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Episode 393: Lawyers, Guns, and Tummies: Tribal Thumb Pt. 2 (Patreon)

Published:
2024-07-19 13:10:34
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2024-10-11 00:15:11
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2026-06
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Part two of our discussion of Tribal Thumb, the obscure 1970s radical group in the Bay Area with eerie parallels to the Manson Family & the SLA. Matt and Matt from Left in the Bay join us to talk about the radical energy percolating through California in the 1970s and the twists and turns of the Symbionese Liberation Army saga.

Clip at start from Patty Hearst (1988) directed by Paul Schrader

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Rob

Second

Emma

You guys gotta stop it with the ketamine slander, it's a good drug

Louise Duke

I never expected a Manics reference on TrueAnon!

Mawiener

Where is that clip in the beginning from?

J

First!

Noah Mingus

I am so happy that you three have been continuously making episodes. This show is near to my heart.

Mark Owen

Props for the June Cleaver Airplane clip.

Antipaganda

I know, I'm a hooplehead...

Alex

Steven Weed sounds like the name of a hardware store

jrab

Can’t stop thinking about the Drunk History with Kristen Wiig as Patty and Terry Crews as Defreeze

ResilientBastard

Only 13 min in so maybe this does come up — but Brace and Liz have you read any Ishmael Reed?

Isaac Suárez

Great series! I love the in-depth narrative- the best topics require a great deal of context (and it doesn’t hurt that the background and context are, in and of themselves, super interesting.)

Sharon

Guys help - I'm new to true anon and love but overwhelmed where to start? I also want to deep dive / start from the beginning on Epstein but where do I start??

Shfifty_five

Definitely worrb checking out the Ghost Stories at the End of the World episodes on the SLA and how the counterculture became a fever dream.

Claire Simon

I’ve stayed in the Madonna Inn cave room and my fave part is the mini waterfall/stream that is the bathroom sink (the toilet is regular sadly)

бог-белка

Loved this episode series, seconding the Patty Hearst movie recommendation. Maybe follow it up with Schrader's Mishima if you want some more in the same vein of failed political action carried out by deranged nutters.

CJ

I had to go to Vacaville to pick up a big ass mirror for my wedding and YEEEAH I would have to be on K in order to spend any time there

Shiv

anybody else feeling kind of soothed by hearing about how crazy the mid-70s were in the face of how crazy the mid-20s are shaping up to be? or are my meds just working

Inertial Observer

Tribal Thumb sounds like a bad parody of Primal Scream

Aidan

no bs I was sitting at the quintara/19th bus stop waiting for the 28 at the moment you mentioned the flower store. All I had to do was look up lol very insane timing

GolfBaller

Context is literally everything

Michael S. Judge

ever since I heard the name "Tribal Thumb," I've been using both hands to do thumbs-down on each side of my dick and saying "Three thumbs down"

Michael S. Judge

Who knows what Colston Westbrook personally did, but I'm pretty sure he was the nominal contractor for the actual Vietnamese secret prison/torture/murder facilities that had to be built in secret for the Phoenix Program. You can find documentary footage of the ones that still exist. Horrifying little places

Michael S. Judge

I can't remember their names, but 2 of the white people in the SLA were a married couple that had ambitions of taking over from DeFreeze/Mtume, and I'm pretty sure they're the 2 most annoying people I've ever had to read about or listen to. Like they would tell black people to "act more black" in painstaking detail

Michael S. Judge

Bill & Emily Harris, that's right. Unbelievably shitty

Johnny S.

Or a jazz fusion band

Sam

Anyone have any books / podcasts / other materials they recommend about the cia Vacaville / Atascadero connections? Ty :$

Ava

I met Bill Harris at my ex boyfriends sisters bday party like 6 yrs ago in portola. I was 18 at the time and had never heard of the SLA so i was like “whoa cool” lol

Tammy

Social media has succeeded the “grooviest” bank camera in town for influencers these days, for better or for worse.

