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Ernie

IM FIRST "MOVE"

naa

No YOU move 😡

Andrew

Lupa- "Eww wet dirt, it's like slush" Bro forgot what mud was lol

WackoB

The revelation in this episode left my brain leaking out my ears. The writers are on some good shit

L S

peak, easily the most brutal episode

Hunter

LET'S GOOOOOO

Danielle

Remember what bartosz said at the beach!

Jamaal Ellison

See why can't From be on this type of timing.

Websites

Oh boy this is definitely an episode

Xemnas27

Back to peak confusion lets gooo

Ernie

27:50 Funny you would say that... because it actually Is the actors real son!

Ernie

33:15 how i eat my re-heated ramen while watching this reaction!

C

This is when I stopped taking notes to try to keep up/outsmart/play the game at home. One of the best tv memories I'll ever have.

R

"That's crazy, he looks just like him." Yeah, old Peter and young Peter are played by IRL father and son. The commitment to authentic casting in this show is on another level.

LaTesha

Yea you would have to wait till the end to read the family tree and to look at the site just in case the end confuses you.

Jacob Livingston

The young Peter is actaully peters son in real life. Pretty damn crazy. And the trio with weird lip the middle one and old one are actual father and son in real life too.

suhbrly

idk if y'all remember but in season 2 episode 6, when martha, magnus and bartosz are swimming in the lake, bartosz tells the story of a woman who drowned there (that day is also when jonas finds the pendant at the lake)... katharina's story is so tragic

Inconspicuous Pug

Holy shit I just realized that Katherina’s mom was saying “I got rid of you” cause she got the abortion when she was 12

Jacob Livingston

This is probably the most traumatic episode of television I have ever watched. Fucking heartbreaking for everybody man.

Divinerights

Yep. And she would absolutely have a weird (even religious) complex about it.

Divinerights

“You’re not worthy of the name you’ve been given” aka not worthy of being named after the woman who slept with your son, and husband and is your number one enemy.

Rosa

this episode is so good

Spencer

The perks of having a fully written story from day 1.

Alberto Moreno

In normal conditions I think Katarina would've remembered her mom coming home bloodied. However, her mom is trauma that is evident she never addressed. So as she grow up, she probably block a lot of memories from her. Is the normal response of the brain to trauma like that.

sol jam

I feel so bad for Helene(Katharina's mom) she was sexualy abused her entire life and had to keep getting abortion after abortion since she was a minor until she gave up and had Katharina. We don't know if she ever found love or not but it doesn't look like it so she was probably jealous that her daughter found one.

sol jam

I'm sorry but Helge doesn't look like he was ever mentally stable so I don't think he ever had sex unless maybe it was with a sex worker? Personally I believe Peter is Helge's brother instead. His dad was fealthy rich it's more realistic that a man like him would have Illegitimate kids. Maybe his mom thought that way is better since men like Helge's dad died by this point?

sol jam

Didn't she tell Hannah that aborted kids go to hell and then now called Katharina a demon? Yeah it makes sense cosidering the time and her circumstance to be very religious and the wierd type

Green Gren

In 1st season Magnus and Bartosz were scaring Martha in the lake with a story about a women who drowned there...

fluffypuppy2k

Please please react to isekai oji-san please 🥺

Jamaal Ellison

@34:13 TSK TSK TSK, you know what would have been useful right about now? A dad, too bad. I left my behind to go be grown.

Jamaal Ellison

60 seconds later....sigh* peter you died as you lived unimpressively and useless as ever.

Prune Chips

Oh now Noah can empathize with people. When Jonas was being flung back and forth through time, Noah was kee keeing about how Jonas doesn't know shit. Didn't care about Jonas's dead dad. Didn't care about Jonas being separated from his only remaining parent (yes she's a whole villain but STILL). But when its his future bae, NOW he cares about the suffering of others 🤨?

Argo2Unitard

Apparently, Roshi's mom wears a different outfit every single day of her life. Like bro she was coming home from work at the hospital.

Prune Chips

Yeah you're right. Another win for young Noah's actor regardless. He's able to convey so much with facial expressions

AnnaSama

Not quite. Franziska is just Charlotte's daughter and Elisabeth's sister/granddaughter. She doesn't have children. The picture of Tannhaus' son, daughter-in-law, and grandchild. They all died. No relation to any of our other characters.

