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Meghan Albrecht

I love how charlie is starting to pick up on the little things

Emily Hopkins

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Siero

nick really is trying his best - he just needs to know when to take care of himself

tess ^_^

ALED CRUMBS ALED CRUMBS ALED CRUMBS

K

A bit harsh my guys 🥺

Larisa

Trying to be a perfect anything all the time is always a recipe for disaster 💔

tess ^_^

they’re so so real though the fact they all notice :,]

Shirtael Cohen

Now they just only need to talk I can’t wait for moreee

Adriane Tanjutco

he really doesn’t have any idea who he is without Charlie :(

Steven

Me thinks Nick feels guilty knowing he’s decided to go far away.

Barb

Charlie noticing something's off😟...'perfect' is not always perfect, I get what he means🥺

Starr

Poor nick, so much to live up to but not really

Merel

I'm glad Charlie is starting to see that this behaviour isn't healthy for Nick, or for their relationship. Tao and Aled don't fully seem to get it yet. It makes sense though, they've always been Charlie's friends first and might struggle to see Nick as his own person in addition to being Charlie's boyfriend.

Sandra Day

Awww I really feel bad when people think Nick is needy 🥹 even when he is needy!

aniatka

Oh well, here we are again, begging Charlie to look deeply and carefully at his soulmate. Pls Charlie, hurry up! ❤️

Chloe ♡

not the answer charlie was looking for

el

oooo i’m loving this because one of my thoughts i’ve had for a while now is that a lot of people see nick as charlie’s saviour and make charlie out to be the damsel in distress, even unintentionally, when that is so far from the truth

Nicky Van den Bosch

Aled is so real "knight in shinning armor and all that" 🙈

Märta Birkner

Perceptive Charlie 🥰 I really hope Nick opens up to him soon, Charlie is really trying to have that conversation but we all know 'your 16 year old bf can't be that person' Can't wait for Nick to start therapy soon, he deserves it ♥️

Merel

Charlie gets what it's like to try to be perfect all the time... I hope he'll be able to support Nick through this ❤️

Sonny

Oh 🥺❤️‍🩹

Loveislove

I am glad that Charlie is not angry - he is too perceptive for that. And although Tao and Aled imply Nick is the perfect boyfriend, they are using the words clingy, obsessive, annoyingly. They will hopefully pick up on Charlie's concerned face. His point is that Nick is playing a part, a facade. He is worried about what is driving that. I think he is seeing a performance by someone who doesn't want to talk or can't talk. He may be beginning to see that Nick's focus seems to be on Charlie himself and this could be an opening for a gentle discussion to help Nick begin to open up and sort out his feelings. I love that Charlie is there for Nick ❤️‍🩹.

Katie H

I'm glad that Charlie is starting to notice that Nick is acting differently and that it's not healthy behavior. But I guess Nick can't stop worrying about Charlie and always wants to make sure that he's okay

Rosie

Oh Nick… it’s so much easier for you to focus on Charlie and his needs, than to try and figure out who you are and what you need ❤️‍🩹

Frances

Nick literally is the epitome of a green flag! However, he’s still putting everyone else’s feelings above his own 🥺

Charlie

Love can’t cure mental illness. It’s time for Charlie to learn how to help Nick now. 🫂🫂

arlo🧞

yes charlie! perceptiveness!!! i love that he’s starting to notice the, for lack of a better word, “facade”, nick is putting on. i think charlie is going to try and have a conversation with him soon 💚💚

Loveislove

In season 3 we have seen a misguided Tao driven by fear of losing Elle try to be the perfect boyfriend. I feel Nick is in this mindset as well. We all know Charlie does not need a knight in shining armour. Nick and Charlie are meant to be equal partners. They may lean on each other in different ways...but equally.

