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Katie-Didn’t

1:54 YES!!! No one ever seems to notice that! Thank you for making that connection 🥰

Katie-Didn’t

11:07 Wangji is the same age too and I doubt he’d have too many issues taking over suddenly other than grief. And there’s NO chance anyone would be able to manipulate or pressure him. I think the Jiang clan leader was just too good with words and had always made sure he sidestepped any political land mines just like when he and Jiang Cheng were meeting with the Jin clan leader about Yanli’s marriage at cloud recesses after Zichen had insulted her. Regardless of what the Jin clan leader said, even when he tried to imply being insulted, giving insult, and the Jiang clan losing out on all the riches the Jin clan had to offer, the Jiang leader managed to politely say “nope, we’re calling it off unless they both agree”. He WAS training him, but learning that kind of sidestepping IS difficult. However it kept their clan neutral in everything unless something important like the war, that NEEDED to involve everyone came up. It also let everyone know they didn’t play favorites. I’m just not sure Jiang Cheng would EVER be cut out for that particular leadership style even though he might learn to stay neutral in other ways if he wanted to… like basically giving everyone the “screw you” vibe would work with him.

Katie-Didn’t

34:20 That’s the face of “the leftover evil Wens” right there. The Madam, Wen Qing, and cinnamon roll Wen Ning they’re looking for just EXEMPLIFY the atrocities committed… 🫣

Katie-Didn’t

40:10 This particular place is their version of Auschwitz- they’re experimenting. Notice the flag is the same or similar to the one you see in the present that lures ghosts? They’re seeing what happens when used on different people and such. Wuxian explained they were experimenting and using “live bait” to get prey for the hunt when he was at the banquet. I won’t spoil who the Mengele of this place is.

lordj

Basically, Wen Ning was dead and Wuxian resurrected him, he is basically a zombie now. But due to censorship, they have to make this roundabout thing that Wen Ning is not dead, only his spirit was taken.

Katie-Didn’t

47:49 of course they’re going to blame him! It’s either that or cleanup completely which they can’t do anymore since Wuxian is taking people away. They are NOT going to admit what they did.

Katie-Didn’t

51:53 Wen Ning’s cognition was partially taken by the statue- and like missing a kidney makes it so you’re more prone to certain diseases, he was sensitive to nearby ghosts and possession was more likely. That’s why Wuxian gave him the spiritual protection bag (which worked completely and he didn’t have a single episode after that), it’s also why he was SPECIFICALLY wanted for the ghost luring experiment and the protection bag, which you saw he was clinging to even when he couldn’t move anymore because he’s smart like that, is why they didn’t get the results they thought they would.

Nina Wu

I’m so glad that people on YouTube will get to watch the reactions to episodes 26 and 27 together (if you’re still planning to do that), because for me that’s the worst cliffhanger between episodes 😭 Meanwhile, those of us on Patreon are going to suffer waiting for the reaction to episode 27 and the continuation of Wangji and Wuxian’s conversation 😭

Nina Wu

and yes… Wei Wuxian is a prodigy, even without a golden core he found another way to become so powerful that he could do whatever he wanted with those clans (Wangji is the only one who’s his equal in power in “orthodox” cultivation), BUT thank goodness Wuxian is a good person tho 😭

Boston_TC

I love that you are going to call Jin Zixun the cousin of Jin Zixuan. "The Cousin" is perfect. You know he'd be pissed to be referred to by that.

Dan

Man the score in this show is so good

Mayora Marly

This episode always hurts my heart.

nancy metz

Wuxian can't remember who he is anyway. Scumbag cousin.

nancy metz

Does any one remember Wei Wuxian's youthful innocence when they made that vow? I think the change he has had to go through is heartbreaking. You said that you think Wuxian hasn't changed, but I disagree. He's become harder, more disaluioned with people. More determined to do what is right and just.

nancy metz

Question: nei haugnson (sp), little bro, always carries a fan, not a sword. Nobody makes anything about that except occasionally his big bro. The only time I've seen him with a sword was at the Wen induction. Is it because no one gives him a second thought anyway?

