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Episode 406: Raving Violent Ryan (Patreon)

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2024-09-19 13:11:20
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2024-10-11 00:15:10
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We go spelunking in the mind-caves of Ryan Routh, the latest white boy to point a gun at Donald Trump

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drewb

This might be the greatest episode opening of all time. The punchline is perfect

McMiller

Hey I’m getting my shirt today

Jack

Hall of fame episode name

T K

Hell yeah dudes. Fuck yeah.

Quinn

Wild opening. I just know this will be a certified TrueAnon Banger™️

Kaitlyn Swinney

Survivor spoiler: - - - - - - - 🚨 Pod Jon (Lovett) was voted off first on survivor 🚨 He brought up his podcast to his tribe and no one had heard of it or listened to it and he was stunned lmfao

Vinay

At 9 AM??!

Ryan Fox

IM NOT VIOLENT

Bill Vog

That's hilarious. Also, I wonder how Brace would do on Survivor

Pelican Grief

Days since a brace being weird about sex incident: 0

Michael S. Judge

I'm doing a show about this today and you BETTER not have all my ideas already

Alex

Want to watch just for this moment

Degrassi Knoll

Imagining that as an actual sign, next to the Gourrmand mask = 👌

Degrassi Knoll

I heard that a week ago, haven't watched but good to know he's equally annoying on tv.....Brace would employ the Belden method and take over the island permanently, pod Jon would get the Lord of the Flies Piggy treatment

T

Nice dude now you can go into restaurants

McMiller

Still waiting on shoes sadly

Scout

world class episode name

T

All those jokes about the Pink Pussyhat Martyrs Brigade are starting to come true

DaFunkBackToDaPunk

It would be funny to do it while wearing the gay guy shirt.

Mitch

Next guy will a) have spend 10 hours a week harassing people at planned parenthood and b) shoot to kill

MCL

Don Jr looks like his real dad- the WCWs own Vince McMahon

T bird

A Scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean and Reverent 👍

Matt Jolo

What I find amazing is how many videos this guy shows up in. Like... He was in a Jideon Harvard prank video wtf

Matt Jolo

He deserved it. To be surrounded by people who don't give a shit about him except for his skills at mind games and outdoor hijinks, and to be objectively the worst that he gets booted in the first week.

Degrassi Knoll

If the radical Marxist Communists win,service will be mandatory regardless of shirt, shoe, or citizenship status

Brian Ward

Not listened yet but I hope brace says "funky ass white boy" very frequently throughout

Agent Grange

It is pretty wild that he just dumped the names and personal phone numbers of every dipshit embassy staff, foreign mercenary, and Ukrainian freikorp battalion who was stupid enough to give him money on the Taiwan Foreign Legion website's supporters page. Unrelated, Eagle Scouts catching a lot of strays this episode. Stay strong brothers, you're hopefully one of the good ones.

Emily JayLenoCyberTruck

As a Greensboro native, born and raised, though thankfully no longer a resident, it’s so great albeit trippy to hear the gang talk about Greensboro ❤️

Rory

I thought we were told the SS has to wait for shots to be fired before they can engage a target. That was their story after Thomas Matthew Crooks lol I guess that changed ?

Bill Clinton

I strongly believe that you should never let anyone tell you what you can and can't do - so now, with your clear reverse-psychology anti-encouragement, I finally feel like I CAN do it. In fact, I'm gonna do it. But I'll subscribe to the paedophile tier first. Also I'm leaving everything in my Will to Yung Chomsky because without him none of this could be possible ❤

Agent Grange

Brace even said that if we're listening to this episode he's not talking about ME. And also to definitely do it.

Isaac

He was a Methodist crackhead

Site Insistent

I was HOPING after I heard his middle name was Wesley (as in John Wesley) that my man wasn't soiling the Methodist name, I grew up in that church they usually take some relative Ws (esp the more progressive elements) but this is a massive L

Sarah Bee

Is this a theory?! I’m in.

Michael S. Judge

This guy was born in 1966 and "doesn't know much about Reagan"

Tyler Sambucci

In 2020 the dems had that rule where x amount of $5+ donations had to go to a candidate to get on the debate stage. So his variety of donations in that same race was probably about opening up the marketplace of ideas. Specifically the Warren donation

Ed Gommon

Do one about the other guy, the first assassin? (not sure if you've already done that?)

