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Rome 1x02 Reaction (Patreon)

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lee eames

Forgot how great this series is, really enjoyed your reaction to the first episode.

CrashTestWalrus

Killer Friday, girls! Just got the rest of day free, so I'm all set for good time with Movie Munchies

Armarbu

Did you know that the Nazis admired the Romans and adopted many things from them? For example, the salute. For many people around the world who suffered under the Nazis, this salute is unwelcome. In Germany, you could be sentenced to up to three years in prison for using this salute. The story of Julius Caesar is very well known; he appointed himself dictator for life. Please read up on him—for instance, the Wikipedia article—so that you can follow the story. I think the series assumes that you are already familiar with the history.

King Bob

Pompey explicitly explains the strategy to Cicero beforehand: he wants Caesar to see that he has essentially lost the political support of the Senate. But he doesn't want Caesar actually declared an enemy, because that would leave Caesar with no legal/political route other than fighting. Senate: "Caesar must surrender!" Antony: "I veto that." Result: Caesar isn't formally condemned, but he knows the Senate is overwhelmingly against him. That is intended to pressure Caesar into backing down without starting a civil war. Caesar's speech afterwards is so important. He presents the failure to allow Antony's veto as proof that the Republic has descended into lawlessness, giving him the political justification he needs to act.

Armarbu

Under Roman law, it was strictly forbidden for military commanders to cross the border into Italy (the Rubicon River) with armed troops. Anyone who did so was immediately considered an enemy of the state and committed high treason.

Armarbu

When were young Romans considered adults? Males: Between the ages of 14 and 17; the father determined the exact time based on the youth's maturity. They could enter into contracts, start a family, or go to war. However, a young man often did not possess true independence until his own father died; until then, he remained legally subject to his father's authority. Females: Once physical maturity was reached, girls were considered women and could be married.

Gaëtarrow

For the salute. Yes and No. Yes the nazis (and most fascist) took the "roman salute". But the "roman" salute itself... is it really roman? We have this idea mostly because of the painting of the 20th century and the pose of a few statues, mostly emperor, but the arm is not fully extend with those last ones. So yes, they took waht they think was a roman salute. but in fact, we don't even know if they had one. But you're right, today, it has a whole diferent meaning. one to avoid absolutely!

JamesCAMH

its a show where a couple seconds of dialogue early in the show may be required to understand what comes later

