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Episode 384: Epoch End Times (Patreon)

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2024-06-06 13:41:03
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2026-06
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We take a walk down memory lane and revisit some of our least favorite characters: newly indicted CFO of the Epoch Times Bill Guan, the Falun Gong’s relationship with the media organization, and just why Brandon’s DOJ might be cutting ties to the erstwhile propaganda frenemy. ALSO: why are we doing GAMESTOP fun pumps again???

Michael Pack interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0A8EeTUDAc

Check out our previous episodes:

Falun Gong 1

https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-283-gong-81457652

Falun Gong 2

https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-284-gong-81692584

Falun Gong 3

https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-286-gong-81973328

Falun Gong 3.5

https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-288-gong-82335095?l=es

Freakanomics

https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-134-47100466

Haters and Losers

https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-317-and-88759543

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Noah

Another absolute banger.

Ryan Fox

Have a wonderful day everyone

ZeeBee

I was reading Patrick Redford's article on Defector about this and he gave a shout out to the Falun Gong series you guys did.

Baked B

Epoch Times simply comed too bigly and the establishment had to shut it down!

NYCM&AHole

Sounds like the fallen gong

Viro Mia

I like how mad Yung Chomsky sounded when Brace didn't get the leaning forward meme

Mark Owen

I hope American Thought Leaders has an AI-generated Casey Kasem voice to do the interviews.

gcmmv

montreal mentioned

Peanut Horse

Not surprised the gong has been removed. Is nothing sacred anymore?

ResilientBastard

Inside you there are two wolves; one reading the Epoch Times and one reading China Daily, both chainsmoking Zhongnanhai cigs

Andy Adolphson

TrueAnon coin coming to pump.fun soon

Alex Leo Swenson

brutal to hear the words "claws of the red dragon" in a gongless episode

K

It's so crazy how quickly big they came!

NYCM&AHole

And the end of an epoch

Bunghole man

It’s pronounced epoch times

Tryg

Gong is Woke

Nikola Biliš

Not listening to this until you rerecord it with a gong

Peanut Horse

I’m still holding GME because I have no idea when to sell, it feels like a never ending cycle of pump and dump lol, and like looking at the Tesla stock, these cultists make me money

Tryg

Is that E, as in 'Eh', or E as in 'EEE'? You say Eh-pock, I say Eee-pock?

Cale

I haven’t listened to this episode yet but I doubt they grasp some fundamentals of what’s going on with GME, considering no one really does. It’s not a pump and dump in a traditional sense that’s apparent

Lewis

liz doesn't understand option premium

Brian Ward

I wish I had someone in my corner the way Liz has Yung Chomsky. He backs her to the hilt even when she's describing a meme/image the way a blind guy who'd only heard of it second hand would

Lewis

They don’t understand it. DFV is for the people

Alex C

In regards to pronunciation, Biden just tasked his Interspatial Court of Eras (ICE) with getting everyone on the same page. ICE has taken detentionary measures to ensure it's pronounced epoch

Peanut Horse

It really is weird, the contracts and over-leverage is what sets it apart from a crypto pump and dump, and because it has caught enough momentum from random people that see it as meme pump and dump, it just further’s people’s confidence. I’m just glad I bought shares all those years ago and not calls like some dumbasses are doing lol

Lewis

With calls don’t have to buy the shares you can collect the premium and we don’t know when he opened the position so we don’t know how much he paid for the calls.

Gabe P

Dangerous Nights at Epic Times

Selecao9

"How big they were be able t- they were able to cum that quickly" "Pause. What?"

CL

They aren’t making you money unless you sell though

Alex

test your might

Johan Stefonski

Liz's deep commitment to the rules-based capitalist order is kind of charming but mostly weird. Like, i never hear leftists talk about capitalism so fondly.

CJ

Know your enemy!

TrueAnonPod

people have traced when he potentially bought the contracts and for how much — they were somewhat ITM but not by much. ofc you don't have to excercise, my point is that it would be extremely funny if he did

Lewis

as of now, he's doubled his money

Samir Knox

I find it really funny that they’ve had three pretty major job postings for reporters on a journalism job board that they seem to have continually reposted since the start of the year. They either haven’t found anyone to fill them or never wanted to. Also saw a billboard for them in Denver/Boulder area that looked like it was made in MSPaint

Felix

When my partner and I visited Montreal, we dined at this high end restaurant and each got wasted off 9 glasses of wine. After dinner we went to Chinatown and ended up at this weird karaoke bar that had porn videos and almost every song was in Mandarin or Japanese so we ended up singing Creed and Cat Stevens. After karaoke, we were stumbling about Chinatown at 2am in a drunken stupor when I saw the Epoch Times headquarters. I thought at first I was hallucinating because I was so sauced but no, it was real, and I had to get a picture underneath the sign as proof to myself in the morning. I then proceeded to profusely vomit right in front of the door of the building. Thank you Montreal for an unforgettable night.