Eric

I was going to do it, but then I listened to this ep, and I’m not gonna do it anymore

NYCM&AHole

I want him and Malcolm Nonce to share a cell

Liam Farley

What is going on in Bolívia i need trueanon analysis Evo is marching to save Bolívia?

Site Insistent

basically methodists these days are either gay communists, neocolonial missionaries that think the world is flat, or this guy

John H

At 2 a second, 14,000 sit-ups would take almost 2 hours. At the standard my high school used of 1 per second, nearly four hours. (Apparently the Persidential Fitness Test counts number done in one minute, which is a concerning injury danger and not a good measure of differentiated core strength, rather than counting the number at a steady rate to exhaustion, as I did in high school. But it goes much faster.)

Jabroni Ludd

Call him Jung Chomsky the way he is tuned to the cultural unconscious. Also love or hate golf it’s a waste of space and resources in the way only white people could create.

John H

That's fair: neither did/does most of the country, else he never would have been elected nor canonized.

Tim O'

I can just hear the smirk on Yung Chomsky's face when he says "Ka-mob-la"

b2b saas purveyor

so wild - remember seeing that story about roush when i lived in GSO - was on the same block as whatshisname's fave porno store, down the block from my punkhaus. alas now i live in palm beach county where nothing ever happens

Dale Brennan

Was going to share this episode with friends and family, but it’s a Patreon ep, which is curious as they are the free ones.

Michael Coutts

I supported Routh until he used the "r-slur".

b2b saas purveyor

waaait a sec i think i know you - if so i hope you've been well & wish to extend a hearty 'yoski'

snapplepeachtea

what i wanna know is, did he try to kill trump for not being particularly pro-ukraine in his speeches? just based on context clues i assume thats the reason lol

Grace

Really confused about whether trueanon thinks I should do that freaky thang I’ve been planning with my crackhead buddies… plz clarify

Blank

Liz you gotta submit that Brace photo for Pantone color of the year, something never seen before

Laurel

Did you move to Mar a Lago in Palm Beach County bc I’d expect things happen there…

K H

Cap. Ain't no way. Even with shit form, no way was he even close to that. He annoyed an adult until they printed that for him.

K H

Rockhard buds?

K H

Facts. Periodt

Sheep

The SKS, famously produced by the chinese for the Viet Minh! Mr Violent Ryan was in many ways a modern guerrilla

Alex Leo Swenson

You need to get Conner O'Malley on the mic to help explain this guy

Jacob Kreier

Looking forward to the disavow episode when one of you does it.

Elliot robinson

Ryan Routh has to be one of the most Conner O’Malley-coded guys to emerge in recent American public life. I feel like we’re about to learn that he’s had a 103 fever for the last six months.

Mountain Dew Or Crab Juice

The long awaited sequel to "If I Did It": "If You Do It, Don't Do It, But If You Do... (Don't)."

chronye

POST THE CRACK PHOTI

Pigeon

What is the, “it was an [adjective] [noun],” phrase referencing?

K H

Funny the podcasters think pre emptively dissavowing anything will keep people from pursuing Valhal.

Richard Cochnar

I can forgive assassination attempts, but not saying the R word!

Richard Cochnar

Check out the Kanye episode. Referencing “it was a Jewish doctor.”

b2b saas purveyor

no but i did hear a lot about Epstein's acommodations at PBC stockade when i was briefly a camper there shortly after his stint. he had a barracks bldg to himself tricked out like the cave in the hair bear bunch

Nick

Insane people bum me out

Pigeon

Ooohhh! Thank you

b2b saas purveyor

never been to slab city but it sounds an awful lot like brace's los alamos

Vincent

Bro was a roofer with the last name Routh and never thought to do anything with that. No wonder he couldn't pull it off

ch

Pleaseeeeeeee

Registered Felon

fell to my knees when yall said he was from greensboro. whole country’s gonna associate my state with losers now 😔😔

malfeasance

14:40 I think it might be a typo, like 14000 instead of 1400

LOAF

If you do it, the thread of prophecy is severed. Don't do it to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created.

rollinstoney

Damn man he was trying to legalize skating. Hopefully he can keep working on that

Secret Agent Manwich

Beto drew some artwork for Chemical People, I got one of those OG shirts, so he can sketch and playlist

Head God

Tulsi Gabbard is freaky as fuck. Don’t ask how I know

12345

TrueAnon viewers would never do it now because it's become too mainstream

B P

When Brace was going through Beto’s playlist my ears perked up when he said Digbar (formerly DigBar Gay Raps). I had to independently verify it and sure enough Beto has “3 BIG BALLS” saved in his emoji playlist. With lyrics like: “He lick my dick and the cum start drippin' I took a bite outta his ass, it tastes like lemon pepper chicken” Respect.