KatyBeth

This is probably one of my fav eps. The scene when Wuxian confronts the cousin in front of the clans is just so good. Not only do you see clearly how much the clans fear him but his acknowledgement that he knows they do and they should. Just so brilliant! Loving your analysis throughout! I've watched it a few times its one of the series that you rewatch and see so many nuances each time.

nancy metz

As scummy as cousin Zixun is and as much of a bully he is, clan leader Jin never involves him in his snakey schemes. The idiot isn't trustworthy. I like how you compare him to Wen Chao. Right on the mark, imho.

Happy happyyy

Wen Ning was technically dead, China banned "bring dead people to life again" so they have to make a few funny excuses for that. Also those puppets they say were all dead zombies too, in the novel, WWX even said that he dug a lot of Wen soldier's graves to make his army in the Sunshot Campaign. They have to change all that due to censorship and to make WWX less wicked (I mean he isn't a bad person but he did cultivate demonic) as a main character.

Leaf

Jiang Cheng is also easily influenced, which is not a good quality as a Clan leader. He listens and believes in rumors way too much.

Leaf

The reason Wen Ning is called the Ghost General is because he's literally a ghost/ zombie in the og story, so I'm also curious to know what happened to him in the drama

Leaf

Yanli and Wen Qing would be fire.

Leaf

It's such hypocrisy that cultivators call Wei Wuxian demonic when he defends the weak and innocent meanwhile they committed genocide on a whole clan

Sakura

I agree with you about the fact that Wei Ying didn't change, he remained true to himself throughout and simply acted with what he could to protect his loved ones (Aka the "demonic" cultivation), to keep his secrets and to fight for what was right (and that's a hill I will die on 😂). In reality, if we go further, we can easily draw parallels with our world. After all, History is written by the victors and that is why it is a bit of our duty not to be satisfied with only the version of stories we are given but to seek out different points of view even among the opponents. But that's a whole another topic 😂

Sakura

The "spiritual cognition" (often translated from Chinese as lingqi or related to the soul) refers to the core consciousness, intelligence, and sentience that makes up a person's soul, which can be extracted, manipulated, or lost. When it is taken, the person may become a soulless, non-sentient entity, similar to a "fierce corpse" or a walking corpse, while their body remains. You can think of it as the soul of the person and the golden core as their power center. At the moment, there is no way to bring back someone's spiritual cognition once it's completely lost.

Katie-Didn’t

You ARE correct Nancy. That’s actually why Auschwitz remains standing in Poland- it was repeatedly investigated and inspected to prove that the war crimes ACTUALLY happened as the camps and everything that happened were completely denied in court, repeatedly, with appeals, despite the witnesses and whole countries worth of facts and people and tattoos. So Wuxian trying to prove himself innocent is basically impossible. Especially since his NEW methods are uncharted territory and no one knows what he can and can’t do, much less how to find out whether it’s his work or someone else’s. But just like he didn’t think twice before wholloping Jin Zichuan (peacock) in cloud recesses the first time he insulted Yanli, he’s gonna defend the people he cares about with the appropriate force using whatever he’s got around at the time. The ONLY way I can say he’s changed is that he’s gotten older, been through more really bad things, and doesn’t laugh as easily. That’s a normal change considering he went straight from being beaten senseless by Madam Yu to hauling around and caring for Jiang Cheng and Yanli’s dead weight, rescuing Jiang Cheng, researching how to fix him, getting caught by the Wen’s and chucked into the Burial Mounds, straight out into a war after 3 months of hell there, win the war to deal with sneaky political persecution, then find the people that saved your life being experimented on. Not a lot for even him to find the silver lining and no time to process. All in all handling it REALLY well with the masks.

Katie-Didn’t

She’d have someone ALWAYS standing up for her and Wen Qing would never go hungry again 🥰

Katie-Didn’t

Hehehe I forgot that till you mentioned it. He dig up the dead Wen’s and made them fight their own people to build resentment so they’d become more fierce 😈😂

Katie-Didn’t

I LOVE that scene too! He never even DOES anything, or even THREATENS too, just points out that he CAN and they’re so terrified that he counts and they all fold 😂😂😂 A countdown like that brings me no end of joy

Katie-Didn’t

It’s because he never did it to begin with and technically he’s what would NORMALLY be considered “a failed cultivator” because he didn’t form his golden core by a certain age (you can still do it, and he did, but you’ve already lost so much time cultivating as a young’un that you’ll never achieve the ‘I’m over 100 and look 50’ thing) and they’re generally kicked out of clans. He’s the exception because he’s the only heir unless his brother gets married and gets to work which he’s shown NO signs of.

