you being mutuals with Bob the Drag Queen is the same as His Name Was Dusk following me back on insta yesterday. I have no idea why he did that but I’m excited as hell anyway lmfao 😂💖

Michelpy

Gotdamn do I miss dots.

CheeseDizMilk

Three things happen during this episode that made me tear laugh! Mrs. P bursting out " SALAMI" ---- literally died!! Second; Mr. P complaining about 70 dollars jeans as Mrs. P continue to talk about jeans. I couldn't help but die of laughter Third: Im super impress you didnt dig up the controversy about Anderson Cooper mother or grandma having a big part of the jean franchise and development. Cooper has old jean moneyyyyyy

Sophie the Bisexual Political Scientist

Listen—I think I speak for all the parents here when I say I listen to TMT to get AWAY from Ms Rachel’s rainbow song (no disrespect to Ms Rachel we stan)

StarlightDancer

Hooooo boy this episode is RIGHT up my alley as a seamstress and textile history buff. I have several thoughts: 1. My grandma once wrote a letter to Levi's thanking them for their quality jeans because they saved my aunt from getting badly hurt by a feral dog. (And also possibly saved her from rabies) The jeans prevented the teeth from breaking the skin and gave her enough protection until my uncle was able to get it off her. 2. The reason why denim today seems like it isn't as strong as vintage jeans is because most companies now add spandex or elastic into the blend of the fabric. While this gives a little bit of stretch and ease, it also reduces the integrity of the fabric. This is most likely why the old testament says not to wear cloth of blended fibers. Because different fibers have different tensile strengths and need to be cleaned differently. 3. To make your jeans last longer, do not wash them unless they are visibly dirty. The original Levi jeans came with care instructions that essentially said to just spot clean them. When you do need to wash them, flip them inside out so that the top of the fabric stays nice and doesn't fade as quickly. And DON'T PUT THEM IN THE DRYER. Hang them to dry instead. The heat from the dryer breaks down those elastic fibers and makes the fabric wear down faster. (Do the same thing for bras and lacy lingerie, just hang dry). You don't need to do this outside, I just hang everything up above the washer and it dries overnight. 4. Orphans were used in the factories because their tiny hands and arms meant that they could fit them into the complex spinning machines and looms. This also meant that they were often maimed or killed if they got caught and couldn't pull their arms out. 5. Ironically, it was a fire in a shirt waist factory that spurred the labor rights movement in England and brought about the end of child labor. Look up "triangle shirt waist fire" for more info.

Elizabeth Staples

Wrangler Jeans were first made by the Blue Bell Overall Company, who mid 1940s employed Jewish Polish tailor Bernard Lichtenstein ("Rodeo Ben") (seriously this guy is from just outside Warsaw) and he is in western US making cowboy jeans so much he gets an iconic nickname and secures Wranglers as the brand for Horse Girlies for more than a half century +

maxton

I listened to the last 15 minutes in 2x because my commute was almost over, and I just wanna say Mr. P doing a British accent in 2x is the funniest thing I've ever heard.

Elizabeth Staples

On point 2 I think it’s worth letting people know in US they can check labels (and online shopping check details) for material info. Which will have percentages and tell you how much cotton is mixed with spandex or Elastane (which sometimes listed as brand name Lycra) or in case of most AE jeans recycled Polyester and/or viscose. (Found some wild labels on their site where I question is that even jeans or just blue trousers)

Elizabeth Staples

Ended up being an unintentional savvy Sci fi nod to linguistic drift. Imagine a bunch of Americans adopting Mandarin but it’s been learned via apps with little to no input from native speakers or with an odd regional bias, could easily end up just as incomprehensible. For a longtime since Canton (now Guangdong) was the major port transporting to the west Chinese was synonymous with Cantonese, even though more people spoke Mandarin.