Noemiette

Sadly he is stuck in the vicious circle of thinking he has to be the perfect boyfriend, that it's his main role, so that's what he does and projects to others, then the others think he's the perfect boyfriend and so Nick feels the pressure to be perfect and on and on it goes :/ Tara told Nick he should start to find out who he is without Charlie, but he's doing the absolute opposite because of his anxieties. We're in the "it gets worse before it gets better phase"

Elfi

"I know you like everything to be fine and happy and perfect all the time, but you don't have to be perfect with me." 🥺 Now Nick needs to realise this applies to him as well. ❤️

Harri Watson

I love rather than being annoyed at Nick being attentive. He’s worried because he just wants Nick to be himself. Faults and all. He wants him to just be.

Robert

Charlie really is not reading Nick very well.

Fran

He’s the dream boyfriend, actually

Carly Louise

Aww I don't envy Charlie having to navigate this tricky conversation with Nick 😞

Loveislove
>>156931717

Yes - I think Charlie will really start digging in and approaching Nick 🤞🏻

Merel

Charlie's perfectionism stems from his issues with control. Nick tries to hide his struggles behind a mask of being the perfect boyfriend, hoping that he (and others) will ignore his own problems as long as he can keep Charlie happy. Nick and Charlie both need to realise that they don't have to be perfect, and that it can actually be harmful to try to achieve that impossible feat. It's okay to be yourself, flaws and all, especially in such a loving and accepting relationship as theirs ❤️

Philipp Rathgeber

Alice: "hey fandom here's a new page. Nick has problems and all his friends notice." Also Alice (secretly): "here you go, obsessive fandom. Confirmation that you were wrong. My character, my rules." Lysm. ❤️

Jenny Delcher

Nick is definitely being very dependent on Charlie’s wellbeing and success as a head boy, Charlie has done SO MUCH in a short period of time. Nick has been there to help him through it all, but the only thing that Nick has done for Nick is choosing his Uni’s top choice. He might not only be feeling dependent but perhaps also under achieved… Can’t wait to see the pivoting moment in the book. ❤️

Ellen🌈✨

a tricky situation! it’s not like Nick has done anything particularly wrong, so to Tao and Aled, Nick is being the dutiful boyfriend. but it’s a pattern of behaviour and looks like Charlie is recognising that

Jo Mary

Aww poor nick x he doesn’t have to be perfect around Charlie all the time x Charlie loves him flaws and all 🩷

ashley ✨

charlie pls talk to nick :((

DogBefriender22

So glad Charlie can see what’s going on - and is able to be open with his friends about it. It was Nick that told Charlie ‘you don’t have to be perfect with me’… time for Charlie to make Nick see that it’s the same the other way around

Loveislove

Waiting for someone to ask - why is he trying to be the perfect boyfriend all the time? Charlie is absolutely right. I think there is a complicated answer that involves Nick's childhood, abandonment by his father, relationship with his brother, insecurities about making friends, moving to Leeds, leaving his mother unprotected, fear of losing Charlie - as a partner but also to mental illness. Crap - he won't even have Nellie with him. If he can ignore all those pending issues and focus on taking care of Charlie - all better - right? Hopefully Charlie is close to asking Nick the question, with love - why are you trying to be the perfect boyfriend?

Julie NP

Arrh poor Nick. I hope he finds himself soon. For his own sake , not just Charlie’s. I hope Charlie helps to support him in the way Nick has always been his rock ❤️

Christine Sylvain

Charlie needs to get Nick to open up, but it’s easier said than done. 😢😢. Also,,,, Aled! 😂

Claire

Tao and Aled -- you could have been more constructive there! We love Nick -- partly because he is the 'perfect boyfriend' -- that is the truth. But he needs to realise that he is enough and that he does not need to be perfect. His behaviour and emotions in this volume have been so sad and worrying because you can tell he feels like he does not deserve Charlie 😔 -- that he is not enough for him -- so what they have won't last. He was able to help Charlie by saying 'you do not have to be perfect all the time, not with me'. Yet he expects himself to be perfect -- thinks he HAS to be. I think the emotional flood gates will really open, and he will need to reconstruct himself, once Charlie helps him realise he does not need to be perfect. I think it might be a difficult process though - to accept it - at first he may interpret what Charlie will need to say as rejection -- as him being too much, too 'extra'. Thank goodness we do already know that together N&C have the strength to support each other get through it - so they can be better together and as individuals.