Katie-Didn’t

Quick question, the “ling” in lingqi refers to the “yang” of the soul since they divide the soul into 2 parts, correct? Or am I thinking of the spirit? One part continues on to reincarnation and the other is the specific “you” of this life which remains and is the part they’re dealing with as resentful ghosts supposedly. Or is “lingqi” both parts? I know it’s mentioned in one of the novels for clarification but I can’t remember exactly.

Katie-Didn’t

His NATURE never changed. He just got older and didn’t stop going through horrible things from the time Madam Yu whipped him senseless till… well this episode still hasn’t shown a break. He laughs less, we haven’t seen his “happy” smile in quite a bit, and rare smiles at all. However, he hasn’t even had a break to deal with ANYTHING since Lotus Pier so I wouldn’t consider it a change so much as carrying a LOT and keeping the momentum going because he can’t stop when there’s still things to do. Because that’s who he’s always been, regardless of what it costs him he’ll keep going till his body gives out or he’s dead if he’s got stuff he needs to do for people he cares about, much less debts owed or promises to keep. His smile isn’t gone or lost, the curves just can’t pull up against the weight right now. As soon as he can process and rest a bit, it’s still there when he has a reason to smile 😊

Katie-Didn’t

I have to add “Jin cuz” to my lineup of Jins because there’s too many with the LEAST memorable or pronounceable names. I’ve got Jin dimples, Jin peacock, leader Jin (peacock’s dad) occasionally Jin ‘Ho, and Mo Jin (Wuxian’s current body because I can only remember what his name MEANS (emptiness crow or raven?) not his actual name). It’s sad because my name is unpronounceable unless you’re from somewhere in vaguely Eastern Europe, speak an Eastern European or nearly so language for pronunciation guidelines (arbitrary lines on maps vs language similarities), or are into history or catholic saints, but I don’t actually expect anyone to say my name properly if they aren’t family, or even correct them after it’s pronounced wrong (it ends up being a 5-10 minute conversation I’ve been having since I started school, mostly with me repeating my name slowly over and over while it’s repeated back wrong over and over so I just skip it). I’m truly, genuinely shocked and jolted into speechlessness, then stuttering if someone I don’t know says it right… then I’m gonna get a little paranoid like they must have been stalking me or something because NO WAY that just happened by coincidence. Having a name like this causing me no end of difficulties my whole life, being born and raised in “The South” USA PO BOX Bible Belt, Tobacco State, on a TINY island about 3 miles north of the South Carolina border where all the cotton is, no one in my family actually knowing if my 4 siblings and I are considered Native Americans, “Brown” (from the 1/4 Blackfoot, 1/4 Jewish/Hebrew descent, plus Polish mix includes lots of invasions from Turkey and Hungary aside from Russia, Germany, Lithuania, and Bulgaria) which is altogether more than 50% not white which is not CLOSE to safe for crossing that border. It was a bit terrifying when I actually understood what people were talking about, conversationally, in public, not even trying to hide it or pretend they were joking (I was a teenager before I understood what racism was and thought it made as much sense as hating tall people or people with freckles) but unless my name comes up, I can get through with a fake accent if I have to talk and up my skin is more white than makeup is commonly sold (which doesn’t matter anyway since I’ve never seen ANYONE sell makeup that can handle whatever my tone is because it’s definitely not the standard W,N,C setup even if I can find a pale enough shade). The moment I say my name though… the most repeated phrase I’ve heard, ever is spoken: “Yain’t from round (h)ēre arya.” (You ain’t from around here are you (“h”sometimes hard, sometimes soft or dropped with the “e” VERY emphasized and drawn out till it starts sounding like they mean the square foot I’m standing on, then immediately flows into ‘here are you’ like it’s one word, and not a question but an accusation)). Personally, I find it hilarious my foreign name ALONE causes that reaction, but if I’m speaking normally and lack the regional accent- too much time around different cultures in various areas growing up so no particular accent stuck- making everyone immediately disbelieve me and say the exact same thing for at least 35 years.It’s the same thing in North Carolina no matter where I’m living except when I was working at UNC because I was working in cancer research and we (the permanent employees) had people rotating in from all over the world and I LOVED it. We also made a point of rotating through trying food from a different person’s Country/culture once a month and they could either pick the place and order or we’d pitch in the money so they could make something and we’d know it was authentic food, not Americanized (like how there’s no such thing as Mexican rice, it’s made up for Americans, in Mexico they just have rice like everyone else but not like Mexican restaurants serve it with almost everything). I only went to South Carolina a couple times, and it was to meet up with friends in Myrtle Beach which is a fairly well known tourist spot that was 1-1.5hrs away depending on speed and traffic of single lane roads- it was VERY rural on the coast along the border and people were scary sitting on porches with shotguns and rebel flags all over everything like they were “hello kitty” stickers and they’d given a whole pack to a 3yo girl after a bag of candy and a couple glasses of Kool-Aide, saw more churches than houses along the main road; maybe one every 3 miles even if the whole area was a cotton field. I couldn’t get gas without repeatedly being asked if I’d been saved and just wanted to say I REALLY wanted to be RIGHT then and there 😂 It’s BECAUSE of these lifelong issues that I really DO make an effort to learn proper pronunciation for names I haven’t heard before (although some people have names like “Herb” NOT “Herbert”, I have a hard time not dropping the “h” with because it’s a word, not a name…) whether they’refrom a culture foreign to me or not. But if I can’t remember I’m not gonna keep saying the wrong name or screwing it up, especially with fiction when they just use too many difficult or extremely similar names without really (not like changing the 3rd letter of the name of a bunch of siblings, or fitting 1,2,3 etc into each name but keeping the rest the same which would still suck to memorize, but at least there’s a reason they’re so similar and it makes sense why) with the same surname. I mean, this is a book/script,and translated into something like 30+ languages? It could have been planned better. They get nicknames. If I’m not pitching fits irl, pretty sure it’s fine when it’s not the MC. Get the MC right and I doubt anyone will be THAT upset lol 😂

