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A More Civilized Q&A - November 2022 (Patreon)

Published:
2022-11-30 07:04:46
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2022-11-30 09:31:09
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2026-06
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To both old and new Patrons alike: Hello and welcome to the Q&A for November 2022! 

First off, thanks so much for the outpouring of kind words and support over the last few months of the show. It was a real push for us to take the show weekly for the Autumn of Andor (and to step up our game across production, analysis, and every other asset of the show). But y'all made that worth it. 

Second, we've checked the almanac and it seems like the Winter Solstice is still a few weeks, so while Season 1 of Andor has come to a close the Autumn of Andor CONTINUES! Yes, that means today's Q&A is all about Andor: Our feelings on the show as a political text. The question as to whether or not it would be better as a non-Disney, non-Star Wars property. Our wild theories about Andor's sister. Our desperate speculation about Dedra and Karn's future... It's all right here.

And that's not all: In the main feed, throughout December, we'll have a number of additional Andor-related conversations and episodes. We hope to revisit Rogue One before the year is out, and on top of that, chat with some rad guests from the world of media and games! And at some point, we may even slip into character to pay off a bonus earned during a charity stream a few months ago... 

So stay tuned for one more busy month of Andor-related hype. And thanks again for your support and, since it's not like we have any advertising, for spreading the word! (Rob Zacny voice: Remember to rate and review us on your podcast platform of choice.)

Show Notes

The Visual Evolution of the Tommy Westphall Universe 

Remember Me Ending (timestamped) (idk....) 

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Grassy Gnoll

Regarding Krieger's pilot, I always read the situation as he had to shop about for the air power that Saw would have supplied, so increasing the risk of what happened happening.

lou laverty

this is so late but i think this may be the first time i’ve heard a robert pattinson 9/11 movie reference in the wild

Verdigree

Hearing it described in such detail, I now realize I have actually seen this style of crossover style on the SyFy channel, Warehouse 13, (which I think was the most popular), Eureka, and Alphas all had characters cross over, I guess something between 2006 and 2014

ko

Tuesday midnight Fortnite and Andor mourning podcast

joey

amca wednesday to help us cope... thank you

Chris Kelly

I Andore you all so much

John Wm. Thompson

I’m gonna have to listen to this in full at a reasonable hour and yet… far be it from me to be rude to the man Adam Conover, but it’s like the man Cormac McCarthy said: “books are made of other books”. In the grand scheme, all things being equal, nothing is ever really sui generis (the man Arcade Gannon: “there is nothing new under the sun”). Which is to say that an original Andor wouldn’t necessarily gain anything by going indie, and would still carry many a referent, and if it’s good would still be in dialogue with *something*. Andor only suffers as a branded SW show if the IP holders abrogate or abridge the creative vision of those involved, and suffice to say that this show (for the moment) appears parsecs removed from the MCU movie milieu in which creatives are tamed and adapted, or even from MCU TV in which creatives are systematically denied credit for their work. It’s the thing that most surprised me, honestly - that Disney allowed all the leeway. Ultimately I think that as long as Tony and co can continue to interrogate and complicate the themes and storytelling of SW, it really does actively benefit from its inclusion in the universe (“”). Because there’s no shortage of grist for that mill. That it engages in such impressive dialogue with SW as we’ve known it is the icing on the cake, and it would be a shame to lose that angle. That’s my take.

xandala117

5 star podcast, 5 star run times. Big fan.

Kristopher L Arseneault

I can't remember if it was commented on when it happened or back during the review of the first three episodes, but Andor does drop a very quiet, easily missed "shit" in the 3rd episode. I had actually missed it the first time because it is dropped in so naturally, but when the landing craft goes down because of Brasso's anchor, there is the panicked call between the North Team leader and Mosk, which ends with Mosk quietly going "Shit! We're under siege." I didn't even register it at the time but it was only on a rewatch that I actually realized that he had dropped a proper swear word in a Star Wars show (and what looks to be the first time "Shit" has been uttered on a TV/Movie production for the series, if Wookiepedia is actually correct).

Bungerklaus

Every time you bring up the sequel trilogy it's a fun little nugget of how you all feel about them and I cannot wait for the day you all get to unload on them.

Bungerklaus

Lord hasten the day when AMCA talks about the politics of the first order & the new republic.

Mark Beaumont

I would love to see what this would look like as a wholly new project in a new “world”, but imo, it would be a wholly different beast. A lot of what made the show work so well for me was how tightly paced and plotted and carefully considered every scene was. And I think that’s something they were (only?) able to do because they were able to drape it on the bones of a “world” we’re all already so intimately familiar with, and that culturally-ingrained familiarity let Andor focus exclusively on its characters and the specific story it wants to tell. Without that… 🤷🏻‍♂️ If Andor had to also lay the bricks for its own “world” in which the story was set, I think that would necessitate a slower show. A more stereotypical “prestige TV” show. That said, if Tony Gilroy was interested in spending five-plus seasons building that new world and telling that story through the traditional “prestige TV” lens? Sign me up. I’m ride-or-die with this cast and crew, and I’m sure I’d enjoy it. But it wouldn’t be this show. And since so much of what I love about this show is the propulsive nature of its storytelling, I don’t think it would be as enjoyable—to me—as this show has been.

