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A flashback...

Have been thinking a lot today about this page and whether it shows enough/says enough... I think it does though!

Accidentally shared this with everyone on Patreon 🤦‍♀️ woops! Sorry to those people for the extremely out of context emotional page 🤦‍♀️

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Ulises

Charlie 😢😢😢

Faye

Oh Charlie’s face breaks me

ACxo

Charlie has come so far it really shows that things get better with time 🥺

Robby C

This page says SO much Alice! It's very emotionally beautiful to have this flashback. Thank you 💛

arlo🧞

nooo not the sad bubbles

Lili

Oh Charlie :(

laura

charlieeeee ☹️

Sarah Parker-Shemilt

Oh Charlie looks completely overwhelmed 💔 Nick is being the kind support Charlie needs at that moment (and the type Sarah talked about in their chat ❤️)

Meg

okay i have a question. Elle said nick and Charlie were together for a year and a half but if they were together last Halloween and Charlie was in the hospital does that mean they were only together six months before that?

Jolien

Wow 😢

Merel

Aww 🥲 Things have massively changed for the better but I still feel so bad for past-Charlie.

RO

💔 wow this really got me, one year has really changed everything for charlie! but i think nick still has some processing to do

carly

Ohhhh ouch :( so proud of how far Charlie’s come but sometimes you forget how fast it was too. Those wounds for both of them are still so fresh :(

Olivia

oh wow automatic gut punch😫😫

lexi

oh my GOD😭😭😭

Charlie

Charlie just looks so sad. This flashback is full of emotion. 🫂

zara ahmed !!

things have gotten so much better for them in a year 🫶🏼 it’s so nice!

Auna 🍉

This says so much. Thank you, Alice 🩷

Nicole

😢😢😢

CinD

Charlie’s face omg 😭 I’m so glad he’s doing better now

Laura

Tbh I’m not ready for this! I‘m totally not ready for Joe Locke portraying Charlie in the hospital.

Chloe ♡

the difference between him not even being sure about watching a movie with his boyfriend on halloween to a year later going to a party full of confidence after winning head boy ❤️

Madeline Hutchinson

Charlie really has come so far, this page just hit me like a truck (in a good way) ❤️

San

Oh i feel so emotional right now 🥺 and with s3 so close.. 🥺 love the page a lot Alice 🫶

Chris

It shows and says so so much and it’s hurt 😞

Kat

You always convey emotions so well Alice. Oh Charlie that face! 🥹

gabs

i knew it was gonna be a flashback but i really was not prepared omg

Ashley Robinson

To see the present along with the tough past is very powerful. Good times and bad. We can do hard things especially with the love and support of those around us.

K
>>148129083

Yup, checks out, they got together in April (Harry's birthday is on April 17th)

Bob Scardino

Is this a flashback to Charlie being in the hospital? And Nick coming to visit on his own? I don't remember seeing this before.

Oliver

Gosh Charlie must have felt so drained and so so tired, even with the amount of rest he was probably getting, just feeling brain dead tired and emotionally shut down </3 so proud to see the difference nowadays for them!!!

M R

It's important sometimes to remember just to see how far we've come🫶 To continue healing. Supporting Charlie must've been so tough🥺 I love Nick and Charlie sm❤️‍🩹🤧

a

my love :( i love him sm

Henna Punjabi

how hard that must be for both of them, to think back on a year ago

Aims

oh god, charlie looked so broken and empty :( i'm so glad things got better for him 🫶🏼

Paola✨

Oh Charlie 🥺🥺🥺🥺💔 It was a difficult year but I'm so happy that you're much better ❤️‍🩹

Jodie KH

I feel like he’s either so drained and numb or is about to get snappy with nick- but as always they will work it out ❤️

ashley ✨

charlie :((( i wanna give him the biggest hug

Bob Scardino
>>148129344

Thanks. I was in Rehab when I was 26 and had family visiting. I didn't have a boyfriend at the time but the visits were important and helpful.

Barb

Charlie's eyes😭😭...like he closed the curtains so no one could look into his soul😭😭... so so glad for his healing🫶🏻

Sarah Parker-Shemilt

And yes Alice to feedback on your point (if you want feedback, please ignore if not!) yes I do feel it makes it clear and provides a contrast of where Charlie is now mentally. IMO Nick also went through something pretty traumatic as a loved one so it’s not a surprise he is still dwelling on this.