Sakura

Yes, more or less. In Mo Dao Zu Shi, which draws from traditional Chinese Daoist spiritual concepts, the soul is generally understood to be composed of two main parts: the Yang (spiritual, ethereal) and the Yin (corporeal, substantive). The Yang Soul (Hun - 魂): This represents the three Hun (三魂). It is considered the conscious, intelligent, and spiritual part of a person. The Yin Soul (Po - 魄): This represents the seven Po (七魄). It is the corporeal part that remains with the body (corpse) after death. As for what I was talking about: Ling (灵/靈): Spirit (spiritual), soul, agile, or sacred. Qi (气/氣): Air, breath, or energy. In Mo Dao Zu Shi, the Qi (气, qì) is the vital energy that exists in all things. There are four major subtypes of qi: - yang energy (阳气, yáng qì) - positive, warm energy, - yin energy (阴气, yīn qì) - spiritual energy (灵气, líng qì), - resentful energy (怨气, yuàn qì) Only read if you already saw the drama or read the novel ! Since Wen Ning didn't lost his whole Yang soul, we talk here about his spiritual recognition (lingqi). As a fierce corpse, he lost the ability to cultivate traditional spiritual energy. And for his yang, unlike typical corpses or puppets that are mindless, Wen Ning was special because Wei Ying managed to preserve his sentience and personality. He remained "alive" in spirit, retaining his memories and gentle nature, although he could easily enter a frenzied, uncontrollable state. Also if you are wondering about that point: Lingqi vs Ling (Character): While Lingqi refers to spiritual energy, the name Jin Ling (金凌) uses a different character (凌), which means to "rise above" or "soar," often interpreted as his desire to overcome the prejudices others have against him. I will probably explain his courtesy name later in the drama if it's needed.

