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Generation Zapped (Patreon)

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2025-03-24 17:15:11
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2026-06

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This week, Cara Santa Maria joins us to learn about all the different cancers our cellphones are apparently giving us.

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Peter Kyrouac

Congratulations to Cara Santa Maria on her 40th GAM episode! Keep it up boys, just 1 episode away from 500. Don't quit on me now!

This is not the greatest song in the world; this is just a patron name.

Oh, good, it's my favorite bit of pseudoscience. My favorite, because I know the _exact_ reason it's bullshit, and it can be summarized in one (admittedly long) sentence: The weakest covalent bond requires a photon at 3.75 eV (~900 THz, ~330 nm, in the UV) - to be broken by RF; less than that, and all you get is heating - and cell radiation is about 1/10,000th of that, and significantly less energy than the heat put out by the phone. Basically, the cell phone is firing spitballs and these goofballs are calling it a sniper rifle. Incidentally, that number is the fuzzy line between ionizing and non-ionizing radiation. Fuzzy because quantum tunnelling effects can occur within the first order of magnitude or so. (Technically, they can occur at all orders of magnitude, but you're gonna get five nines of 'em within the first order).

Billyspring

I work in local government and there was one resident who kept making complaints, but you also couldn't phone or email her because of her electromagnetic sensitivity. She said she got it when they put up a 5G tower near her. We had to do everything via post 🥲

This is not the greatest song in the world; this is just a patron name.

5G complaints in particular are so ridiculous. The infrastructure hardware tops out at 20W by design, so you can have many more, smaller cells. So there's less total power flowing through the air, and more people can be online at a time without clogging the network. Did you get hurt by 100W incandescent lightbulbs? No? Then how's radiation at a fifth the power and a thousandth the energy gonna hurt you? And why weren't you as scared of LTE (usually ~50W) or 2G (~100W)? Or, I guess you were. Whatever. Mind, these numbers are kinda meaningless for regular folks; the effective radiated power at 10m (the closest you'll ever come to any of these) is on the order of an LED blinking at you - except, again, three orders of magnitude lower energy per photon. I guess folks just don't understand how much radio tech has improved since the days of AM/FM, when standing next to a base station would cook you in place. Still wouldn't give you the cancer, though.

Aaron Irvin

Seriously though, I can tell if a battery is full or not by licking it.

Billyspring

You should come work for the council ;)

Oso Hermoso

Wow a “documentary” that failed the bechdel test

Roz Rae Powers

Oh my goodness, the dude with JSC after his name like it was a degree of some kind... that stands for JOB SKILL CERTIFICATE. Not exactly a "credential" but I suppose it's all they have!

Darby Mori

I'm loving this episode. I have a crunchy mom neighbor who posted a request in our FP group to protest 5G towers (with a poorly Photoshoped pic of a 5G tower in front of a house); I replied that I was in favor of better 5G coverage. She also tries to warn us about smart meters. Sweet lady, but definitely living in the rabbit hole: homeschooling, no sugars, no caffeine, distrusts doctors but goes to chiropractor, gives out baby pumpkins for Halloween, etc.

Karen Damianick

I always carry my phone in my bra. Seriously. I don’t have a ton of pockets and it’s a good convenient place. I even had to get a smaller phone because the giant ones don’t fit in my bra. :) (and I don’t have breast cancer). (Yet)

Taylor Putnam

Yeah I was about to say, Cara is way off there. Bras as phone storage is absolutely a thing hehe

tsukiouji

Huh, I figured 500 would be a Vultures movie

anarchist Mando

I would make the argument that, yes there was some evidence to the claim that a lot of people didn't think cigarettes were dangerous Thanks for them being introduced into the soldiers ration during world war I, the addiction rate of cigarettes skyrocket ed Even people said they could be used for medicinal shit.. and in later on in history the cigarette companies made a think tank to distribute propaganda

Ana Aguilera

I thought it was going to be a review of the bad 1982 movie “Zapped!”.

Sherri Antal

When I saw the title Zapped, I thought we were getting the 1980's movie with Willie Aames!

Julie Wine&Reason

Eli, the person who sends that email has done nothing but lick batteries. They stay licking batteries. 😜

Julie Wine&Reason

Where I live, women routinely use their bras like a wallet. That's where the cash is! I love my City! Love from Memphis, y'all! 💜🌈

Laura Lusby

Electrosensitive? No. Hyperacusis? Yes. I can’t “tell when the WiFi is on” but I can hear the TV and the computer and the fridge and the lights and…

Daniel Mancini

I think all I want from my life now is Cara saying “Afghanistan” in her wooey hippie voice as my text alert sound.

