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Study 036 - The Werewolf and the Vampire - Part 2 (Patreon)

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2023-03-23 14:00:02
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2026-06
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Things take a dark turn in The Werewolf and the Vampire by R. Chetwynd-Hayes, available in Looking for Something to Suck or The Monster Club. Tune in to see how it all ends!

Special thanks to reader Mike Mason, creative director for The Call of Cthulhu Roleplaying Game. Chaosium has just released a new edition of Nameless Horrors: Six Scenarios Against the Unknown! Unlike anything you’ve encountered before, these one-shot games will keep even the most seasoned investigators on their toes!

Next up: VAMPIRE BONUS EPISODE - we discuss Draculas in the News and the film A Girl Who Walks Home Alone at Night.

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Ethan Cordray

I think that this story, much like the movie of Pet Sematary, proves that it's impossible to have a non-funny fight between an adult and a killer baby.

Hayden Orr

So glad Chad finally confronted Chris about his casual anti-monsterism. Just because you’ve got one friend who’s a Frankenstein doesn’t mean you get a pass on being ignorant, please be better.

Ethan Cordray

More seriously, I liked the discussion of "domestic monsters" being an analogy for civil rights movements. I agree that, like the X-Men, it's not a very good analogy to the racial equality movement. However, I think it might have more similarity to other movments, such as those for the acceptance of sexual minorities or religious minorities, groups whose behaviors and beliefs might shock the dominant majority culture. But an even better analogy might be with the movement to change perceptions of mental illness or disability. Both werewolfism and vampirism can reasonably be viewed as forms of unchosen physical/mental disease (the werewolf undergoing involuntary physical transformation, the vampire having an involuntary compulsion to drink blood). The question in the story is whether these conditions can be accommodated (or maybe even treated?) within normal, middle-class social life, or whether they must be stigmatized and repressed. George and Carola seem to manage their conditions well, and just want to live a typical middle-class family life and raise their child in peace. The Reverend is acting a bit like a Eugenicist, believing that society needs to be cleansed from their monstrous taint (and he's especially horrified that they have reproduced, potentially polluting the genepool).

Joshua Weiss

Two things: 1) George and Carola come across as sympathetic because the story is being told by their grown-up Werevamp son. In the framing story, he tells it as a tragedy of human/monster confrontation. All of the other monsters who are listening commiserate 2) If we shift to the reverend and the little boy as viewpoint characters, this story could very well have appeared in "Tales from the Crypt." The reverend discovers the monsters, but only one little boy believes him. They take matters into their own hands, and while they end the threat they both end up incarcerated. The reverend turning into a monster would be the shocking final splash panel.

Rick Hound

The best way for how the X-men are a flawed analogy but also a great image for civil rights and the like is how the creators and later writers had to juggle with wanting to craft the themes they wanted and how to hook their readers even if later on would be conflicting with either. Characters like Beak is a better way to emphasize as a better analogy for the themes they want but as a character very little actually find him interesting. Here this story was to me surprisingly good at using the trope of the sympathetic monster at its fullest. At most I usually roll my eyes to it, but thanks to the way the first half hooked me and the readers in. The second half was the perfect gut punch needed to emphasize the theme.

Jim Cannon

A monster baby IS a disturbing image. A regular human baby is just a quivering, defenseless id that needs what it needs now, no questions asked, no effs given, because a baby has no empathy or sense of anything really beyond its self. That comes with time; growth; maturation; the guidance of guardians. Give a baby fangs, fur, and mobility and you have trouble on your hands... because ultimately its still a baby, and there's an atavistic need to protect or at worst "not harm" a baby or child. Even Cole, twisted sadist that he was, fled the scene without attempting to harm the little were-vamp.

Science Doctor, PhD

I have no practical comment but as I sit here at 7am on my Saturday working on my PhD (which tragically has nothing to do with vampires or werewolves) I just wanted to say how glad I am that these shows let me think about nerdy stuff like this rather than healthcare messaging or concept analyses.

Beanz

Everything about this screams The Munsters. That show combined the decor, silliness, and social commentary. I'm pretty sure there's even a scene of a young man running from the house. Murder babies are terrifying BUT the description of this one made me squee. Have you seen kittens at that age where they have their bumper car tails?

It's a Ghost.

This story made me think about how people often interact with wolves and bats and other maligned animals. We see them as threats when in fact we’re much more likely to be a threat to them.

Jerome Arnold

Was re-listening to Episode 310: "Slime" (for the unknownth time) by Joseph Payne Brennan, and was wondering if my favorite podcasters were ever going to cover any of the Lucius Leffing stories he wrote. All the best.

Sweatin' to the Great Oldies

My favorite dracula / werewolf / monster stories are those where someone chooses to be a monster. The whole attack (rape) and tainted blood (miscegenation) trope is important and pointed and . . . gets boring. So I'm most interested in our child of sin. The killer who justifies his monstrousness. Lives among us. There's something of the original meaning of monster in there.

Clay Capps

Agreed! Many of the "original" stories from the 16th century are of people who for various reasons seek the power to becone werewolves, and its not considered a morally good choice. With today's serial killers, terrorists, and others, we need a monster who chooses evil rather than just being understood.