Sakura

Nancy? 😁 I agree but I was more talking about what is presented to us as Truth on daily basis. We, the majority of us, don't really investigate about what we are told is really true or not. We believe in our truth without considering the others aspects of it. I'm not telling that the opponents tells the truth either. Just we need to cultivate our critical thinking skills, and the fact that our history books often if not always give one side of the events (for every events not only WW 2). Like for example, during and after WW2, there was some acts done by the Allies who were also kinda in the same type of what we see here with the jin clan (Mass rapes, ethnic cleansing, strategic bombing of residential areas, massacres and summary executions, conditions of captivity (Gulag for example). Some government punished those who committed these acts but other encouraged it. And that part of the history is not talked about or in a very watered down version.

Katie-Didn’t

I’ve actually done the deep dives on the names anyway. Name meanings and etiology fascinate me when they REALLY mean something. Thank you!!!! For the clarification!!! I was going to have to go hunt through all 5 ebooks if no one replied after a few hours because some things will just niggle at my brain till I have to or be haunted by the question till I suddenly remember randomly at any given time for no reason 😂.

Katie-Didn’t

Gaaahhhh. When I hit reply, the comment I could see was Namy’s and I just typed without thinking even though it CLEARLY displays who I’m replying to. Sorry Sakura! Yes, I agree with all those things too. It’s actually why I avoid the news because you’re never getting all the information, it’s not particularly helpful in general, just depressing, the same story almost always changes within a week because no one checks on anything before reporting and you’re still not getting the whole story anyway. Unless I’m going to truly research a topic and make a I have my facts straight, for instance a good one that few people realize because they failed to read the scientists 2 subsequent papers who was doing the study, just the news and daytime TV reporting on the first paper he published. There is no such thing as gluten sensitivity- this is fact. It’s all based on a preliminary paper the scientist published, the follow-up study showed that no one was actually reacting to the gluten in their diet and it was something else completely, and his 3rd paper added a complete retraction of his primary findings of any kind of health issues related to gluten if you don’t have celiac’s disease and went on to describe the “nocebo effect” which is the mirror of the placebo effect- rather than receiving something fake you’re told has a specific effect and you’re brain overrides your normal responses to create that effect, you’re given something that you previously said had a specific effect, but you are not told it’s present and it hasn’t been present for several weeks, when suddenly introduced daily nothing happens because you aren’t aware of its presence. Once you BECOME aware you start having the symptoms again because your brain is overriding your body’s normal response to create them as with the placebo effect, except for a negative response. That’s what had started happening with gluten once more people started hearing about it over several years. That and being vegan doesn’t mean you’re not killing anything with a consciousness as they’ve already proven plants can think, communicate, feel pain, and recognize the exact people who caused the pain (cutting off healthy branches, or with a fern snapping off the looong stems, they emit vibrations and sound waves, possibly chemical reactions we wouldn’t pick up on that other plants would when the person who caused the pain comes in the room). For WWII some other examples are how much the tests contributed to the scientific foundation we use and how ambiguous it was whether to use the findings or not. Mengela was less than human but did the science properly even if it was without consent, consideration, or morals. But without it the start of genetics would be MUCH further behind. I can’t even form an opinion about it and many countries gave similar people a new identity for their expertise. And yes, many people wanted to eradicate all Germans after it was over when, in reality, the government didn’t want the general population to know the nasty details either, or even most of the soldiers. Too much risk they wouldn’t go along with it all’s it would only take a few people to free everyone. In general, most of the soldier grunts that DID know also had families of questionable heritage and that was the leverage to keep them quiet. Yes, they COULD have made the decision to announce everything, but it could also be easily denied and with their family suddenly gone “the soldier obviously had a breakdown because they left while he was doing his duty” so they could have done it all for nothing too. Maybe someone would have believed them, but they likely would have just had an accident. There would have had to have been undeniable proof smuggled out but anything is deniable if no one WANTS to believe it. Just like gluten sensitivity, it was retracted over 15 years ago. People don’t WANT to believe it. And people don’t WANT to research and think critically, that’s SUPPOSED to be what the reporters and anchors do so everyone can have confirmed results delivered. Unfortunately, that’s just not how it works. Everyone needs a little George Carlin in their lives (RIP) to get a little Sacred Clown truth about how the world really is because the only way to know things for sure is to differentiate facts from opinions, dig for facts, and put together the ones that actually make sense to complete a big picture, or a little one that fits into the other little ones to make the big one. If all the facts only make sense from one POV, but not another, gotta try again because some “facts” only pretend to be facts. Like papers that look like real scientific publications, but when you check them they’re really just fancy blogs made to make people think they’re fact. We may not LIKE the facts, we may not WANT to believe what the picture is when we’re done, but if that’s the only thing that makes sense no matter how you look at it… it is what it is and anything else is someone trying to tell you the picture is of something completely different when you can see it plainly with your own 2 eyes. If people invested their time into this instead of coming up with brand new terms that are SUPPOSED to be less offensive (who was offended, why, and about what EXACTLY) than the previous ones, or new gender pronouns, I feel like critical thinking skills and therefore grades in every subject would HUGELY improve along with personal independence, problem solving, and people finding ways to help themselves before needing help from others. Look at these teens not wasting time on being polite and getting things done that matter👍 Time management- we’ve all only got so much time, what we spend it doing should at least be important to ourselves rather than other people, but important as a general rule is even better. Making people less offended by the arbitrary words of the week isn’t really high on my list. I’m crippled, my mom is deaf, my uncle is blind and retarded, I have gay family (their word preference) one family member was born a hermaphrodite and has heard it all, doesn’t care, an aunt with a lazy eye that needs surgery about every 10 years and all of us think the PC terms are dumb.they’re starting to change the names of the medical diagnosis to be “nicer” and when my doctor was trying to explain the new names to me I was like “does it change my condition? Why are we changing the names then? A turd by any other name still reeks…” Before you know it cancer will be “involuntary growth disorder” which still doesn’t change the facts or that making it sound nicer doesn’t make it nicer.

