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Episode 56 [PATREON EXCLUSIVE] -- Law & Order, Part 2 (Patreon)

Published:
2025-01-31 08:53:32
Edited:
2025-04-27 06:01:50
Imported:
2026-09

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In the podcasting world, sequels are considered especially heinous. The hosts who perpetrate these unconscionable felonies are members of an elite squad, known as incapable of editing themselves. These are their efforts. DUN DUN. In the quite-possibly-awaited second part of our discussion of Law & Order, Adrian walks Moira through several episodes of the various franchises -- with special guest appearances from Fred Dalton Thompson, the Duggar Family, and the hipster grifter!

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Charlotte

So, the Patreon email for this announced it as "Part 5", and I can say that I would absolutely listen to 5 parts of this.

Amy

Wow, the audio-only clips really highlight the bad acting.

Nina V~

ok, but which episode is the "she's your daughter!" clip from? i feel like i need to get stoned and watch it

Nina

One thing I noticed is that when a woman is murdered on law and order they'll usually comment on how it's usually the husband but in the show itself it's usually NOT the husband so you as the viewer end up with this feeling that it's not the husband as frequently as people think it is (I hope this makes sense).

Caycie Soke

These eps were tailor made for me as a lawyer who went to law school with Law & Order on the brain, only to realize that in practice the criminal justice system was far too cynical and broken to do good work in (for me personally). I now am much happier practicing community based lawyering (poverty law) and was thrilled to hear your analysis. Thank you -as always!

kb

Recently subscribed and going through the archives, just commenting as a vote for a part 3 where you watch the episode of SVU where Kathy Griffin plays a radical lesbian separatist.

Natalie S

after listening to this I need an episode of Adrian teaching Moira about Tatort

Russano Greenstripe

Very brief and late aside, but I think Adrian misreads the purpose of the perp confessing on the stand. It's a very long standing trope in TV courtroom dramas to have the criminals confess while in the witness box - that was the signature move of Perry Mason in his original TV Series. Matlock continued the tradition, and so does Columbo, albeit outside of a courtroom environment. Phoenix Wright of the Ace Attorney series also features the trope heavily, but those games' relation to the law is nebulous and sketchy at best. What's notable about Perry Mason, Matlock, and Phoenix Wright is that all three were *defense attorneys*. They employed the Perry Mason Method to prove their client's innocence in a narrative manner that's more clear and satisfying than introducing enough reasonable doubt in a jury. Not only does the audience get to see an innocent person go free, they get to see the real criminal brought to justice. Dick Wolfe's innovation with Law and Order was applying on behalf of the prosecution. In this framework, the DA and the rest of the legal system writ large aren't therapists (at least not intentionally), they're grand arbiters of right and wrong. Which is something you all very much clock and make very clear, and honestly seems more in line with proclamations of truth instead of a psychoanalytic lens.

Ben Schwabe

"Is this because I'm a lesbian?" was so baffling. I'm so glad I'm the only one who finds SVU repulsive.