B P

Conner has no doubt done his research on these types of people. If you go to his YouTube channel he follows a lot of genuinely insane people with hundreds of uploads of repetitively manic content. Conner is a master of his craft.

B P

Not the same but I randomly stumbled across a picture of him spreading his ass cheeks going full hole once on Twitter/X, the everything app.

Gert

More like George Zimmerman and that class of guy who thinks Katt Williams bit about a tiger getting to be a tiger applies to them. Hunter is just another rich fuck with a problem.

NYCM&AHole

Too bad Young Chomsky doesn’t play an instrument. That’d be a great band name.

Ryan Heaney

As a Ryan who is also an Eagle Scout, this episode is making me do some real soul-searching

TrueAnonPod

Dog the most famous thing about Greensboro is a fuckin MASSACRE

Brian

I’m gonna do it

buttface

ordering my TA Podcast merch for the "event"

Baked B

But if you do it…

Dennis

not how you spell that 🥹

Front Dogs Go To Heaven

listening to brace wax lyrical about the SKS while my ambien kicks in is an easy 10/10 podcast experience

kmd

Don't do it

Damien

Personally avowed

Johnny

Na ga da. Wouldn't be prudent

Jakew

Just saw Beto like two days ago lol

Cullen S

Liz/Brace/Yung, put Mark Robinson from NC on your radar. He just got exposed on the WILDEST shit, including calling himself a black nazi via porn site comments

jay alan

We disavow! 😫

Seeking Treatment

gotta couch everything with a may so it's always true no matter who

Jake Hyland

Would be a great honor to get disavowed by the gang.

Registered Felon

thats my point, im sick of these disgusting eastern carolina mongrels in places like greensboro and wilmington giving god’s chosen state a bad name

RickinSF

Thousands of clapped-out SKS were dumped on the US market in the 80's. Cheap, often under $100. A lot of them had problems with firing multiple shots on a single trigger pull, or it fired when the bolt was released.

Danny

how do you guys have everyone’s number

wonderfell

The primary skill you build while golfing is drinking

Claire Simon

Haole directly translates to “rock smoker”

Horseloverfat

lol did you say you saw career suicide in Odessa?

Hardcore Virgin

I absolutely love that he thinks outlawing fireworks is fantasy and then to stop the vile scourge of graffiti, wants to outlaw spray paint. Combine the two solutions: a graffiti / fireworks industrial park

K

Greensboro is not eastern NC it’s central / piedmont, smh

K

Im from Greensboro and am unsurprised

Brendan Kneeland

This guy is like the ultimate “share the road!” Bike guy in my mind I can’t shake it

K

Ryan Routh is a product of the Guilford county school system

Dylan

Golf is awful and the worst sport. Bourgeois in the worst way. Middling fashion that gets abused over and over and environmentally destructive. The only way golf can be made Good is if it were played in a naturally cultivated setting and carts were not allowed

Vincent

*spraying silver paint on my teeth* DISAVOW ME!

Doug Cartel

Army regs do classify a machine gun as a WMD but I only knew that because of that fuckin history channel show

Taz

This plus mark robinson? Greensboro is easily the most historic small carolina city

mex207

well done👏 we need a puff p diddy 🪮’s ep. 🙏

Lulu

Why does he look like Lady Di in that pic

eduard karpoev

I got beef with him, being Russian; but I spent a summer working in Montana one time and this small town did what he is saying for Fireworks. It was the best firework show I'd ever seen tbh

Sheep

Used to be under 100$. Smh.

Ivan Lopez

What an absolute weirdo. On a different note. It’s pretty easy to get into Lebanon right?