Nellie Lovett

This page shows so much of what Nick & Charlie both went through. It breaks my heart but it’s amazing to see how far they’ve both come in a year 😢❤️🥹

Desi23

This pararell killing me in a good way! Charlie is now a new boy, more confident, more strong , the past was really hard yes, but now look at him now! Thank you so much for this panel Alice!!❤️😍🌈🍂

Lauri

this is from the hospital 🥺

Yasmin Fiuza

We can tell it's referencing the time Charlie was at the hospital, so I think the page does exactly what you intended it to do. Also, I was wondering, how do you manage to do different calligraphy for multiple characters? Like, do you have a file telling how each of their handwriting should look like or you just go with it?

Fran

Omg that remind me of a comic you did!! But Nick brought something to dress up 🥹

San

hi alice, i just wanted to thank you so much for sharing this story with us. my 15 year old sister has finally agreed to get inpatient psychiatric treatment thanks to charlie which made her less scared and let her know that there’s a happy ending. we are eternally grateful for you🩷🩷

Previ

a lot of people are worried about charlie, but to watch someone go through something so traumatic is a trauma in itself. get nick some therapy. the boy needs it.

Nikki

This page… I don’t think I remember ever seeing Charlie look so broken than on this page. Though I often think about how Nick made the effort to go and visit him, he knew he couldn’t fix Charlie but he knew he could be there for him. Can’t believe these two halloweens are just a year apart. I know everyone’s journeys are different but this is going to be a testament to how things can get better when you ask for/accept help. Am quietly hoping it might inspire Nick to maybe seek therapy/open up more. This page is an emotional rollercoaster Alice!

Jasollie
>>148129083

I know their official anniversary is in April, but I can imagine they think of January as when their life changed. :)

aliceoseman
>>148129737

I just go with it! The continuity probably isn't amazing but I have a general idea what Nick and Charlie's handwriting looks like :)

Merel

This page stands in such stark contrast to the previous one. It's poignant and evocative, and powerfully demonstrates how different things are now. It's beautiful to see how much better Charlie is doing, but I'm also interested in seeing how all of this has affected Nick. I have a feeling he still hasn't properly processed it, because he's been too focused on Charlie's recovery instead of his own mental health. I'm excited to see this storyline progress, thank you for another gorgeous page Alice x

Murgy

Oh God, it didn't occur to me that it had only been a year since he was there. So much happens in so little time its amazing how far they've come. Alice, its a very emotionally charged page and beautifully done, thank you for sharing it with us. Even if you have caused some fans to scratch their heads in confusion today.

Jasollie

Wondering if Nick ever came to visit solo but I'm guessing he only came with Jane and Julio (or Sarah could have driven him?) because he didn't have a drivers license at this point.

Jay

I can’t believe you are able to bring so many emotions out of a drawing. I still get amazed by that. I believe going through that as a couple changed their relationship forever but also made it a whole lot stronger. which is why it actually make sense they can last through a life time together.

Ciara

Oh it’s devastating but so powerful ❤️❤️ Charlie has come so far!

Sadie Rue

hospital hocus pocus date made it to canon yessss😭😭

Carly Louise

I feel like Nick could use some of Geoff's magic too given what he's been through ✨️ 🥲

Patrick Cirelli

Funny story... I watched some of Hocus Pocus being filmed as many of the exterior scenes were shot in my hometown of Whittier, California. Yes, I'm also old. 🤣

Krystyn

It’s a beautiful moving page Alice that shows how far Charlie, and Nick, have gone from one Halloween to the next. You master the delicately dark. It’s just the right amount. We can feel Nick’s unfailing love and Charlie’s eyes tells about his struggle. 💜

Jonathan Payne
>>148129288

Same! Somehow it still feels like a gut punch, seeing Charlie so clearly depleted and in a weak state of mind. So glad he is doing better. 🥰

Mandy Kumler

First off this page captures what you are trying to convey. Second this brings up Nick's mental health too. I saw your interview where you said you would like to explore what Nick struggled with and how he handled it all. I would be very interested in seeing that play out. I work with young people and know that the mental health crisis they face right now is profound. That is one of the many things I love about Heartstopper...thought your work you are opening young people to seek help and talk about these issues! Thank you 🥰

