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Episode 131 [PATREON EXCLUSIVE] -- Gender in Flavortown (Patreon)

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2026-04-21 01:16:21
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Hello, welcome to In Bed with the Right, have you ever dined with us before? Well in that case, welcome, and just so you know our podcast is best enjoyed Patreon-style. The first thing that's going to come out is a little discussion of the chef as a cultural figure, and then the changing gendered representations of cookery in media and pop culture. We're then gonna really zero in on one chef figure, the Mayor of Flavortown, the Dean of Donkeysauce, the Thane of The Food Network, Guy Fieri! That's also going to come with several sides of clips, and we're going to round that out with our Kwanzaa-cake, which was recognized as "quite possibly racist" by Zagat's and "a crime against humanity" by the Gault Millau. Enjoy!

Comments

Rissa

Incredible turnaround for this episode from the poll to now. I love you guys 💘

Meowca

My show is on 😌

E

It’s always the risotto!!

John W

@:40 Nonsense, Adrian, you're just stalling on Aquinas 😤😉

Laura Cullen

I've got to say, the stakes may not be that high, but the stress definitely is. It's been almost twenty years since I waited my last table, and I still have more nightmares about my restaurant work than my current job (teaching HIGH SCHOOL) or the one between these two: newspaper journalism, which I got laid off from twice, and which is frequently ranked as one of the most stressful careers.

Cailyn McGrath

I screamed when you brought up the Kwanzaa cake, I watched it on loop with my sister in early YouTube days and I thought I had no one else to talk about it with.

Becky Robison

Adrian, you’re supposed to take the cheesecake home! That’s how you eat cheesecake at the Cheesecake Factory without irrevocably damaging your intestines—you take it to go.

Chantelle

I may be naive, but I sort of believe Fieri when he says he didn't recognise the Tate brothers. Sure, there are lots of stories about him, but I do believe there's a decent possibility that somebody could read the stories and forget about them, or put them in the "not relevant to me" box, because so many of them titled Tate an influencer. There are so many stories about heinous men going around these days, that I imagine there are some people who live in blissful ignorance of the Tate brothers

Charley

I’m nerdily excited for Aquinas, gotta admit

Lori-Rae van Laren

As someone with a Dutch partner… it’s just the Dutch 😂

Voo

Neat!

Lizbeth

Woosh-cest-er sauce. Can’t even pronounce it as a Brit!

Charley

Brit pronunciation correction guys: it’s not “Wor-chester-shyre”, but “Wuss-ta-shear” sauce 😉

Astraea

Depending on how they were introduced at the UFC fight, I can believe this too. I know who Andrew Tate IS (wish I didn't), but I have no idea what he looks like. Could not pick him out of a lineup to save my life. And that's just a product of how I consume my news (mostly podcasts, not video formats), not the content of that news. (This comment comes with a limited warranty that is immediately voided if Guy Fieri turns out to be a Tate Stan or otherwise extremely problematic.)

Astraea

Gimme that sweet, sweet medieval theology drama! (I am Episcopalian; we live for this kind of nerdiness.)

Matthew Tokarsky

Yes, fucking up risotto is a key part in most (all?) top chef seasons

Bluecollar

Not to be like an "If Books Could Kill" commenter but Moira's pronunciation of Worcestershire is... Concerning

Kim

I work in a emergency department and I used to also cook in a restaurant, the kitchen was way more stressful. Those men are so over the top. No one benefits from you flinging a hot pan full of oil across the floor.

Sarah Cogswell

This was a really great episode. I had not previously considered how gendered the idea of the chef is. It makes me think of how gendered our construction of expertise is.

John W

Former Episcopalian myself. I feel seen

lentil_butch

Brilliant hosts, brilliant pod, but there is no world in which "everyone including Guy Fieri ought to know who the Tate brothers are by now". I'm willingly engaging in discourse about the manosphere (including this lovely podcast!) and I just had to Google the other one's name. It's Tristan for those who are in the same boat lol.

