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Tringual Story of Passover: Exodus 12 Latin (Ecclesiastical) (Patreon)

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2024-11-15 14:50:10
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2024-11

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Dear Patrons, I am re-releasing the Trilingual Story of Passover in a second edition, available in full to Maecēnātiānī Tier Patrons to be released over several weeks, including the addition of the Latin Ecclesiastical Pronunciation and four variants of Lucian Pronunciation: Romaic, Pompeian, Samosatene, and Antiochene.

The stand-alone audiobook is available on my audiobook store: https://luke-ranieri.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/passover-exodus-11-12-english-latin-greek-trilingual-audiobook-text

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Enrico Muzunna

Hi Luke, sorry for the elementary question, but a friend of mine said that final -m does not lengthen the preceding vowel but it only nasalize it and he never heard that claim. Can you confirm that final -m, when it falls before a caesura/pause or a consonant different from nasal and occlusive does lengthen the preceding vowel? (Before a vowel doesn't make sense talking about length, since the elision elides it, except before es and est). So aurum is [ˈäu̯ɾũː] (or [ˈäu̯ɾũˑ] according to other reconstructions), right? An other question more complex: when the -m is read “n” (e.g.: aurum quod) doesn't make sense nasalizing the preceding vowel, right? The vowel is nasal because the m, nasal consonant that was read in a time before, has transferred the nasal sound only when it falls, so in my sentence between parenthesis we should write [ˈäu̯ɾun…], nōnne? Thank you again for your help 👍🏻

Luke Amadeus Ranieri

Hi Enrico, that’s a very good question. Allen in VOX LATINA asserts that the vowel is lengthened by virtue of its being nasalized (the syllable is obviously lengthened if a consonant follows); however, ancient grammarians assert that lengthening before final -m is impossible; thus I think Allen missed the mark on that point. Moreover, there are analogues in modern Indian languages with final nasalization and short vowel, so it’s certainly linguistically possible. It’s also my recommendation: that is, for a short vowel before nasalized final -m. (Though I have old recordings where I do the opposite.)

Enrico Muzunna

But how is this possible that the vowel is short? If the vowel is nasalized before a non plosive consonant, e.g. before l, the -m isn't there anymore and the syllable in poetry is long. E.g.: cum lēctī iuvenēs, Argīvae rōbora pūbis (Cat. Carmen LXIV, doctum). I don't figure out how could the vowel stay short even if we know that the -m is dropped and we have metrical evidence… Or maybe does in this case the -m stand? And what about Catō Cēnsor who wrote Diee for diem? (You talked about that in your old video about final -m)

Enrico Muzunna

Grātiās tibī. And what do you do before a pause/caesura?