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MM26: The Lattice of Coincidence - 80’s Yuppies vs. Punks (Patreon)

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2024-06-26 11:00:12
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2025-08-12 21:26:20
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Will & Hesse are joined by producer Chris to look at two thematically related films: 1984’s Repo Man directed by Alex Cox, and 1985’s After Hours directed by Martin Scorsese. Two slightly surreal comedies both dealing with moving between “square” and “underground” cultures, one set in NYC depicting a yuppie descending into a purgatory populated by downtown artist types, and one set in LA depicting a punk ascending into the legitimate world of legalized car theft. Two hilariously strange and strangely beautiful bangers dripping in Reagan-era satire and anxiety.

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etienne

chris go on chapo

etienne

typo on Scorsese. i request a refund

MCL

Plate o Shrimp

Dame

Going to a double feature of Repo Man and SLC Punk at the local theater on Saturday

postcard archives

I also came to Repo Man through that exact same list

Connor Schoen

Here are some suggestions for future Movie Mindset episodes: S. Craig Zahler & Vince Vaughn: Brawl in Cell Block 99 (2017), Dragged Across Concrete (2018) Zahler is so underrated, and these two movies are some of my favorites from the past decade. He also managed to turn funnyman Vince Vaughn into a serious actor. Something that Gus Van Sant failed to do in his Psycho remake. Seamus Malekafzali is a huge Zahler fan, so having him on this episode would be ideal. Rock Bands go Arthouse: Head (1968), Pink Floyd’s The Wall (1982) Preferable to discuss these with a music aficionado like Todd in the Shadows or someone similar. Video Nasties: I Spit on Your Grave (1978), Cannibal Holocaust (1980) British censorship unintentionally created a canon of grotesque and ultraviolent b-horror that still shocks viewers today. Both of these entries have good intentions but are executed in poor taste. Spit has a strong female character take revenge against her rapists, but the rape scene is really long and feels like it came from a sadistic porno. Cannibal Holocaust is anti-colonialism but is also very racist, much like Joseph Conrad’s Heart of Darkness. Watch these if you want to torture yourselves. Coen Brothers: Fargo (1996), O Brother Where Art Thou (2000) One takes place in the midwest, while the other is in the deep South. These brothers have a uniquely American aesthetic that is seen throughout their oeuvre. I do enjoy their work, but I’m suggesting this as an excuse to have Alex Nichols on an episode of Movie Mindset. He mentioned O Brother as his favorite movie during a Chapo FYM stream. Documentaries: Burden of Dreams (1982), Crumb (1994) You guys haven’t talked about any documentaries yet, so I’m putting this here. Both of these films deal with the creative process behind art. The first is about the troubled production behind Fitzcarraldo, while the other is about a neurotic and possibly Autistic comic artist.

Matt James Rich

Was just looking at Griffin Dunne's wikipedia page earlier this week.

No

Let's go get sushi and not pay

Declan Kennedy

petition to make the word "producer" capitalised on references to Chris, i.e. Producer Chris like Tyler the Creator or Cedric the Entertainer

John S

Possibly my two favorite movies in the same episode, this is going to be great.

Drew McGill

American movie please lol

Drew McGill

The ending of “After Hours” is literally the funniest thing I’ve ever seen in my entire life. Incredible.

Whucko Jaang

First one where I've seen both prior to listening!

Michael S. Judge

I gotta invert what Chris said and emphasize: as a punk kid living in middle-of-nowhere shitholes, every scene and person in the first half of REPO MAN has somehow occurred in my life.

Michael S. Judge

(there's also a fair amount of literal Kafka in AFTER HOURS – the whole episode with the doorman not letting Paul into the punk club is an adaptation of Kafka's story "Before the Law")

M.R. Alchemist

My anxiety dreams are all transportation related; I don't know where I'm going but I know I'm late.

Agent Grange

The pen scene in After Hours always struck me as a sort of divine intervention or failed deus ex machina. It was trying to physically prevent this interaction that sets up the whole movie to save Paul from it but rather than taking something so simple as a sign he presses on ignoring all the warning signs. And he's made to suffer for that. How's that for Catholic guilt?

Michael S. Judge

I'm halfway thru, so maybe you'll get to this, but: am I hallucinating, or is the REPO MAN conversation about John Wayne lifted word-for-word from MIDNIGHT COWBOY?

krumping4

auteur theory of the presidency

Kai

Haven't even listened yet but these are dream movie mindset inclusions

Josh F.

I love you Movie Mindset! ❤️❤️❤️ You partially inspired me to take a screenwriting class at my local theater. It has been amazing.