A Felt

The point about Fieri doing “straight male drag” is spot on. A few years ago, a contestant on RuPaul’s Drag Race actually dressed as Fieri.

Alyssa Battipaglia

Omg. As someone who is a big fan of guy and food AND a raging social justice warrior, I approached this episode with some concern about reconciling my feelings towards Guy. HOWEVER-I must say, you all did an outstanding job. I walked away with fresh insights and perspectives that have enriched my understanding of what draws me to Food Network shows (and top chef- Adrian it made me so happy that youve also seen every season). Ps: I also hope Guy never comes out as MAGA

Kriston

Now I'm worried because I would never recognize the Tate brothers, lol

Jenny

The thing about formal Chinese banquets is that we always have a "nice round number" of courses, that roughly correspond to the number of people seated at the big round table. For weddings/galas, most often it's 8, 10, or 12. So you really have to pace yourself! Fortunately, the courses don't get cleared off before the next one comes on, so you can just sample a little bit of every dish first without needing to get your fill before it disappears.

Matthew Tokarsky

“I know every season someone goes home for their risotto. But here’s how mine is going to be different” -Contestant about to go home

Saar

It's also regional, this is more prevalent in the culturally protestant areas, where this calvinist notion of "food is just sustenance, don't enjoy it too much" is very much embedded. That's why the cuisine is like that™

Emily

and jicama is pronounced like HICK-uh-muh <3

Jenny

Another super fun and fascinating episode! As an East Asian woman, I actually find the Bourdain/Fieri type "white explorer" much more appealing than the Julia Child type "(white) ambassador". I think my eyes would roll out of my skull if I were to see a white man or woman run a TV show teaching white audiences how to cook Chinese food. I feel that a little "authenticity hunting" neocolonialism is an OK price to pay for the opportunity for non-white cultures to have a platform and speak for ourselves to white audiences, as long as the hosts are relatively respectful about it (as Bourdain and Fieri mostly seemed to be). And this makes me interested in thinking more about the newer generation of "(non-white, non-male) ambassadors" in food TV -- e.g. Samin Nosrat, Sohla El-Waylly, Nadiya Hussain, etc. So far, it seems like in order for POC women to be given a platform to share non-white food with white audiences, they still first need to have been validated by some kind of white institution -- e.g. Samin and Sohla came up working in elite restaurants serving European food, and Nadiya won GBBO. It seems elusive for white studio execs and white audiences to want to give their time and money to ambassadors who haven't been thus legitimated -- even if they had been legitimated by the institutions of their own (non-white) cultures and countries. All this to say that Anglo-American popular media still runs on deeply colonialist dynamics!

Audrey V

WILD first new patreon bonus episode to get access to since signing up!

rock dove

My association with Guy Fieri is a 24 hour diner in the Nugget casino in Reno that was on Diners Drive ins and Dives. It serves something called the awful awful and I ended up there many late drunken nights in my early 20s. Perfect over the top 3am drunk food, but not something I'd much enjoy otherwise.

Thomas Wiehe

After listening to my protestant german mum and her opinion about the excessiveness of catholics for many years; I'm pretty sure it's not just the dutch, Adrian 😅

gretchen anderson

I came here to say the Cheesecake Factory is my McDonald’s. When in the ecosystem that supports a CF, it’s gonna be the best option!

