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The Lord of the Rings Musical Disaster - Verily Podcasty - Ep 2 (Patreon)

Published:
2023-11-17 14:34:48
Edited:
2024-06-04 13:48:15
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2026-06
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The Lord of the Rings musical! The show which took "break a leg" to a whole new level! From singing Hobbits with massive bottoms to Elvish acrobats, tune in to the latest Patreon exclusive episode of Verily Podcasty to learn more about this very strange show!

Sources

"Break a leg: accident halts Tolkien musical" by Peter Walker, The Guardian

"Bring on the dancing hobbits" by Paul Arendt, The Guardian

"Inside the disastrous Lord of the Rings musical that crippled its cast" by Mirianka Swain, The Telegraph

"The Lord of the Rings: A Musical Tale review – the greatest show on Middle-earth" by Mark Lawson, The Guardian

2000’s London Version: Lothlorien - Lord of the Rings Musical (London Cast)

2023 Revival: The Lord of the Rings | The Watermill Theatre, Jul - Oct 2023, Youtube

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Bestlaf

"massive bottoms"? You had no right to call me out like that! 🤭

Virgo in Furs

Incredible timing, a treat for my flight 🧡✨️

Jules Inkwell

I got a little emotion towards the end. I wish we could perform our own folklore. Lord of the Rings is one of those stories that truly belongs to the people, not huge companies. It sounds like it was a wonderful little experience.

Alaiksandreis

Thank you for this! Once again something nice and informative to listen to and think about. I wanted to ask you, have you considered doing a video or podcast on the queer representation in Netflix´ The Fall of the House of Usher? I am interested to hear your analysis. :) Have a good weekend! :)

Verity Ritchie

Thanks, Alaiksandreis! We haven't even seen Fall of the House of Usher yet, so we shall have to wait and see!

Ruxandra Grecu

See? You don't have to worry about doing more Doctor Who content, cause I frankly am not that into Tolkien stuff, but I very much enjoyed listening to both of you chat about this! Am excited for the next one :P

Michelle Martin

Sounds like a wonderful production, I hope someone does that where I live someday! I'm with you in that Frodo & Sam feel somewhere between queerplatonic and romantic, but probs not sexual.

TheRealMima

To have a Finnish band involved makes perfect sence imo. Tolkien was very inspired by Finnish mythology and the Finnish language. Quenya is inspired by Finnish phonology and structure and he has also taken inspiration from the Epic poem Kalevala. I also think there's traces of Väinämöinen in both Tom Bombadill and in Gandalf. The songs which so many people complain about is probably inspired from Kalevala too and a bunch of other things also. There's a wikipedia page about Finnish influenses on Tolkien if anyone is interested. But to me it's very logical to involve a Finnish band in the musical since The Lord of the Rings wouldn't be the way it was if it weren't for Kalevala and the Finnish language.

TheRealMima

Also, I have a question about "English Theatre". What does that mean? In my language we tend to separate between theatre (mostly refering to stage plays) and musicals, but there doesn't seem to be that distinction in English. "Theatre kids" seem to mostly mean kids that like and are involved with musicals from what I've come to understand based on context. So what does Ada mean by "English Theatre"? (is it all english speaking stage performances, both plays and musicals? ... is it UK stage plays and musicals? What exactly defines "English Theatre"?) I also would like examples of things that aren't "English Theatre" and doesn't suffer from the problems mentioned in regards to "English Theatre". I'm just a bit confused and trying to make sence of the discussion. It would help to know what is "English Theatre" to know if it's a fair assesement. If someone says English Theatre I would assosiate it with the meaning of teater in my language ( stage plays ) and think of the place England or perhaps stage plays written by someone with English as their primary language. (But the discussion seem to be about musicals primarily)

TheRealMima

About A. R. Rahman, he has made a lot of songs for film musicals. His career spans decades and he has been very sucessful. It's at least more logical than the American rock star and American playwright making the Diana musical... and a fresher choice than to go with Andrew Lloyd Webber who has the criteria of being British and making musicals I guess. I usually avoid musicals that are "jukebox" musicals or based on films/franchises, so haven't gotten into this particular musical. It's not a hill to die on but I thought I detected some sarcasm when discussing the Indian and Finnish contributions to the show, which is a vibe that's to me feels very different than the usual vibe I get from you guys. It felt a bit reactionary to suggest it's weird that people that aren't British are involved in the musical. ( I'm dyslectic, English isn't my primary language and I don't have spellcheck installed on my computer yet, so spelling is probably horrendous, also sorry about separating into 3 comments, I don't know if it's possible to make space between different parts of the text otherwise)

Verity Ritchie

Ada: I'm Slovenian and Slovenia has a well developed, government-funded theatre scene so that's sort of my baseline that I'm used to seeing! When I said "English theatre" I literally just meant plays that I've seen in England/English productions. :)

Verity Ritchie

Ada: We weren't being sarcastic at all, I genuinely think that was an amazing and logical choice for a LORT musical composers!

Cici Carey-Stuart

I was already going to watch your new LoTR video today and then by the time I woke up 3 separate friends had sent it to me (I am predictable) so I watched it and then you said "on my patreon we have a podcast" and there was a background image of the Watermill council of Elrond and I blacked out and woke up here, signed up to your patreon and at the end of an hour of a lovely podcast. I have been obsessed with this musical since August and it's so interesting to hear your thoughts on it and lovely to listen to two people talk about how much they enjoyed this little theatre's shot at something beautiful. Sassy gay Elrond my absolute beloved, so glad you agree, Tom Giles the actor is non-binary and is currently producing a show called "No More Mr. Nice Gay", the icon. I have made an edit of Saruman Big Naturals with him and I just have to hope that they'll somehow come across it on tumblr because I'm not brave enough to send it to them. I've just liveblogged my reaction to this to the lotr musical discord so here's hoping I convince some of them to sign up to your patreon as well.

Nadi

So your head-cannon is that Sam and Frodo are queerplatonic? Lol Real talk, it's perfectly possible to have a romantic relationship without sex also.

Nadi

I'd love to hear you talk about theatre more often. I'm interested in getting into it myself as a writer. A professor at my university (who teaches a lot about theatre and is a critic) is planning to put together an initiative between Language Studies and Theatre courses next year and I'm honestly excited about it. It is certainly a special kind of storytelling that allows many freedoms you don't have otherwise.