JamesCAMH

VOCABULARY to help - translated to Vietnamese. Veto- Quyền phủ quyết - Meaning "I forbid" in Latin. The Tribunes (eg Mark Antony) hold this absolute power to instantly block any law or actions suggested by the Senate. (consuls also can veto or forbid/cancel a motion/suggestion of the senate). proposing caesar be named an enemy of Rome was just something Pompey wanted to be proposed but he wanted it to be cancelled, he just wanted caesar to feel that he had no support in the senate. he needed the motion to be vetoed. that's why he said no blood, and wanted Antony not to be harmed so he could come back to the senate the next day and veto (cancel) the motion against caesar Tyranny - Bạo chính / Chế độ chuyên chế - dictator, lawless rule by a single person like a King instead of a system that divides power between people and gives rights to all classes (except slaves). The Senators constantly accuse Caesar of seeking tyranny to destroy the the Republic. 🏛️ Political & Social Classes (Tầng lớp Xã hội & Chính trị) English Term- Vietnamese Translation- Context in the Show Senate - Viện Nguyên lão - The supreme governing body of the Republic. It is dominated by wealthy aristocrats like Pompey Magnus and Cato, who fight desperately against Caesar to maintain their monopoly on power. Senator - Nguyên lão nghị viên - A member of the Senate. In the show, they wear white togas with broad purple stripes. Patrician - Quý tộc / Quý tộc lâu đời - The traditional, elite ruling class of Rome (e.g., Atia, Brutus, Servilia). nobility. (you saw Troy, at the end of Troy a boy escapes, aeneus, and the Patricians believed they were descended from the royal Trojan families) like in Japan some of the samurai families believed they were descended from divinity. tokugawa etc. Plebeian (Pleb) - Bình dân / Lớp người bình dân - The common citizens of Rome (e.g., Pullo, Vorenus’s family, the mobs, but also Marc Antony and many soldiers, also Pompey). They are the labor force, farmers, and soldiers but can have lots of power and wealth as merchants or generals, like Pompey Tribune (of the Plebs) - Khán quan dân biểu / Bảo dân quan - A highly powerful political position, elected strictly to protect the rights of the plebeians - In Season 1, Mark Antony is elected Tribune. His body is legally "sacrosanct" (untouchable), which is why his street scuffle is used by Caesar as a religious excuse to declare war on Rome - (Mark Antony was too stupid to realize he needed to veto the motion, but maybe caesar was counting on this) Consul - 執政官 / Chấp chính quan - There are TWO highest-ranking executives and military commanders of the Republic. Elected each year, they function essentially as co-presidents (but they divide power and have short terms so this prevents anyone from becoming like a king) Dictator - Độc tài quan - In Rome, this was a legitimate, constitutional emergency office giving one person absolute power for a short time. it happened a few times before, but the republic has a system to stop people from taking absolute power, that is what Cato is talking about in episode 1, that caesar has to stop his war in gaul and stop gaining power and wealth. Legion - Quân đoàn - The massive military division of the Roman army (around 4,800 to 6,000 soldiers). The focus of the show is the famous Legio XIII Gemina (Quân đoàn 13). THIRTEENTH legion - this is the legion we see most closely it's what binds honor and identity of Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus and the rest of the army you saw marching with caesar across that river Legionary Binh lính quân đoàn / Bộ binh La Mã The professional heavy infantry soldiers (like Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus at this point. some more helpful context without spoiling (in a way English speaking people who watched this show already had major plot points spoiled for them, though - major events in the show are just known and taught to people in school - but it'll be interesting to see foreign reactions to the show where they don't have the major plot points spoiled - still it won't make enough sense without some context I think)- - within Rome a roman citizen of any class (not slaves) have rights at least they are supposed to. Governing a province outside of Rome was a way for elite romans to get rich and in those provinces people didn't have the rights of even poor roman citizens. WITHIN Rome the rules and laws and division of power was very important to people like Cato and Cicero - even though many wanted to preserve their privilege. regarding Brutus's family - in the west people learn this in school, British audiences especially would start the show knowing this (roughly) 500 years before this show is set, Rome was ruled by Kings (in the republic, in this show, the idea of a King or even seeming to want to be King would be looked down upon and anyone seeming to want to be king openly would be instantly hated and outcast the reason Brutus is respected in the context of this show is in part that his ancestor also called Brutus killed the last king of Rome 500 years before the show is set, and since then it has been a Republic - Brutus's family started the republic in effect, and the roman republic is cherishes and respected in the west as a sort of ideal. it's why in the USA they use the terms senate and division of power etc. and why a president in the USA who seems to take too much power is called a tyrant. why the USA was formed because they rejected being ruled by Kings in England. Cato who wears the black toga is the most clear example of someone who thinks the laws of the republic must be followed no matter what - he's like Stannis Baratheon personality (except doesn't want anyone to be king, stannis didn't want to be king either but the rules were that he was king - in HBO Rome the rule is no one can be king, and Cato is set on that).

Farbot

Borrowed English vocabulary time: A "veto" in this case is an official block of a proposed law so it doesn't pass. Marc Antony's position is like that of a co-president of the Roman executive branch of government, which allows him some power to "nope" out of new laws the Senate wants to pass.

tommy23

Excellent. Now I can look forward to spending Thursdays AND Fridays with the Munchie girls! Keep on rockin

JamesCAMH

part of that was AI generated, one mistake I think, it suggested the senators wear purple - I think that isn't correct? - wearing purple would be seen as acting too much like you think you are King-ish.

