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Episode 86 [PATREON EXCLUSIVE] -- Andrew Sullivan (Part 2) (Patreon)

Published:
2025-07-28 06:36:54
Imported:
2026-09

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We're sorry this one's so late, you guys! This one was an absolute beast to edit. We recorded and kept chatting and having fun, and going back to passages that interested us, and suddenly we had like over five hours of material! Anyway, here's the second part of our Andrew Sullivan episode -- or "Andrew 2: Electric Boogaloo", as we've started calling it. Covering the full second half of Sully, the "We Didn't Start the Fire" of reactionary centrism: Barebacking, Substacking, Moira's misandry, 9/11, 5th Columnists, Other Columnists, Testosterone, Trans Kids...

Comments

Gwen

One reason that lesbian is used less in some contexts is that terfs aggressively took on the term, using it to exclude any gender fluid or trans person. It might feel more inclusive to self-describe as queer. Ignoring the damage terfs do while criticizing the reactions to their attacks is wild.

Erin Mather

Does anyone have a link to that David Brooks column?

Jenessa Grant

Are we getting a Germany episode this month?

In Bed With the Right

The July episode of Project 1933 is in the can and I'm furiously editing it. But we're doing an Epstein episode tomorrow, so the July episode might only arrive in early August :(

Kathryn Nadkarni

I’m pretty sure Peter and Michael did do an ep already! Also, Moira, that transatlantic accent-esque moment was incredible.

James Talley

If there's a cutting room floor file of 3 more hours of y'all reading Sully for filth, I'm totally down to listen to it. Adrian got beautifully exercised for a while there, and I reveled in it.

Brian

Moira’s description of Sullivan on his T days is almost definitely spot on. My experience with the nominally low-T cis males who take T is that they feel GREAT (legitimately huge improvements to pre-existing debilitating anxiety and depression) while being HELL to be around. Absolutely terrorized roommates to where everyone stayed with at their partners’ places as much as possible.

Adela

Plans for this weekend: go to the gym, do pushups, build a deck, hate women

Thomas Freeman

this might indicate that I am unwell, but I am so disappointed there is no part 3!!!!!

Kai Dorothy

Absolute super freak representation saved my life 😍

Brian

“After Tennessee VOLUNTEERED to pass this trans care ban” I see you Moira. wasn’t expecting that state-specific history/sports reference, but I respect it!

Katie

7 min of trashing David brooks in the middle of an unrelated episode, thank you for leaving it in- I died laughing

Bethany Gardner

“It’s their thing! Some people like hairy butts and other people like debating language!” thank you for the asexual linguist representation 🫡

kathleen

I hatelove this. (As in, learn so much, feel terrible about it.)

OhLordyAmina

I'm very curious about the book you mentioned; "Unlimited Intimacy", I'm going to request it be ordered from my local library. And I'm so sorry you were attacked by him Moira. You seem very sweet and have a lovely laugh. I think it could be said his philosophy is due in part to the trauma he witnessed with many of his friends passing away during the height of the AIDS crisis. I was reading a bit about how anger and anxiety feel the same within the body. It's both born out of a loss of control.

OhLordyAmina

Speaking of which, why the hell is JK Rowling obsessed over the idea of not enough lesbians out there? Sometimes I believe her anti-trans hatred is fueled by some un-addressed trauma related to her sexuality as well.

Stephanie Corbitt

What was the very early episode Adrien mentioned he was still quite proud of covering some of the gender issues? I want to go back and listen but cannot for the life of me remember which one it was or find where he mentioned it in the pod.

James Hultgren

Re-listening and wondering if you have considered doing an episode on Larry Kramer and “Faggots”? I read it when I was maybe 17 or 18 and I think it dovetailed so well with my conservative Christian upbringing that I wasn’t able to bring enough of a critical lens to it, and I’m unsure how much of my memory of it is accurate or is coloured by that context. It is interesting to consider those presentations of gay life in the era of PrEP: I feel like we are seeing so much more representations of gay life in media, but they often either skirt around the construction of drugs and sex OR continue to invoke the “deplorability” that Kramer (to my memory) and clearly Sullivan was critiquing. Also interesting to compare/contrast to porn: we’ve seen studios that were vocally opposed to barebacking on video who have now abandoned that. Anyway. Much to think about and of course would always value your thoughts and insights.