Geneva Samuelson

As someone from Ferndale, I was braced for the Ferndale/Humboldt description, but Adrian actually did a great job! Ferndale in particular is in a constant state of tug-o-war between old Humboldt (mostly Portuguese and Irish) agricultural and timber families and a definite hippy artist sect. The result of that is Guy Fieri doing Republican drag.

kathleen

I, who watched hockey and drank beer last night instead of writing a conference presentation, fully support Guy Fieri as Procrastination from Aquinas. Assuming we get to StTA eventually, this cul-de-sac is a worthy use of time.

kathleen

Re: wowsabi sauce and diversity as garnish in America. If you want a non-zero number of the Fieri Restaurant Dining Crowd to ever consider eating wasabi mayo at all, ever, the way to do it is drizzle it on a once in a lifetime Vegas vacation burger. It might be the only wasabi they ever eat. It might be a step towards trying other kinds of food. It will definitely be a first for some. Spice Plus Bougie Food Politics has the potential to be a big ask for some people. I'm saying this as a person from deepest flyover country, who has had fully college educated mid-blue voting educator colleagues for whom baklava was just a little exotic. There is great pho to be had in MSP but that does not mean my aunties will eat it. Culinary appropriation is definitely not ideal. Fieri definitely could think more about what he's doing with his menu. Done differently, there could be more food syncretism and less coopting going on. But I also kinda get it.

kathleen

Thank you for writing this comment. It is really interesting. Huh... I always read Julia Child as giving "hello Americans terrified of this most white of white European fancy cuisine and who feel inadequate in the face of All This Culture! Let us make Tarte Tatin together I promise it's not scary and you're not hopeless." I guess because this is how my parents talked about cooking from Mastering the Art of French Cooking in the 70s. Is that dynamic still on the same shelf of the fridge as the more Bourdain kind of TV chef? Or is it a different thing?

Maxwell

If y’all are in the zone of doing TV analysis, the Pitt and its convulsions with its fandom might make for a really good episode, perhaps juxtaposed with the typical styles and preoccupations of medical dramas on contemporary network television (911, The Good Doctor, Chicago Fire/EMS/whatever the hell else they’ve got going on).

JanaKat

Re Fieri's male drag and the campness thereof... I don't think it's for nothing that, the first time I saw his show as an adult queer, I was convinced he was some flavor of gay himself. Might be that I've met some trans guys who (consciously or unconsciously) modeled their masculine presentation on his, might be that the camp quality reads different to me than to a straight man (or than to someone from California), might just be the frosted tips signaling something very different in 2023 than they did in 2003... Either way I was very surprised to learn he was straight. His personality in way seemed of the same material as Elton John or any number of other gay men in showbiz - too big, too weird, too much to be contained by heterosexuality.

JanaKat

I considered it believable up until I saw the photo of him shaking hands with Donald Trump at the same event.

Z F

Are we gonna get into Natural Law? As an ex-Catholic, I've been baffled by the Theology of the Body, and dying to know why the Church is so weird about sex and gender

Cousin April

The one thing (very specific) thing that also adds more context to his backstory is that I was always told that Ferndale is a Cow Town. My sister had a friend in high school who lived in Ferndale and was a vegetarian and she had to deal with that contradiction. It's an interesting image of Guy growing up in a Cow Town with vegetarian parents and smelling all the meat being cooked basically everywhere except at home.

Moira Donegan

Welcome!!! It only gets worse lol

Bruce

I think that is a misread of the point about the Julia Child generation of TV food personalities. Julia was presented as an authentic ambassador of elevated French cooking, along with her peers like Jacques Pepin, Martin Yan for Chinese cuisine, Lidia Bastianich for Italian, Paul Prud'homme for New Orleans, etc. This cohort was shown on PBS stations and predated the cable food channel personalities like Emeril, Bobby Flay, etc. I don't really remember Julia making a lot of non-European dishes, or if she did, it was invariably in the company of guest expert. But of course, her career spanned decades, so it's quite possible that evolved over time.

Claire Burdick

LOL if you want to explore what kind of masculinity is produced by Fieri, look to his son Hunter Fieri, an obvious nepo hire on tournament of champions who often looks embarrassed to be there

Elizabeth T.