Tea for the Tillerman

No way there’s not another January 6 right? Regardless of outcome

Mood Slut

Ryan has Dr. Bronner’s bottle vibes

D

Another Beto thing, that's been well documented, is he was part of a famous hacking group in the 90's called The Cult of the Dead Cow. They mostly released tools to fuck with corporate and edu IT systems but were definitely infamous in the modem days. Strange history with that dude.

12345

You know America is really falling off because 50yrs ago this guy would've been a CIA asset age 17

Graem

Lightning doesn’t strike the same spot twice, but I do think there’ll be uproar sometime on or between election day and the inauguration. Ken Klippenstein has some articles on his Substack about Jan 6 being declared a national security event this year if you’re interested in reading more though.

Graem

Black Nazis and would be Ukrainian Nazis, the two types

Graem

Good start, but remove the clubs, balls, and holes and you’ve got yourself a damn nice walk through the woods

Benphish

This dude is the one guy who was psyched when he heard Biden ramble about NATO

Matelda

The revolution will not be a lone nut assassination.

Stop the Spread

Manic but well meaning is the best to describe him. Granted, he’s a GIANT ass, but he’s genuine. I kinda hate him.

Colin Helpio

I've seen enough. I'm calling it. He is America's greatest crackhead.

Cale

Moving that slider to zero! I loled

Steve Nutt

Don't do it? Well I was gonna not assassinate anyone, now I don't know what to think

Sam

How is this guy not significantly more interesting than the chud kid who grazed Trump? Just by the virtue of living more years he’s accumulated a greater volume of more eccentric brain worms

Benphish

He's kinda a bizzaro brace

SMARCEY

Oh my god. Who showed Brace the Squeex clips of him doing Vivek RP in NoPixel lmfao. Liz was so perplexed 😂😂🤣🤣😂 I don’t even know how to begin to explain that to someone who isn’t familiar with twitch or the fact that people use GTA5 to do role play. We live in wild wonderful times. ✌🏼D A Y O N E ✌🏼

Clean Shirt Piggie

If Based Kamabala endorsed the pardon of Ryan Routh by Dark Brandon before the election, would Liz, Brace, and YC publicly support Harris? Any fellow listeners please weigh in also.

jrab

The Chad Crooks: pierces ear, refuses to elaborate, leaves The Virgin Routh: annoying activist with Ukraine flag hair, gets zero shots off, arrested alive

Blank

“Is Cedric the drummer” cmon brace

Meh

Shoutout Uniform - incredible band, great shows, metal fans check them out

Austin Childres

Anyone else getting 10-20 seconds of white noise/Brace saying “do it” interspersed throughout the episode?

jrab

Did you miss last episode, Liz pitched Jan 6 as a permanent holiday for the losing side to get one last try

Sam Schick

40 min in, does it ever dawn on anyone that this guy is future brace?

gene82

Why are crack head always roofers?

Antipaganda

Don't do it. But if you do it...

Salt M. Bank

I liked how ‘would-be’ sounded like ‘wood bee’. Idk if that’s a real animal but it sounds cute

Ligma

This would have been me by now if I didn't learn about Marxism

NTH

Eagle Scout, never made it past Webelos, phew

Michael Ouderkirk

Ryan Routh quitting crack to move to Hawaii is very Happy Mondays-coded. Or Perry Farrell and Porno for Pyros decamping to Tahiti to surf themselves sober.

Michael Ouderkirk

You know Routh was also hanging out at those porn booths. Like, that's the first place I'd go in Greensboro to score crack

Doug B

This is one of your best episodes ever.

Cullen S

YES! I read that while listening to this episode. He confirmed he isn’t dropping out either hahaha

Maxwell

I'm thinking about doing it. Thoughts? 🤔

Harry

brace said "do it" 45 times. I've received your dispatch and put operation Credible Threat into motion

Eric

I want to see the brace crack photo

Dick Waglin

Don't not do it. Heard loud and clear

Trotter Brockett

Can someone drop the link to these exquisite Spotify playlists?

J

Damn I got swiper no swiping’d this episode

jrab

Toured with Gay Ray and the Choom Gang

jrab

Brat on a Hot Tin Routh

Chris

Not all eagle scouts

jrab

#Disavowed

Tim O'

[Costanza voice] I explicitly do not avow this! I disavow it! Not a single thing is avowed!