Elizabeth Staples

PearlBabia came and it was erased from her brain permanently

Alex and Rachel Trautman

For anyone that likes My Hero Academia, Best Jeanist mentions the Illegal Denim. Now you know what he was talking about. Russian jeans 🤣🤣🤣. Also, if you've never seen My Hero Academia, you should at least look up the design on Best Jeanist. You won't be disappointed.

rocksand

One of my fave parts of TMT is how random epsiodes that air months apart somehow end up tying in together. I listened to the Harriet Tubman story report right after listening to this new episode and in both of them Mr. P talked about the British using US slave labor for cheap cotton, which I didn't know about and SOMEHOW never once came up in my public Alabama education 🫠

StarlightDancer

Yes! One of my favorite "games" while shopping online is guessing if super expensive name brand clothes are just made out of polyester. I don't care how "nice" or "well made" the fabric is. It's plastic. There is NO WAY you can justify charging $100+ for plastic clothes. It's also why I've started to try and make more of my own clothes so I have more control over the source of the fabric and the quality of the finished piece.

rocksand

Also I feel like for context sake, y'all should know that in Alabama schools they take elementary age kids to local cotton fields and make them pick cotton in the heat for like 30 minutes then say "yea this sucks huh?" 🙃

Rockstache

Quick note (late to the party), the purple dye made from FERMENTED snail corpses smelled so bad that women were allowed to request divorces from their husbands if the men were making this dye. I watched a video starring the actor who played the original Holly on Red Dwarf as hehe made this she with a reenactor, and the dude almost puked from the smell. If you don't know what Red Dwarf is, it's fucking great.

Bobo's Toes

I don't believe Sweeny is intelligent enough to plan any of this. It's an accidental grift she's leaning into since the whole, "Guys, it's my mom's birthday..." response.

jessimightpanic

I need to know what Alex said about Sir Topham Hatt.

Des :)

“everything is political” yes. i’m in oklahoma sadly & one of our teachers was fired & lost her license over giving her students a QR code to find the banned books if they wanted to. she is now suing our state!! (as she should) & for the press conference she was wearing a shirt that said “education is activism”. & i personally believe & agree with that. however… our 50th in education red ass state karen’s were all losing their shit over her shirt saying “politics has no place in the classroom”….. & im like girllll where are they supposed to be then?😭 this podcast helps me not go insane in this state.

shelse

This topic hits like so many of my special interests. Business Insider does some really amazing docs on traditional/expensive/dying products. They do an episode on indigo and another on the purple dye from snails. I'm also a knitter. Fabric/textiles are so phenomenal as a tool to study and understand so much about human social structures and politics. Man. I have never loved you two more. I am just like 😍 Everything is political, and it allllllways goes back to the British being greedy fucks.

Lightly Mothered

My favorite Spanish (Mexican) version of the “blue jeans” is Firulais (feeroolice) which is used to refer to dogs in Spanish. It allegedly comes from immigrants bringing their dogs over to the US and being asked if the dogs are “free of lice”

✨️chiropractor_killed_my_dad✨️

In my former life I was a pastry chef and bread baker. The amount of times I had the awful pleasure of explaining to people why white sugar is not vegan AND the difference between unbleached flour and bleached flour is literally the ingredient BLEACH....the number does not exist. Which would then lead me into my 'white supremacy is literally in everything, even your food' rant.

shelse

Capitalism is just rebranded fuedalism/serfdom

a_bitch_named_sam

The verbal "ew" that fell from my mouth after hearing "Sydney Sweeney is the third (wife)" was so loud the girl next to me at the gym looked over and asked me "what's ew?" And I had to tell her. She said "yeah that's ew". Anyway, you're welcome for a new listener!

Lisa Paglicci

You awakened a memory for me: in high school we learned about indigo farming A LOT and how brutal it was. This includes cotton, sugarcane, and any other spice the English killed for but decided not to use in their recipes. To say there is no controversy with these things (jeans, diamonds, opium, etc.) is like saying “there is no war in Ba Sing Se.” NOTHING IS WITHOUT CONTROVERSY!

Omniclient

I'm a GM for a Baskin-Robbins and around the same time that the jeans ad was happening, the brand did a collaboration with Sydney for the whole month of July to push her favorite flavor Rainbow Sherbet and sell a reusable plastic cup with Gummi Bears on it. The signature food items were a double scoop of sherbet in a chocolate dipped waffle cone with gummi bears on a top, or a blended drink made with sherbet and Starry also with gummi bears on top. Why are you putting gummi bears on top of a drink with a lid on it?? The commercial made her look unhinged and included her like... Sneaking into a BR in the middle of the night to eat sherbet. Having her face on the front window advertising a CLASSIC FLAVOR WE'VE HAD FOREVER definitely did not drive more traffic to our store.

Arlo the Average

I was really waiting for the cerulean monologue from Devil Wears Prada