Tim O'

An American Werewolf on Chapo

Michael S. Judge

I think that's why they all say "THE HELL HE WAS!" in unison

Talcum Gladwell

We were channel surfing one day in 2004 and my dad saw ‘Repo Man’ was coming on soon and said to me “You’re a weird kid, you’ll like this a lot.” Twenty years later, ‘There Will Be Blood’ is the only movie I hold in as high personal regard as ‘Repo Man’

Tvvvv

I’ve been in love with Rosanna Arquette for years now. My vote for hottest woman in film easily. The short film that Martin Scorsese did for New York Stories is the only good short in that collection and is probably my favorite of his movies.

Colto

I watched After Hours for the first time as a Double Feature with Babe: Pig in the City. Would recommend

Dustin Nelson

Repo Man was pretty confusing but I don't think I was ready for it yet

chapotraphouse

the bible for going to blockbuster on friday night after school

chapotraphouse

All good suggestions. HEAD is another all time favorite, have been telling Will he should see that for a while. I might pair it with Five Easy Pieces to do a Nicholson/Rafelson double feature.

Claire Simon

I grew up in LA county and Repo Man captures the southland vibe better than any other movie I’ve ever seen

Mfusion

Love that a new batch of people may be watching Repo Man this week. I've seen it at least 40 times.

Hardcore Virgin

When Bud first propositions Otto, Otto is literally “kicking a can” down the road…which is a nice little something. Also, I like it when lite comes back to the shop and sees the puddle of beer Otto had just poured out he says, “what, did someone piss on the floor again”

Hardcore Virgin

I agree. One of the greatest American movies of all time. It can’t be separated from the country. Film came out in 1999 and I used to fear that I was like mark and sort of viewed him as a ridiculous guy. It wasn’t until I was in my late 30s that I realized he’s a true artist. I could go on and on about it.

plainwrap

Shout out to the 80's TV version of Repo Man that replaced all of the curse words with funny soundalikes like 'Flip You', and 'Melonfarmer'. The Criterion BluRay has the whole thing as one of the special features.

Merrick

Hell yeah two movies I’ve actually seen 😎

Shiv

Chris, you’re so right about Desperately Seeking Susan! One of my first pandemic rewatches

Karl Hungus

Awesome finale to a great season. I found After Hours after listening to Joe Frank on my college radio station and hearing how the script was adapted from one of his shows

Patrick Banks

Somehow the plane I’m on just can’t seem to take off all the way and gets stuck in city traffic

Jeff-

great show. I happened to notice as the credits were scrolling by that 'Additional Blond Agent' was played by Jimmy Buffet. IMDB confirms it's the man himself. One of many crazy music cameos I guess

MKatieUltra

After Hours is free on Tubi, but going away in five days.

Gothnik

I loved how ottos parents were acid fried hippies, because my boomer hippie parents loved this movie and my mom would always quote a line from ottos mom "put it on a plate son, you'll enjoy it more."

jay alan

Bicycles for the win 💫

Savannakhet

Damn, Three Businessmen is a deep cut. I think that was Channel 4 TV film in the 1990s.

b2b saas purveyor

desperately seeking susan! featuring none other than richard hell

THEKILLERWHALE

A few points on After Hours: 1. You guys really undersell how perfect the "I'll probably get blamed for that" line reading is. The whole movie crescendos with it. 2. Griffin Dunne is such a live wire in the movie and reacts physically so well to all of his humiliations. It is like he is a silent movie actor or something. 3. I do not think he is that big of an asshole. It is very easy to lose patience with weirdos and eccentrics when you get roped into their world and his reactions are humanizing and makes him a true everyman. 4. John Heard has such a menacing masculine energy in this film even though he is one of the few normal and even benevolent characters. It captures so well that feeling in your early twenties when you hit on a girl and it turns out she has a much more adult boyfriend and he's actually pretty cool but you feel like a comparative lightweight. And he never really played a character like that again. He was great in this. 5. And dumb internet alert but can we just posit that this film and Home Alone take place in the same universe where Catherine O'Hara and John Heard meet in SoHo, move to the suburbs, get married and start a family? 6. Let's give Linda Fiorentino a short haircut and have her strut around in lingerie all film. And somehow I do not even think it is a top-10 sexy movie performance for her. Maybe it is just me.

Jaime Christley

“I’ll probably get blamed for that.” - that’s what Lee Harvey Oswald said when he saw JFK’s head explode

Jaime Christley

The elliptical resolution of Paul’s journey, being deposited in front of his office building, was suggested by Michael Powell (who was married to Thelma Schoonmaker).

Tvvvv

Eyes Wide Shut is like what if Paul tried to ascend to New York high life rather than descend to the low lifes. The #1 rule still applies: don’t smoke pot with women, they only smoke that shit that makes you paranoid and anxious.