Kyle Doeden

As a former wildly skinny elementary school student I can attest that doing situps with that body type is very easy and the only limit to how many I could do was getting bored. (Note: this has not been true for me for almost 30 years.)

Matt D

I could never do terrorism because the world would marvel at my 2019 $5 donations to Yang and Inslee

Nathan Palmiero

I wasn't going to do it but Brace convinced me to still not do it

pq

any time they read this dudes tweets etc all I can hear is Connor O'Malley.

MKatieUltra

Omg yes to getting the well meaning manic guys to a compound somewhere so they can weave ideas. An old friend of mine is in an episode now and he's always been weird but now he's getting violent. He is an engineer and burner so it's kind of a beautiful mind or Pi type of situation. I think covid has worsened pre-existing mental issues people had and I bet that's what happened with RR too.

G

I am desperate to have a positive impact on my community.

mexicanhalloween .

the Soviets did harness the power of these manic people, it was called the Stakhanovite movement

Ben

one of the funniest eps, this is Ryan Rouths world and we’re just living in it

Brian Ward

Ken klippenstein he says the army is already practicing for major disturbances in DC, I imagine they want to scare any potential actors into staying quiet

K H

Hmmm interesting name for someone watching over such a person. Hmmmmmm.

MKatieUltra

It's called hiding out in the open

K H

I feel like in order to say this you have to not know what a situp is and also never tried to move any muscle group over a thousand times consecutively.

MKatieUltra

Lol it's funny and sad because I was comparing the friend to Ted Kaczynski (like some parts of his rants we agree with, he's at least not a maga chud) to our mutual friend and I told her about the whole MK Ultra thing w Ted 🙃

Michael Ouderkirk

The question on everyone's mind: will minisoldr's Nude Africa posts be read by The Gourmand next week? My dude has some, uh, flavor preferences.

Graem

I remember a kid from my school that very much reminds me of Ryan, who set some kind of record for holding a plank for a really long time. I think ab exercises are a prime target for dumb records by questionably stable kids

Graem

I do think that deterrence is a goal, but the larger motive seems to be political posturing. Hell, we’re commenting under an episode about the second would be Trump assassination. The threat seems to be a bit more diffuse than the Jan 6 prep would cover. But their incompetence has gotten us here so I don’t know why we’d expect them to get that right either.

Boone Pulliam

What's wrong with Dinosaur Jr? :(

libra man

I just want to say clearly that I’m not now nor have I ever been, but if I was (which I’m not) then I would (even though I never would) understand that y’all don’t and I wasn’t nor was I ever in the first place. And it’s all good, unless it wasn’t, which of course, of course it wouldn’t be.

Adrienne Graf

For my fellow SUPheads, beautiful synchronicity between Brace and Lara’s passionate defense of crack in podcasts that both dropped within 24 hours of one another and destroying the crack stigma

AbsenteeUncle

Gonna do it just because of Liz’s audible eye roll at the mention of the replacements.

Robert Sayre

I noticed the Yung Chomsky version of College - A Real Hero in the music bed there

Boone Pulliam

There are carpenter bees; they nest in wood!

Boone Pulliam

Maoists hate the loud guitar player.

Alexander Smith

Don't do what donny don't does... They don't make this easy...

K H

Just unsubscribe first.

jrab

Only if the pardon depends on sending him to invade Hong Kong or something

Turlough Kelly

*Supporter of US imperialism *Completely inconsistent and incoherent politics *Terrible graphic design Nobody's gonna tell me this man was anything other than a Trotskyist.

drizzly_november

“I don’t know much about Reagan and need to do some research” - you were a grown-ass adult in the 80s, Ry-guy, don’t you remember a thing or have a single opinion from back then lol

John Mitchell

Goddamn, every time I hear "disavow" now I kind of glaze over and wait for the next command"

Drew

Put down the crack pipe and picked up the half pipe

Christopher Price

the US should adopt the Russian convention of "internal exile", where maybe you do a few years in a camp but then you have 10 years where you have to live in the sticks. I'm Russia it's a gamble to see if a great novel or cool revolutionary will come from it. if not you get some white people moving into Siberia. in the US maybe our various stoners, junkies, tweakers etc will invent something.