Yes. If I were a food celeb at a sports/fighting event & those despicable brothers came up to me to greet me…I doubt I would recognize them. “Tate Brothers” means something to me but that doesn’t mean I have memorized their faces. So, Fieri’s statements NOT necessarily “strain credulity” IN MY HUMBLE VIEW.

Jenny

I appreciate this! That generation of TV programming was before my time; glad to learn about Julia Child in proper context with the other PBS chefs.

Jenny

I think that that positioning is a direct result of Americans seeing western European culture as being "above"/better/fancier than American culture. I don't think it would have been possible for Julia Child (lovely as she may be as a person) or any white chef to serve as a "friendly anti-gatekeeping ambassador" for Chinese food, because most Americans of her time didn't - and very many today still don't - see Chinese food as being possibly better/fancier than American food. If anyone is to demystify Chinese food to white audiences, I much prefer that we be given the platform to do it ourselves.

Astraea

Well, fuck.

Will Robinson

in what way was this an "academic angle" on Fieri or masculinity in cuisine? you didn't mention his support for his sister, you appear to have not read any related texts - Secret Life of Groceries, Sexual Politics of Meat, Burn the Ice - you took the most ten thousand foot view of the service industry's (very real!) issues with masculinity & kinda mocked the idea of working in restaurants? really disappointed at how much of a throwaway this episode was.

Astraea

Wait, potentially very dumb question for Moira: where DO you come down on the liberal vs cultural feminism debate in the Sandra Lee discussion? My education in the finer points of different feminist philosophies is pretty non-existent, but it seems to me that "dignify traditionally feminized labor" and "make it practical and acceptable for women to opt out of traditionally feminized labor" are not mutually exclusive. I know that this *was* a debate among second-wave feminists, but is it still a debate now? I ask because personally, I think that cooking and cleaning and child-rearing are labor and the people who do that labor should be treated with dignity, *and also,* there's absolutely no reason that labor needs to be done by women specifically. Am I missing something here? Just being hopelessly naive?

MGL

Surprised this never mentioned the thing back in 2015 where he officiated a mass gay wedding. I find the idea that Fieri doesn't know or want to be associated with the Tate brothers extremely believable, since he was known for being pretty vocal about LGBT rights--iirc he has a deceased sister who was gay.

OhLordyAmina

I’m listening to this episode now (I have insomnia and it helps me sleep sometimes) and my knee jerk reaction is that I’ve never cared for the restaurants with his “seal of Flavor Town approval”. As someone who had a brief affair with the restaurant world…there’s a reason why there are so many issues of substance abuse, sexual harassment, and egomaniacal behavior. It can be very, very toxic; it can also be very welcoming and being part of a family but yeah, never again for me if I can help it.

OhLordyAmina

I will give Guy Fieri the biggest benefit of the doubt though because I have never heard anything along the lines of being MAGA or manosphere adjacent. He just always reminds me of those Jimmy Buffett type bros, always a bit extra but harmless and welcoming. I hope that’s the case.

Emily Benson

If I could defend a bit of the semi homemade foods, Ghirardelli brownie mix is blatantly superior to almost any homemade brownie I’ve ever had. It’s just a perfect brownie.

Rosie

Great episode, and I did not expect to have so many thoughts from a cooking show episode, especially about gender/masculinity in the UK vs the US! (Am English). With regard to Bake Off, I was surprised and interested to hear you describe Paul Hollywood as soft/more feminised from your perspective. He is definitely more reserved when compared with american celebrity chefs, but I see this as more about Brits looking down on american media/seeing the effervescence as gauche and less masculine than the sensible, stoic, intellectual man chef who understands gluten development and gastronomy. I can't handle bake off since it moved to Channel 4 and became Paul's show, feels too much like a narcissism project. But originally at least men didn't like it (or wouldn't admit to liking it) because Paul's excessive masculinity performance was played for laughs in a way that might feel quite imasculating to more sensitive men. Having a series of lesbian national treasure comedians to host helped with this also (sue perkins, sandi toksvig, maybe noel fielding deserves an honorary mention :-P) For bake off fans and lovers of queer romance novels, I highly recommend Alexis Hall's "Bake Expectations" series - 3rd book came out recently and is very silly and a good time

Katie H

Ironically I ate at a restaurant that was featured on DDD last weekend! It was fantastic! Succotash in Kansas City

Kiah Bowers

It's so true though with those brownies!