Nathalie
>>148130130

I actually don’t think going to the same therapist as your bf is the best idea

Laura Humber

Nick has the kindest heart but needs to remember to be kind to himself. He's been through so much too, being the supporter and always trying to be the 'strong one' can be exhausting. Maybe now he can see that Charlie has come so far he can start to concentrate on his own feelings and talk to someone. This page is beautiful, painful and so emotional Alice 😢❤️

Sarah Parker-Shemilt
>>148129382

I can say from experience those first few weeks are incredible draining as it takes time to build up your energy levels again, and adjust to medication side effects (for me it was heavy brain fog).

Amanda Wetterer

Such a beautiful moving page! Charlie has come so far in his journey! Thank you for the beautiful page Alice!

aniatka

Charlie's face 😔 And Nick who should feel so helpless... Alice, your talent and your skills to portray N&C journey and to make us feel what you want we feel.. It's awesome. I'm speechless, just speechless ❤️❤️❤️

Patrick Cirelli
>>148130157

Even got to play with Kathy Najimy's wee dog. Still not as cool as Alice Oseman knowing I exist, though! 🤣

toneelspeler

i really appreciate the weight you give to both charlie's mental health and the impact it had on nick in particular as well. it's so easy to forget yourself when taking care of a loved one, and with nick being who he is it's not a surprise he finds it difficult to see what impact that moment in time had on him. very excited for this storyline!

Victoria Panaro

This was such a big reminder that Nick is still processing everything he went through the previous year🥺🥹 I Hope he gets the help he needs soon, so they can keep on growing and healing together 🥹🍂🍂💙💛

Emily Hopkins

They've truly been through so damn much together and apart. I think its definitely time for Nick to process with someone who can help him do that ❤️❤️

Cody

I knew Alice would be making me 😭

Carrie Lindley

I hope Nick shares a bit more with Elle. I can imagine he’s afraid to talk with Charlie about his memories of last year, and the pain they cause him. I can imagine Nick worrying that talking about it could make Charlie feel guilty. He might also worry that talking about it could return Charlie to a bad place. Eventually, those fears could be super unhealthy for Nick and their relationship, so I’m hopeful this is the start of a healing journey for him! And hopefully he remembers from his uni visits that he has people outside of Charlie to help him process things.

Audrina

It definitely shows enough according to me -A person who's very mentally ill lol

JP42

I don’t think I could have managed it as anything other than a flashback knowing where they are now. The past comics from around this period did not seem as grim.

Gregory Toner

I read an thought someone on here a while ago wrote and it breaks me every time I think about it… when Charlie was in the hospital at his worst he probably thought Nick would be better off with out him and every time Nick left he would hug Nick extra hard because he was convinced that Nick would never come back … and he would dump him. The thought of Charlie’s Heart breaking every week kills me

Jen
>>148130157

You mean it wasn't filmed in Salem?! I am shooketh! 😲😲 lol

Robert
>>148129952

Public transport would have been difficult because Nick describes the car journey as being 2 hours away. I'm not very good at looking either side of a story so assumed (as the book indicates) only went with Charlie's family. So thank you for this.

Yasmin Fiuza
>>148129737

I think not being perfect is part of the charm. It gives the comic a feeling that those characters are "alive" if you know what I mean

Amber

God, Alice that one hurt, but to see how far Charlie has come is just so wonderful. From heartbreaking to heartwarming! ❤️❤️❤️ And Hocus Pocus being the BEST Halloween movie!!

Tina

i'm so scared for s3

Robert

I have read the books so, so many times and, for me, there is no sign of Nick having mental health problems. That said he does, as he agreed with Elle/Tara, not open up to other people. His unquestioning support of Charlie through his, Charlie's illness (including the build up) is amazing. It is difficult to understand how Nick and his mum could see Charlie has a problem but his parents don't seem to want to do anything for him until Nick goes with him after his, Nick's, birthday. Also I wonder why Tori opted not to do anything.

Loveislove

Wow - this is heavy. I don't think we have seen Charlie so disconnected and listless - so shocking as it is in Nick's presence. Nick must have felt such an ongoing sense of desperation to help Charlie and pit of fear about him getting worse. These are not feelings easy to get over. Add to this a childhood with a bullying brother, divorced parents and absentee father - then discovering his sexuality! I add my vote for therapy for Nick - it has been a momentous time.