Gaëtarrow

Ave Munchies !! (ave= salutation in latin) welcome back in the "eternal city" (yes that's on of her nickname) Let the civil war began! Again , lot of work for me to help you understand without saying too much...😅 "Caesar is more experienced, Pompey is not realy...." the show really don't explain nothing of their background.... Pompey is also called "Pompey the great" , he had a huge military career way before Caesar began his own. he fough in spain, in modern turkey, syria and palestine and even lead a whole campaing to get rid of pirates in the mediteranean sea. He's clearly an experimented military leader. Something I forgot to say, We are in -50BC. For the episode as Caesar explained, the tribune of the people is the direct representant of the common people. So he's the biggest counter to the senate when they want to make laws. the senators cooming from the wealthy familly, the tribunes is their protector. (in fact, they create the function after huge riots and almost a civil war...it gave you an idea of how big this post is important to rule Rome. even more when the "plebes" (the "common" people) is just as numerous as you can guess seeing the real modeern life (some things never change). I'm with Katie. they certainly were passing by, the soldier saw the shepperd girl and either way paid her and forced her by menace (she didn't looked happy to do it)... and yes, this is insane. it's sad for Octavia, the "forced to divorce one". but she's a daughter of a patrician. (bassicaly a princess in GOT) her unly use is political (if we don't count her duty as wife like managing the slaves and the houses) "the nobles have taken the land and the slaves the work". Exactly that... Rome conquered so many lands those 3 last centuries, the rich became wealthier bought more lands and used "low-cost" slaves (war prisonners most of them) as workforce, leaving a huge majority of normal roman citizen jobless (slaves are cheaper to pay....when 30-40% of the population are slaves..you understand why). and many came to Rome to find jobs (of course none expect as "client" of a nobles: "I pay you, you're my servant now, but i protect and feed you too$/" bassicaly) Vorenus is what we call an "optimates" (tradionnlist, the republic must not change his ways) and Lucius a "populares" ( a reformist. the laws must change for all the citizen to prosper). Just like that we have the entire roman internal conflict. Caesar is a "populares", he use the people's wish to change. So a huge part of the population starving because of lack of work (despite a "social help", they give bread free to the poor), a nobility also minority having all the power and money, and political leader using the ideology of both camp for their carreer and profit. (the show skipped it, but it's not the first civil war in less than 100 years Rome is having with that. they already had one 30 years before the events of the show). the city is a total mess and ready to blow again. and if you wonder, Cato and Cicero are optimates, clearly. dormouse= little rodent they eat. it's looking like an hamster mixed with an squirrel. Beware with the "roman salute". the fascist (N*zis) did use it (mofiy it a little but still). today, No one can use it for obvious reason. which is funny, because we don't even know if a real roman salute did exist. we have some depiction, but is it a real salute or just a simple gest? but the slute as we know it come from 20th century painting... so you get the idea. but it's better not to do it (except the "bump on the heart" that's ok.) Ok, even me don't understand why he as a pha*lus/p*nis from a german on him! that wasn't the roman who cut the genitals to claim how many ennemies they killed on battlefield... it was the bronze age aegyptians. (not even the same period) "I feel like helenn of troy" I loved Chi's face on that line! 😅 One legion= between 5 and 6 thoussands men. It was statue who was naked! not a man. near a brothel it must be Bacchus or another god of festivity. But did we really need to see all of those people in their intimacy ? i don't think so... "this man is a troublemaker" it's an understatement. And yes, "trepanation" that's how you call opening the head like that. here he remove the broken part of the bones inside the skull and put a metal thing to replace it. but as always religion is not far, hence the rabbit being sacrified. "the children too!" yes... "adulthood" in rome is around 14-16 for boys (it depends). for girls, at their first period. Veto= when they proposed a motion/law, the veto is here to prohibited it. if veto is posed, it's like the motion was never proposed at all in first place. "she deserve a slap" for the idea yes, but knowing the mother...well...it's a sweet revenge. Believe it or not, but infight between men of each camp in the middle of the city and so on...it was very common at that point. And the "forum" is the heart of the city. where the senate is, also many temples, where all the political announced are done and also the biggest trading place of the city (quite small here the forum). the river the army crossed is called the rubicon. by law, no army can cross it without becoming outlaw and traitor! In french (I don't know in english), we had a saying coming from the latin " to cross the rubicon". It means "passing a point of no return or making an irreversible decision". (way less used today, but still exist). Damn !! Niobe is twisted! saying it's her grandson !! 🤯 for the conclusion the war has began. Well, Lucius and veronus are fictionous. so the guy attacking them on the forum making this misunderstanding is false. in reality, the senators expelled Marc-anthony and some of his support from the senate. not an attack like that. (not a big difference, but still). For Pompey's plan, the idea: using mark-anthony 's veto as a shield to protect Caesar legally, but using the motion to show that no senators was with him. but without the veto, it backfired... Well for the episode itself. good dpeiction of the politics. little romance about how the events went but that's ok, the main point is here and we had to have our "main fictionnous character" in it in a way or another. And you know my problem with the "neccesity" of showing the sex scene. what's the point? even Octavia mocking her mother's scream would have worked if we saw only her and hearing the screaming... and no need to explain the others. but that's how it goes now. you're used to it now. Anyway, we will see how it goes. even if I know how it will. but my advice: stop idealizing Caesar! him and Pompey are much alike in their scheming and way to get power. just Caesar is more tricky with the laws and use the people, pompey try to use the laws and keep the senate with him. that's the only difference. (politicaly! and in short...) Good times, thanks for the discovery and have a good day munchies !!