DogBefriender22
>>156933008

Perfect summary of the turmoil of difficult thoughts and feelings Nick is facing right now, but trying to avoid 😕

Ren

ALED I MISSED YOU

Faye

They need to talk soon before University for example in a case where Nick and Charlie wasn’t written who knows how Nick would be when it’s actually time to start going to university and getting stuff for his flat

Justin S.

Yeah…time for Charlie to turn the tables on Nick and get some chatting happening 💙

Sulagna Maitra

This is the definition of a soulmate & the Best Friend Nick always wanted isn't it? The whole world sees Nick but Charlie sees through Nick🥺🥲 Everyone gushes over how perfect he is. Charlie quietly finds a place beside Nick, squeezes his hand, looks directly into Nick's eyes & without even saying a word reassures him, you are safe with me, you can tell me....and Nick's walls melt away under Charlie's kind & loving gaze. 🥲 I am so happy Charlie & Nick found each other.

Carina

Come on Tao and Aled - Nick’s struggling 😔 he needs you guys to support him!

DogBefriender22

I worry that the knight in shining armour comment might trigger Charlie… (‘do all my friends think I have been ‘saved’ by Nick, or that I needed saving?’) - that would make me angry… I just hope Charlie is able to brush off any of his own discomfort and be a comfort and support to Nick instead… and soon!

toneelspeler

kind of hard when you've probably tried being the perfect son before and it didn't stop your dad from leaving, and now you're being the one who will leave your partner behind so you're trying to be perfect once again to not make them feel the same. as much as i want charlie to talk to him, i think nick could benefit from an honest talk with sarah too.

Cody

We're getting closer to talking ❤️ albeit not being said the best, but it gets the point across to Charlie

Bela Francoeur-Schug

I’m excited to see the real, vulnerable human behind that shining armor. Let’s go.

Ashley Robinson

Be gentle with him Charlie. He is more fragile than you. But he will get there.

Holly D Allen
>>156934480

I did even think of that connection. Everything Nick is feeling must be so overwhelming

Lady Stardust

Tao and Aled 😭 "Clingy?" "Obsessive?" "Protective?" "Annoyingly infatuated?"

Kassie K Wilson

And now you’re going to investigate why he feels the need to do that and what anxieties he’s having and not blow up at him, right darling? 🥴💜🥺

Noemiette
>>156934480

In my mind (maybe we will find out later) he started to think he had to be the perfect son after the dad left (he was too young before). Sarah became basically a single mom with two kids, with one that started to act out after the divorce. So tiny Nick became very careful to not become extra work for his mom and always be the perfect kid

Ana Alicia Aranda De Contreras

No, guys, they don't help much. Let's wait and Charlie dig deeper and see what Nick needs help right now 😭💔😔❤️🥺

toneelspeler
>>156934480

i agree with you! but i also see it kind of happening in his relationship with his dad too when he's older too - he's speaking french with stéphane almost exclusively (making it easier for stéphane when english is his mothertongue) and it looks like nick's the one having to proactively pursue communication with him all the time and stéphane barely responds and nick doesn't understand why (but kept on trying for so long) i also find the comment of stéphane saying he's disappointed that david didn't grow up the man he wanted him to be very... indicative of what kind of father stéphane is and what his ideas of fatherhood are.

Shannon Funt
>>156933816

I just finished radio silence and wow, Aled I love you so much every time I see you!! 😍😍😍

Ren
>>156933816

it’s great right? one of my favorite books i’ve ever read 🥹

David C Witkin

And now, beneath the sweet, hard candy shell on Nick's outside, Charlie is about to break through and taste the soft, chewy filling at the tender center of his boyfriend.