Sparrow

Reminds me of when I worked in the library at a university and we had a regular crazy person who believed she had a "cyber stalker" who could tell where she was any time she touched any electronic device. She also claimed the government was spying on her via doppler radar, people were trying to assassinate her for being the secret daughter of Ronald Reagan, and that all universities are evil because they're all based on harry potter.

Sparrow

I'm going to annoy Noah even more: my mother has friends named Carol and Carl, their son named Jason is married to Jessica, and Jessica's parents are Kerri and Kenny.

Michael Duchek

I've suggested they introduce Cara to Vultures of Horror, but apparently they haven't been able to find any.

Michael Duchek

When they were having public hearings on installing 5G here in San Diego, one of the "experts" stated that because the wavelengths are so short, they tear through the body like a ripsaw.

Markus Nävergård

OOOOH Wizards of the coast causes autism in kids so they can sell more magic the gathering card and DnD games

Elizabeth McIntyre

MRCS is Member of the Royal College of Surgeons, a post-degree certification in the UK. So he’s a “real” doctor. JC I have no idea.

TwistyPretzel

Cara Santa Maria you are my new hero for asking about Heathleton's balls. You have entered a new guest masochist era!!!

J. Vizzle

Cara Santa Maria is the funniest Dead People Dentist I've ever encountered.

J. Vizzle

That sounds like a recipe for a very confusing PTSD trigger to me.

Sami Marie

unfortunately, women do, in fact, put their phone in their boobs if the boobs are big enough to hold onto the phone, lol. it was especially popular in percussion in band because we didn't want to part with our sweet, sweet entertainment devices during breaks. also if you don't have/don't want to carry around a purse you can stuff a small phone and a cc in there. never take boob cash though, no bueno.

Sami Marie

Southern Indiana here, boob wallets are a thing!

TwistyPretzel

Actually, now smart meters are fairly ubiquitous depending on where you live. In Texas everyone does and in a lot of utilities the switch to smart meters is required now because they don't need meter readers with those.

Spamuel

I work for a Part 121 air carrier, I can tell you that 5G networks are either on or close enough to the frequency of the precision altimeter used for autoland/instrument landings. There's an Airworthiness Directive (2023-12-05) that required us to get new interference resistant altimeters or stop flights in the contiguous US.

Sheena Gibbs

So I heard a few years ago that Angela Merkel put her phone in her bra cause women's clothing famously lacks in pockets and I thought this was a revelation and so I've done it ever since. Is it weird? Maybe. But my pockets are either non-existant or too small for a regular phone, so unless I want to carry a purse everywhere I go, into the bra it goes. Of course turtle necks put a damper on my system, but I get by.

Bowl of Piss Water

If Ben and Arthur isn't on the list for the show, you should probably check it out. It's so bad. Just so bad.

Daniel

I feel like you could list a Masters degree before a PHD if it’s also a terminal degree? Unsure. I have a terminal Masters but no PHD so it’s just academic to me I guess. :)

Winter

At my old house, they were doing something across the street and they put up a pole and then a month later dug a trench and disappeared for a month - so one day I looked outside and there was a guy in the trench and I went over to him and told him I lived across the street and what were they doing and he said ‘putting up 5G …’ and I was like ‘how cool - I work online …’ and you could see that he was visibly relieved … poor guy …

Winter

I can actually provide some useful information from being a pissant in the university system most of my life! There are fields where a Masters is a terminal degree - the two that come to mind are fine arts and business … I’m not sure how you would do a Ph.D in fine arts (but mine is in educational psychology so that may just be a lack of knowledge on my part) - in business, though - and in parts of psychology now that I think about it - there is a break between applied and research orientation - so a Masters in business teaches you what you need to know to run a business/work for a corporation … if you got a PhD in business you might be researching new ways to motivate employees or something with the idea of publishing in a journal and following a research path … So the psychology program I work for right now trains school psychologists - they get all the skills they need to diagnose issues that are obvious in school settings, how to do IEPs, and all of that stuff - that is a terminal degree - they learn all the techniques in a Masters … sometimes, though, they run across a topic they think isn’t getting enough research - for me it was helping Autistic people transition from a pretty high support environment in high school to less support in a college environment - so I got a PhD so i could research that and have people take me seriously …

Daniel

I have an MFA. My friend who I went to Grad school with eventually got a PHD in Design afterwards, focusing on comic art. I’m not sure how she’d put the letters after her name because it’s nothing I’ve ever seen her do before. :)

Michael Duchek

And after I typed that I went looking for the theme music again, and it looks there's newish uploads on YT. I don't know if they're episodes that have already been covered.