Jaime Christley

JustWatch lists a site called SpamFlix as offering THREE BUSINESSMEN for a cheap rental. It’s a good film - very low key compared to Cox’s better known movies but still has a bit of mischief about it, and it builds to the greatest dad joke in cinema history. That said, “Spam Flix”? Proceed with caution?? https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/three-businessmen

Jaime Christley

yeah this website is dogshit and it's not clear how you rent the film or even if you can. sorry fam

Here, Try This

Can we all agree that Marcy’s husband was actually David Lynch? The singular obsession with “The Wizard of Oz” tracks and “Surrender Dorothy” in David Lynch voice would be incredible

The Children of Jack Acid

Notice how Terri Garr in After Hours is listening to the Monkees? And she was IN the movie HEAD! With the Monkees!

Jaime Christley

If anyone would like a discreetly yet totally above board and absolutely legal file of THREE BUSINESSMEN or (a Cox film not mentioned yet highly recommended) HIGHWAY PATROLMAN, you can find me on Bluesky as Rohmersimpson. Just DM me on there and we'll sort it out. Federal agents and snitches are also welcome. All are welcome in the bosom of cinema, even the pigs and the squares.

JLV90

Great season. Hats off to everyone involved ✌️

The Children of Jack Acid

Repo Man started a conversation about "generic" labeling that I have not yet found the source of. So... did Public Image Limited steal their idea for an album called "Album" with generic packaging from Repo Man, and all the generic cans and products that show up in that movie? The PiL album "Album" came out only a year after Repo Man did, so the timing would be right. Yet then again, the L.A. punk band Flipper came out with a similarly themed album title with similar (in its own way) generic labeling in 1982 with "Album" AKA "Generic Flipper." The concept is pretty similar, so... maybe Repo Man copied the idea from them? Or maybe PiL skipped Repo Man entirely and THEY stole from Flipper?

Christian Johnson

Yeah these are the only 📽📽 I've seen from this season

The Children of Jack Acid

Goddam it yer making me sad remembering how I USED to live downtown in the toy district, next to the L.A. River. My actual warehouse loft was also the exterior of Rolling Stone Magazine from "Almost Famous" and had also been where Weird Al got run over by a boulder in "UHF". Now it's a fancy restaurant. Now I'm stuck in Highland Park fighting landlords all day.

Tim O'

Movie Mindshrek has potential

Henry

i saw on cox’s blog that he’s coming on the show soon? if that ends up happening it would be very cool

David Lee

Repo Man is the prequel to Falling Down?

Trout Mask Original

Yes! Came here to point this out. Figures MSJ would beat ne to the punch, but I'll just pedantically add that "Before the Law" shows up as a parable within The Trial, told to Josef K by a priest. And yeah, that whole exchange, from the bouncer telling Paul that he can come in "but not now" through the bouncer's response to Paul's attempted bribe--that he'd take the money "only so that you do not feel you've left anything untried"--is virtually verbatim from the exchange with the man guarding the open door to the law.

Michael S. Judge

The end of that story is the best moment in the entirety of Kafka

Trout Mask Original

An early-ish (circa 2017 or 18?) Chapo episode covered the Zahler canon. It was a banger, and revisiting one or more of those films on MM would be great. .

Chris T

Is Chris not aware that Criterion has put out Walker and it’s very easy to get?

Bryan Jennings

This really made me want an episode that is just the boys talking about various insane distances they've walked late at night in NYC and the stories that led to them doing so.

Savannakhet

Yeah! I rewatched it during the pandemic.

MCL

After Hours is the best example of how NYC is actually Hell and everyone there is either a demon or being tortured by demons

Isaac Suárez

Y’all rock. So many cool movies to check out, and this may be my favorite episode. In bleak times this series is a welcome source of (semi)wholesome content. Keep it up!

Trout Mask Original

"... This door is only for you. Now I will close it." Goddamit, Franz!

Brent

Rewatched Repo Man before listening, then encountered an IRL repo man same day. The coincidence is freaking me out like friggin plate of shrimp.

glenn mohre

I've always read the J Frank Parnell character as an allusion to Jack Parsons.

Dirch Frode

Another outstanding season of MM, I just love this shit. Please keep these coming and can we perhaps look into some sort of Felix-led Gamer Grindset…?

Michael Miller

During the After Hours trailer at 8:56 the song Last Train to Clarksville by the Monkeys is playing. Mike Nesmith was the singer-guitarist for the Monkeys. He was also the executive producer of Repo Man. It’s all connected!!

Valerie

"...if you're a Cox sucker." Thank you, Hesse. No one laughed but I heard that and appreciated it lol

justdave

It's the two spectrums of young adulthood- college vs no college

BungoChubbins

I listened to this episode in a DMV and the guy next to me killed himself