AnnaSama

I'm not sure where you're getting that. I feel bad for her, too, but we only see evidence of the one abortion, and she's married to Katerina's father. She's definitely had a miserable life, though.

sol jam

Hermann Albers is Katharina's uncle not just father and the shephard that was shown briefly in season 2, is older than her a lot and incest is a theme of this show. Helene have never changed her last name and she was never married officially which is weird for a religious woman in the 80s too. If she kept getting sexually abused by her uncle from age 12 and had to get abortion chances are it kept happening especially since evidence show that she kept getting sexually abused by the same person

Dexter Gaba

Worst ep of the show tbh

HollowedSlayer

You are now remembering the story Bartosz was talking about in Season 2 when they were swimming in the lake about the lady of the lake who drowned there.

Learning Leisure

Man I’m learning more and more about this show, inside and out, than I have about virtually every other show I’ve watched.

Learning Leisure

Also, the young Katarina of the time had to deal with the additional trauma of watching her boyfriend be falsely accused of rape by Hannah on the same(?) day.

Raymond Terry

This is the most intricate time travel stuff I've ever seen. It keeps blowing my mind. The 2020's kids were swimming in the same lake that had Katharina's body at the bottom of it. Towards the end of season 2 didn't they make a joke about a body being at the bottom of the lake? It was before they prank Martha and pull her under the water. I do have one nitpick, not a big deal, just an observation and maybe we just have to chalk it up to the paradox of time travel. The show has kind of glossed over it so far, especially when it's the other characters' time traveling and interacting with themselves. Katharina 1980's and 2020's version passed/interacted with each other in the school in the 2nd episode of this season. Hannah's 1980's version was accosted by Katharina's 2020's version. I woud think that those kind of incidents would be something you'd lock in on if either Hannah 2020's version saw what Katharina grew up to be like and for Katharina 2020's version if she looked in the mirror and said I remember seeing myself looking like this. It's part of why Mikkel (Michael) was cooked for most of his adult life, before being pushed over the edge by Jona's meeting. /Hopefully that all makes sense! Roshi made the point aout Katharina's mom being bloody, beating her, and saying what she said. Again, maybe that's just time travel, and something that I wanted to type out before jumping into the next one.

malfunct

lupa's apocalypse survival skills on 100 🤣 he said shoot on SIGHT

Learning Leisure

@Ren. Tanhaus, in this very same episode, explains to young charlotte that the people in the photo are his son and daughter-in-law who died in a car crash.

Delinda Arts

When Jonas was surrounded by his baby moms, he should’ve started Krumping. He got the fit for it. That room look like a stage from You Got Served (2004) anyway. Missed opportunity lmao.

Learning Leisure

Maybe Helge did do it with a sex worker? It would make sense why Peter is coming all the way to see a person he apparently never met.

asdasdasdas

wait so where did the necklace come from??? Katharina's mum > lake > Pre-show Jonas > Midlife Jonas > Marta (pillow) > ??? she gives it back at some point right?? > Our Jonas > Jonas' mum > young Katharina's mum (1950s abortion clinic) > grows up, lost again at lake. I think I'm missing something, help!!!

Learning Leisure

I don’t think it’d be that big of a deal or plot hole imo. considering how much young Katherina experienced in that time frame (sleeping with ulrich, getting abused by her mom, dealing with Hannah framing ulrich for false rape), it’d kinda make sense for her not to remember briefly seeing an old “crazy lady”. Consider how long it took for her mom to catch on after a few visits for example.

Learning Leisure

I see we’ve entered the “games of thrones” phase of the show!

asdasdasdas

shit no just caught that again at the end, he gives it to alternate youngest Marta. So ??? > Hannah > Young Helene > Midlife Helene > Katharina/lake > Pre-show Jonas > Midlife Jonas > Marta (pillow) > ??? And we also have ??? > Our Jonas > Youngest Alt. Marta > ???. I can't remember if the missing holders were ever shown.

Hanno

Ulrich doesn't deserve Katharina

HollowedSlayer

Katharina is such a tragic story, had an abusive mother who never wanted her whilst she herself did everything for her kids in spite of how she was raised.