Kate Gardner

Okay, I have to ask. Why do firefighters believe That about cell phone towers specifically?

Antony Mills

Phone in the Bra is actually very common with "Southern" girls.

TenaciousB

I have several sports bras that have pockets built in specifically for a phone!

Peter Kyrouac

Oh yeah, boob cash...not cool. I worked at a KFC in college and I never cared for it when someone would take a twenty out of their cleavage to pay for their chicken. We had to accept it though—it was money after all. This is why we don't put money in our mouths, kids. Not even for doing drugs.

Sami Marie

exactly why cards >>>> cash. when i was little they used to tell me "you never know who's buttcrack that bill's been in" lol. and people wonder why I'm a germaphobe...

Pamela

My kingdom for a guest who treats art and literature with the same respect and passion as Cara treats science ❤️

Markus Nävergård

I love this one, because it is just the same bullshit they always claimed. be it Television fucking up your eyes, or microwave ovens or what ever. and it is always the same two thing. Cancer and Autism. the two things folks are scared of because they have so little knowledge on what causes them. Never realising that the reasons we find more of it is because weknow what to look for and in the case of cancer, we live longer. But they never realise that these things always been around, just that now we know how to diagonse them. so tot hem it is like it suddenly sprang up.

Miles G

This is true, but it's fault of the altimeter manufacturers more than it's the fault of the 5G providers. The n77 5G band operates at 3.7-4.2 GHz, which is just below the frequency range for radar altimeters (4.2-4.4 GHz), but the part of the n77 band that actually gets used caps out at 3.98 GHz. The potential for interference exists because some altimeters were built when the 3.7-4.2 GHz band wasn't seeing much use, and they use filters that are overly sensitive to frequencies below their allotted range. You normally want some sensitivity to frequencies outside your transmit range to account for things like the Doppler effect, but 220 MHz is a fairly wide margin for this

Spamuel

Neat, good to know! My work is on the records and compliance side, so I know we switched the fleet to Collins LRA-900+ as an AMOC for that AD, but they didn't really explain the details. Thanks for the explanation

Riley Cullerton

Any way to help us fit the commentary to align more with the movie like a start time stamp or anything to follow along? as always I love the content yall got me through so many of my worst jobs just kinda curious

Winter

Thanks for explaining that - so the PhD moves into a small aspect of a field just like in the more scientific fields in familiar with …

Maddie

I was worried I was going to be "that person" because I assumed that was what it meant at first. I can hear a CRT in the same building along with most things that use a "brick" charger. Newer ones aren't as loud as older ones, though, and I can't hear most non-CRTs.

Jeaneene

My phone spends more time with my boobs than my husband does. I cannot tell you how many people have warned me about the connection to breast cancer and holding your phone in your bra. I usually just respond with, “meh.” I hate carrying a purse so into my bra the phone goes.

Jeaneene

Dude, I live in Fairfax, CA. There were protests against 5G and SmartMeters. Petitions, hearings at the town council meetings, all of it. RFK fuckface is bringing it all back up and I want to murder his disgusting face for it.

Jeaneene

Are you my neighbor? I have several of those around me.

Jeaneene

Great episode!

Party Cat

I frequently slip my phone into my bra because I don't always carry my purse and usually do not have pockets

Markus D

I know that they don't make great pockets on women's clothing, but... you have to reach down your shirt to get your phone out, though? I don't understand how people do this unless they don't look at their phones all that often.

Markus D

All the guys not knowing about the blood brain barrier made me properly realize that "Oh, I guess I do know more biology stuff than the average person".

Jeaneene

Mostly I do it when I’m out walking my dog. I don’t reach for my phone much while doing that because I’m listening to podcasts.

Oxford Comma is Mandatory

Maybe things are different in Cali, but in NV we were given smart meters by default and people had to opt out.

Lexy

As somebody who climbs and services cell towers around the US for a living, police and fire stations need their own equipment on cell towers so that their own calls can be made, and it's way more convenient for them to have the towers on their own property. If they have their equipment on a tower they don't own, then that tower needs way more added security and monitoring to ensure it isn't tampered with.