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The Delta Flyers - Course Oblivion 518 Video (Patreon)

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The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Course Oblivion. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.

Course Oblivion:
Tom Paris and B'Elanna Torres get married, but their honeymoon is interrupted by a phenomenon that breaks down the molecular infrastructure of Voyager and the crew.

We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill

And a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, Brannon Braga, & Bryan Fuller

Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers:
Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Daniel de Rooy, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Kelly Brown, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey, Lori Tharpe, Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Dominique Weidle, Lisa Robinson, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Shambhavi Kadam, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Megan Chowning, Tae Phoenix, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Bronwen Duffield, Brandon May, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Jeremy Mcgraw, Jason Bonnett, Ian Ramsey, & Jack Fine

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You can check out the book, Classics …but make it gay, that Robbie talked about in the intro here: https://www.novaandmali.com/

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Comments

Tiffiny Lawrie

Getting caught up and watched the episode for this one today. Couldn't help but notice there was already rice on the floor before people start tossing it in the wedding scene 😆

Kathrine Rieger
>>86204436

i was waiting for this specifically. but i think it's because garett knows exactly which episode this is. he mentioned to robbie that he would tell him when this episode comes up and that it doesn't have a happy ending. the look on garett's face when he reads the netflix synopsis and that recognition of what they're about to watch is pretty priceless

Jen V

The flash mob thing was big in the first decade of the 2000s. Maybe still popular in the 2010s, but definitely out now.

Jen V
>>100321871

They forgot to clean up after the prior take, or they didn't think it would show!

Jen V
>>95033087

Yeah, you would think they would've stayed on the demon planet where they would've been just fine!

Jen V
>>91771235

That makes sense about the camera. I don't think Garrett and Robbie thought about that part.

Jen V
>>86131086

I caught that too, lol. I kept waiting for Garrett to correct Robbie!

Sailormarinero

The fact that Tom is addressed as Lieutenant Paris at the wedding should have given away that there was something off, shouldn't it? On the real Voyager he was still demoted to Ensign.

SnazzyO

This episode always makes me sad. Having said that, in the 10 months they existed, as others have pointed out, the good crew interacted with many planets and different species. I can choose to believe that somewhere Voyager runs into to one of those (as good crew was ahead of standard crew). In that way, they can have learned they existed. As for ‘does it matter’, I’d say ‘yes’. Tom and B’Elanna’s sentiments were likely very close to ‘real’ Tom and B’Elanna. Harry’s optimism held on til the end. So, we got insights into our characters even if they were goo. Now, once they learned they were goo, we still got some insights: Janeway was ‘never give up’ but had the ability to admit she was wrong Chakotay was a realist but supportive Limited Tuvok insights Tom as a pragmatist and sliding into depression once his ‘dream life’ is shattered - makes sense to me. Just look at his statements about the futility of continuing the letter to his father in ‘30 days’. Ultimately he finished, but he showed that slipping into nilhism would be in character. B’Elanna - spared from the existential crisis Harry - optimistic til the end Seven - pretty consistent. Doctor - it was the same program, of course it was consistent. Bottom Line: a character insight episode with a tragic end. I’ll head cannon that Voyager eventually runs into someone the good crew met.

Dee McGee

Voyager's saddest episode!

Don Eitner

The fate of The Goo Crew was summed up by the late Don Adams in five simple words. "Missed it by that much."

Leilani Craig

This is one of the ones that makes me cry every time.

Justin Rhoads

I finally caught up again! Now I feel like I can finally ask a question again in an active thread that I have been dying to ask over the last few podcasts.... Why is there so much looping? Thanks to Rebecca, Robbie explained what it is. But what I still don't understand is why is there so much of it? It seems like its something that is used in post production to fix a possible mistake or dialogue issue? But it seems like I hear about looping every episode. So my question becomes; why is there so much looping being done in each episode to achieve something that wasn't achieved in dialogue during filming? I only ask not to be critical but simply because I don't understand the process. Thanks!! =)

bakura

Oh dear, Robbie wants consistency for the next episode and the next episode is the fight.

kerry shiraki

one of my favorite episodes. I like that it ties into a previous episode I also loved.

Andrew Murray

timestamp 5:44: ".....get home to the DELTA quadrant..." ?? You mean ALPHA quadrant!