Lindsay Rae

Northern California being “very right wing” is not accurate. It is a lot of weird mix of anarchists, libertarian and left wing. Inland is more right wing but the coast to middle is red neck hippie

Lindsay Rae

Ferndale (where GF is from) is very left and hippie. State of Jefferson being “white nationalist” is also not super accurate. The food is pretty incredible up there though! Producers gave him that persona. I don’t know what his vibe is today (very much could see him not knowing who Andrew Tate is on site), but I’ve met a bunch of people who knew him back in the day and he at least to be very chill and more lefty/working class.

Lindsay Rae

Agreed. Listen, if he ever says something maga I will drop him like a hot potato, but I feel like he is being judged for having a “dude manosphere” vibe when he is really just a guy who dresses like a character that producers made for him (there are interviews where he talks about this) years ago. I felt like this episode was kind of out of touch and overly indexing on assigning political intent to hair styles and liking wrestling.

Lindsay Rae

Yeah I lived there for years and I feel like it is both very hippie and very working class but I don’t get manosphere vibes at all

Lindsay Rae

Same. I don’t think they are very recognizable to most people. I think one of them is bald and wears sunglasses and suits? But that is the extent of them in my mind.

Astraea

I honestly got pretty annoyed with season 2, BUT there was a pregnancy storyline in the last episode that could have been written exclusively from the Guardian article on freebirthers. (I don't think it actually was because I don't think the production timeline quite works out.) It hit all the notes: woman wants pregnancy with no medical treatment because it is "better," develops pre-eclampsia and then eclampsia, emergency c-section required to keep her and her daughter from dying. I've seen some reviews online that it is one of the most honest, realistic depictions of how pregnancy can just straight-up kill you. I thought it was very refreshing to see that in a matter-of-fact, fairly non-judgemental way, as opposed to the "birth is always a safe and beautiful miracle" representation that we normally get in American TV.

Astraea

I thought they were saying that the Inland Empire is more solidly right wing but that far northern CA is more of a mix (both within individual towns and also between towns). I am from AZ though and we have the same thing in some places (especially as you get closer to the border) so maybe I just filled in with my own impressions, idk.

Julia

I never really understood why everyone says Gordon Ramsay is just cruel. I didn’t watch all of the shows about helping struggling restaurants. But all episodes I’ve seen, he was direct, sometimes rude but also very kind and nice with those who were struggling with the situation which was often the family of the restaurant owner or staff. He shouted and could be rude sometimes (often situations I could understand some frustration) but at least whenever I watched it he also showed a different side.

s

I am now craving a Cheesecake Factory episode!!!!! They recently bought and corporatized a group of smaller chains w slightly higher quality food (I used to work at one). In general restaurants are excellent fodder for the pod… the attention to aesthetics, the tension between the corporate/chain owners who pander to the consumer and the working class/immigrant laborers who actually sustain the industry, the extremely high rates of substance use and sexual harassment, the gendered performance of “service,” tipping culture in the US arising from the Jim Crow South, the overlap w the gig economy post pandemic

Dr Owlstot

The fact that you have to explain what Guy like like but can't fathom that someone doesn't know what Tate looks like is a product of your work sphere. I have no idea what Tate looks like

Astraea

He always seems pretty mean in the shows where he's working with other chefs (as someone who has only seen a very small amount of Ramsay-verse stuff). That having been said, he also has/had a kids "chef" show where he was famously sweet and encouraging and comforting. I've only seen clips but I thought it was quite cute.