Robert

Ironically for me, Hocus Pocus also includes Sean Murray an actor from another of my favourite shows NCIS.

Kirstin Balm

Oh this is a very powerful image / page. It conveys so much.

Courtney McAlexander

This is wonderful, of course very sad, but still wonderful. there’s so much that Nick saw that we never saw, so this really puts into perspective the memories that he carries and holds with him even though Charlie is better now. It also really shows how far Charlie has come!

Adriana

You have such a way of portraying the highs and lows of getting mental health treatment and you evoke it in such a raw and beautiful manner Alice😭❤️

Mae

from the last page i knew this one was gonna make me emotional 😭😭

ZooKeeperHere

I have always hoped that at some point Nick well get his own therapy for everything he went through while Charlie was ill. It is so hard to support someone you love through a mental health crisis.

Ana Alicia Aranda De Contreras

Alice was very emotional, 🥺this page see a little more about what Charlie suffered in the mental hospital🥺😭

NellieSayzBork

It's really interesting to see what we didn't see in vol 4. My poor Charlie...he looks so sad. I'm so glad this is done in flashbacks as we have the comfort of knowing he comes through the other side healthy and happy.

Kristyn

Oh Charlie 😭 What an emotional page. I’m glad we are seeing this now knowing he made it through this. I just love their supportive relationship. I was wondering what their Halloween looked like last year, thank you Alice.

ally

awhhh im so proud of how far he has come

2catlovers

I’d like to see Nick let those emotions out at the party & all his friends rally around him to let him know how much he is truly loved by his found family.

Ignacia

I love the detail of having to make up different types handwriting to write the visitor list what an emotional memory 🩷

Kassie K Wilson

😣😢😢 Oh Charlie… I’m so glad we’re seeing more of his journey. I know it’s intense but it’s such an important part of how he became the person he is. 💜💜💜💜

Beam Bugge

oh this page says a lot, it shows us a boy who usually has interests and an enthusiasm for life but has now lost all his life spark :(

Gregory Toner
>>148131931

I don’t think Nick has mental health problems per se but he is only human and he carries a lot on his shoulders and now and then we all need a good cry or a stronger shoulder to lean on…

Jo Mary

Love it Alice your amazing as always x

CarrieLuvs

The way Charlie can't help but be so closed off, so distant, even after they hug hello, is heartbreaking. I'm reminded of page 1609, Nick's POV as Charlie walked to the stage, and how the way it was drawn accentuated the sense that Charlie was leaving him. This flashback adds even more layers to why Nick is vulnerable to feeling like Charlie might drift away from him (even when times are "good", y'know?). 💔

Beam Bugge
>>148138550

idk if it's canon that charlie has (or had?) a depression but as a fellow depressed individual this is exactly what it looks like, you literally lose all motivation for doing things you normally love doing

Emma

Nick being there for Charlie even when it would have hurt to be around him to now them being so happy in each other's company is a lot 🥹

Nils

Urgh. Halloween in the hospital. Wonder how long Charlie had been there. AND may we hope for this scene in Season 3?

Robert
>>148138550

.... but there is an alternative way to look at it. Clearly Charlie is feeling down (who wouldn't in his state especially as he originally didn't think he could be helped) but he knows he has Nick's support during his hospitalisation and so there is a chink in his darkness which he didn't have when he was sad badly bullied before he met Nick (trying to look on the positive if I can find it).

Robert
>>148131931

Been there Gregory not long ago. Never thought I would ever need or even seek help but things got so bad I had to. Fortunately for me it helped immensely and now I would thoroughly recommend it.