Jomaries Amezaga

The pressure to be perfect and always be there 😢

Shannon Funt
>>156932649

Right. To others it looks like perfect boyfriend but we know it’s worried, anxious, afraid boyfriend. In this case it seemed pretty clear Nick’s intention wasn’t just to be a kind person. It’s to try and control something that feels untenable (Charlie’s ED). I wish Charlie’s friends had the insight to see that. But they missed all of the lead-up warnings about Charlie’s ED, and weren’t involved in witnessing the relapse (or even know it happened…) so how could they 😌

EC

Charlie’s worry is valid. He gets to see the real Nick. We’ve learned from his past and now the mini comic that he really puts up a front for his friends and only Sarah and Charlie (and Nellie) get to see the real Nick. Elle and Tara FINALLY got a bit of the real Nick on the road trip. I don’t think Tao or Aled probably know yet much of what’s going on underneath…

Shannon Funt
>>156931487

Right?? Maybe Aled is projecting a bit… wishes he and Daniel could be out, so that he could let Daniel be HIS knight in shining armor 😌♥️ Aled wants a rescue big time 💕

Nikki

Charlie starting to see that “Charlie’s boyfriend” is the main role Nick plays. Hopefully Charlie will help Nick find Nick 🤞

Ariel

❤️😥

cecil elliot

ohhhh nick, your abandonment issues are showing :,(

Katrina

I really hope Charlie does not get angry at that knight in shining armor comment because that’s basically saying Nick saved him which we know Charlie did not need saving. I do love how Charlie has picked up on the perfect boyfriend facade because now it is finally cracking. I hope him and Nick have a good talk and I hope Charlie does not blow up at him. I want Nick to talk to his mom too. I hope Nick takes his own advice to heart and realizes he does not need to be perfect all the time. I also really loved your commentary under the page Alice 🤣❤️

Holly Roberts

No matter what perfect of not perfect… No one perfect… It is ok a little mistake.. it will fix a little change… Charlie love him so much with all his heart… ♥️

Brittney

Jesus Tao and Aled. I think, Charlie is seeing how even after that conversation both him and Nick shared in his bedroom that night that everything is kind of fitting in the pieces like, throughout Nick's life and especially with what we got in the past days like it explains a lot, like there's so many things that has and had happened in Nick's life a lot. And for Charlie to pick up the little signs especially like these ones. You know another heart to heart moment will be coming our way very shortly, since both of them really talk to each other a lot more than they do with other's which is fine, but as you said it yourself Alice it would be kind of good to see Nick going through therapy like he has got a lot in that mind of his

E

😟 👀👀

Tanya

I am fascinated by the comments on these pages because I have no idea what is happening with Nick and I think that is because I have many unresolved issues quite similar to his. I have been totally off base with some of my previous comments based on what Alice has liked and the themes of the comments that resonate most with people. This Patreon has become my favorite social media platform because I feel it's doing a lot to develop my perceptions around relationships. 🤔

RCM

AH, this is getting more complicated...all Nick's layers are starting to unravel, and Charlie, sensing something is off, is trying to find where to start peeling away (because it doesn't look like Nick is going to open up anytime soon). It is hard because Nick IS the perfect boyfriend to some degree. He is exactly who Charlie dreamt of years ago...and he absolutely loves Charlie more than anything, and they have a great relationship full of emotional and physical intimacy that grounds and elevates both of them (usually). None of that is a bad thing, and outwardly, like Tao and Aled confirmed, everyone thinks so (although it 100% nauseates me for anyone to ever think that Nick stayed with Charlie through his hospitalization because he thought Charlie needed "rescuing" or something). I keep going back and staring at the 3rd panel with the close up of a very concerned and reflective Charlie, where we see him staring down, likely remembering all those little "that sounds a little off for Nick to be so HA HA about that" moments, wondering what he is missing (and I love the background with the little flecks of linear marks on the wall, a design mode that look like rain is unexpectedly starting...it heightens Charlie's feeling that something isn't right, there is something more going on...) If Charlie could hear himself, he might be able to see that the answer he is looking for is partially hidden in his words "It's like...he's TRYING to be the PERFECT boyfriend ALL THE TIME." Being a "perfect" boyfriend is not the real issue, the real issue is that Nick is ONLY focusing ON Charlie as a way to deflect, repress, and mask the insecurity he is having about himself and his future (an insecurity and anxiety that began in childhood)...Charlie knows this gig...he tried to do it a bit for Nick, wanting everything to be PERFECT for Nick when they first got together...and he also knows that is not who THEY are as a couple...so now, how to tell your seemingly perfect boyfriend who is avoiding talking about IT that you see his hurt?! It's easier said than done, even for Nick and Charlie...