Katelyn

I did briefly liaise with a head chef who’d acquired a Michelin star running one of Ramsey’s restaurants. I heard GR was super chill and nice to work for/with. It’s definitely a persona he puts to appease certain audiences.

themme

another excellent episode thank you 😝😝😝😝

Dr Owlstot

Were justvnot gonna mention that gordon ramsays persona is purely an amercian creation? The american networks wanted that, thats not how he is on the uk shows or irl

Bruce

I know someone who worked closely with Ramsay for a few years (behind the scenes on one of his TV shows) and said that he's much, much cooler in person and that the madman routine is mostly an act, fwiw.

Bruce

Inland Empire really refers to an area in Southern California, while the discussion the pod was about the far north of California (which usually is assumed to be anything above Sacramento, I believe). It's definitely a pretty mixed bag politically. The key aspect being, though, that is just really sparsely populated, especially compared to the rest of the state.

Murphy

I have seen this industry chew people up and spit them out. In Texas, sub-minimum wages my sister had, meant when she had to go on disability, she is now out of luck financially. Not to mention the racism and sexism she had to just put up with, not only from customers, but employers as she aged "behind a bar". Our immigrant neighbor (Here in SF, a father of 3 at my kid's school) having heart attack in kitchen during the pandemic, was a blow. Now, in my midlife just seeing my friend's destroyed by these jobs compared to my friends with desk jobs. Work is hard in the US, and if you don't have a union shop, it is so much harder. I question this whole industry. How to do it ethically?

Murphy

Agree. I think Paul is quite dominating, just English, with Liverpool-ish swagger. Much better vibe than American shows. I'd also say I don't think I've cried laughing so much as the Derry Girls Christmas special. OMG howling so I was. Highly recommend.

Bea

I think Adrian needed a mental break while working on the Thomas Aquinas ep. I'd also like a more meaty episode about celebrity chefs, masculinity and food which draws on the academic literature - but there's nothing to stop them revisiting it in future. I don't expect Patreon-only eps to have the same level of research

Will Robinson

you're right, I'm probably just too close to it. it's been a tough couple years for the service industry & this is such a rich text y'know?

Bea

Yeah I feel that. I think their comments about the food service industry not being life or death came across as a bit dismissive as well, even though I don't think they meant it that way. It's one of the highest stress industries you can work in and the pay, hours, and treatment you get are so shitty ... I think that's one of the ways this reality show treatment of it has been quite harmful. It's both glamorising it and making it look frivolous.

Bea

I think in the US in particular, the roots of food service work in slavery are inescapable. (That's when the practice of tipping became entrenched for example). I think the whole culture around it needs an overhaul, but I'm not sure how you even start that process without government support for strong regulations.

Murphy

IMHO, We have to start with universal healthcare, and protected sick leave for all. So many of these jobs don't have health insurance. Unions help a lot, but you are right, we need large systemic change.

Will Robinson

> comments about the food service industry not being life or death oddly, that is something that we quite literally say to each other when shit is getting bad during service. "what we do is important, but we're not saving lives here." you're right, of course, I just wish this had gotten a more rigorous treatment. the service industry is a weird catch-all for tons of different types of people; in my years I've worked with felons who read at a grade school level & PhD biologists - & everyone in between.

Aleisha B

Re: Guy claiming not to know that Tate brother. I have had to explain Jordan Peterson to two adults who use social media in the last year and neither one of them had ever heard anything of him! He’s been a public figure for more than a decade! I don’t know if Guy is being honest but we really do live in media silos.

Ellie

I feel like I’ve also heard this stereotype about Anglo Australians? Like they will invite you over at a mealtime and not feed you at all. Aussies correct me if I’m off base here!

Nina V~

with the mention of "the menu," i'll just say that i'd LOVE "horror films with ibwtr 2.0" next time y'all need a lighter, less labor-intensive episode

Andrew Carlson

Wait, who’s the complicit SF chef??

