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Uncomplicating The Recent "Complicated" Palestine/Israel Conflict, And Even More News - New Episode of Even More News with no ads! (Patreon)

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2021-05-14 17:22:38
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2021-05-14 17:23:47
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2026-06
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Hi. In this week's episode we're also discussing Bill Gates, masks, and croutons, with guest co-host, Katie Goldin and guest, Dave Schilling. Check out Dave's new podcast, Galaxy Brain!

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Aaron Mark Anderson

I love how Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post. Now I always expect 100% bulls***.

Aaron Mark Anderson

I've actually have eaten Salad and croutons with a spoon because I had no forks to use. It took almost 2 hours to eat that salad. Never again. Lol

Jon

Just a reminder on Epstein’s taste in decor, his NY $56 million mansion was originally a private K-12 school

Nate

Sorry guys, but randomly shooting rockets into a country is not a "protest" - it's literally an attack. If Mexico had (for example) fired thousands of rockets into the US to protest US mistreatment of so called "illegal immigrants from Mexico" there wouldn't be a country called "Mexico" anymore. The "context" here requires we all accept that shooting missiles indiscriminately into a civilian population is fine because the people doing it have a good reason. Sorry... That's not acceptable regardless how sympathetic to their situation you might be. Regarding the occupied territories? I agree it's not acceptable to seize land or property "extra-judicially" as Israel has done. That said, at the Camp David Summit US President Bill Clinton, Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat negotiated for peace and Arafat got almost everything he wanted - to include a two state solution - but Arafat demanded the "right of return" and refused to sign the agreement without that. The "right of return" continues to be an absolute and nonnegotiable demand of the Palestinians and accepting it would mean the end of Israel so it's a non-starter for the Israelis. Seeking that as a nonnegotiable element of any position is an effective way to guarantee any negotiation will always fail. As for the origins of Israel? It's actually the Jewish state 2.0. That land is the traditional homeland of the Jewish people and where they happened to all have been BEFORE the Jewish diaspora. When the Romans sent them off all over the Roman empire as slaves it effectively emptied the land and that is when it was settled by the Palestinians. And many of those Palestinians settlers chose to leave at the urging of Israel's Arab neighbors because it was expected those Arab neighbors would win the impending war against Israel and to remain in that environment would be risky. The Palestinians that stayed are Israeli citizens and the Palestinians that fled are now "stateless citizens" in "refugee camps" in those neighboring Arab countries. Now consider why the Palestinians living in those refugee camps in Jordan or Lebanon AREN'T citizens of those countries despite having been there since the 60s, with their children and their grandchildren all having been born there. That's 80 years ago, more than enough time for them to establish a home... But they still haven't... (or haven't been allowed to?) Of course I've been told that historical claims to land aren't compelling, which is why the Jewish claims to their ancestral homeland aren't valid: it was too long ago. But I guess 80 years isn't "too long ago." Which I guess makes sense: after all, ask a kid born in Jordan, with parents that were born in Jordan, ask that kid where they are from and they'll tell you they're from "Palestine" and will then point to where Israel is on the map to show where that is. And rather than allow the Palestinians to actually build a home and settle where they are, they happen to be the only refugees that aren't ever going to be absorbed into the country where they are - as a matter of UN policy, the only refugee population where that is the policy - and that's because they're preputial refugees to be used as a cudgel in a proxy war between the Arab states that have pledged to drive Israel into the sea and the region's only democracy, however flawed that democracy may be. Also, please explain how the borders of Israel can't be changed because they won a war they didn't start with countries whos stated goal was to eradicate them and then please explain why Germany doesn't seem to be as big as it had been before WWI. Seems like winning a war sometimes DOES have something to do with how big your country is. Overly simplifying this situation isn't helpful, but you are right it's not overly complicated either. It's hardly an intractable problem BUT it's not anywhere near as one sided as you present here. Text wall aside: I love your work and enjoy the commentary - please keep making this awesome content!

Anonymous Unknown

Hearing someone calling Ariel Sharon 'moderate' will never not be weird to me. Sure, he's moderate compared to Nethanyahu, but it's still like calling Donald Rumsfeld 'moderate': It only underlines just how badly things have gone since.