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Fetal personhood is one of those doctrines that have moved from the fringes of the conservative legal movement (and even from the fringes of right wing theology) to the center. While it is not clear how much support there is at the US Supreme Court for the idea that fetuses are people and have rights under the 14th Amendment, this once-obscure doctrine has been filtering into abortion and pregnancy criminalization since the Dobbs decision. In this episode, Moira walks Adrian through the strange history of this doctrine, and through its awful consequences for pregnant people or those who can become pregnant. (Content Warning: discussions of pregnancy loss and sexual violence)

Here is a list of the books we relied on in researching this episode -- all of these are very much worth your time:

Mary Ziegler, Persohood: The New Civil War Over Reproduction (2025)

Jennifer Holland, Tiny You: A Western History of the Anti-Abortion Movement (2020) (you can also watch a 2021 conversation between Adrian, Jennifer Holland and Melissa Murray here)

Leslie J. Reagan, When Abortion was a Crime (new edition 2022)

Michelle Goodwin, Policing the Womb (2022)

Lauren Berlant, The Queen of America Goes to Washington City (1997)

Pregnancy Justice, Pregnancy as a Crime: A Preliminary Report on the First Year After Dobbs

Comments

Nina V~

we know why but why did my chemistry-calculation-addled brain originally read the tilte as "fatal personhood".......... 😮‍💨🫠

Meowca

Gasped when I saw the title I’m so seated

A Felt

Such a great explanation of the topic that I will definitely be sharing with people as a source of information! And I would absolutely want to hear a Comstock episode.

Kim

I read an article about a particularly egregious situation involving a surrogate mother and some PE/tech mogul. I would be curious to know what if any protections exist for surrogates and the history. Maybe an idea for a future episode? 😬

Leslie Wines

Ugh I was raised in the anti abortion movement and I remember the kitsch being everywhere. I still cringe when I see little foot imagery. Listening to this episode brought up a lot of uncomfortable memories but provided so much useful context for the world I grew up in - thanks for your amazing research, Moira!

James Hultgren

Thank you so much for this episode. We are awash in US politics in Australia and sometimes it’s exhausting but I think it’s so important to be familiar with the sorts of arguments coming out of the US right and especially evangelical spaces because they will almost certainly be imported to Australia at some point.

MammaMia

So wild to imagine not knowing what the Precious Feet look like.

Moira Donegan

I didn’t know until I read the Holland!!!

nonyadamn

Because I’m not miserable enough I’m listening to the Phyllis Schlafly episodes tonight 💀

MammaMia

They gave them out to everyone during right to life week for my Catholic elementary school in the 90s. Really makes an impression on a 10 yo.

Sabrina Kinyon

So I homeschool in Virginia, which is home to the two most influential Christian homeschooling advocacy groups in the country, and who's battle cry has always been "Parents Rights" with absolutely zero concern for the rights of the child to an education or anything else. As my 13 year old daughter often points out, a fetus has more rights than she does. The US refuses to ratify the International Rights of the Child because of the "parent's rights" homeschooling groups but a fetus's rights supersede a women's rights. At least until the baby is born, in which case you're free to "blanket train" it using a thin "switch", provide zero education and often for girls, use them as free childcare and domestic labor before forcing them to marry young and have kids.

Sarah

Great episode! Wrt the Alabama Supreme Court, the legislature’s fix was even less logical than what you said in the podcast. There *was* talk about creating a distinction between embryos in utero and those outside the human body, but ultimately all they did was pass a bill giving IVF providers & patients civil and criminal immunity from prosecution for destroying embryos. Really making every effort to dodge the implications of embryonic personhood without any willingness to actually walk it back at all.

Amy

Off topic: is this pod still on discord? If so, can I get a link?

Amy

Joy! Thanks for the link and for the always excellent content.

Sarah O'Mahoney

In relation to fetal personhood it's very interesting to look at the Irish example and the SPUC (Society for the Protection of the Unborn Child) amendment to the constitution in 1983 and the difficulty in trying to balance a "right to life" of the foetus with women's rights in the language of the amendment. Then of course the successful recent constitutional amendment repealing that amendment to allow for abortion in 2018.

Sami James

So true. If nothing else I hope we can serve as a cautionary tale😉

Sami James

Meh I think after exporting Rupert Murdoch we're just evening things out...