Tammy

I’m guessing Michael S. Judge who commented below might have talked about it, I really enjoy their work. And also Recluse, The Farm?

Tammy

lol 23 words in that comment.

snapplepeachtea

between this and comrade bala and the cultural revolution, a pattern of maoism driving people insane emerges

Philippe Duhart

Incredible story. The seventies were so much more fascinating than the sixties. So many parallels with events in Germany, Italy, and Spain. All states with fascist pasts. Weird.

Jabroni Ludd

Liz is first Brace is worst Patty Hearst heard the burst of Yung Chomski’s gun and bbbaaaawwwwtt iiittttttt

Emry

Guys…it’s a PARTY RN WAKE UP!

danny

rec for a good book on patty hearst saga?

Tim

Dunno about a book but I watched a good doc last night called Guerrilla - The Taking Of Patty Hearst

Trevor Wookfield

What should I be reading by Jessica Mitford?

Rengalthbert McCruthersby

The food is also fucking good and the waterfall urinal he mentions is in the restaurant bathroom

Natalie

heyyyyyyy hi hey lol

Shfifty_five

Ghost Stories For The End of The World.

Zach

Is this episode not playing for anybody else? I keep getting an error but other episodes are playing. Relistened to the dog episode bc this one wouldn’t load

K H

The airlines may have thwarted our habibis again.

D

I don’t want to turn this chat into an annoying “Chapo slop” thread but… guys a prez had an assassination attempt and an incumbent dropped out and we have been deprived of Liz’s incredible, salient thoughts on the matter for a week and a half now.

Tammy

🫡gotta listen! Thank you

Natalie

its working for me! maybe try downloading the ep to your computer and opening the file like that or doing the rss feed thing

Natalie

autocorrect beat your ass on this one

AfroCommie

guys, I love you <3 but if you're on a summer schedule, let us know so I can throw my monday and thursday expectations of a new ep in the bin (it's okay, you deserve a summer break)

CC

I really haven’t looked forward to an ep this badly since the Ghislaine trial

foothead

but these last two episodes are incredible. i have like 5 new books to read.

csbrennan31

The situation is dire right now :( I'm sure you're all busy and taking time to organize thoughts but I feel at least an emergency response drop was called for in this situation

tyler

just watched Patty Hearst for the first time yesterday. Schrader is the man

Alec Armstrong

First episode on soundcloud was 5 years ago today, congrats on half a decade

Hugo

Tweaking here

Wojtek

I'm going through withdrawals

CC

Team… this is getting outrageous

Sean

it’s literally an evil drug an alien from another solar system would bring to earth in a PKD novel

Emma

come to Europe and learn how to do it the fun way 🐴🌀

CC

Brace saying the Madonna inn is the coolest place ever is certified rockabilly

Roger Peet

This makes me recall the theory of the "encapsulated gang" , the idea that federal authorities would have a degree of total access and influence over a radical group (either through the leader or several members) and use that access to map the underground as the group moved around and acted.

LOAF

Finally getting to catch up on the Tribal Thumb saga. Sadly our castles near famous inns are rapidly disappearing in the Central Coast. Knapp's Castle near Cold Creek Tavern and Nitt Witt Ridge, the castle made of trash in Cambria, are no longer open to the public.

Wiley Michelle B

These are so epic. What a worthwhile series! I can't believe I grew up in the Bay area and didn't learn about any of this except in passing.

Jonica Stewart

Can yall investigate Josh Shapiro and the "suicide" of Ellen Greenburg?

Michael S. Judge

Honestly I don't think there's much investigation needed. You wanna be a Clinton Democrat, covering up a murder is like being jumped in

Reece Coren

this sounds like at an-home version of Gladio

Reece Coren

worked at the new times the last two months and now i feel the same way about san luis obispo

Reece Coren

omg i’m in mustang village right next to the madonna inn