Katie-Didn’t

Not to mention with WWII the whole ENIGMA issue which everyone can argue about forever because there was right AND wrong done there at every step.

Olivia

Yanli and wen wing the best sisters cp 🥰

Sakura

Indeed

Katie-Didn’t

I can’t help it I’m dying! Every time I hear “dark lord” I picture turnips 😂😂😂😂. I’m not saying anything else but I can’t contain the turnips 🤣🤣🤣

nancy metz

You are right. His nature hasn't changed at all. It's the burden he's carrying that's showing.

Deenita Morton

Really enjoying your reaction. I love how sometimes you are spot on about things and people.

Katie-Didn’t

This one is hard for me and when I first saw it I thought it was the most hurt I’d feel, but that one, for me, is just a few more away. I cry every time in the one where Wen Qing thanks him. Everything is gonna hit everyone differently and that episode is just what hits me.

Meri

I LOVE the rain scene sm omg

Paco Gum

He was nerfed but he is still powerful! LOL!

nancy metz

I love how you shout at the show just as I do. That's hilarious.

mase

i have to say i disagree with everyone saying he hasn't changed at all. he has, both canonically and imo, noticeably. of course his personality and values overall have not changed, and he does still have the same opinions/feelings as in the beginning! but they're talking about his temperament, which has definitely changed. he's far less patient or careful now. when he was at odds with others in the past, he would take a more light-hearted, mischievous approach. he was less likely to speak out directly, but when he did, it was much more teasing and jokey. now, he holds more anger (and i think this is both a result of what he's been through since the beginning--all that trauma--as well as the resentful energy surrounding him/his new cultivation methods) which has clearly effected him on multiple occasions by now, needing lan wangji and/or his sister to stop him from losing control. of course, nothing he's saying is wrong, and personally i don't have a problem with him speaking out more directly against the gross behavior/attitudes of those hypocritical clans. but i don't think it's true to say he hasn't changed, because he definitely has, and it's canon that he's meant to. he gets angry easier and holds back less. whether that's a positive or negative thing to us who view all of this from a modern perspective and different cultural backgrounds, doesn't really matter. it's still a change, and to most who know wei wuxian in this fictional universe, it's problematic and concerning on multiple levels, some of them more or less valid than others.