Mike

Absolutely says all it needs to - have loved these last few pages - very powerful speech and lovely segue into Halloween 🎃 thank you 🙏

RCM

God, Alice. This page...it heartbreakingly and also preciously portrays the emotional journey that BOTH Nick and Charlie took during Charlie's hospitalization. First, I look at Charlie, falling into his comfort place of Nick's hug...I see his face, exhausted and broken, as sometimes it has to be, in order to truly begin to heal from within. It's like we can see the weight of what he is carrying...and it feels devastating (even though we know he made the right decision and is in the right place for him, we see that the work on healing is so, so hard. Doable, but, hard). Then, I look at Nick. I think of his love for Charlie, even just 6 months into their relationship. I think of his teenager self, walking into a sterile building where he has to sign his name to even get to visit Charlie. I think of him, seeing Charlie's face the way we do here. I see him knowing that Charlie is no fragile flower that needs coddling or fake uplifting, but that he is seriously going through some shit, and needs support and love and, most of all, time with the someone who sees the best in him. And even as Nick wholeheartedly is that person for Charlie, and even a year later, he doesn't fully know it yet, but he is carrying a weight too. Charlie is getting the help he needs....one day Nick may need to as well❤️‍🩹 THIS is why Heartstopper needs to be shared and read and never banned anywhere. It shows us all hope, even through strife. Again, god, Alice. It's exactly what was needed. Thank you- xx

Blissnfaith

I think we can feel the depth of the pain and heartache of Nick’s memory in this one page just from Charlie’s eyes. They convey a thousand words.

chloé
>>148131931

tori does care a lot for charlie, but at the same time is having a lot of her own issues, as well as knowing how difficult it may be for him to open up to their parents. it’s not really the case that she doesn’t do anything.

Sarah Jacobs

As heartbreaking as this page is, and it totally is 💔 it is such an amazing reminder that you are never at your worst for long. There is always light, there is always a point where you can look back and say wow I made it. Truly amazing Alice, to capture that feeling of growth and happiness that we all feel for Charlie, while also reminding us to never give up ❤️🍂

chloé
>>148131931

and i don’t think nick has mental health problems in the more traditional way people assume, but he has experienced a certain level of familial almost trauma maybe that isn’t the right word but his dad and brother being the way they are will definitely have affected him significantly.

Katie🐝

I want to give them both a hug

Brittney

Aww poor Charlie, they've been on a journey together but Charlie is definitely a better space

Megan Chen

Nick potentially having a mental health arc in this volume would be SO interesting, and Alice, I know you hinted to this in a recent interview. Seeing him in therapy, or having more extended conversations, about caregiver mental health and the stress of seeing someone you love in pain would be so touching.

Karen DuVall

Omg poor Charlie’s face. 😢

Karen DuVall

Nick is so sweet and thoughtful. ❤️

Ky

poor honey :( hardest place to be

Nyssa Rawther 🍉

Awww sweetheart...I'm so glad Charlie got through those very dark days. It must have been so tough on Nick, too, seeing someone he loves so much like that. I hope he does get some therapy to work through that. P.S. Hocus Pocus is a VERY Nick Nelson Halloween film 🤣🤣

Gregory Toner
>>148129952

I would think Sarah being the kind and loving lady she is would want to visit Charlie also

lia

Alice, I just wanted to say that I love the way you treat your characters mental health in such a careful, hopeful and realistic way. Earlier today I saw a tiktok that was basically about Charlie’s mental health in season 1 of the show and I just started tearing up because I realized that, back in 2022, when the show came out, I actually needed it so much. I was struggling a lot with my mental health at the time and your books made me feel seen, and it helped me reaching out for help. Seeing this page today, I just realized I’ve been more than 2 years clean. I feel so much love and I’m really grateful your art exists because it has been bringing me so much joy since I first found out about it. Thank you x x

Hannah

Hit me in the feels 😭

noelle!!

having just left residential treatment this really hit me oof. can completely relate to the desolate expression on charlie’s face.

Tiffany L

The thing that you do so brilliantly is how you balance really endearing/comical imagery (like Nick nuzzling his horse and admiring Charlie) with poignant and emotionally stunning imagery like on this page. But it doesn’t give the reader whiplash - instead, it’s very balanced and evocative. It really is so impressive.

Loveislove

Ngl - little nervous about next page. Seeing more of Charlie's state of mind the previous year felt almost anti heartstopper if you know what I mean - no light at the end of the tunnel. Charlie fell into Nick's hug but couldn't seem to really engage with him beyond that. The ...Char...and waiting for some response was heartbreaking. It would be hard to see Nick's face here. A big talk about this with Elle while a bit sloshy at a party may not be the best place but I think some talking some time there must be.