Beam Bugge

you're right, but you shouldn't say it probably :( nick remember what you said to charlie, about not having to be perfect all the time? maybe it's time to take your own advice!

HLMac88

Hmm where is this going…I’m glad Charlie is noticing. Maybe they can talk before it becomes a disaster.

2catlovers

“Perfect” is a word that turns up a lot in HS, both books and series. It is always a flag for deeper issues - nothing is perfect and if that’s what you’re aiming for you will fail. Every time I see or hear that word all of my alarms start screaming because it means someone is holding themselves to unrealistic standards and it will all fall apart soon. Think of the repetition of “perfect” esp. in s2….

Loveislove
>>156948628

I think you are right that Charlie has been there, done that, to some extent. This will hopefully allow him to approach Nick the best Charlie way to help Nick open up. I honestly don't know if Nick understands his own feelings. But just as Charlie was so lucky to have Nick steadfast and invested in Charlie's best self, Nick has a gentle and empathetic partner who is not going anywhere. I am so glad Alice has indicated that the Nick and Charlie novella/fight may no longer be canon. It may not be who they are anymore, especially after this journey ❤️‍🩹

artxsta

i think the usage of the word “perfect” in heartstopper (comic & show) is extremely fascinating. charlie wanted nick’s coming out journey to be “perfect,” and as a result, he didn’t want to worry him w his own mental health issues, to which show!nick responded that char doesn’t have to be “happy and perfect all the time,” esp w him. also, in the context of charlie having OCD, the term “perfect” has an extremely complex meaning, and the need for things to be laid out perfectly in his own head causes him much anguish. and now that charlie is piecing together what’s going on, both of them can start unraveling the sources of nick’s anxieties. i’m interested in seeing how their relationship w the term evolves. all that being said, perfection is overrated. they’re just nick and charlie.

Beam Bugge
>>156937674

the fact that Alice has liked this comment but not responded makes me concerned

Scott Whittall
>>156934480

Oh man. Nail on the head here. Possibly a joint session with Geoff and Charlie to ease him in to some healthy therapy.

artxsta

also another thing i just thought of, due to the webtoon update today, is tao & elle’s view of N&C’s relationship. on halloween, elle pointed out that nick still looks at charlie like he hung the moon and stars in the sky, a year and a half in, and also said that they were “nick & charlie, going to stay together forever.” now tao is saying everyone, including him, thinks nick “IS the perfect boyfriend.” it’s nice that their friends have them on a pedestal for “relationship goals” and what-not, which is also a theme in the N&C novella, but it also shows the pressure (to others & themselves) of being in this “perfect relationship,” with first charlie, and now nick, repressing their personal struggles to keep up that image of perfect.

Joni

I think Nick might be the perfect boyfriend for Charlie, but that is entirely different than actually being perfect (which isn’t possible for anyone). I know people like Nick and they are lovely, wonderful people. But their biggest weakness is not realizing that when their own needs aren’t being met, when they don’t let the people who love them give a listening ear along with support and care, they will not be able to help the important people in their lives the way they want to because they are falling apart inside and are often exhausted and stretched too thin (that was a loaded thought, I hope it makes sense…)

Scott Whittall

Our dear dear Char, may we remind you who's favorite word is "Perfect"? Sweet Charlie, the love of your life is only trying to be the person he thinks you want him to be. In the same manner younger Nick most likely tried to be the perfect son to his father. And there probably was time when Nick looked up to David and attempted to be a stellar little brother. Whether it is a facade or other wise, poor Nick has had a world of disappointment merely by trying to please others. This is how much he adores you Charlie. Nick wants (or needs) to be the ideal partner for you. Even though, this approach has only brought him heartache. This is not a time to be upset or frustrated. It is a time to talk. Really talk. 12yo Nick wished for a best friend he could talk to about "all kinds of things" and tell his BF about things when he was younger. Looks like that time is approaching quickly. Time to be the best friend a sweet 12 yo lad wished for. That boy scribbling a heartfelt plea, is the real Nick Nelson.