Andrew Murray

It's A USS Voyager, not THE USS Voyager that's in trouble

DogBlud

This episode was frustrating to me initially, but I appreciate the willingness to go for what is a uhh *extremely* high-octane topic. They swung straight for the existential philosophy of consciousness and identity and didn't give a damn that they only had 45 minutes to cover the width and breadth of it. You can see the seeds of it in there, and Tom was honestly the only character that was on the right track from the jump. Janeway is driven by a desire to go home, what is arguably one of her utmost defining traits when they hit the Class Y planet in Demon, and so her desire to cling to that imperative as a *statement* of self makes total sense to me. It's also interesting, because Tom absolutely accepted reality: they are not who they think they are, and that requires a contextual restructuring. Yes, what they thought they came from can mean something, but they don't have to follow the same path to be themselves. He got called out for his "crappy" attitude, but what about everyone else's? How is maintaining a genuinely harmful illusion any better than active nihilism? Self-actualization is hard, and there was a fascinating story worth telling about it here. Tom could have more effectively lead the charge in making Janeway concede only too late to follow the moral Robbie put forward; there could have been much more discussion about *why* go home, *why* does it matter. But talking heads are less interesting than actively *doing* things, so I get why they went the route they did, I just think it was a bad choice. It didn't tie into the broader theme which *is*, at its core is nothing less than identity, fate, and the very concept of consciousness.

Andrew Murray
>>86127683

Not from any sort of experience here just my opinion, but it's not necessarily about fixing a mistake with the dialogue spoken at the time of shooting a scene - you'd fix those mistakes with extra takes on the spot until the Director's happy with it. Looping is far more likely to be required during post-production if they discover a scene that has poorly recorded dialogue, something they wouldn't determine at the time of shooting (since Voyager was shot on film, not video, so there's no immediate 'instance replay' so to speak to check that it's OK Looping might also be needed if it's a noisy set such as Voyager often encounters on away missions - ion storms and so forth, some scenes may involve practical effects like wind machines that might drown out on-set recorded dialogue, with only an over-head boom mike capturing that audio.

Andrew Murray

Maybe "Y-class" voyager perfected slipstream where "real" voyager did not....?

Andrew Murray

While this was a TV show, understandable about limited budget etc., but convincing animation effects would have been possible since such had already been done in Terminator 2 and The Abyss, a decade before this ep was made. So one would think it'd be possible to do the animated version of the duplicate characters when they degrade into the liquid-metal puddle.

Andrew Murray

On Be'lanna's death, Tom Paris disappears and his alter-ego Nick Locarno surfaces.

Andrew Murray

This is the second message "To Harry Kim" ...."From Harry Kim".......the other was in Timeless.

Andrew Murray

It is strange how something that is effectively intellectual property of Paramount/CBS can't be used across series, a prime example is the character of Nick Locarno couldn't carry over from "the First Duty" (TNG) due to the issue surrounding the character's creation by a particular writer for that episode.

Andrew Murray

The Y-class "silver blood" aliens raises another question - is it / are they indigenous to that one Y-Class planet, or is that silver blood found on all Y-class planets? And one last thing the Demon duplicates, if they were indeed thinking of themselves as the actual voyager, and not realising they are Demon planet entities, how would they go on normal M-class planets for instance on away missions? One can't assume they just stuck to the ship for as long as they were travelling.

Andrew Murray

speaking of lighting from a technical production perspective, in this video Garratt's background image is the Voyager bridge. With all its lighting integrated into the actual set (roof), is there a an actual need for additional studio lighting for the actual photography/filming? Seems a very bright set as it was even from that still photo.

Brandon Kolk
>>86133587

According to imdb The Abyss had a budget of 70 million and T2 had a budget of 102 million, so they had the money to spend to get the really good computer graphics.

Stephanie

I'm sorry but I always thought that trip to Chicago would be a horrible honeymoon!

Leilani Craig

I’d’ve loved to have seen the third part of the trilogy where Real Voyager runs into a society Goo Voyager had already encountered. Like the conmen episode, but without the character assassination and with Voyager not having any way to get an explanation.

Rich Gross

The reason I was saying that everyone, including the “real” crew, the duplicates, and those on Earth would know that the duplicates were duplicates, is that by the time they got home, Star Fleet would have been in communication with both the real crew and the duplicates.

