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Katie-Didn’t

Something of note- in ancient China a Tiger Tally was an object that was used by the emperor as a signal to go to war. It was kept in 2 pieces and one piece stayed with the general commanding the troops. When the emperor was ready to give the go-ahead for war, he’d send his half of the Tiger Tally, usually in a lockbox or puzzle box the general already had the key to open, and as long as the two pieces of the Tiger Tally (not necessarily even a Tiger) fit together then it wouldn’t be considered a counterfeit and he’d carry out whatever orders he’d been given in advance or sent with the Tally (he’d keep both pieces just in case to prove his innocence in case someone somehow managed to make a copy of the emperor’s half). So Wuxian calling his item the Yin Tiger Tally implies that he has 2 halves and using them together is calling up the troops for war. The Yin implies calling up any and all the dead which would be a bit difficult because whenever someone on your side dies, they get back up and join Wuxian fighting against you… so yeah, it even SOUNDS a bit terrifying once you think it through.

Nalyria

after you finish The untamed pls react to Word of honor or The spirealm both chinese bromance adopted from danmei ლ(´ ❥ `ლ)

EllenD

LOL maybe Jin Guangyao can become the new "demon twink" if you don't feel like calling him a snake. To be honest, I don't think Wuxian is that politically smart. He's definitely powerful, intelligent, and *morally* correct, but he's not politically savvy imo. (The Jins definitely are, though, even if they're *not* moral.) Case in point: he managed to make enemies and paint a target on his own back as well as alienate his allies in this episode. You mentioned that Jiang Cheng shouldn't have disagreed with Wuxian in public because that's not showing a united front, but I honestly think Wuxian was also undermining his clan leader's authority by solo picking a fight with another clan. It's like if Jon Snow barged into a banquet and started beef with one of the Lannisters without Robb or Ned's input, and then threatened to unleash the wildings on everyone there. Even if it was for a good reason, it would make the Starks look bad and undermine Robb/Ned's authority. And come to think of it, I can't see Wuxian doing something like this if Jiang Fengmian (Daddy Jiang) was alive and present. But at the same time... I don't think Daddy Jiang would have let the Jins steamroll everyone either... But at the same time..... I have to admit this was the episode when I LOVED Wuxiang. It's his ride-or-die personality, you gotta love it. Literally NO ONE else was gonna help Wen Qing, but Wuxiang stepped up. And regarding everything else that happened, I have another maybe-spoiler that's actually just a book/show difference. But JUST IN CASE, I put it in a comment below.

EllenD

Regarding Wen Ning: In the book the term "Ghost General" is taken way more literally. Because Chinese censorship doesn't allow depiction of actual ghosts/zombies (as in, the spirits or reanimated forms of dead people), they portray it as "Wen Ning isn't dead, he just lost his spiritual cognition." But in the OG material, he's dead. But anyway in both mediums, he becomes the entity known as the Ghost General afterwards.

Trolltek

I mean that's a good point, but I think Wuxian IS politically aware but he also just doesnt give a fuck to act accordingly. Honestly he is lowkey giving Daemon Targaryen, like he knows what he's doing but he's also like 'fuck it im about to create chaos for the love of the game'

EllenD

OH MAN, I love my boy Daemon as much as I love Wuxian tho. (I know he's an awful person but he's a badass bad boy and played by Matt Smith, and I'm only human.) I guess he's Wuxian without the scruples and the effort to at least TRY to act right.

Katie-Didn’t

That. Except more… “I know what’s happening but can’t everyone PLEASE stop doing dumb shit for a few days so I can get drunk and fly a kite or something? I’m TIRED! I WANT WINE! But I have to keep fighting wars and rescuing people and saving other people from saying something they shouldn’t in front of everyone and I never signed up for this! Master Jiang just told me if I home with him there’d be food! No one said anything about all the other stuff…” He low-key wants freedom more than anything else, he just feels guilty about it. He’d rather be a farmer than a cultivator though, like most people that SHOULD have power he wants nothing to do with it. I mean, he’s definitely the farmer that’ll tear up his neighbors crops for messing with his, but he’s NOT the guy that messes with anyone else first.

Katie-Didn’t

Random timeline update- they ARE still referring to them as teenagers in this episode, but I started re-reading the novels because too many little things have slipped my mind and been irritating me that I can’t remember so I remember the show had said differently and I even think I had posted something close, but Master Jiang found Wuxian wandering the streets of Yingling and took him back to Yunpeng (Lotus Pier) when he was 9. He should have been 15 when he first arrived at Cloud Recesses for lectures (episode 3). As of the last hunt where everyone spent more time arguing about which way Wuxian was wrong, getting between his sister and the guy habitually insulting her, or by hunting too much prey Wuxian was SUPPOSED to be 20. This is the timeline for the novels though. No story events were removed to make them younger in the series, more like they made some events pass more quickly, like the war not lasting as long, and leaving out some things there wasn’t any way to actually DO with censorship if you can’t have anyone rise from the dead (it takes a lot of time to find bodies that died IN the war, are cultivators, and died with the proper mix of negative feelings, then dig up enough to make difference, prepare them to come back to “life” and start fighting at a moment’s notice (he had a ‘training program’ for ghosts and all classifications of undead, they never say what, but the implication was boot camp that just got harder and worse every time the obstacle course was completed to increase their resentment/strength & stamina, overall skills including speed while being pushed to see what their limits really were as they’d generally never tried them, and increasing his control over them) so they’d be the ones used for the bodies when needed), and the live version can’t show the only 2 times he actually used said army because, ya know, dead people coming back to life all over the place till there’s a literal army. The anime KINDA shows one time (it’s not when he was supposed to have done it and it’s not as described in the novels) and with the animation quality being soooo good (like, this and Heaven Official’s Blessing kinda ruined Japanese anime for me, I’m 100% spoiled now) and the scene being badass anyway it’s absolutely SPECTACULAR! So major fights there and lots of time cut out to easily. I’m fairly sure they purposely made Wuxian and Wangji younger simply FOR censorship so the “lifelong confidants” could more honorably faint on each other and catch each other’s falls and such since they aren’t ACTUALLY adults or even approaching adulthood yet by normal custom if parents are living. So censorship can let more pass if they’re teenagers that have been well acquainted, through life and death repeatedly, and made a binding oath to the heavens together