G Goldhar

I think about Andor sometimes in the context of that Lytton Strachey quote about the Victorian era how we can never fully understand Star Wars because we know too much about it. The best creators can hope to do is cast a small net and in it find crevasses and details, and in those details glean a smaller yet more significant truth. I think that's what makes the show good as a Star Wars text specifically because it is really a very narrow flashlight that allows us to explore very dense reliefs

Nathan Roberts

I think the F goes to Kleya when Vel shows up at the shop.

Che

all i'm saying is. autumn of andor. spring of young sheldon.

Kevin Allen

The Rise of Skywalker podcast will either be 45 minutes or five hours.

Kevin Allen

"Are you *fucking* kidding me..." *puts on the most acerbic forced smile and opens the door*

John Wm. Thompson

Alsooo I wrote this in an email but to Austin’s whole deal abt Yoda’s lecturing abt Jedi restraint / pacifism, and specifically the notion of “no try, only do” as being a variation on “better to ask forgiveness than permission”: the weird ass SW game KOTOR2 was all about that and was very wordy but very good! You play as “the Exile”, a Jedi who (for reasons you define via dialogue) refuses to sit out the Mandalorian wars and is kicked out of the order as a result. It dares to ask the question “what if the deterministic fate that the Jedi demand submission to is in fact really fucked up for some people, and what does that say about the Jedi”. Great game!

Justin Pritchard

The discussion of wether or not clones are willing to kill children is interesting because this show seems to be at odds with what is presented in Bad Batch. Not that I want to discuss anything specific in Bad Batch for fear of spoilers, but I look forward tot he discussion when they get there.

John Wm. Thompson

Should also note that it was ported this year to both iOS and Switch - I know the former port was done by Aspyr, who are very good at porting old games.

Your Name.

Gonna be a long time, seeing as they seemingly plan to tackle all the animated shows in release order (for the love of all that is good hopefully skipping Resistance).

Clove

Was the hat swap a reference to Anakin and Obi-Wan swapping their drinks?

Justin Pritchard

Yeah, waiting through the turd that is Rebels to get to season 7 of clone wars or any of the Tales of the Jedi stuff is going to be bad. Hopefully they don't do tales of the Jedi without doing season 7 of clone wars cause the Ashoka episodes definitely won't hit as hard.

Colin C.

I don't know, but I was reading a thread discussing this topic on Reddit and someone called Syril 'Cereal' and I am dying now.

Connor Rosine

I'm calling my own shot - Andor never finds his sister because Luthen investigates Dedra, discovers she's Andor's sister and has her killed without telling him.

Steph

"He has a fourth toe." "WHERE." "On his foot." "Did the center one split...?" I am dyinggggg this is ICONIC Looking forward to y'all covering Rogue One!

logan

Idk, I kinda hope Dedra isn't Andors sister. This show hasn't been going for that type of shocking reveal so far, and I kinda like that. Also, maybe I'm wrong, but if the Kid Andor stuff takes place before the CIS exist, then there wouldn't be clones either, right? It would just be normal Republic soldiers showing up to investigate the crash

Dash Foley-Wilkins

me desperately screaming “DONT LOOK UP FULCRUM ON WOOKIEPEDIA” at my phone so they don’t spoil themselves lmfao

logan

Cannot believe they talk about Remember Me on this podcast lmao

Donald W Pratt

Which is also the episode I’d have a “fuck” in. It would be Karn standing in the street with his men injured and the speeder burning. He looks into the distance and says “…fuck” and the episode ends.

wolfstar5

thrilled to have had my 15 minutes of fame punctuated by that WILD theory about Dedra - thanks so much

The Inner Moon

As a spiritually inclined anarchist and political philosopher, I feel like I simply must comment on your little discussion of Nemik's manifesto, and the broader question of philosophies of nature vis a vis revolutionary leftism. While I agree that most work on the 'state of nature' is trash, this framing of it is also very Eurocentric. Different accounts of what 'nature' might mean (I'm thinking here of Daoism specifically) don't identify themselves with how nature happens to be right now, but neither do they confine themselves to some abstract semantic impossibility. Rather, nature becomes a non-coercive creative force (quite like the titular Force) which we take to be a necessary condition and origin point for our utopia. This idea then produces a kind of balancing act which escapes both the hubris of high modernism (where nature exists to be controlled) or the passivity of primitivism (where we cannot move beyond some arbitrarily defined natural existence). In a way, you create the Nature you want to have, and it sustains you in turn. The importance of this perspective is not just as a rhetorical strength or a comforting thought, but rather as an ongoing deliberation on our place in the universe, and the balance between our will and that of others. I think there's real value in that.

The Inner Moon

This also ties into a larger problem about Star Wars' engagement with 'Eastern' philosophy (a reductive concept to begin with). In its warped framing thereof, a lot is lost in translation. Unfortunately, the critique of what is facile about the Force can then easily cross over into an uninformed takedown of what are real and practiced religious philosophies. Perhaps that's an interesting discussion to have sometime.

The Inner Moon

In Nemik's specific case, we can get at his philosophy without much abstraction. Tyranny requires constant effort; that is what makes it unnatural. His account of the natural is as something which is effortless, self-sustaining. The Empire is anything but.

MythicalMothman

Every time they talk about a character whose canon death they haven't seen yet 😬

Kzinssie

This is a tangent, but talking about first exposure to Star Wars is making me remember that the thing that got me hardcore into the franchise was Lego Star Wars, and now I'm realizing the process of turning Star Wars into a collectathon platformer where you platform on recreated sets and spend your coins to unlock random background characters as playable might have been the origin of at least some of the Easter egg poisoning people have around this franchise

Katie Knaebe

Please skip Resistance. It is not worth covering.