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Episode 54 [PATREON EXCLUSIVE] -- Law & Order, Part 1 (Patreon)

Published:
2025-01-24 08:54:12
Edited:
2025-04-27 05:58:53
Imported:
2026-09

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Back in November we had a vote on here for episodes people were interested in and this one came in on or near the top: a deep dive into the gender politics of the Dick Wolf cinematic universe! Embark with Moira and Adrian on a voyage to an alternate version of New York City where it's always 1990, but which is also beset by whatever was on the cover of the New York Post about 12 months ago! Let us talk you through New York City's war on crime (TM) as seen through the eyes of 25 seasons of Law & Order and its seventeen thousand spin-offs. Even better news for true Wolfthusiasts: We also recorded a much longer second part with several deep dives into specific episodes, which we hope to upload next week!

[NOTE: At one point in the episode, Adrian erroneously said that L&O was partly inspired by "Homicide: Life on the Street" -- he meant to say that they are part of the same crop of shows. "Homicide" in fact had its debut after L&O (and takes place in the same universe).]

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Nina V~

i haven't listened to the whole episode yet, but a few years ago, l&o was my dad's choice tv show to watch endless reruns of, and i could never quite figure out why. this is also an interesting episode to listen to as both a rape survivor and a recent nyc transplant.

James Talley

L&O, especially SVU, have always struck me as mainlining what Crank and Caldero (2000) called "corruption of noble cause." Gotta get the baddies, so any means are implicitly justified. Not that this occurs in plots so often, but that the passion for victims is so manifest that it's the constant vibe. Stabler practically hemorrhages with it, especially because he's portrayed as the strong father-protector channeling a simmering, barely channeled violence. Corruption of noble cause is the most palatable variety, and it means a lot that the show has been copaganda-ing this theme to so many for so long. (Also hoping Part 2 has an aside about the Ripped from the Headlines ep re. the president of Hillsdale College.) Loved this episode!

Charlotte

I needed this episode about something that's not current affairs! Can't wait for Part 2. (I've never seen this show - not much of a TV person - and was gripped by the discussion.)

M

Hello, is there a RSS link to add the podcast feed to podcast app ? THANKS !

Ren

Moira, watch Community!

Barb B

Have you ever seen Life on Mars? It was a BBC show with John Sim about a Manchester police officer who hits his head and wakes up in the 1970's, in the body of a cop from that time. One of the themes there was the professionalization of the police over time, from the 1970's to the mid 2000's. (I think we are supposed to intuit that things are cleaner, but not necessarily better.) I think it's interesting to think about that messaging as police officers as corporate professionals as opposed to the struggling, under-funded idealists of the NYPD.

paul bowman

Appreciate especially where this winds up — looking at the shows’ being about offering something to the viewer predisposed to interpret / narrate real-world crime or legal-contest scenarios in certain ways. ‘When you hear people describe what they think was fishy about Amber Heard’s claims vis-à-vis Johnny Depp, you get, I think, the dividends paid on this kind of hyper-economical storytelling ….’ (Adrian) ‘There’s a way in which opposing rape, at least in theory or in principle, is something that can be bipartisan, right? When you drill down to it, the actual reasons why people oppose rape are very ideologically divided. … If you were actually going to drill down into how this stuff works, you have to adopt a much more specific politics about it, which is not something that SVU wants to do.’ (Moira)

Alice Kron

"Way smaller toilets now" 💀

Symone West

Moira thinks Adnan Syed is guilty? That's a hot take I'd be curious to know why

Nicole Kotov

SVU used to be a comfort show for me through high school, but omg 😳 the post 9/11 seasons have some crazy Islamophobia now when I watch them back

mina

They still actually film SVU in morningside and especially at Burke Library

Bea

Yeah I was surprised by that too.