Renee

Visiting my Dutch relatives meant getting served very small amounts of food and receiving comments that I wasn't as fat as I looked in photos.

Robert

I love you guys but too be fair despite what he looks like Guy Fieri was raised by hippies in California and has performed over 100 LGBTQ weddings. I feel like I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. I’m chronically online in political circles and I don’t know if I would pick out the Tates from a line up.

Nick M

I waited a week to listen to this episode, mostly because I was afraid it would be a "take down" of Fieri, which I personally wasn't prepared for. I should've trusted you, the episode was as thoughtful as ever and not just weirdo-bashing, so thank you. I've viewed Fieri's shows not so much as a fan but as a good choice for when in mixed company. An agreeable television show when at an in-laws house. I am however a fan of Fieri from the one time he fed me lunch. In 2017 wildfires tore through Santa Rosa, one of his home towns. I was living in Oakland and volunteered at American Red Cross shelters caring for those displaced. If you've never experienced a fire or a shelter, imagine those who end up staying on cots in a temporary mass bedroom for 500 inside a horse arena at a county fairground. Those with the ability escape to their second homes or hotels in San Francisco do. Those at shelters are largely impoverished, elderly, and/or undocumented. In the afternoon I noticed a bit of a commotion and assumed it was a photo op for the governor or mayor. I was pleasantly surprised to see Fieri (inentionally not wearing a flaming shirt) rolling in with a whole catering crew. The shelter residents lined up for lunch and he inhabited his regular persona--unfailingly optimistic and elated to see every last person. He took a photo with every child staying there. The food he served was ludicrous. Cajun pasta with more cheese than penne, something that in one of his restaurants would be called some shit like "Crazy Cajun Pasta Explosion" with "super melty cheese" and "BANGIN' Andoiulle." In a place of such deep despair, where most meals had nothing warm and came with an institutional fruit cup, he delivered on his brand of extreme maximalism. I'm not sure I've ever seen such joy in such sad circumstances. My takeaway from the episode was that, to a certain extent, Guy Fieri is whatever you make of him. A folksy anthropologist of kitschy Americana or a hard charging Red Blooded Real American (cue Kid Rock). Well what I make of him is he's the type of b-list celebrity who showed up when his people needed him most. I'll never forget that.

MLJ

Loved this episode! So thoughtful and loved the multidimensional perspectives… Moira clearly missed the Twitter discourse a few years back about the Swedish making guests of their children wait in another room while the family eats dinner (i.e. if you’re playing a t a friend’s house, they will NOT feed you). There was disagreement about how applicable this still is, but It was hilarious! Also, I’m not Dutch but having lived in NL many years, can say that you are only allowed to take one cookie from a tray at a party…

hendryck lasak

Ferndale is where The Kinetic Sculpture Race finishes. Humboldt is home to freaks and non-freaks of all kinds. Northern California is vast, mentioning Fort Bragg when talking about Ferndale is like going to Long Island and saying that you know Manhattan. For more about Humboldt, check out : The Water Remembers by Amy Bowers Cordalis

audioboy

Yes, I did find it very funny that Moira said anyone would recognize the Tates and then described Guy Fieri for those who couldn't picture him 😂 I think Fieri is MUCH more recognizable to the average American.

Danielle De Lano

Omg I loved this episode. As a long time service industry member, I could talk about the romanticization of the [male] chef foreverrrrrr

Dan Wood

I came here to say this exact thing. (And the comments above). I know WHO Andrew Tate is, but even if I looked at a picture of him 1 minute before, I don’t know that I would recognize him - nothing about his appearance is memorable to me.

Dan Wood

I find myself hearing Moira pronounce certain words and ponder, “have I been saying that wrong whole life?”

Dan Wood

I think it’s similar to an affect that military drill sergeants put on - yell, break down and insult, so then later the congrats and mentoring “means” that much more