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[PUBLIC EPISODE] The Wizard, the Witch and the Wild One: ep021 “The Taboo of Passage" (Patreon)

Published:
2024-01-30 14:34:54
Edited:
2024-03-06 19:37:34
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2026-06
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Mom's home.

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We are

Brennan Lee Mulligan

Erika Ishii

Aabria Iyengar

Lou Wilson

Produced, designed, and scored by Taylor Moore  at Fortunate Horse with exquisite design and editing help from Jared Olson.

SPECIAL THANKS TO: Tazer Army, Shannon, and Amanda Freberg.

Album art by the great Corey Brickley

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Comments

Rosie

Given that it’s 12:40am here I should go to sleep… but I guess that’s not going to happen

Tibor L

Good morning! What a lovely way to start the day🥰

John

Time to step away from the mundane for a bit

Kalunyx

Tell me why I've been refreshing since 6:30am (9:30 now) 😂 got spoiled with the early fireside drop!

Jessie Harris

Time for my BiMonthly re listen to all of the Wizard the Witch and the Wild One!

Rebecca McCormic

I love that this drops before my commute to work!

Audge

TAYLOR! What do the organs mean!!! Why the villain music!!

Arien Crossby

I'm halfway through and the vibes are BAD I am so stressed 😥

Jamie Gobking

I'm not finished with the episode and I don't know if she's bad or not but honestly I don't care I am hella gay for the wizard Slate

Michelle Spurgeon

I was so worried that somehow our friends were going to be the targets of these arrests 😬 I'm honestly surprised and proud of Ame that we didn't immediately rush into the situation.

Cameron Battagler

I'm two minutes in, and those organs gave me the best goosebumps. Some Toccata and Fugue vibes hitting haaaaard

The Quiet Footpath

Screaming that Suvi didn't figure out why the deputy didn't acknowledge her.

Julie

The beauty of the shield has me feeling everything today!

Mark van Dijken

the shield, the SHIELD, so amazingly beautiful, it made me tear up

Kai Calvert

This is why I’m glad I work in an isolated office because some Tuesday mornings I’m just out here crying in the workplace listening to a podcast’s description of a tree on a shield 😭

Kristin Higginbotham

The idea that it’s just the span of time keeping Eursulon and Kalaya apart in the Tower of the Glove breaks me 😭

RuviGaPo

Yay happy tuesday ♡♡♡♡ i missed this ♡♡

Val

WAIT DID AABRIA AND ERIKA SWITCH OFF AT THE INTRO?

Blades Dragonic

We need an offical artist to draw Eursulon’s painting please 😭

bitterbaldguy

Good lord! I need a book for this setting! Wednesday used to be my favorite day to watch Dimension 20 but Tuesday has quickly become my new fav!

Amy Elizabeth Reinhart

Entire shield sequence was a slow beautiful build to me in tears at my desk. Just heart-meltingly gorgeous

Beanedict Cumbfurbatch

Spoilers for the very final scene: Any other heraldry nerds here get a little extra dose of joy from that scene?

Jennifer Sieben

The organs as the imperium ships flew in!!! I haven't thought of Ranger Rick in ages, but I used to get those from the library and pour over them with my sisters. What a sudden flashback. The ending has me very curious about how lingering magic works in this world. Here is magic left behind for Eursulon, and Suvi was able to cast the spell without having it release. My imagination is swirling with possibilities. Also exciting to see the first wizard with a non-S name!

Michelle

The scoring this episode was absolutely exceptional. I had to rewind some parts just so I could focus on the music! While I'm always impressed by and deeply treasure the cast's storytelling abilities, I'm consistently shook by how Taylor's work keeps getting richer. Absolute chef's kiss

Simon

I think the wizard that didn’t look at Suvi must be a spirit in deep cover in the Empire and Suvi’s charm is doing what it did to Orima - preventing them from seeing her.

Simon

Loooove the Empire’s organ theme!

Grant Blanks

I’m not seeing e21 on Overcast or YouTube. Good on Apple Podcasts. Me problem or more?