Mop

Of course communist prisons allow polycule conjugal visits to record podcasts.

Dan

A Q-Anon guy handed me a leaflet with a bunch of links on it, and a few of them were to the Epoch Times.

Aaron Landtree

Roaring kitty just posted a live stream for tomorrow. 🤔

Justin Hubbard

A lot of the people into GME rn basically intend to never sell, just accumulate more and more shares. Not totally sure to what end. Many are also strangely optimistic about a possible GME future as a huge holding company like BH. I have 4 shares from back then and I have no clue what to do with them lol all of this shit is fake and stupid

Aiden

At last!

VenomdP

Roaring kitty scheduled a Livestream for tomorrow morning... Very intriguing. I still have 20 shares, so maybe I'll become a millionaire and can afford more patreons subscriptions

Shadowil

Can someone link to the meme mentioned around 45:00? I'm losing my mind

kaicycle

epic bacon times

Robert

Lizard, you are missing this one.

Robert

I’m sitting on a gravel road packing a J screaming at you. You are dead wrong about this. lol. Love you 💋

jrab

Zadrozny is absolutely a Polish name

Shiv

“…trying to figure out what race this…brother? perhaps? is? but maybe not! maybe hermano?” Brace i’m crying laughing at the accuracy of how white ppl thought bubbles when looking at me

Shiv

i got it right away but i also had seen liv agar post it perhaps seconds prior

Brendan Garcia

How Yung Chomsky going to miss the R.E.M. drop when they’re talking radio free Europe?

Brian Long

“Screaming Pussy” made me choke lmaoooo

Natalie

this was an epoch episode

Antipaganda

I have a perfect solution to your ending conundrum. Pump and dump the Epoch Times.

Natalie

a story update I wouldn't know about without the episode you're welcome!

ploob

Whoa you guys are linking actual episodes in the descriptions neow? Tubular

CE

Ok not your fault for getting it wrong because almost everyone in the media outside of East Asia gets it wrong constantly but this one is not really that hard: if you just very naturally say “she gene ping” you are 95% there. There is no French-like “djee” or “djuh” in Mandarin even though people in media have been doing one for decades. (Sorry!)

dopamean

Liz has never sounded less like she knew what she was talking about wrt finance than she did in this episode.

Nick

I watched the Game Stop movie on a plane :-/

Danny

great synths on this one

Sean Carton

I have been pumped and dumped so many times, that when I walk in the bar they all shout “yo! Game stop!”

zeeee - Generation Chill

I had no idea epic was one of the 3 or 4 common pronunciations of epoch until I learned that's how the Epoch Times says it

zeeee - Generation Chill

Epoch can be pronounced like 4 ways in US English, it's insane: /ˈɛp.ək/, /ˈɛpˌɑk/, /ˈiˌpɑk/, /ˈeɪˌpɑk/, or "epic" "EH-pahk" "EE-pahk" or "AY-pahk"

Khemith

Epuc Shakur.

Alexandre Chevalier

Époque Times - 1099 Clark St, Montreal, Quebec H2Z 1K3, Canada

Alexandre Chevalier

First place I thought of when I just heard about the Montréal connection… see top!

AfroCommie

I'm glad the gong wasn't worthy of hitting after the poem

kmd

DSA, famous for their ability to work with others

Patrick Cleary

matt levine actually has a really nice voice if you listen to the money stuff podcast

L

holy shit ottawa citizen shoutout

AJ

Brace wasn't locked in

ploob

Light them on fire

snapplepeachtea

is there a falun gong equivalent in china, like are there Branch Davidians living in shanghai who write newsletters about how americans eat squirrels or something

Melissa

I have read almost all of the internet and I have never seen this meme

shampooflasks

yo- respect- but the veil is not gone lol. like, it's still 2004 in 40 to 45 states..

Stanley Schultz

How has no one made a Kingpin reference with the pump and dump?