The Real Andrew Kim

Surprised nobody noticed that Janeway referred to Tom Paris as "Lieutenant" during the wedding. That was my first indication something was weird because I was like, "wait, isn't he still an ensign?" and he also still has his 2 pips. And then at the end when the real crew is shown on screen, Tom is an ensign with 1 pip.

Christopher Collins

Did you guys forget to talk about what you remembered about this episode before watching this episode. Usually you cover that before watching this episode.

Christopher Collins

I think that the wedding was my favorite part of this episode. But I hated that the wedding was not longer in this episode. I also hated that the wedding was done on a fake Voyager. I was hoping that when this episode was ending we were going to see the differences on the wedding on the real Voyager. It seems so sad that we had to wait till the 7th season in Drive for these two to get Married on the real Voyager and I hated that we never saw the real Wedding ceremony.

Christopher Collins

I never that about birds that rice and water will kill birds. That is news to me.

Stephanie
>>86205029

If they couldn't actually have another wedding they could have at least had Tom and B'Elanna in wedding clothes in the end scene in the Delta flyer. Seems silly they were on their honeymoon and wearing their uniforms.

Christopher Collins

I be always wondered how did this gue alien make a copy of a Hologram that could turn on and off. Or did it only copy the Hollow emitter.

Christopher Collins

That was cool seeing the different Tom Paris fan club buttons. I was unaware of that fan club until the Delta Flyer’s Podcast started.

Janet Potts
>>86164057

I've visited many times since I live in the Chicago 'burbs. As fun as it can be from a tourist standpoint, it's not someplace I'd consider going for on my honeymoon.

Janet Potts
>>86243809

Just the emitter. Which is why he doesn't melt. He fritzes because it's the emitter that degrades, not the Doctor, himself.

Ms Nike Morgan

I agree with Robbie! Horrible episode except for the very beginning.

James Morrow

I’ve always appreciated this episode as an elseworlds/tragedy tale. Mostly, Star Trek Elseworlds meant that we were going back to the mirror mirror universe; however here, we are taken on a parallel path. No one is deliciously evil-everyone is a close version of the heros we know. Then the slow developing tragedy. Robbie is right about it not mattering, but I think that was part of the question Fuller was asking. Even though we exist, does that existence matter if, in the long run, we all die? I think part of the answer lies in the all the beings this elseworlds crew made contact with and helped before their demise. If they helped others, then maybe part of what Fuller was saying was, they did matter :-). RJM? Thank you for your editing. I love Clarinet Harry :-).

Samantha

I love this ep. A way to explore absolute annihilation.

Kris Hansen

Always an interesting episode, except that they all look like they got hit in the face with melted lime jello.

Stephanie Baker

I like this episode because it starts on a high note (the wedding) and ends in non-existence

Paul Johnston

Also would it not seem reasonable that since the engineering crew close to the warp core melted first, that engineering would be the first place in the ship to degrade also? Seven was working at the engineering console in the last few scenes yet was perfectly intact while 80% of the ship was going... Yes we know it wouldn't fit with the story...

Eric Bennett

I am playing catch-up here obviously. lol. But, I think it makes sense that 7 of 9 was degrading slower. Assuming her nano probes were copied too then you can assume that those nano probes were rebuilding here. As for the halo camera being large, it isn't a standard camera. It is taking 3D holographic images that can be used on the holodeck. Yeah, still large.. but it is doing a lot more than a camera.

Eric Bennett

Of course, going to another Class Y planet wouldn't have necessarily have helped them. Would most likely needed the Class Y planet where the liquid was originally from.

Eric Bennett

I think they should have called the alternate crew “Gooplicates”. Lol

ST Fan CB

This episode was a fun idea but was a total continuity loser. As stated by the boys, how did the goo crew breath normal human air when in the first episode they could not? Also how did they not know they were the goo crew? Did they all lose a collective memory of that fact? Also did they program the computer and all sensor devices to register themselves as human when in fact they were not? How could the doctor not know everyone was not a human but in fact a copy. The reason that Harry was only one in the band in his dress uniform is because he was standing up for Tom in the ceremony. Only the members of the ceremony were in dress uniform. Another continuity error is previously when Voyager lands on a plant, they went to Blue Alert. Here we see them go to Red Alert for a landing on a planet.