Christopher Young

As explained earlier the crossing of the Rubicon river is a point of no return for Julius Caesar. It is still quite common to refer to a significant leadership decision to proceed or not proceed by a person as a 'Rubicon' moment for that person.

chris brown

Great reaction looking forward to the next episode

Javier Ochoa

Veto is a political term that means to block or to stop or to try to stop a law from becoming a law

RichieBIV

Just a little clarification on what Pompey was doing here. He didn't want a war with Caesar. The whole point of that Senate vote was to show Caesar just how few friends he had left in Rome. Pompey wanted the vote against Caesar to be overwhelming so Caesar would see it and basically realize, "I've lost. The Senate isn't with me." But Pompey was also counting on Mark Antony to veto the decision. A veto basically means someone with the legal power to say, "No, this doesn't go forward," even if everyone else voted for it. As Tribune, Antony had that power. So Pompey could let Caesar see how badly the vote went against him while still expecting Antony's veto to stop it from actually taking effect. Basically, Pompey was trying to beat Caesar politically, not start a civil war. He wanted Caesar to see that he had lost his support in Rome, give up his demands, and come home without his army. The problem is... he gambled and lost. 🍿 On to Episode 3. And why not start popping out two at a time? We live in the time of the "binge." Give us a baby 👶🏾 binge. 😉🍿

Joe Stüll

That is not exactly unique though. European history is full of states and leaders that try to claim the legacy of Rome. The association gives them legitimacy and prestige.

Armarbu

Katie, I’m impressed that you understood how the conflict started at the forum scene. It was the man from the tavern brawl who attacked Titus Pullo.

Robert Meza

We all know America is the true heir of Rome

k12345

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Scottish Smurf

Sorry Chi, Katie was right as it had only been 1 year of her thinking that her husband was dead. What makes it worse for her is that even if the baby was newly born then she must have cheated on him at the very beginning of that year.

Chris Kodama

Chi - Niobe, the wife of Lucius Vorenus, is played by the same actress (Indira Varma) who played Ellaria Sand (the woman who poisoned Myrcella Baratheon with a poisoned kiss) in Game of Thrones.