Lodge

the expression on Charlie's face says it all

boombroadcast
>>148140923

We know from vol 4 that Charlie was admitted in October and left in early December, and I believe he was there for seven weeks total? So I think this would have been relatively early in his stay.

boombroadcast

Ohhh the last panel on the previous page made me think we were definitely about to get a flashback to last Halloween, and then I was thinking about the cute mini-comic you did way back… this version of that day is much more somber, but makes a lot of sense. From what we know via vol 4 about the timing of Charlie’s inpatient stay, I imagine this would be just a couple weeks in, maybe? Always tough to see Charlie struggling and so deeply exhausted and listless. But I also appreciate getting a little more insight into that incredibly difficult and transformative period of his life. 💕 (Reeeally looking forward to seeing it onscreen so soon!) It must feel a little surreal to Nick, Elle, and Charlie’s loved ones that so much has changed for the better in such a relatively short period of time. (Charlie too!) Though of course as said in vol 4, that was really just the beginning of a long (and not always linear) healing journey. 💕

April

Oww, that one hits a little close to home, poor Charlie 💜

4ledl4st

💔 charlie’s little face 😓

Ele79

Thanks Alice❤️

James

I know very little about psychology, but reading heartstopper a few times over, a theory keeps popping up in my head: Humans (and a lot of animals) who feel they're in danger go into a so-called 'fight or flight mode'. Where pain is suppressed because the priority is escaping danger. Then when we find somewhere safe, pain returns in abundance as a signal that we need to concentrate on healing ourselves. Charlie started to spiral shortly after he truly knew Nick loved him. Is that because he finally felt a sense of true safety in Nick and that in turn caused him to begin to be able to feel all the trauma he'd been suppressing? And now I'm worried about Nick. He's spent most of their relationship caring for and worrying about Charlie because he loves him so dearly. That alone has been a big stressful weight on Nick's shoulders, on top of all the scary shit of coming out and trying to figure out who the real Nick is. He's also expressed a kind of guilt about being able to not feel okay if Charlie's going through so much worse than him. Now Nick has a much more confident Charlie, who he doesn't have to worry about quite as much, and who's he's come to realise is his own beacon of safety. Does this mean we are about to see all the stuff Nick's had to deal with catch up on him? In the way it all suddenly caught up on Charlie last year? Sorry, not sure if this made much sense. But what I do know is that they'll work through this together, and come out the other end both so much stronger.

Loveislove
>>148177611

Absolutely this!! Well said to all!! Nick will be needing Charlie, Sarah and eagle eyed friends like Elle and Tara and maybe Sai to help him even out people pleasing tendencies and recent challenges that have perhaps resulted in lost perspective on his own worth.

Loveislove
>>148140025

Ack - I found that page very upsetting with Nick's movements and expressions as it seemed out of step with current circumstances. But I think you have hit the nail on the head - you can almost see Nick carrying around unprocessed trauma on his back 😢

Jo S

Nick already has undealt with trauma due to his dad and feelings of abandonment. His brother being so negative towards him, especially regarding his sexuality. He has always been such a support to Charlie whilst dealing with his own feelings. It is so hard to be there for someone when you love them and you feel helpless. I’m sure Nick would benefit from having someone to talk to whilst continuing to be in his loving relationship with Charlie. ❤️❤️

Kayleigh Clarke

Oh Charlie and his dead eyes 😢 it amazes me how Alice captures so much range of emotion in their faces

Cliff

It's a very important page because it adds so much to the understanding of Charlie's trauma, one which is shared by so many LGBTQIA+ people. Although for most it doesn't lead to hospitalization, there's a lot of shared pain in the community, which is why sharing joy in pride is so important. It's only a month before seeing how this low point will be dramatised in Season Three, and I foresee a lot of tears off and on the screen.

Jewel

I’m gonna cry.Charlie…😭😭

ucfnurse

Pure anguish….😔🫶🏻🫂💞🌺🌈🧑‍⚕️❤️‍🩹🫖🍵✌️🕊️☮️

S S

:(

Koko

Nick is gonna need a bit of support now. It's hard taking care of a loved one that is so deeply scarred like Charlie. It leaves marks on Nick's mental health as well. I hope he knows that it's ok not to be the perfect boyfriend all of the time.

Neenie

Ouch my heart has stopped