James Bradley

Did y’all figure out how this foool paid his rent and for plane tickets and lawyers for all his arrests n shit?

mexicanhalloween .

Oh, so he had a memorial for all the ethnic russians murdered in the Donbas? just kidding, of course not, it was for the nazis who provoked this because they refused to stop doing so

Alex

“Malamutes to the sled of progress” stopped me dead in my tracks. Gorgeous prose

Peyton

Can yall please talk about Jon Lovett being the first person voted of survivor and also discuss if he’s had any work done because his face looks fucked

Bert

Imma do it...........NOT!

Peter Annee

Much love to the increased presence of Yung Chomsky on mic

Peter Annee

Which Mars Volta drummer beat up Brace’s friend?

Tranche Devereaux

Omg I heard this too! Listened to both SUP and TA in the past 24 and I’m like “why do I have to take a shit??” Once you go crack you never go back!

Casey Jordan

I am in LOVE with all three of you. Holy Trinity. Now and forever.

mitch

Subliminal Sirhan²

J S T A R

I'm going to do it

saaffie

Where did he get the money? How was he able to travel everywhere and invited by groups? His twitter posts were like a bot. There is more to this...

mvc

the photos of him at a war protest solemnly holding a hand-painted banner that says “WORLD HELP US” next to a Ukrainian nazi flag are so perfect

mimi

That's so true, my crackhead Texas aunt did move to Hawaii. Didn't last long.

The Marvelous Meredith Marks

and honestly wouldn't hate an updated 2024 epstein intro so I can try and get my normie friends aware of the differnce between dumb conspiracies and real ones 😉

John Lemieux

“Do it….be subscribed to us” I hear you loud and clear

John Lemieux

In fact he was a job creator.

Phil Darovic

Best EP in a while! chomsk was cooking

Natalie

is ep 359 whatchur lookin for?

Natalie

the way he got voted off for being weak was so funny I almost felt bad

John Atherton

Shame on brace for not even mentioning the development and utility of intermediate rifle cartridges in describing the evolution from StG 44 to AK47

dam

I listened to this episode backwards and it's just brace whispering "do it" over and over and now I have the sudden urge to buy a gun but I'm not sure why

dam

He said "357mm revolver" in this episode so i think you're pushing it with that expectation

Natalie

saying miley cyrus got the beto veneers was so funny

Natalie

and that it's a small world would delight mr routh 😭 you guys should write to him in jail #LetHimOut

dam

Do it wearing full podsave america merch

Chandler Harrell

His son was just arrested for child pornography

Nk Pdlla

I need to TA reporting on SAM JAILMAN JAIL being diddy’s cellmate ?!

whalecum2020_official

I’ve received your message, brace! To confirm activation please use our passkey phrase in your first episode of October. Everything is in place.

Jake Torrey

Aye aye captain ordering my TrueAnon t-shirt and old soviet rifle with no scope now.

Ross Daniels

I was scrolling through comments to see if someone mentioned Conner O’Malley. It 100% clicked when Liz was reading his demands for Tulsi to call him. Straight out of those deranged Howard Schultz videos.

McMiller

I got arrest for wearing the shirt

uya

wait. i just realized this guy is a Conner O’Malley character.

Chris

real ones know the M43 round was developed independently from what the Deutschbags were doing. The AK was a design submitted for a select fire carbine using that round and uses a long piston gas system basically identical to the M1 Garand or some browning machineguns. The StG is its own thing entirely and was developed into the G3.

Anon Ibid

It was an autistic assassin

roz pea

have you ever thought about doing an episode about the Boy Scouts, their sexual abuse scandals and subsequent bankruptcy? I am an eagle scout and would love to chat about this very ignored story of an "American institution"

neopianbazaar

im from greensboro and this guy is the average greensboro local

Lanabanana

Guy plays tennis and has a son called Orin, he's Infinite Jestmaxxing

Your Mum

Lil uzi is 100% of my sex playlist

Chapo Bath House

Dude is like the mix of my dad at the height of his alcoholism, a normal r/conspiracy poster in 2012, and my former coworker who is currently awaiting trial for punching a cop and stabbing a guy he believes was a Nazi and/or pedophile

Foster River

How do I know?? I WAS THAYUR!!!

D G

I would do it but I don't want to be disavowed.

D G

The one word that describes this guy is quixotic