MeltedMochi

I’m so nervous about Ame walking on paths. Didn’t even cross my mind because I assumed wizards didn’t drive 😭

xatlern

Was that d10 of inspiration from his sister?? Oh *now* I'm crying 😭

John Kendall

Will you eventually be sharing character sheets? I've always been a little curious, but when Lou said "We're making level 10 moves with level 2 stats" it just really piqued my curiosity again; especially with the unique ability score rolling system you all used for the children's adventure. I'm curious to see how things shook out.

Matt Hartt

Yeah I can't figure out how their passive skills are so high

Matt Hartt

Scenes like that just remind me why Brennan is the very best in the game

Witpending

Sound off if you also cry every episode

John Kendall

I recall Ame and/or Suvi took Observant. So their passive Perception/Investigation will be inflated. I believe Suvi has expertise from somewhere though I don't recall where she put it.

val

suvi and ame both have the observant feat, which adds a +5 bonus to passive perception and investigation, as well as a +1 to wisdom

val

Se know that Suvi will not be receiving permission to go on their upcoming quest and leave the citadel, and I imagine this will be a recurring problem in the future. As she is now, would Suvi be willing to jeopardize her position and relationship with the citadel for the sake of her friends?

lunarsummer

ORGAN MUSIC?! That's so badass gah!!

Samantha

My heart at the end of this episode with Eursulon and his shield 🥺❤️💙

annemjw

Mine is on overcast, so may be something at your end

WizardScorch

wow. just wow. i genuinely feel blessed to be able to hear this story. its probably the most beautiful world building ive ever heard & my favorite story of all time. you guys are true wizards/witches of story telling! thank you for sharing this world with us

WizardScorch

ohhhh wooowww!!! i didnt even think of that!

DeeDee

Such a beautiful episode that had me incredibly tense throughout. 10/10

The King of House Cabraescuro

What will it cost to animate this series? Like, where's the Kickstart? I need to see Steel's reactions in real time 🤣

Charlie

Very cool ep. VERY excited for the Eursolon/tower shield fan art.

Charlie

Tue - WBN Wed - D20 Thu - D20AP Getting us through the week in this dreary january

Erika Iverson

As a protective older sister the closing moments of this episode made me weep

Kimberly W

My interpretation of that comment was that the intensity and complexity of the story feels appropriate for level 10 characters that have been engaged in the world for a long time, so only being level 2 makes everything more overwhelming and increases the stakes even more. The story is happening whether they're prepared to face it or not!

Cristo Gato

Eursulon: The Lone Tower

Brandon Carbaugh

Just once I wanna hear Lou hop in the intro as a little surprise. "This is the sound of worlds BEYOND NUMBER" in full-throated Jimmy Kimmel voice.

Sil

Oooh, gave me a slight shiver b/c I was thinking of "The Tower" tarot card

Sil

Music score has me cold flushed with my heartbeat in my ears and about to pounce... DAMN IT, Taylor!!

Sil

Also, mad scramble to work out what the Sapphire and the silver plate will ACTUALLY bring/summon Ame off to is gonna do my head in this arvo

Joshua

20 minutes in. This music is giving me all the anxiety. Well done Taylor!

WizardScorch

i would also like to just appreciate the conversation between fox & ame about being scared & in a trap. i cant even conjure a word to explain how it made me feel? it was full of love & vulnerability but also eery foreshadow vibes or something idk

Morgan Belcher

please someone explain to me how i have such big feelings for a talking fox. i adore that little guy and his big mind

Rachel B.

This is the most beautiful wonderful breathtaking story I have ever experienced

Meonlights

God the music is absolutely INTENSE today. The big church-y organs coming in with the Imperium's forces and soldiers, the opressive and worrying music while the heroes try to figure out what is going on... man it's so good!!!

Elliot Gorny

You can't keep making me weep on the commute to work guys.

Matthew

Yo. Yes. Need to see.

Matthew

I said it when the previews were the only info we had and nothing has changed my mind yet: I have DEEP respect for Lou, Aabria, and Erika, but the fox is my guy.

Finn

THE PIPE ORGAN, TAYLOR

Danny Roldan

I just realized that Eursulon gets both his sword AND shield from his two best friends 🥹

Karen

The way to a librarian's heart: discuss the power of an index. Chef's kiss, Aabria.