Neenie
>>156948628

Yes, those rain type markings were such a contrast to the leaves

camelotcrusade

Hmm can you train a chatbot to be a therapist using Heartstopper comments? Probably. 😅

Neenie

Just yesterday I read the 2013 Young Avengers run where Billy says “I’ll make it up to you. I’ll be the best boyfriend in every reality.” That whole page was very Heartstopper-coded. Hopefully Nick won’t let an interdimensional parasite in.

camelotcrusade

My take on "perfect" is that HS is a fantasy that's close to reality, but with a persistent hope for a better world. When characters seem a little idealized, maybe it's so we can all find something about them to like and try for ourselves.

Neenie

This also reminds me of the Chainsmokers song: If we go down, then we go down together They'll say you could do anything They'll say that I was clever If we go down, then we go down together We'll get away with everything Let's show them we are better

Diana N

I haven’t looked at the page yet but I am DISGUSTED that Alice has to constantly ask us not to share these pages! These are a privilege and if you can’t handle that then leave!! Ok gonna go read now.

Tim Patton

The look on Tao and Alex’s faces are so perfect to character and I almost swoon for the intricacy of Charlie’s hair. 🥰 How someone is such an incredible storyteller as well as artist in bringing that story to life never ceases to amaze me.

MJ

Charlie loves Nick.. not a perfected facade. Just Nick, exactly as he is. I'm eager for the day Nick can breath a huge exhale and really relax finally. Just be himself - even if he's a mess at the moment - he's still worthy and Charlie loves him just as he is.

ucfnurse

Annoyingly infatuated lololol!!!☺️😊🥰😍🌹🫂🌈🎊✌️🕊️☮️

Evergreen

Oof if I were Charlie I could see myself feeling a little angry at the “knight in shining armor” comment. I would be surprised and sad to know that my friends saw me as someone who needed saving. Will Charlie be better at not personalizing that comment than I would have been? We’ll find out soon enough!

Cliff

Charlie is more concerned than bothered/angry/any other negative emotion. Which is a wonderful thing!

brie

Alice I literally love your commentary under the pages like you’re not the one writing them 😭 makes me laugh

moon

tao and aled are trying and it’s the thought that counts, right? 🥲

Gracie Bou

Nick is trying so hard. But it’s putting too much pressure on him

Glenn

Sometimes one don't see it but Tao and Aled observations of Nick might be the wake-up call Charlie needs to start really taking action.

PoppieBee
>>156971426

I hadn't even thought about it that way. And now they'll make me laugh too haha!

flynn tasker

i cannot wait for the big talk

RyGy

The walls are beginning to crack.

RyGy
>>156962675

I’ts on every post. We are getting early access. It’s just a reminder.

RyGy
>>156954723

I have a feeling in the next few panels they will

RyGy
>>156948628

I love that it’s starting to unravel actually. It’s shows that Nick is human.

mal

Poor nick :(

Allegra2346

My favourite part about Alice’s Patreon posts are the descriptions, as if what happens in the comics is completely out of their hands 😂 like damn Tao and Aled are being so unhelpful smh 😔

Kristen

No one is perfect, but Nick has put that on his young shoulders! He needs Momma Nelson to remind him of their beach conversations, and also have her tell him that it goes for him too! Hope Charlie gets him to open up soon!

Murgy

I wonder how much of Tao and Aled seeing Nick as the perfect boyfriend is a reflection of how some of the Fandom see him. It's good Charlie isn't swept up in that and can tell its a cover for something, but it might still be a while until its removed.

K Lyn

It’s like they are saying perfectly what people always tell Kit in interviews about Nick. That Nick is the outline for the perfect bf.

Brenda L
>>156968895

I was thinking the same thing, I would be over analyzing and hurting my own feelings …but Charlie is no damsel

Diana N
>>156962675

But on this post she put it’s not helpful with a crying face so obviously someone is leaking them.