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This month we're launching a new mini-series on our Patreon: The Cinema of Cancellation -- an intermittent exploration (expect one of these types of episodes every month or so) of films about public shaming, "political correctness" and how being held accountable for your actions is sort of a bummer. In this first episode, we're talking about 1994's Oleanna -- about campus stories, about the confusion between judgment and punishment and about the absolute horror of women talking to other women...

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Katie

great listen! time is a flat circle. sigh.

Lorissa

When Adrian mentioned (paraphrasing) that a number of films from this period purport to be about ambiguity in gendered power relations but really aren’t, I thought: several of these star Michael Douglas. Why? Fatal Attraction, Basic Instinct, Disclosure

Kai Dorothy

CAN WE GET THE FULL BARSNSKI STORY?!? I’m catching up on the archives but HOW did you end up fictionalized??? This is icon status I didn’t know you bring to critiquing, in part, the centrist status-quo machine.

Kai Dorothy

So if I missed it I’ll find the episode eventually, but WOW - third wave sex-positivity wishy washy nonsense, we need a re-edit of your episode - WHATS THE EPISODE so I can watch cause I didn’t see that show. Sorry I just had my coffee so coherence and editing is still coming online in my brain, but huge fan of you both 💜🌈✨

Ren

It was back when Moira created that list of shitty media men that women could add names to to warn other women and then the media found out and flipped the fuck out like it was a crime against humanity. The Good Wife based an episode on the situation but completely misunderstood both Moira’s politics and the fact that said list was women trying to help each other protect themselves and not some kind of McCarthy-era blacklist.

Ren

I saw this one in a class in undergrad (could not tell you what class) and all I remember is two people arguing in a huge-ass office and being very uncomfortable. I am glad to hear I don’t need to revisit it.

kathleen

The thing I remember from the early 1990s about this kind of situation was the side eye a friend of mine got at our Catholic high school. She wore a pin that said "I believe Anita Hill." The response to my saying more or less the same thing was also side eyed. One of our teachers, a School Sister of Notre Dame said something in history class about how sometimes girls go on dates, have sex, regret it, then make up a date rape claim. (RIP Sr. J, I guess.) And wow did people snark at Antioch College run deep. My lil midwestern liberal arts college tried to make headway in the space around enthusiastic consent with mixed results. So anyway. I believed Anita Hill then. I believe her now. And the Senate REALLY should have listened to teen girls like said friend. They should have believed Anita Hill and done something with that information.

Karen Cox

I just realize that whenever I listen to you I am doing something absurdly gendered activity — either making jam or doing laundry or, like today, doing bench presses and deadlifts. Never eating lunch or driving.

Emily Furlich

As someone coming from the theatre side of academia, I’m begging you guys to get Christine Baranski’s name right. (She’s not at fault for the embarrassing writing in the episode!)

Belle

This is unrelated to the episode but I have a question; why do y'all never really invite black people onto this podcast?

Anna Stefan

Hey from Australia! Many thoughts and lots of love.

David in Brooklyn

Really appreciated the analysis presented in this episode. And thank you for not making David Mamet a sacred cow.

Belle

Lol out of all the guests y’all had so far only 1 was black. That’s actually insane.

Maud McInerney

This is actually about the main feed ep The Trustees: thank you for explaining just how deeply effed up the system is! I teach at Haverford College (you may have seen us in the news last week when our President was savaged by Stefanik) and your description of how boards really work is spot on. To our eternal shame a former chair of our board is now in the cabinet 🤢

Nate

Binging through the back catalog and I let out a little yell when I saw the topic of this episode - I was an extra in this movie and my footage ended up in the trailer 😂

OuijaFBabysMama

@moiradonegan please return us to this project mayhaps with…. Election? Im not sure if it is too on the nose or too ironic or not ironic enough or if I am misremembering totally?

OuijaFBabysMama

Also Moira I am dying for you to write a book. Obsessed w your intro I ran into as I began my deep dive into Dworkin and I am also reading Caliban and the Witch right now and my head and heart are like ON FIRE right now in an amazing way. Thank you for the inspiration to wander down this path