Penguin

In 2x6 when they are at the lake, Bartosz tells Martha a story of a dead woman at the bottom of the water that drags people down, then Magnus pulls her under. Now we know this is about their mom

Hanno

Peter died thinking he failed his daughter 💔💔

Hanno

Ulrich and Katharina are dogshit time travellers. Like husband like wife

Hanno

Katharina's name is another paradox. Katharina's mum named her after Hannah who was calling herself Katharina

Treyvon Jackson

jonas at the end scene looked like he had angel wings

malfunct

lol yeah. I think another thing to keep in mind is that noah has known adam since he (noah) was young, so maybe he doesn't respect jonas because he sees him as a pathetic, pre-adam loser

malfunct

both adam and eva have a necklace as well. midlife jonas -> adam. alt martha -> eva. that's their "final" locations, I believe

malfunct

and yes, martha "gives back" the necklace to our jonas when she's dying on the floor

fluffypuppy2k

Next k drama is mr queen please 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 please

naa

The actor playing younger Peter is older Peter's son irl

naa

that's why they have such a resemblance

Jamaal Ellison

Damn, Just when you thought you were grown enough to beat your parents in a fight. Smh, that sucks. I feel so bad for Katerina. She just wanted to save her kid and her family, and it's all falling apart in the worst way possible. I think she also wanted to confront her mother for all the abuse she had to suffer through, only for it to end tragically.

AnnaSama

I'm saying this with the assumption that Tannhaus is telling th truth (a bold assumption in this show), and because that's definitely not Franziska in the photo. If you look again, different features and no red hair.

garf

Whole episode just fucked up

Cami

katherina's story is so sad. her mother was abusive her entire life and then killed her in the future/past... and the fact that she told katharina she wasn't worthy of her name when she got it from hannah... just sad

Anaïs

Peter and Katherina’s death are both so brutal

Paul-Junior Black

48:12 They have stories about a woman who died in the lake who drags people down. Magnus and Bartozs pranked Martha with it in season 2. Also Helene said "I got rid of you. You came from hell. The devil sent you" because she thought that was one of her aborted children calling her mom. Not because she thought it was Katharina

Stale Breast Milk

Even if she remembered seeing her mom coming home bloody what would her conclusion be? It wouldn't possibly lead to some kind of revelation cause there was 0 context.

Stale Breast Milk

Each episode I side more and more with Adam, why maintain this perpetual cycle of agony?

Samuela Shannon

She thought that was her aborted child😭🥀

Tori

So in one episode we lose a Peter, a Katarina AND Jonas!? 😭 This sucks and my brain is fried

Tori

And I have a stupid question. If Jonas just got killed, how is there older versions of him? Bc there is only 1 Jonas, right? He doesn't exist in the other world? I'M SO CONFUSED

Saphthings

I just realized "you're not worth the name you were given", Katarina. It's because she thinks Hannah is this very holy person who didn't go through with an abortion... and she named her after her...

Saphthings

And she thinks Hannah was a devout person who didn't go through with the abortion and left her the necklace, so she named her daughter Katarina after her, and here she's mad and saying, "you're not worthy of the name you were given"

Saphthings

The one BIG difference between this and a lot of shows like this, is that they don't do that fuzzy "flashback" kind of sequence. Like any other show would have it flashback to them going, "a woman drowned on this lake once". This show just sort of let's you remember or not, look it up or not.

mysterioussfox

Considering what katharina went through in her childhood and despite that she turned out be a great mom to magnus, martha, and mikkel. Her and Egon going the way they went. What a tragedy.

glodgy

😭😭 fr

Denzelwya

another callback I think is when Jonas traveled to 1986 he saw Charlotte and told her the line when they were in the woods then she told Peter

Tori

Ohh brill thank you!

Karabo

Now tell me that's not some peak. With a title like life and death you would think one person dies but the show says nah screw that I'm going to give you three. and to Roshi's point it's crazy how this show has the balls to kill our main character The Jonas we've been following since the very beginning of the show that's crazy. Poor Peter he gets lost in The Shuffle as well but rip Peter rip Katharina and rip Jonas

Karabo

In every way, brutal

Karabo

Yoh this killed me remember krumping Damn

janelle

her mom also works in a hospital so while still alarming, it’s not too too crazy

Esteban

“Yeah bro your mom it’s below us “ 💀

A. P.

She said "yours ends here and now," so I just started swinging, knocking Marta's out left and right —Me probably

Saki 🏴‍☠️✨❤️‍🔥

i do NOT care about jonas and marthas freaky ahh romance - but mikkel, katharina, and ulrichs (in regards to his family anyway) storylines r so tragic 😭😭

Ayanda Mpofu

Such a pathetic attempt from Katharina 🤣.

Banko

Knowing myself, last thing I’m gonna do is follow instructions from me. -Roshi 2026. Why is this quote so true though?! lol