Sil

Taking a moment to revisit the apt choice of terrifying music for the terrifying law enforcement scenes. The explanation of the arrogance trained into them under the guise of "safety," to be able to be violent without fear of punishment was expertly done, Brennan. A perfect job of explaining how most of the world think/ hear about the US as well.

Thimo The Fool

There is nothing like this that whisks me away so completely, once Brennan starts describing the world in the opening paragraphs This is story and you people producing it are near and dear to my heart and I cannot wait to see how this is all gonna shake out

Casey Furtado

Yessss I thought that too! How curious!!!

The Wizard Snoop

I wonder why Ame didn't name-check the wizard sly when talking to steel?

Beignet Gesserit

Alert for LA fans - Brennan and Izzy have an improv show coming up on 2/25 at Dynasty Typewriter

Matt Kilsby

It seemed deliberate - maybe she was concerned it could somehow get him in trouble down the line?

The Wizard Snoop

Certainly seemed so, wonder if this'll have any implications moving forward or not

Zack Brasfield

Can somebody explain what Brennan is saying about the Taboo of Passage and how that is effecting things?

Elizabeth Boskey

I caught up! I love this story so much, and I caught up. I made so much pottery while listening to my favorite storytellers. 😍😍😍

Pidge Wilhelm

My guess is if steel knew the source and saw such as invalid or lacking of certainity than they could just wipe away the concern of urgency

Jack Jones

At this risk of being a gushing fanboy this podcast is one of my favorite pieces of fantasy fiction I think ever, I love the attention to detail that the world has and how well the players characters interface with the setting and of course the sound design just elevates the whole experience! Great job to the entire team i look forward to each episode so much!!!

Rafael C

In my understanding, the Taboo of Passage is meant to communicate the weight/importance/power that the ability to move, as simple as it may be, holds over the concept of freedom – and specially how it affects the social dynamics in Umora (and irl), with it being weaponized through the creation of borders, which make movement(passage) scarce, in order to take freedom away. And I think the Taboo of Passage may not only express how essential the act of movement is for the existence of freedom (and therefore how it can be interfered with in order to create these societal dynamics of control); I also think [the Taboo of Passage] communicates how the act of movement/passage is essential to living in general, how it permeates and dictates our lives and existence, as we've seen time and time again with Eursulon being wayshadowed from the spirit world, with Naram being trapped under guild mage Morrow's apparatus, with the spirits being trapped in the Kasov(/Cassauv?) Collection, and now with Ame being [perhaps somewhat intentionally?] trapped in the Citadel.. but also in more neutral ways, like when Grandma Wren said (/expressed a similar opinion to the phrase) "An Open Door Is An Invitation", and when she told Ame about the road, and how by stepping on it – from what I gathered – she was also becoming somewhat vulnerable to what the world had to offer, for better or for worse. Anyway, I may be completely missing the point, but from what I know of mr Lee Mulligan's acollades and capabilities, I wouldn't put it past him to be able to feature this amount of knowledge through a story filled with just as much wonder.

Rafael C

(I also wrote what I wrote in the second paragraph because I believe the other Taboo that Brennan mentioned had something to do with rest, energy or sleeping, which is also just as essential to one's existence as movement is – and can therefore also be weaponized if it's made to be scarce.)

samecontent

This episode is giving me like Warhammer 40K vibes of the citadel being like Mars' relation to the god emperor. Especially since a lot of newer games based in the universe also have that grand organ music. And dear god, are the music cues in this episode were just stellar. The tension and release of this episode. Everybody is just fire in this. Weird side note: I'm not seeing this episode on YouTube yet. Listened elsewhere, but was just confused for a bit by the link.

Bree Manahan

Just full on weeping as Eursulon is painting his shield.

Rebecca Chapin

The organ music! I was so stressed! It was great! The whole episode was great! You guys are great! God I love this series so much. Keep up the stellar work, everyone. ❤️

Vice Versailles

My goodness, Eursolon making magic with only paint, feeling, and love left to find its way home.

Samantha

Such a wholesome and beautiful moment for him! ❤️🥹

Charles Cook

Sorry for the fanboy rave, but: Thank you, thank you, thank you for being the amazing story tellers you are who clearly love and trust each other. Every episode has me in tears one minute and laughing out loud the next. I was already a fan of the four of you before WBN, but oh my, the magic you make together! (Best $5/month I’ve ever spent!)

