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Episode 59 [PATREON EXCLUSIVE] -- The Boys of DOGE (Patreon)

Published:
2025-02-19 05:51:02
Edited:
2025-04-22 02:32:42
Imported:
2026-09

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"I see the boys of DOGE in their ruin." Moira walks Adrian through the cabal of college sophomore's currently siphoning off your grandma's social security, running air traffic control, and gutting crucial research. Digressions on disruption, hacker masculinity, and wedgies.

A big thanks to our producer Mark Yoshizumi, who really saved our bacon on the audio on this one!

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A

Thank you for this! I'm (currently, we'll see how long) a fed and I really appreciate you cutting through the bullshit with this analysis!

Katie

Twittler youth 😂

Cat

I'm 8 minutes in. Taking a moment to say, Moira, your tone of voice is a balm to my wounds. It is very therapeutic to hear voices of reason 💓

James Talley

Adrian, your take on higher education's disdain (?) for, what, humane pro-social learning for all ... got any book recommendations for titles that make the same argument?

Hrisyana Doytchinova

Thank you so much for this conversation, much needed now! I am going into full existential crisis mode but at least I am not alone! Thanks Adrian for the point about universities becoming more pre-professional, I have been shouting this for a moment (not putting it as eloquently though). Also just bought your tech book! Moira you’re amazing and such a badass and role model! Appreciate you both!

basil water

It is truly so comforting to hear podcasters I admire so much expressing the same petty boiling rage at stupid gen z boys I've been feeling for the last few months. I love this podcast

Kristi Yingling

I love your podcast and love this episode! The only issue I've had with DOGE coverage (definitely not exclusive to you two) is the constant referring to these assholes as boys/children. They're young (some are even teens!), inexperienced, and generally clueless, but they're legally adults. This relates to society's general proclivity to see white teens/young adults as younger and more innocent than their black and brown counterparts.

Lindsey Schilling

Do you think when they play out their usefulness with DOGE, Peter Thiel is going to harvest their blood?

raleigh briggs

I'm very late on this episode (stuck at home with covid) but your wrath gives me LIFE.

Astraea

I know I'm WAY late to this (I just discovered the podcast recently) but as a certified card-carrying STEM nerd, I just want to add: these fuckin dweebs dropping out in their freshman or sophomore years also means that they never got to the part of their major that is actually hard! Critically, this means that *they never learned humility,* but solely experienced their field of "expertise" as an easy, straightforward thing that makes them feel and look smart...which I think ties in very well with how they see the world from their Silicon Valley towers. In the physics major, everyone spends their first semester posturing about how totally easy and simple and understandable the material is. (This is usually a lie to make yourself feel better about how you're no longer the smartest person in the room.) Some people can keep this up until the end of sophomore year. But let me tell you: as soon as you start taking your upper level courses, the major just becomes a two-year exercise in getting your ass kicked by your classes on a regular basis. The only way to succeed is to buckle down, admit you don't know things, and take a long time and work really fuckin hard to actually understand the material. Being *actually*good at STEM fields requires an incredible amount of humility, and learning to ask for help, and admitting that "being good at math" means fuck all when you never learned how to critically determine what math is appropriate in what contexts. Anyway, sorry, rant over. These dudes' never having taken an ethics course is probably the bigger problem, but as someone who knew *every one of these kinds of dudes* back in the day, and watched them either get over themselves and succeed or drop out of the major, some of the descriptions in this episode felt very familiar and I needed to yell about it.

S

elon musk is a dumb person’s idea of a smart person