Cameron Young

The masters tools bought me this house

Cameron Young

The ones outside of Sacramento show real commitment to primary colors

Cameron Young

Liz’s disdain for the redditification of the investing world is powerful, it appears this will be with us for some time - it’s just too fun to post- more VCs will wanna be roaring kitty or own / stake a roaring kitty. Should we just create an AI now that executes high frequency trades and batshit memes them to death on X the everything app?

Azwaw Medkour

I used to live with an old Chinese woman who I believe was high up in the Falun Gong. My first day renting a room in the house she lived in, I saw the Swastika looking poster in her room as I entered. One day I woke up and walked downstairs into the living room and I could barely see the floor as it was covered in tote bags full of rolled up newspapers from The Epoch Times. I have other strange stories but that one takes the cake.

M Mmd

You wanna know what's wild? I was denied unemployment when the circumstances were completely legit.. yet people can commit mass unemployment fraud and the govt just hands the money out. It's almost like our system was built to plunder wealth from the people who actually make that wealth possible. 🤔

Myrmec

Episode 349: Liz Defends Hedge Funds From Memelords

Myrmec

This whole thing is a silly premise. The entire stock market is just a poker table and should be treated as such. Every post, every trade, every product announcement, every financial publication, Jim Cramer etc etc etc it’s all tells/market manipulation. It’s a casino where to even speak about it is to effect the outcome. Whether or not you think a market like that should be legal is up for debate, but there is no right vs wrong here

Butternut Squash

if brace did a stand up special it would be called “vaguely racial”

Alec

Liz is tired of seeing GME posts on her Reddit front page because she is secretly a Redditor.

aficionado

used to use ultrasurf to play games on my middle schools chromebooks lol

AbeLinkin

I think that the GameStop guy Keith Gill is just a fall guy. There’s a lot of weird activity/manipulation happening in the market right now. I follow a couple shitty solar penny stock companies that definitely aren’t meme stocks that are experiencing the same trajectories with these massive volatile swings. One of the companies swung up around 90,000% back in late 2020 / early 2021. In recent weeks, for the first time since early 2021, it has spiked around 200%. Something fishy is going on across the market and I think that this GameStop guy is just a scapegoat or face of something that is happening to distract people from something else going on. Idk what the hell is happening but it’s not just meme stocks.

S. Walker

Unrelated to this ep or this Billy (Billy G), I was prompted to search for ‘fyre fest’ - too many years later ofc and irrelevant - bc I met one of his cohorts last night on a boat upstate (say it with me.) I learned that Billy McFarland made a podcast from HIS prison cell and seems he plans to do FYRE 2.0. Wonder if this fool deserves an ep. Did u already do a fyre ep?? Forgive me if so and lmk know how to atone and show me the way yo

Curtis Bathurst

Thank you so much for this powerful poem Liz. And thank you as well Brace, for other stuff.

Randy Hendrickson

Actual headquarters is in upstate NY. Interesting that they have jumped the border...

Seth White

If I should do the opposite of what Jim Cramer, as Liz suggests, should I buy $GME?

Porpoise

I went back and listened to the rest of the episodes because I am a relatively new listener. I was recently unemployed after getting laid off when my old company got bought. During that time I interviewed for a Job at a fuel company In Buffalo in March 2024 because unemployment pointed me in that direction and I was desperate and it was solid pay. While I was in the waiting room i skimmed a brochure and chuckled because it said "Learn about China before Communism" and it had the same photo of that girl that you have on your first Falun Gong episode. You guys explained so much shit to me. I never got hired and I got the weirdest vibes during the interview. At one point during the interview they said "we had some ideological issues during covid and we have to rebuild a solid team." Strangest interview I have ever had. love the pod have a nice day yall.

sne

live shows soon plz <3 gr8 ep

Dean Watson

That’s how you pronounce it Liz

Timothy

"Proxy Wolf of Wall Street 2: Pennies Going in Raw," in theaters July 2025

Rodrigo Burigo

i cant believe liz and young chomsky planted the chair meme on the internet just to gaslight brace and us the viewers

Reece Coren

loved when liz hit brace with the pause

NostromoDreams

Yeah, this was a bit disappointing to hear. Especially when they are supposed to be a conspiracy investigation podcast, and she just down right calls it annoying...that was silly. Hey Liz, you should reach out to Ian Carrol on Twitter, he has really great breakdown of what's been going on with GME and the rest of the stock market since bain capital and citadel learned the magic of cellar boxing companies to short them into bankruptcy and not have to pay back their shorts; profiting majorly off the working class.