Grimmie

Aabria, please, take a leaf out of Axford's book and put your dice under the moon! This is too much 😂👍🏻

Riley Crowder

"Its okay to have a feeling you want to avoid." Is Ame unintentionally teaching the fox humans deal with depression?

The Captain

I hate that I have to wait two weeks for the next one. I haven't been this invested in a story in a long time

Linnea Meier

Any chance the wizard GREY is an homage to Brennan’s Rotating Heroes character? Hmmmm

Aaron Lamont

Ooooooh baby I am worried about Ghost. I'm currently relistening to the series and I'm on episode 5 and I have a growing dread that this half-forgotten subplot is going to end in absolutely soul shattering tragedy. They sent a half-spirit orphan girl to the place with the spirit gulag and they're about to leave and STILL don't know what happened to her and gee wilikers do I have a bad feeling about it.

Stephanie

Is there any chance of getting a PDF transcript for these latest episodes? Or are they added afterwards? I missed a few words here and there and would love a chance to double check.

Erik Germani

In case you haven't checked back, transcripts have gone up since your post

Steven

The first 10 minutes of this episode (especially the transition from the introduction into the scene setting) gave made me smile from ear to ear. It was the kind of smile that comes about when you listen to something, and you realize how special it is. The sound design, music, and absolute brilliant narrative description of the transition from majestic tranquility, to awe-some display of power, to tension and urgency, all wrapped up in the bow of "oh wow, this is improvised." I only had a similar reaction to a podcast production once before, and that was with Mission to Zyx. This is an amazing art form and I appreciate all of your work.

Eleventh Hour Panic Productions

So, I'm a little late to the party with this story, so I've been binging like whoa. Recently, I listened to the episode where Taylor discussed his intentions behind the instrumentation he chose for the different fractional motifs. I commented on that episode to say that if the Citadel ever gets into religion, the organ would be the perfect instrument for its marriage of the worked metal of the Citadel and the winds of the spirit world. AND WHATS THE FIRST THING I HEAR WHEN THE IMPERIUM SHOWS UP?!?! [screams in music nerd] It's giving Roman Empire. Thanks I hate it. And also FRICKIN' BRILLIANT MY GUY

Lana Kole

Taylor outdid himself on this one (as he does over and over again) I am so tense and nervous!!

Lana Kole

And at the end when Eursolon and Brennan are describing the shield, so good. Downright emotional. How dare y’all lol

Devora

I think you nailed it Rafael!! Wow beautifully said.

Devora

My sense was that it was only partly Ame keeping her relationships that she’s inherited from Grandma Wren under wraps. Even though she trusts Steel, Ame is used to depending on Grandmother Wren and herself - and that’s it. She’s only recently been reunited with her friends she hasn’t seen for years. And she’s grappling with being alone in the world now, holding this huge mantle of being this powerful witch with titles and places and connections that her friends can’t possibly understand. She’s also living with the immense grief of losing her parental anchor in this world. Every new person she meets is another dimension added to the gem of Grandma Wren’s memory in her mind. Now - Steel is Suvi’s surrogate mom but she’s not Ame’s. There’s no real room for her to be that, in the midst of Ame’s grief, which is so new and all-encompassing (even as Ame does acknowledge her kindness). It’s a boundary being set, to withhold Sly’s name. So - even though Steel is so willing to be protective of Ame and extraordinarily kind to her, Ame’s titled identity sort of supercedes their developmental identities (young adult/parental adult) in this very particular moment. If I put myself in Ame’s shoes - as not only one new adult interacting with an established one, and a grieving child missing their anchor, but also as one powerful person of station interacting with another - I might not give up my source not only to protect that source, but to protect my right to make my own choices as to who to trust and how to conduct my own business as the Witch of the freaking World’s Heart. God I love this damn story.

Pendergreens’ Sick Ibanez

Calling it here steel placed the curse on ame and wren via the star book and applied the Eoghrain smell to the magical effect. Her eyes NARROWED when Ame brings up the smell and chose her response reeeally carefully

Alyssa

How vindicated do you feel?!